Probably a Art Chat - art-critique-advice

Booooo just tell me my shit look busted

Mom says nice balls

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how do I even draw if I don't know how to draw pensivepoke

Null the Ludroth

how do I even draw if I don't know how to draw pensivepoke

You take a leap of faith

Phantasmagoria𓅓

You take a leap of faith

Null the Ludroth

how do I even draw if I don't know how to draw pensivepoke

When a bara daddy pencil and a big mommy milky paper love each other very much...

Pure

When a bara daddy pencil and a big mommy milky paper love each other very much...

fuck your eeby deeby bitch ass

6:25 AM

OMG I THOUGHT YOU VORED ME

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I'm right tho

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And I should say it

Rhodesy

fuck your eeby deeby bitch ass

Too much critique for this baby...

Hey, so question, how would one draw gift boxes without them looking too blocky and smooth?

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Whenever I try to draw them, the vertical edges look way too sharp

It’s kind of a general technique you have to work out with drawing corners and such when working with geometric shapes and forms

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I’ll elaborate

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If you look closely at this doodle I did about a week ago, all of the boxes mf devices hooked up to this little freak are squares and rectangles but the edges are more impressionistic and the corners are rounded

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Edges can be defined by these slight impressionistic strokes

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Hope that helps :3

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Should I redo the line work on this drawing?

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Part of me is like the line thickness is off

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I need some thoughts

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Also can I have some good recommendation on lining brushes and materials

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Or I mean pens

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Hmmmm I am testing RN (edited)

Phantasmagoria𓅓

Hope that helps :3

A decent bit, aye! Thanks!

7:19 PM

New shading style

Woah! I like

Holy Fuckkk that looks good

5:56 AM

Any recommendation on changes

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?

5:57 AM

With the shading soo far?

💾//:Winded💚

Any recommendation on changes

Creases and crevices probably should not be lit like they are, since light would bounce out of them. For example, under the collar, under the chin, between the fingers, in the armpits etc. Ambient occlusion and all that.

Mink of the End

Creases and crevices probably should not be lit like they are, since light would bounce out of them. For example, under the collar, under the chin, between the fingers, in the armpits etc. Ambient occlusion and all that.

Thank U for the advice!

What's wrong with my scolipede??? I can't quite get it right... (CW: Nudity, bug)

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Atrophene

What's wrong with my scolipede??? I can't quite get it right... (CW: Nudity, bug)

Needs a bigger butt.

Proportions are a bit off?

Arthro

Needs a bigger butt.

Thank you guys...,, like this???

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Atrophene

Thank you guys...,, like this???

Bigger

Atrophene

Thank you guys...,, like this???

I remember them looking more like this? Hope this helps

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Thank you very helpful actually

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Soapy Bubbles

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cumming

Soapy Bubbles

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very smoll

Soapy Bubbles

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Pure

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THIS IS FUCKN GOOD

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holy shit now that you’re drawing more you’re improving fast as hell

Phantasmagoria𓅓

holy shit now that you’re drawing more you’re improving fast as hell

I am trying! Got a lot of support after all. :3

pure is going to outdraw us all, he is so scool

annoy

pure is going to outdraw us all, he is so scool

How will this affect the economy...

Pure

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i think the eyes are facing a different direction than the snout is.

6:40 PM

can rotate the eyes down on the right side, and draw the right side eye thinner than the left eye because its on the far side of the face wrapping around the head

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hope this kinda shows what i mean

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so basically that image of the wolf

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i think Pure is doing big steps in his art awa

annoy

so basically that image of the wolf

a bit like that, but with the top half of the head being different than the bottom half

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6:48 PM

i think it's quite common to not understand the nose bridge yet. That part of the human face is honestly the hardest to get right

Pure

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Small detail, but the eyes are also on a flat perspective while the head is at an angle

7:17 PM

A good way to fix that is while doing your structure, have a horizontal curved line across the circle structure of the head of where you want your eyesight to be, and draw your eyes along that line

taking this advice for my own abhorrent work

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7:21 PM

Shitty doodle in Instagram stories but it gets the point across

7:22 PM

Think of the vertical guideline on the circle as where you want the tip of the snout pointing, and the horizontal being where you want the eyes to sit

can use two vertical lines to get the same spacing between the two eyes.

Yes, I usually just eyeball spacing but if you don't have that ability, two vertical lines really help

7:26 PM

A common practice is to just put an third, same size eye in the middle and that's usually appropriate spacing

7:27 PM

The joy of digital art is you can move stuff around until it feels right too, no need to erase

Trite

Small detail, but the eyes are also on a flat perspective while the head is at an angle

Yeah, we were talking about this in call a tad! Gonna try it a bit more tonight. <:

annoy

i think Pure is doing big steps in his art awa

Flatterer!

ChrisMono

hope this kinda shows what i mean

Also! Your style is always so cute

Noice

ok SO.,,the connection point where the flesh sags between the gut and pectoral here is

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9:47 PM

REALLY bothering me

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9:51 PM

how i would've done it

ACTUALLYGOODTY

annoy

pure is going to outdraw us all, he is so scool

TRUEE

annoy

i think it's quite common to not understand the nose bridge yet. That part of the human face is honestly the hardest to get right

Hmmm, surprisingly I actually enjoy drawing that the most. What pisses me off is the arms. (edited)

3:44 PM

Like, can feel like Im drawing a puppet on strings

It's fun when you get it haha. For me it's pain, which means i just need to study it. Arms are fun for me tho :)

if im using my entire arm to draw the line, as in pulling the pen torwards me with my arm, the line wont always be parallel because its pulling the line towards me

5:22 PM

Im wondering if I have a flawed perception of how im supposed to create a straight line or if theres a way to skill issue it

5:22 PM

I could mitigate it by pretending the art pad was smaller and keeping to the "Sweet spot" where my shoulder is lined up with the tablet but dont know if thats what Im supposed to do

Foth

Im wondering if I have a flawed perception of how im supposed to create a straight line or if theres a way to skill issue it

I think that you need muscle memory to do precise lines like that. So maybe just practice

6:16 PM

i am not good at it either, but i do have a smaller tablet so maybe that helps me

6:17 PM

usually if i need to make straight lines for something i'll use a linear tool or do it at an angle that makes it easier for me

annoy

I think that you need muscle memory to do precise lines like that. So maybe just practice

I only noticed because Im following a program and do pen control practice every day

6:34 PM

this type of thing

6:34 PM

realized there was a drag

Foth

I only noticed because Im following a program and do pen control practice every day

yup, straight lines will come with time as you get muscle memory for it

am I supposed to be using my whole arm/shoulder?

Foth

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Just seeing the bottom lines makes me think of Gustavo Dore pictures... So cool

Foth

am I supposed to be using my whole arm/shoulder?

I end up using my whole arm yeah

I was gifted a tablet that is fairly big

Yeah that can make it harder for sure, but also means you do need to use your whole arm. Also, try giving your arm some speed, that makes the line less wobbly

6:37 PM

You'll sort of mentally connect the dots and your arm will quickly connect them with a line

cw touch of a woman right now im trying to be able to place the line of action on bodies n all the joints n stuff then i need to be able to make cylinders for the arms/legs instead of just lines to be able to express perspective

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you can try doing something like this i guess for that

Foth

cw touch of a woman right now im trying to be able to place the line of action on bodies n all the joints n stuff then i need to be able to make cylinders for the arms/legs instead of just lines to be able to express perspective

I am not someone who is good at basic shapes, but i know there's one video i saw on basic shapes that defines a plan of what to do

I drew this to try and practice with cylinders (based on a ref of a bunch cylinders not from memory)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T_-DiAzYBc

Proko

6 Steps to Draw Anything

6:40 PM

this apparently

Im learning art through a "school" program, not how most learn- but in theory its supposed to teach the right fundamentals when ye need em

It definitely makes you practice stuff that's for sure

the program is supposed to teach fundamentals- I dont care for the style of the person drawing it nor do I care for humans but

6:41 PM

its the fundamentals that it intends to teach not the dudes art style

6:41 PM

ive already learned a lot about basic human anatomy I wouldnt otherwise know

yeah, any style is made out of foundational knowledge everyone needs to have in some way

so far, Ive been able to put a lot more time into study atleast

6:43 PM

and it feels like I have way more direction, at the very least

a plan helps yeah

ty for the help btw

it wasn't help really

might not like drawing humans

12:29 AM

but anthros are based on humans

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12:29 AM

so its mostly useful

Anybody working in CSP have some brushes or brush packs they really like using? I need to branch out and actually try doing stuff with different textures etc

Rhodesy

Anybody working in CSP have some brushes or brush packs they really like using? I need to branch out and actually try doing stuff with different textures etc

Do you have anything in specific you're looking for, or just whatever? I have a bunch of texture brushes and wacky ones I could put up somewhere

That works:):):):) I could probably use some better blending brushes too tho? Or perhaps I just need to figure out how exactly to USE the blending brushes?

I'll put some fun ones together, as well as the watercolour brush I use that can double as a blendy brush~ - I think I have a couple of washy blend brushes somewhere too to throw in Personally, I don't like the blur/blend brush clip has

Just went through and chucked in some mix of funny and fun brushes, there's sketching/pencils, blur tools, some textured brushes, etc etc, hope you find something in there useful :>

Wacky_and_some_cool_brushes_and_shit.zip

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SO. CW AV BUT, I'm curious where I could have gone better here. First-well, second time actually putting effort into shading.

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2:21 AM

Did tinker with the shading a tad BUT, yeee.

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Magnus

Did tinker with the shading a tad BUT, yeee.

What's the intent behind the light? The way it looks is that there's a small spotlight to the bottom-left and it's outdoors (because there's no reflected light) at night. But that doesn't match with the pretty bright backdrop.

Mink of the End

What's the intent behind the light? The way it looks is that there's a small spotlight to the bottom-left and it's outdoors (because there's no reflected light) at night. But that doesn't match with the pretty bright backdrop.

The bright teal outline or the background? Added the outline cause I thought it'd look cool and well, Trite suggested it

The backdrop

The imaginery light souce was intended to be from like-the top left.

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also sorry if I'm a tad slow, brain is in 4 AM mode

9:54 AM

OH-the background, it was a flat color intended to compliment the selections of colors-

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Didn't want it to be a PNG so I thought it'd also look nice.

It's just a mismatch between the brightness, the shading makes it look like a dark scene, but the backdrop is really bright.

Mm-so I should have used a darker shade of blue instead, ye?

Well, sonething darker anyway.

10:05 AM

If the light is at the top-left, the head should probably be overall lighter and the belly should not be lit from below. The ground and tail should be reflecting some light, adding a bit of lighting on the back, butt etc. It kinda looks like it's shaded with gray, which is not usually a good idea because standard monitor color space only has 256 grays to work with, which isn't enough and leads to banding. Using a coarse brush like this makes it less of an issue though. Also, I'd suggest using some gradients to help with light direction and such. Overlay and Soft Light are blend modes that are helpful in that regard. Putting a gradient into the backdrop also helps.

Oo-tyty

10:53 AM

ALSO-mm. Was unsure how to go about the head since the visor is naturally dark-unless I shade it with some reflective colors-

Magnus

SO. CW AV BUT, I'm curious where I could have gone better here. First-well, second time actually putting effort into shading.

the composition has a lot of empty space on the left, which i think could have been filled by an exaggerated belly. The body itself feels like it's falling forward, the center of gravity is not supported correctly by feet.

Magnus

ALSO-mm. Was unsure how to go about the head since the visor is naturally dark-unless I shade it with some reflective colors-

You can take the background colour and use that to tint the visor a bit.

annoy

the composition has a lot of empty space on the left, which i think could have been filled by an exaggerated belly. The body itself feels like it's falling forward, the center of gravity is not supported correctly by feet.

My intention was to have him leadning forwards a bit with a head peaking over his shoulder BUT-I see it. I'm guessing I could fix this by making him more upright and well-making the gut more "active"

annoy

You can take the background colour and use that to tint the visor a bit.

And THANKyou-noted

Magnus

My intention was to have him leadning forwards a bit with a head peaking over his shoulder BUT-I see it. I'm guessing I could fix this by making him more upright and well-making the gut more "active"

could rotate the picture a bit for an easy fix

Thank yooou!

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ALSO

2:24 PM

SOMETHING FEELS OFF HERE-I THINK. The head is too large?

Magnus

SOMETHING FEELS OFF HERE-I THINK. The head is too large?

Arms are too small

Treehouse Animations

Arms are too small

appreciated!

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scaling the head down and the arms/hands up

yeye! aaa, tyty

ANY ADVICE FOR LIKE-stoat faces/muzzles

10:50 PM

their shape is like, hard

study their skulls for anatomy

Magnus

ANY ADVICE FOR LIKE-stoat faces/muzzles

look at actual stoats or find art of stoat faces (art by someone is like already "digested" data. The artist already figured the simplifications out)

annoy

look at actual stoats or find art of stoat faces (art by someone is like already "digested" data. The artist already figured the simplifications out)

Annoy making a "vore" reference

not the green thing

Annoy making a "vore" reference

no, i really think that word works to explain it

6:48 PM

ingests your data

Their heads are triangles

Like sergal

Let's not go that far.

are they wedges or cones?

Cones.

8:56 PM

The body is a tube and the head is a cone.

Yeye-went ahead and reduced their head down to shapes

10:56 PM

NOW.. i need to learn a decent method for internals

Magnus

SOMETHING FEELS OFF HERE-I THINK. The head is too large?

It's definitely the arms. I advice drawing them on a separate vector layer and try and scale them up and down until they look more to your liking.

ChrisMono

scaling the head down and the arms/hands up

This is exactly what I mean btw, scale things up and down like modeling clay during the sketching process.

Magnus

ANY ADVICE FOR LIKE-stoat faces/muzzles

Study the shape of the snout, breaking them down into their most basic shapes; like straight lines, convex curves or convave ones. There is a formula I have been using which has been handy. (edited)

5:46 AM

I have question on what I should change about the shading?

Looks amazing Winded!

💾//:Winded💚

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If I had to pick one thing, I would darken the inside of the ears (assuming they are not meant to be tubes) It's really very good overall

trying different style of sketching winded

7:48 AM

I wanna get more kemono style

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8:04 AM

I am dumbs a bit though

VORE that ive been tinkering with. just want some opinions.

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Was wondering how to deal with artblock? Ive been into a pretty big one, I take like 20 minutes trying to draw a circle to start arting and its pain x.x

If you're anything like me, watch someone else draw and get angry enough to brute force it

Ive been wondering. Is my approach to line thickness working or is it kinda of inconsistent?

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1:11 AM

Maybe as long as Im trying to apply the line thickness in reasonable areas it should be alright.

soul530

Was wondering how to deal with artblock? Ive been into a pretty big one, I take like 20 minutes trying to draw a circle to start arting and its pain x.x

Mine it's either watching people have fun arting like RubberRoss when they do gartic stuff/Oogling at art I get fixated at looking, or one I usually do is draw friends as a surprise cuz I like getting their reactions and it gets me practice, also it's nice to spoil friends who deserve it

Straw Bat

Maybe as long as Im trying to apply the line thickness in reasonable areas it should be alright.

It's a mix of what looks appealing to you and if it makes it look relatively convincing to the audience, like some areas having thicker lines to emphasize their depth hierarchy like thicker lines depicting that's where they're pushing against the most and thinner lines be parts where they're like pretty deep in the get beneath the layer of stomach they're protruding against. Other times line-weighting is just an aesthetic pursuit on the artist's part

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3:40 PM

It's a balancing act to get used to but it's engaging when you start to see progress

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Thanks, thats a good way of putting it.

8:47 PM

Ill take notes to refer to (edited)

Kah/Cal

It's a balancing act to get used to but it's engaging when you start to see progress

Omg is the burp beam

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Straw Bat

Maybe as long as Im trying to apply the line thickness in reasonable areas it should be alright.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823740202286972949/1332171819989598348/Snapinst.app_video_AQMeIqvf-uurkO4pYrK8JAF2Yl6O96H6l-Wg-s8ItUGXA6wHS1rRD_-3fqOwl_65g8adcUZHH3KZIhnANAuCDpyXu0Mm9cZDy9wfCYs.mp4?ex=6794f1f0&is=6793a070&hm=6a959209e8e00f7cdebb5613584c8087e4d412c13f16acbc04e7d07412daed7c&

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korrie.

Omg is the burp beam

Hahahahhahah

ChrisMono

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Saved! This is good stuff!

Trying to nail this sort of angle/perspective and well, even when breaking it down into some shapes, it's uh. pretty difficult. any tips?

1:13 AM

Maybe it's the perspective? Dunno.

Zell and I are trying to find a good 3D printed base for fursuit eyes that aren't too cartoony but still feel Pure. Do these look good? Will obviously be printed white.

Nah let him have jaundice

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Characters with jaundice eyes are the best... completely unbiased I think they look good! A little bit cartoony, but not extremely so - but I think cartoony would be a difficult quality to avoid entirely with fursuit eyes...

Honestly, realistic heads with super cartoony eyes look really cool anyway

7:42 PM

Japanese fursuits for example

I like how it turned out. Worst case, customized eyesbrows and lids can carry

8:50 PM

Messed with it just enough.

Gross

10:23 PM

That's my valid critique

10:24 PM

It's valid to say something like "you have gross hands" and "I don't like your skin color" when specifically talking to Pure because Pure's skin color changes with the season. He can say the N word in the summer, it's very strange.

Pure becoming real

not the green thing

It's valid to say something like "you have gross hands" and "I don't like your skin color" when specifically talking to Pure because Pure's skin color changes with the season. He can say the N word in the summer, it's very strange.

You joke but my Mexican side shows during the summer. I tan well. (edited)

not the green thing

It's valid to say something like "you have gross hands" and "I don't like your skin color" when specifically talking to Pure because Pure's skin color changes with the season. He can say the N word in the summer, it's very strange.

Pure I need you to say the N word to me in call I promise with very big eyes that I’m not clipping the call I can be trusted!!

Pure

You joke but my Mexican side shows during the summer. I tan well. (edited)

I’ve seen proof

Rhodesy

Pure I need you to say the N word to me in call I promise with very big eyes that I’m not clipping the call I can be trusted!!

I am ignoring this officially

3:00 AM

Zell has made this look so like... Shape!!!

3:00 AM

Shoulda put this is misc oops I will commit to this mistake.

be sure to continually check to make sure it fits your head, and check for symmetry

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ChrisMono

be sure to continually check to make sure it fits your head, and check for symmetry

Got it!!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EUjosH9zutmS0eJtDfYlqAimuqtnl5cQRsRPg92aLRI/edit?usp=sharing

RR Homebrew Races

An introduction to the species of: The Roaring Realms Being a land of ley and past ruin, these realms hold creatures unlike ones you may know. Here are a selection of the more unique species you may play as in The Roaring Realms! You’re free to select any as your form. While I haven’t written...

6:46 AM

not really art, but some writing stuffs. trying to make some bios for my custom races I plan to implement into an upcoming campaign

6:46 AM

some I think I really nailed, like the badgerlings and some sections of the embracer kobolds

6:47 AM

i'm iffy on a lot of other stuff though, not basically just wanting to make sure every option is equally enticing to pick

what system is this for?

5e, with some changes / additions (weapon attachments and different way of obtaining magical abilities)

6:51 AM

i've ran a couple oneshots before but this would be my first for real campaign i'm running, hopefully long-ish term

hmms... ok, personally, if i was a player, i'd want the races formatted like the official things so it looks familiar, and i'd like more defined features so you know what you're getting if you choose the race. if i was a player, i'd rather the GM tell me "we need to tweak this" once or twice than wonder "what does this feature mean" for the entire campaign

i didn't think to format it like the official races actually

7:05 AM

could be a good idea

7:05 AM

i really should like write down the specific abilities and whatnot, but i'm only having about 3 players so it'd feel bad to waste a lot of time writing that all out when only half of it's getting used

7:05 AM

(2 at this rate, the badglings seem to be popular amongst them rn lol)

ah. then that makes sense. as a lore doc for just "these are the people of this world" you definitely don't need to flesh out all the abilities n the like if players aren't gonna use em. but i would write up the races that players are going to play

i'll get right to that then, tyvm. I have a pretty good idea for what their like main ability will be

7:10 AM

the badglings that is

7:11 AM

and since I'm not releasing this out to a broader audience I don't need to worry about like balancing or anything that much. so the rules on this will be pretty lax: once per long rest, make a fantastical feat of strength. fell a tree across a chasm, hurl a minecart of dynamite at the dragon, or something similar. however, this only recharges if you long rest after a good ass feast

7:12 AM

if wotc wanted to release something like this it'd probably be kind of a nightmare to specify and clarify the exact rulings on it but i'm not too stressed about that. or maybe i should be?

imo, homebrew is always a mess. it's always tailored to your group, and very rarely will people be able to pick up even the best homebrew and just drop it in their game without modification

that's a really good point.. I suppose anything can work out as long as I'm tweaking it according to their feedback and stuff

7:20 AM

then ironically I guess the part I should be more worried about is presenting the races to them and getting them properly excited for what they entail

7:21 AM

I'm trying to add a good gameplay hook to each race too, like lopefolk coming with a special magical focus (and also not needing to attune themselves to the leyline before being able to cast spells)

7:21 AM

badglings making fantastic feats of strength, plague cats bending fate with their magical fleas, etc. and I'm realizing now that reformed kobolds don't really have a gameplay hook yet lol, what would a good one be? (edited)

i also warn you to consider how classes interact with your racial features, cause a barbarian doesn't seem like they can benefit much from free spell preparation or a spell focus, but they can benefit from just having access to free spells or a breath attack like what other races offer (edited)

yeah huh. i guess some of these races are pretty class specific

7:23 AM

lopefolk and rune owl are magic coded, embracer kobolds and badglings are martial coded

7:23 AM

and plague cats and reformed kobolds are kinda properly adaptive to any class

a wizard can still benefit from feats of strength

lol that'd be a very funny character

you can still have magic coded races, just make their abilities work with not magic classes

noted. what do you think about locking races out of certain classes?

7:26 AM

i don't really like the sound of doing that, but i just don't think many badglings even bother with magic because of their kind's fear of the leyline

7:27 AM

there could also be an outlier badgling who had a dream about magic blessing her and she's one of the few badglings that doesn't mind magic

7:27 AM

and if a player wanted to make that their character i thiiink i'd be okay with it. i dunno how to feel about that

7:29 AM

i'm mostly just yappin now tho, ty for the advice!!

i think class-locked races only really work if they're setting dependent, but, personally, i think races should be able to work with any class, just in case you want to run niche edge-cases of people defying tradition n whatnot

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6:50 PM

Any opinons on sketch?

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its GAY

7:13 PM

I think it looks nice though (uneducated opinion)

goat winded

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This is insanely good??

AA-SO. I'm trying to draw something from like-the back of the head. I've been using some photo references and something still feels a bit off

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12:45 PM

I assume youve looked at this

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Unraveled Pure

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oh nooo

9:24 PM

i probably wouldn't buy fur from a hobby store

9:25 PM

since it makes up like 90% of your fursuit

9:26 PM

i would buy from like Big Z fabrics or howl fabrics

9:29 PM

you can get all the other little fabric stuff you need though for like the teeth or pads or nose or tongue, accessories, etc

ChrisMono

i would buy from like Big Z fabrics or howl fabrics

I bought some of that for like, fluffier parts and the red hair.

9:54 PM

Howl Fabrics.

9:57 PM

Should be fine for like, the thinner parts of the head I think?

9:57 PM

Paws and stuff.

9:57 PM

I think??? No idea

usually that hobby store stuff has terrible pilling and sheds and can bald easily

10:01 PM

well all fur fabric sheds, but the amount depends

ChrisMono

usually that hobby store stuff has terrible pilling and sheds and can bald easily

Fair, I will talk to Zell about it. (edited)

I think we will be fine for this like, starter suit. Replace things with higher end stuff as we go on.

10:16 PM

Maybe. (edited)

8:59 AM

Any opinions?

9:03 AM

I did this other one also

really goood! <3

I need some advice on coloring and shading or ways for me to improvee with it

I don't do coloring /painting or shading a wholee lot

Nice balls!

💾//:Winded💚

I need some advice on coloring and shading or ways for me to improvee with it

Random pile of things and examples.

Colored lighting and shadows generally look better. You got something relatively desaturated here.
The shading looks a bit "insecure", it kinda just hugs around the edges. It may help to put everything in shadow and then erase the parts that are in light to get over that. If you want to go for a cel shading kinda style, you can have multiple "steps" of shading so that you don't end up putting too much in darkness (although in my opinion cel-shading is way harder and requires much more precision than soft shading, so I wouldn't go for it.)
An Overlay layer helps add depth and color to light and shadows, compare the "overlay on" and "overlay off" variants. The "overlay only" shows what's on that layer in Normal mode, it's just some blotches for broad lighting.
Specular highlights (marked in blue) and Fresnel (marked in red) look good and help to add shape. Especially round things look more round when they got a Fresnel edge than if they just end at the darkest point.
Learning painting really helps, a lot of it applies to character shading and it makes doing backgrounds a lot faster than doing them with lines.
Learning what blend modes also helps, although Multiply for shading and Screen for lighting get you most of the way there. Although depending on how complex the patters are and how firm you are with painting, just doing it on a Normal layer may end up being easier.

Mink of the End

Random pile of things and examples.

Colored lighting and shadows generally look better. You got something relatively desaturated here.
The shading looks a bit "insecure", it kinda just hugs around the edges. It may help to put everything in shadow and then erase the parts that are in light to get over that. If you want to go for a cel shading kinda style, you can have multiple "steps" of shading so that you don't end up putting too much in darkness (although in my opinion cel-shading is way harder and requires much more precision than soft shading, so I wouldn't go for it.)
An Overlay layer helps add depth and color to light and shadows, compare the "overlay on" and "overlay off" variants. The "overlay only" shows what's on that layer in Normal mode, it's just some blotches for broad lighting.
Specular highlights (marked in blue) and Fresnel (marked in red) look good and help to add shape. Especially round things look more round when they got a Fresnel edge than if they just end at the darkest point.
Learning painting really helps, a lot of it applies to character shading and it makes doing backgrounds a lot faster than doing them with lines.
Learning what blend modes also helps, although Multiply for shading and Screen for lighting get you most of the way there. Although depending on how complex the patters are and how firm you are with painting, just doing it on a Normal layer may end up being easier.

Thank you for telling me!!

not the green thing pinned a message to this channel. 3/16/2025 7:12 AM

💾//:Winded💚

I don't do coloring /painting or shading a wholee lot

Not sure if you care to do this, a lot of furry art doesn't do these. But you can figure out where the light comes from and separate the body to have a light/dark family. It helps me with keeping shadow parts dark.

EVEN with references-nailing that sorta curled up pose for internal stuff is agony.

2:28 PM

Like-I made the body too bulky so I slimmed it down-and een then something feels off.

I have become humbled looking and studying anatomy

6:04 PM

I don't know Nothin

6:05 PM

also if anyone is available and wants to study with me you can (edited)

annoy

Not sure if you care to do this, a lot of furry art doesn't do these. But you can figure out where the light comes from and separate the body to have a light/dark family. It helps me with keeping shadow parts dark.

Also thank you soo much Annoy, I will be studying that later today

6:10 PM

I feel like I need to use more shapes

💾//:Winded💚

I feel like I need to use more shapes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUcYTAiCQyQ check this out for learning some basic shapes data

Marc Brunet

3 DRAWING EXERCISES THAT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE

annoy

Not sure if you care to do this, a lot of furry art doesn't do these. But you can figure out where the light comes from and separate the body to have a light/dark family. It helps me with keeping shadow parts dark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3MsfZ-wjzA also this video for the light/shadow family and such. Traditional art stuff is very useful and often overlooked

Brent Eviston

How To Shade Anything

Thank U now, I can study!! I just drew this with shapes

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hell yea :)

improving a bit

2

2

goood <3

💾//:Winded💚

improving a bit

Another quick doodle

Life could be dream

7:00 PM

I am in pain trying to figure out anatomy

7:01 PM

And perspeective

7:07 PM

Are there any corrections that can be made with the way I draw?

I don't really use this often BUT Anything I could do better with this WIP vore piece?

SPOILER

need the shoulder and pectoral muscles to stretch when reaching up

5:28 PM

and belly should sag more since it has a lot of weight

ChrisMono

need the shoulder and pectoral muscles to stretch when reaching up

Gut sag and muscle stretch, thank you!

I did a sketch!

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💾//:Winded💚

I did a sketch!

WAHHH!!!!! This is so fukin good!!!

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3:07 AM

The perspective is impressive

Phantasmagoria𓅓

WAHHH!!!!! This is so fukin good!!!

Thank U Kal!!!

3:34 AM

I feel like I am Improving and I am going to try and work on more background designing

3:34 AM

3:38 AM

Though I know there areas to fix, I am going to fix them

1:36 PM

You’re doing great!

Drew this boykisser lookin Winded as warm up today

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💾//:Winded💚

Drew this boykisser lookin Winded as warm up today

Shapes are so clean here, really good work :3

1:38 AM

I have been aske by someone to draw their Bunny!

1:39 AM

But I am dummy and don't know how to make it look moree like bunny

1:59 AM

Quick Background sketch

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These look super cool and cute waoww

💾//:Winded💚

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Really digging the background sketch here, the perspective and spacing look solid!

Krautzy

Really digging the background sketch here, the perspective and spacing look solid!

Thank U I really appreciate it!

could i get some drawovers on this paw shape?

3:27 AM

its not feeling kobold dragony and i can't seem to make it look how i want

It feels kobold dragony to me. Do you have a particular drawing you are trying to mimic? Is it going to end up more as a hand or a forepaw?

yeah lemme get

(I forgot I set my name to that, it's very "name checks out" lmao)

XD

4:58 AM

4:59 AM

im trying to find better pictures but the spyro reignited dragons have s++ pawbs

5:01 AM

Here's notes on spyro's forepaw itself

Jigglebonez

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I think you can get away with pull/pushing the knuckles out slightly and defining the ridges along the back of the hand (this last part is probably best done as a sculpting operation)

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oooh

thank you!!

It's not quite as flat as I thought. I believe the image I was referencing had his feet clipped slightly into the ground

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spyro is just a guyro (edited)

7:07 AM

How can I improve on stuff like this?

what is "stuff like this"?

Like this picture that I just drew today like half an hour ago

Q-weenie Hut Jr.

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This one right here

Yew Dere

what is "stuff like this"?

Like how can I make my future drawings look even better?

7:12 AM

7:12 AM

Also was I supposed to spoiler it or?

10:07 AM

heeres what i ended up with

10:08 AM

i like that shape a lot more

pawbs

Jigglebonez

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If I could sculpt hands I would continue my model lmao

I do box/poly modeling myself. I'm kinda shit at sculpting

could I get a redline or smthn? I know there are a LOT of flaws and im willing to try and change/fix anything you can see but Im not good at art enough to understand anything like.. TOO complicated

SPOILER

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4:13 PM

mainly looking to make the general silhouette "correct"

4:14 PM

(heres motz, not drawn by me obv, by a friend)

Correct to replicate the pose in the photo or with what you have here? Note how the torso is turned in the photo, it's a very different pose overall. What you have would look fine for covering his face from being sprayed with water or something though.

The pose reference doesn't matter too much its just what I was using to get an idea just trying to get everything like, SORT of anatomically ok

agony PFF

5:04 PM

I also do need to improve my understanding of how to sketch like, the skeleton

i think the thing that can be changed to improve the pose, your not breaking the sillhouette, as much as your reference, which is where i think the appeal of the pose is

5:05 PM

check out all the negative space here between the arms and the torso

5:05 PM

that really helps the readability of the pose

5:06 PM

plus i think the angle of the shoulders also helps sell it with the more exaggerated body language

mhmm.. well, Im trying to learn, so I guess my next question would be how would I translate that into trying to use the pose to draw motz? or like, should I not worry about that

i think understanding what makes the pose appealing to me and exaggerating it is my goal

5:08 PM

try copying the pose in person and see how it feels to do

5:08 PM

bonus points if you do it in front of a mirror

mhm, ill try this

im not a 2D artist but i know poses, so thats all i can really give feedback on

5:09 PM

i hope it helps!

ty

please take my bunny, lift him over your head and rip him in half

3:13 AM

what errors could I fix ig

3:13 AM

or like break his spine over your knee or smthn, bane him

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Foth

what errors could I fix ig

Idk I can't suggest any changes without just forcing my style onto yours really

Fair I mean I don't have a style but I getcha Ty

everyone's got a style

Yew Dere

everyone's got a style

I'm going to eviscerate you, rip you in twine, tear you asunder No not everyone has a style I get what they mean, the limbs are heavily stylized, but they are that way because I literally followed the direct advise of a friend who has that style, its not -my- style, nor have I ever drawn anything in this way before, I'm open to criticism even on basis of the style because I'm not like, dedicated to anything

6:48 AM

Im gonna obliterate you for being a contratian, gonna explode your balls with my mind

Foth

I'm going to eviscerate you, rip you in twine, tear you asunder No not everyone has a style I get what they mean, the limbs are heavily stylized, but they are that way because I literally followed the direct advise of a friend who has that style, its not -my- style, nor have I ever drawn anything in this way before, I'm open to criticism even on basis of the style because I'm not like, dedicated to anything

Everyone’s style is a sum of parts from the styles that inspired them

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2:52 PM

I like to do my hands either very chunky and realistic or sharp and angle-y, inspired from an entirely different place than what inspired my body types which was a manga i really like (edited)

Foth

please take my bunny, lift him over your head and rip him in half

So you need to focus on what you want to fix on this. Do you want it more realistic, do you want to move towards super toony type art, do you want to work on hands, paws, legs, maws Etc.?Find what you want to fix and we can help better with the critiques yee?

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3:54 PM

We don’t have enough of a basis on your art to know where you’re wanting to have critique on it. I’m not gonna decimate your will to art just because I draw different yuh? Art is expression and that’s a fantastic piece to have started with. HappyHypnos

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Phantasmagoria𓅓

Everyone’s style is a sum of parts from the styles that inspired them

Agreed, I'm just nagging at yew because they say opposite to literally anything pffft But, I have no style as I haven't drawn enough to develop one or even "copy" someone else's, this gets into semantics a tad bit but like. For you guys, sometimes you will take upon someone else's style for the sake of a piece, in the moment you are doing this, I would not say that your style is their style, you are just using their style I do not have a style, if you could come up with a term and slap a label on what I draw it would be called like the blind artist or the crack trembler lmao

Jack, Cultist King

So you need to focus on what you want to fix on this. Do you want it more realistic, do you want to move towards super toony type art, do you want to work on hands, paws, legs, maws Etc.?Find what you want to fix and we can help better with the critiques yee?

To be honest, I'm not sure. Chris gave a breakdown of the legs and showed me how the camera facing leg should be larger, in perspective with the hip My main critique ask would be on the face, since it's the only thing I didn't get advice for, just sort of drew it

5:10 PM

And even then I'm just for the moment copying the style of motz in his ref for the face so there will be certain style choices affecting like, how far the eyes are apart etc The maw, ears and hair id like to get a better grasp on

5:11 PM

I drew the popsicle stick ears because I thought it looked more in line with the circular limbs, but do want to learn how to draw them properly

5:14 PM

Another thing I'll ask is like. I've been learning a lot about geometric shapes etc And the way the artist that advised me to draw the limbs, feels like it's a lot more loose and forgiving in terms of entrance level Will continuing down this road and drawing the limbs loose n round degrade my ability to improve, is it something I can get back to later, like, I can unlearn and relearn a new way later?

5:15 PM

And I still want to practice proper hands and not the bitchsuit limbs LOL

5:15 PM

(Sorry for the amount of questions...) (edited)

Foth

Agreed, I'm just nagging at yew because they say opposite to literally anything pffft But, I have no style as I haven't drawn enough to develop one or even "copy" someone else's, this gets into semantics a tad bit but like. For you guys, sometimes you will take upon someone else's style for the sake of a piece, in the moment you are doing this, I would not say that your style is their style, you are just using their style I do not have a style, if you could come up with a term and slap a label on what I draw it would be called like the blind artist or the crack trembler lmao

Style is never a static thing, it’s always changing. Your style was born the second you put stylus to screen. And while that’s not an excuse for mistakes it is also something to consider

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5:44 PM

Like when taking critique consider that you should focus on how you like things to look as well. Find the balance

You can always learn and unlearn things you are not going to fuck yourself over learning a toon style and then later learning a realistic style, etc.. I have multiple styles I can draw, it just depends on learning what each style really looks like. On the face honestly it looks pretty good but I'm not sure where you're wanting to go with it, so what are you looking to do there? Uhh the legs are fine with that style of art, but if you want to work on shapes and sizes for em I'd work on posing legs and looking at how different types of legs and feet/paws look when weight is displaced at different angles. I tend to pick and animal and look for hundreds of different photos of em to learn how that specific type of leg works.

5:46 PM

I wouldn't really change that art, it looks GOOD.

Phantasmagoria𓅓

Style is never a static thing, it’s always changing. Your style was born the second you put stylus to screen. And while that’s not an excuse for mistakes it is also something to consider

eh, It gets into definitional territory there like yea the second you put pen to paper ever you have a "style" but its not rlly the traditional meaning of the word like, if you could attribute a title to the style it would just be uneducated/none, or the crackhead tumbler

5:49 PM

like I have no actual preference for drawing style or habits built up, so its easier to just say I have no style

I'd just work on a style and solidify what makes you happy with it, if you want to doodle or draw things better it's all about doing things that work for YOU. You need to just pick something and draw it tbh

Foth

please take my bunny, lift him over your head and rip him in half

Awh awh, how cute, I want to lift him up above my head and RIP HIM IN HALF ## GRRARRRRGHH (edited)

Jack, Cultist King

I'd just work on a style and solidify what makes you happy with it, if you want to doodle or draw things better it's all about doing things that work for YOU. You need to just pick something and draw it tbh

tbh the circular loose arms are REALLY easy mechanically and I think it makes me feel better about drawing

5:52 PM

I actually had a lot of fun with this one, drew for 2 hours and didnt get tired or bored

not the green thing

Awh awh, how cute, I want to lift him up above my head and RIP HIM IN HALF ## GRRARRRRGHH (edited)

GRAHHHHHH

5:52 PM

bro I am a stubborn bastard I will fist fight with yew yew is on my CASE im going to like turn him into giblets

any better placement of the arms/legs or just in general?

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12:51 AM

they're fine tbh?

just want to make sure before I continue ig

1:02 AM

taking break for now though

Okiee (edited)

This is actually really good

1:53 AM

I can’t lie

1:53 AM

Huge improvement on the paw shape

1:53 AM

And the face shape too tbh

Foth

any better placement of the arms/legs or just in general?

very!

1:54 AM

the leggy pose is super cute

ty i am trying skfjhsdkjfsj

Hrmm I can't keep working on this like I can on digital, just at work doodling from memory with no ref on hand

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5:33 AM

I think i want to get better at doing the arms and then hands

5:33 AM

I need some work in every area but I think I'm more comfortable with the face, legs to an extent and torso

5:34 AM

But I need work on hands paws and especially the arms

5:40 AM

I understand how to make cylinders like this, and the face of the cylinder denotes the side that is closer to the pov, if it's more like a rectangle in shape, both parts of the arm are about the same distance, so there will be less perspective in play

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5:41 AM

I just don't know how to turn that into something that looks like a good arm

I see you snake i know what you are

I see you bat i know what you are

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Work on getting your proportions of limbs the right size compared to the body

12:28 PM

The legs would be as long as the torso and the arms fully extended, wrist would reach the crotch area

I am familiar with the proportions when fully extended and mostly flat to the body, I have trouble with getting the proportions right when taking perspective into account. and that there arent many good poses where the hands are just like... to the side

Foth

any better placement of the arms/legs or just in general?

Proportions here were perfect

hrmm Ill work on it later but I have trouble figuring out how to draw an arm ontop of those guidelines

12:51 PM

n making it look nice

anyone use rebelle 7? trying to learn the program and it's going kind of mixed, used to clip studio. friend recommended i try and use rebelle due to my painterly style and i dunno, i feel like the oil paints aren't mixing at all which is what i really like about how i've configured my csp brushes. i really like the texture that can be made just by layering things, though (edited)

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8:30 PM

first speedpaint using it, struggled a lot to get shapes down. i'm used to the DAUB brush sets for csp if anyone's familliar with them and has advice on switching over from csp, or if it's even worth while

8:31 PM

i feel like no matter how i adjust the settings though the oil paints don't want to mix with eachother on canvas, which sucks as it has a really impressive color mixing engine

From what I've seen, Rebelle sure has pretty marketing, but not much behind it. The pigment mixing algorithm is kinda cute, but in many cases, the simple digital "just average the channels" works okay enough. Learning the pitfall color combinations - where the R, G or B sliders are at opposite extremes and averaging them gives you grays - and just continuing to use your existing program is probably more productive.

I’ve found perceptual color mixing to be incredibly useful to my workflow, Clip Studio has a feature that’s similar though Rebelle’s seems able to keep track of colors more efficiently. I like Rebelle’s base brushes and the texture I can get with them more than the brushes I use in clip studio but wish they mixed better. Hence me asking if anyone’s familiar with the program.

11:04 PM

I know Rebelle has a way of defining wet paint and dry paint on a canvas so I’m thinking it’s drying the paint too fast

That said, did some testing and discovered the problem was my tablet's pressure settings being set to soft, so it was registering a lot of what I was doing with 100% pressure. Finnicking with this is getting results.

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4:43 PM

any help with the pose I sketched the general idea

What's the idea? It looks like theyre pouring a pot into a sink

Jigglebonez

What's the idea? It looks like theyre pouring a pot into a sink

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Foth

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looks great!

7:46 PM

the pose came out pretty nicely!

my bones hurt i tried so hard PFFF

character looks good

SO Rufus is around 5.5~ ft tall

8:14 PM

and I googled the height of a typical gas station standing cooler and its about 6 ft

8:15 PM

so correct me if Im wrong but I think the colored in red box would be ABOUT Rufus's standing height?

8:15 PM

he's not going to be standing for this but Im trying to like.. try way too hard for this lmao

8:16 PM

The goo machine looks too much like the slushie machine I used for reference, I might rip out the front top half and turn it into a giant vat

8:35 PM

have turned into the goo vat

8:36 PM

fuck i have spent an hour 30 on just this RAHHHHH

this is just a vague idea to show what im trying to do Ima take a break for now! but if someone can help me with the posing, im fine from redoing it from scratch! the red box is supposed to be his standing height so I think I drew him way too big among other things, but the idea is to have his legs spread out for stability while he leans back n just fckin guzzles goo™ (edited)

9:28 PM

This is moreso to express my idea than to actually be used as a base for anything

if being exactly the right scale is important to you, i would suggest using a 3d posing software, but there is a way of finding the standing height in relation to this machine

1:19 AM

made the character ft 5.5 and the box 6 feet tall

1:19 AM

wait no thats the cooler not the goo machine

1:21 AM

1:22 AM

the box in front of the character is 5 foot flat and the black box is 6 foot

1:26 AM

but if you wanna do it manually:

1:27 AM

take the flat surface of the reference object and draw a line from opposite diagonal corners

1:27 AM

this way you get the exact half point

1:28 AM

use that center point to cut the plane in half and draw another x to split it into quarters

1:30 AM

continue to subdivide till you can get a good scale for its height then use that to reference for your character

ChrisMono

if being exactly the right scale is important to you, i would suggest using a 3d posing software, but there is a way of finding the standing height in relation to this machine

I believe the red box is the standing height of Rufus

2:07 AM

the one I colored in but is transparent

any critique is appreciated ima take a break for today but will work on tommorrow

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The pose feels very stiff currently, i'd suggest tilting the head back, and slouching the body more against the machine. If the horns are in the way just use them to can opener the machines tray. Then change the size of limbs for depth, distance from the perspective. Also they are askew to the rest of the setting, you might want to angle them more to the right side, align with setting. I hope thats a bit helpful

thank you! i will try to understand this more when im working on it tommorrow

5:25 AM

help me with this hand pleaaase

you making hands with 3 or 4 fingies?

3 fingies

5:32 AM

+ a thumb

5:32 AM

so 4 actually

5:32 AM

I just cant figure out how to connect the thumb

tip of the thumb usually doesn't reach past the second knuckle, i'd put it further down the palm. if it's supposed to be aimed out to the side, you're gonna have to 'turn' it away

2:16 AM

I am doin a doodle

I love him

2:51 AM

Big fan of the three lines between his eyes following the contour of his snout. Really gives it shape/ structure!!!

Phantasmagoria𓅓

Big fan of the three lines between his eyes following the contour of his snout. Really gives it shape/ structure!!!

Thambk U, Kal, I appreciate it, I was going to work on fixing the armon the left a bit

So I'm ALMOST finally done designing my sona's body markings after only 10 tries, last part is the tail... Fully patterned or simple swisher? I kinda like simple because it's less busy and extends the mane nicely but I'm not sure

Oh fuck that is hard

8:03 PM

Neither makes the design too simple or too busy, they’re both super viable

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8:05 PM

I say go with the pattern, since the hair/mane goes all the way down and connect to it, only having the colors on the hair and not on the tail makes it seem a lil less consistent

Fair enough, that's 2-0 for patterned so far :) Thanks for your thoughts

8:06 PM

Yeah I tried adding the white to the simple tail's tip but it looked wrong, same with red as accent (edited)

I Believe it yeah, I like the consistency the pattern adds

The monocolored one looks better to me, particularly from behind. Less patterns is also less work.

Yeah it's got one more niche advantage: Getting a suit of this guy next year and the maker doesn't do removable tails, so it'd be WAY easier to make a substitute tail for partial wearing lol

💾//:Winded💚

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Still working on it

💾//:Winded💚

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Null the Ludroth

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not my art, Im trying to comprehend my characters head shape. about to head to work but would appreciate any advice! I understand that the art im trying to comprehend is stylyzed, Im attempting to draw the character somewhat like how they are drawn, as thats my best chance of getting reference material

6:00 PM

but basically, Im trying to find the lines on the circle "head" I THINK i've found the horizontal line, becuase it lines up both with the eye and lines up with the muzzle top

6:01 PM

but Im wanting critique or help on my comprehension

6:01 PM

6:05 PM

this is the character im tryna figure it out on

6:05 PM

Im trying to both deconstruct it and also to just consistently be able to draw it

In that picture at the bottom, the artist used a box or rectangle as a base from what it looks like to me, not a circular shape like in your shapes above. But that picture at the bottom is not drawn in perspective, so trying to draw a 3D shape over it is not really gonna give you a good result. Can't tell what's going on in the other pictures.

I see hrmm

7:59 PM

I'll try to think more on this when I'm home, ty

Foth

I'll try to think more on this when I'm home, ty

All I’m seeing is a cute dork

Dork

Deserves a hug

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spoilering for pr0n been beating my head on this one for a few months now, but i finally decided about halfway in to go the painter's route to coloring it since doing it flat just didn't make sense to me, so what was originally a simple flats comm turned into a painting exercise. there's still some things i need to work out like the sense of depth (adding grass infront of the feet/paws and shadows here and there) but i'd like a second opinion on the overall state of the draw. i leaned pretty hard on custom brushes for the grass since trying to manually paint in the grass gave nice results but looked too cartoony for the style i'm going with

SPOILER

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Cute <3

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💾//:Winded💚

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Cayute 🥹

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WOAH

butte

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I'm wanting to maybe draw a very low perspective, looking up at the character Is using a 3d model to get an idea of how it would look cheating myself? Will I be harming my ability to intuit perspective or is it still usable and useful?

use reference. 3d models are reference (edited)

Foth

I'm wanting to maybe draw a very low perspective, looking up at the character Is using a 3d model to get an idea of how it would look cheating myself? Will I be harming my ability to intuit perspective or is it still usable and useful?

if you study it and understand why it looks like that then its good for referencing and learning

Mhm .. I'm working RN but I'm off sunday-wednesday so I'm about to be very invested

uhh, this is the first time drawing nsfw or anything like this pose Relying heavily on a model as reference, pls let me know if anything is horribly wrong, taking a break rn dms would be appreciated im not the best at expressing nsfw ideas in public

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shy boy

slanderer

you shyboy

11:23 PM

this whole server is nsfw

your face is nsfw

ChrisHD

see

I think it looks really really great!!

Foth

uhh, this is the first time drawing nsfw or anything like this pose Relying heavily on a model as reference, pls let me know if anything is horribly wrong, taking a break rn dms would be appreciated im not the best at expressing nsfw ideas in public

this is my progress for today, taking a break having to rely on advice from frens and the model a lot more- after this im gonna go to doing more normal perspectives so that I can actually learn more lol, I love this perspective but I feel its way out of my depth and so Im not rlly comprehending anything im doing, just redoing it until it looks "ok"

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2:29 AM

oh god Im going to have to draw a celing and everything ughhhh

What's the fov of the original reference with the model

ChrisMono

What's the fov of the original reference with the model

Foth

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you can see the underside of the head with this, I dont know how to denote that with lineart I assume itll work out when coloring maybe idk lol

I think you should mix a bit of using this as a reference and doing it with perspective lines and shapes

is his neck to long?!

too*

AngieSpangie

is his neck to long?!

no

Way too short

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKi3-fe1GC4&t=573s&ab_channel=Proko Trying to properly take a slow approach, before I start doing timed practice to actually UNDERSTAND gesture drawing, currently going off this video's advice

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Proko

How to Combine Gesture and Anatomy

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7:27 PM

Any advice would be appreciated though I will try to ask a specific question

7:28 PM

The body I used as reference is facing torwards the pov a lot more than the one used in the video as a tutorial, so its harder for me to comprehend I think my understanding starts to dramatically break down and fail at the hips

7:28 PM

if you (reading this) know of any other videos or material that can help id be willing to eat that shit up

Foth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKi3-fe1GC4&t=573s&ab_channel=Proko Trying to properly take a slow approach, before I start doing timed practice to actually UNDERSTAND gesture drawing, currently going off this video's advice

also i butchered this one horribly it just doesnt work lol

i remember seeing a vid where the guy was focusing on the longest line from top to bottom

If anyone here has resources or visual aids on drawing rotating 3d shapes id love to see! For the next 2-3 weeks going to be practicing with them, already have a decent idea of what's going on but any way to self check myself and or improve is appreciated

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6T_-DiAzYBc&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwi7-dXV_9WPAxUQlGoFHd4_OH44FBCjtAF6BAgNEAY&usg=AOvVaw1slfuIy567UYP3nBXJIBEN

2:57 PM

@Foth

2:57 PM

This video helped me alot understand form and such

Ty

Q-weenie Hut Jr.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6T_-DiAzYBc&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwi7-dXV_9WPAxUQlGoFHd4_OH44FBCjtAF6BAgNEAY&usg=AOvVaw1slfuIy567UYP3nBXJIBEN

Have watched now, this is actually somewhat similar to the things I've been prompted to study by the course I'm getting back into the course and right now it's getting me to for the next 2 weeks, carve into basic shapes, draw them rotating, and stretch them

So in the program Im following its stuctured like this sorta, I have a few daily tasks to do for a week (or longer if I dont get it) and then move on to the next rn im on week 6, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUcYTAiCQyQ&ab_channel=MarcBrunet so im gonna be trying to figure the things out in this video for the next 2 weeks

Marc Brunet

3 DRAWING EXERCISES THAT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE

7:34 PM

Basically, drawing shapes rotated, then stretch em then carve into em

7:35 PM

I searched up 3d models of cubes to help but if anyone knows any specific reference that could help understand this kinda thing I can just look at how the video draws the shapes n stretches them etc but I want to not just monkey copy everything I see and put thought into it

7:36 PM

Ill definitely figure it out on my own, Im just about to head to work and cant practice anymore, so I figured i'd air this question out in case anyone happened to have an enlightened mind to smite me with

Foth

So in the program Im following its stuctured like this sorta, I have a few daily tasks to do for a week (or longer if I dont get it) and then move on to the next rn im on week 6, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUcYTAiCQyQ&ab_channel=MarcBrunet so im gonna be trying to figure the things out in this video for the next 2 weeks

Marc Brunet is really good

Mhm I'm following his course program thing

8:08 PM

Upon rereading I think it's just prompting me to do the first of the 3 So just drawing shapes rotating

Within perspective it's really easy to draw shapes as you literally just follow the lines. But I realize I do actually struggle to comprehend how to actually rotate it I can see like.. "patterns", if you rotate a cube the things that stick out to me are the three corners that poke out, getting larger or smaller in relation to each other, with one face showing more surface area I can definitely draw extreme rotational transitions, like, facing left, facing middle, facing right, but drawing the in-between of those is very difficult

https://youtu.be/MNA1oBmWRY4 (Did basic Google searching and came to this video, gonna try n absorb it while at work)

dr. Draw

How to Rotate a Box in Perspective

(me trying to learn art primarily in a furry vore discord server fjgjgjgj)

boxhead cant draw boxes, smh

I'm not boxhead

1:33 AM

I'm banned

Foth

I'm not boxhead

Box

Banned

1:34 AM

**!

Foth

Banned

Box in a box

Nuh

Foth

Nuh

Yuh

I kill

Foth

I kill

Try

Explodes

Foth

Explodes

revives

you revive the dust particles that remain, box is still gone

Foth

you revive the dust particles that remain, box is still gone

box comes back

Box left to get milk

Foth

Box left to get milk

Box returns with milk

Milk spilt, box leaves

Foth

Milk spilt, box leaves

Box returns and stays

Stays in hell where it belongs

2:04 AM

>:)

Box leaves hell and starts drawing

Drawing his last breath from his lungs, going right back to hell

Foth

Drawing his last breath from his lungs, going right back to hell

Stays on the tablet and draws lots of art

I'm gonna explode you with my mind

Foth

I'm gonna explode you with my mind

Good luck. I’m gonna keep you company

Screeeeee

Foth

Screeeeee

pets

going to work let me know if anything seems structurally wrong

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7:21 PM

or anything

7:22 PM

just sketch rn

7:23 PM

character im trying to draw for reference as well as the table reference REF ART BY CURIBAWL ON BSKY

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7:24 PM

@Carpet ty for the model btw :3

Foth

character im trying to draw for reference as well as the table reference REF ART BY CURIBAWL ON BSKY

Wow I love your art Motz

not the green thing

Wow I love your art Motz

power word: Piss

7:28 PM

Foth

power word: Piss

Literally clicked this and read while I was sittin and pissin

yeah thats right

7:29 PM

dont fuck with me

7:29 PM

got plenty where that came from

Foth

got plenty where that came from

Box gets pet

Foth

character im trying to draw for reference as well as the table reference REF ART BY CURIBAWL ON BSKY

species; smoochable

Null the Ludroth

species; smoochable

I'm really excited to draw him

1:46 AM

Starting to get to a point where it's super enjoyable

1:47 AM

I'm gonna get frustrated I'm sure once I start to put it together but I want to make him smthn that he can atleast tell I tried my best on djfjfjf

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8:34 PM

let me know of any error

8:34 PM

except axis axis is banned grr

kiss my ass

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1

that left table leg looks a bit crooked

ty

Yeah cause there's a cutie on the table and it's about to cross its legs in excitement

can someone help me figure out the elbow here

12:50 AM

this is his arm

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ty

my bones hurt pls give advice on general color layout and also shading

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3:45 AM

might add a tray of sushi but my bones ache

look at references of similar resturant places like this to get an idea of color, and soft shade with a colored tone

Does anyone know any tricks to make metallic textures look more metallic without doing too much shading? Working on a flat piece and not trying to do too much with shading but it does also have a suit of armor

if you want to show off its shine in a simple way, you can do maybe like a star gleam or simple highlights. if you're hellbent on not shading, just being a normally-metallic object and having the colors should be enough. depends on the metal, but maybe some spots where oxidization might change the color, spots where you can express the material through its shape, like maybe with a persisting dent or a jagged rip. maybe make the outlines on metal objects sharper or thinner than the rest to make it stand out

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I've been doing value practice lately to train my mind into being able to imagine shading more properly? does anyone have any tips of video that would be good to learn from? c:

https://youtu.be/BTYGWfiZnMA (edited)

Marco Bucci

Essential Values for Painting, Lighting and Design

2:46 PM

Marco bucci has good videos for painting in general

-# Tracker

its going to be handed to an artist that does stuff better than I do, so less looking for advice, but wanted to show you what I have been prototyping as of late nonetheless

6:19 PM

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Null the Ludroth

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Null art!!

Phantasmagoria𓅓

Null art!!

6:41 PM

Good derg

Null the Ludroth

Marc Brunet is really good

True, i am following the 30 day exercises owo

https://fixupx.com/ginyoagoldie/status/1991487477127999519?s=46

ginyoagoldie (@ginyoagoldie)

the math behind blend modes 7 346 2.3K 37.5K

They stole this from my Eurofurence talk

6:02 PM

The math also only applies to the opaque part of pixels. You have to enable inherit alpha/clipping on the top layer, otherwise you get different (garbage) results.

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8:04 PM

brain cant comprehend making it any more complicated moving on to the next building

8:07 PM

Actually, how do you guys intuit perspective without tracing on the drawing? im trying to treat it like this is a building im looking at, thus inable to just draw over it (as it would be easy then)

8:08 PM

I use the perpective ruler within csp because I mean, it isnt cheating (I think?) as all it does is draw the straight lines from the perspective point for you, which you'd be doing anyways to follow perspective

8:09 PM

but to use the perspective ruler I have to find the points in the first place, and im trying to get the point accurate

No it's not "cheating", nor is it cheating to draw over a photo or 3D render.

im following the marc brunet course and for this week Ive been prompted to draw a couple street corners from reference

8:13 PM

Im trying to only cut the corners that wont really teach me anything crucial. do you think it would be time efficient to just paste the image onto my canvas, find the perspective and just use it to double check how well im drawing it?

8:13 PM

I dont want to just trace the building obviously, so just having it visible the whole time seems a bit silly

I see no reason why you woudn't use the photo to place your rules.

8:15 PM

Other than skipping them altogether, but if perspective projection isn't intuitive for you, you probably don't want to skip them.

well I can see the perspective lines, I just wouldnt know how to place them perfectly if not placing them on the image outright

Foth

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I winged this one and think I got it mostly alright, though its not perfect

You're not making a blueprint.

so I think what ill do is Ill paste the image onto my canvas to get a grasp of the perspective, place down the perspective points n horizone line via the ruler then after that ill make the reference invisible on the canvas and only use the reference on a different monitor, rather than drawing over it directly

8:19 PM

RAHH I ONLY HAVE 10 MINUTES BEFORE I LEAVE FOR WORK scree

8:19 PM

grumble grumble

You really only need it to lay down the rulers, I wouldn't keep it behind the canvas all the time if you're not gonna draw over it directly. You're trying to draw art, not produce a replica.

8:21 PM

Your drawing won't match up with the photo exactly, but that also totally doesn't matter.

Mink of the End

You really only need it to lay down the rulers, I wouldn't keep it behind the canvas all the time if you're not gonna draw over it directly. You're trying to draw art, not produce a replica.

yep, thats what I gathered from what ye said that helps a lot I mainly just needed to hear that its not 'cheating'. and by cheating Im not refering to anything in the moral sense, I mainly mean in regards to cheating myself out of learning a valuable skill

Foth

Actually, how do you guys intuit perspective without tracing on the drawing? im trying to treat it like this is a building im looking at, thus inable to just draw over it (as it would be easy then)

if I were to just try to intuit the perspective without drawing over the thing itself it would look something like this in my head

8:32 PM

8:35 PM

but with drawing over the actual photo I can see I was a bit incorrect with my intuition, the perpective point for the red line is way further in the distance and more flat/pov facing

Foth

im following the marc brunet course and for this week Ive been prompted to draw a couple street corners from reference

Sorry for shifting your question here. But do you mean by this you brought that artschool thingy from marc Brunet?

Mhm

Foth

Mhm

can you recommend it? I am being torn as I want to buy it too. but the pricetag is pretty high up there Concerned

I've been rather... Inconsistent in following it, I've had it for months but I'm on like week 6 fhfhfhf plan on getting more consistent

Foth

I've been rather... Inconsistent in following it, I've had it for months but I'm on like week 6 fhfhfhf plan on getting more consistent

I currently have vacation and just powered through the 30day "get better challenge" from his YT.

SpringingRaptor

can you recommend it? I am being torn as I want to buy it too. but the pricetag is pretty high up there Concerned

I don't know if I can or can't yet, but it's teaching me a lot of fundamentals I would have had trouble finding on my own

10:06 PM

It's supposed to teach you all the right fundamentals at the right moments

Hmmm Sounds interesting tho.

It definitely is Though, I'm about to start getting into human facial structure which I dread I really really really don't care about the human face so this is gonna be hard

Foth

It definitely is Though, I'm about to start getting into human facial structure which I dread I really really really don't care about the human face so this is gonna be hard

I can understand that. Just wanna draw dumb horny furry characters. But its part, as you said, of the fundamentals.

Mhm

Foth

Mhm

Thank you Rufus, i really appreciate your inputs. I might just bite the bullet

I think that just in the spirit of following the class you will be drawing and drawing is the way to improve

6:41 AM

so I mean worse case scenario you just end up drawing more

6:41 AM

and will learn regardless

6:42 AM

Im very new to art though, if you want proper advice ask literally anyone else- though ive come to learn art isnt smthn that someone can just 'teach you' you can be taught fundamental concepts like how perspective works etc but someone can't just utter a phrase that suddenly makes you draw hands right (edited)

6:44 AM

they can explain like... "yeah break it into simpler shapes", then show you the simpler shape, And then show neat little like.... guidelines for drawing hands etc, and that does help a ton, but the only thing that will get you to actually draw the hand better is just trying it and failing a billion times

Foth

my bones hurt pls give advice on general color layout and also shading

also ive been drawing for like a year now and this is the best thing ive drawn so take that for what its worth (the image im pointing out is an unfinished version but to be fair the finished version isnt much better lol)

is the 30 day challenge good for getting better at art

PrograGamer XII

is the 30 day challenge good for getting better at art

so I am on day 26 right now. I do believe I got better at constructing things and trying to imagine things in 3D. That might also just have been from me being able to turn off my head better in vacation. The main benefit is, its basically a: "Oi Bruv, you have to do your exercise, it takes like 2-5 mins, 10 maximum. and now as you have done it, you are in the mood to do more stuff"

I want to try to make my question as direct as possible but it's vague. I'm getting mixed up between simplifying shapes and creating a simple gesture roadmap

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7:15 PM

Let me try to explain

7:16 PM

Rufus' body is a lot like this character but longer I can understand the shapes, I definitely need a bit more understanding of them but I have an elementary comprehension

Foth

I want to try to make my question as direct as possible but it's vague. I'm getting mixed up between simplifying shapes and creating a simple gesture roadmap

The problem with this is that I started relying far too much on his ref to be able to draw him I'm trying to understand how the shapes work and interact with eachother and just RAHHHH

7:19 PM

I don't know what my question is my brain is shutting down I nap now

I have napped on it and I understand my question better

9:32 PM

Basically, in gesture drawing you are trying to just quickly sketch out a pose and get the "form" down as a skeleton blueprint to start adding layers and building everything up. I vaguely understand the basic shapes to an extent that make up my character, but I have absolutely no Idea where to begin when trying to draw out that first rough sketch

9:33 PM

What direction do I need to go in

people have different shorthand technique for drawing characters quickly into order to rapid fire poses and trial/error to get the form down. But it always starts with an idea, what would the character look like in this scenario? more than just what pose, but what angle? what FOV, what perspective? what emotion do i want to convey? etc. those alone will change what the pose will be from the start. Then when you have an idea of what you want you can start with a skeleton. this can help you find form and try out different poses fast.

11:27 PM

i use a circle and alternating curves for the base of all my drawings where im trying to find a pose that works

11:28 PM

but for characters with non human proportions you can still simplify their form into curves

11:29 PM

ChrisMono

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YEA see, I'm trying to simplify it like this I'm at work but I kinda want to try to explain what my frustration was

11:32 PM

I started out by trying to make 3d shapes, because I didn't understand how the loose form would fit together, only to realize that I didn't really know where I was even going

11:32 PM

I'm doing step 2 to try and figure out step 1 but it's not working

ChrisMono

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Rufus' hips would be a bit more forward then a creature like this I think but just like, smthn like this

11:34 PM

I know the shapes He's just a box for a head, with a cylinder for a neck and chest, which expands out almost into a cone

Foth

I want to try to make my question as direct as possible but it's vague. I'm getting mixed up between simplifying shapes and creating a simple gesture roadmap

I'm wanting to be able to draw Rufus at different angles than the one found in his ref but when I try I end up getting frustrated and just start following the ref way too heavy

11:36 PM

And I'm trying to do this on the side of doing the marc art course

gotta get out of your comfort zone and draw him in weird poses that push your understanding of his shapes

11:38 PM

so you'll learn how to manipulate him how you wish (edited)

Mhm I want help with this because I feel I'll be more confident after doing it- But help is a lot to ask. I've had friends draw out a pose for me to emulate and am very appreciative and it does help (thanks treehouse) but I really really need to understand how the shapes fit in space and just being shown the end result calculations doesn't help me as much with the problem itself

11:42 PM

I want to be able to do these kinds of calculations on the fly

would a list of written poses help with that?

11:49 PM

leaves the interpretation up to you

Possibly, don't know what I can't know

11:55 PM

11:56 PM

It's also complicated because his eyes are on the side of his head

11:56 PM

So he can't really be looking head on

well you interpret the request however you want, after drawing it you can ask people for feedback how the pose could be better or more interesting

Mhm

12:12 AM

I will try tomorrow though this is definitely hard

PrograGamer XII

is the 30 day challenge good for getting better at art

when I am finished, I guess if you want to I can show case what I have done so far and maybe you can spot improvements lol

probably will do it anyways

Forwarded

And i am done. 30 days finished Day 0 vs Day 30

Originally sent: 11/26/2025 11:47 AM

11:51 AM

@PrograGamer XII @Foth so I did now every single day. of the 30 day challenge. Day 0 vs Day 30 here. I am not 100% sure if I got better at constructing, I more feel like i got better at copying by eye lol

Definitely better I think it just made you a better eye copy

2:26 PM

If that's what it's going for then gj

2:26 PM

But I think learning to construct the shapes is more useful

2:28 PM

The original skull image is a bit misleading because it leaves out a lot of the construction necessary to make it

2:32 PM

The artist has done that construction many times and visions it in his head so he doesn't have to draw it on the paper, but you still need to learn it/ put it on the paper in order to draw this skull more convincingly.

2:34 PM

Unless it shows you in the video every step that I'm not seeing, it would be better to break it down into easier shapes

ChrisMono

Definitely better I think it just made you a better eye copy

Yeh thats my general feeling too. I basically got better at copying by eye rather then construction

Rahhhh I am following marc brunets art course and am getting to parts that are very demotivating. Namely, philosophy. I just sat through an hour long video on the difference between "lines" and "points", what negative space is and tension between points And I looked at next week's study material and it's self portraits and just RAHHH I want the fundamentals but I do not care at all, even a sliver of an iota of care about drawing the human face

11:01 PM

I don't want to just skip lessons but Its also extremely demotivating to draw something I feel I don't want to draw and I also feel isn't helping me in ways I want

11:04 PM

I wonder if I should just skip these But theres a lot of genuinely good material hidden in the lessons too

11:04 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Foth

Rahhhh I am following marc brunets art course and am getting to parts that are very demotivating. Namely, philosophy. I just sat through an hour long video on the difference between "lines" and "points", what negative space is and tension between points And I looked at next week's study material and it's self portraits and just RAHHH I want the fundamentals but I do not care at all, even a sliver of an iota of care about drawing the human face

https://girlcockx.com/Darkgemrawr/status/1993846636167221471?s=19 I feel like this is a good motivation goal

DarkGem ~ Confuzzled (@Darkgemrawr)

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SpringingRaptor

https://girlcockx.com/Darkgemrawr/status/1993846636167221471?s=19 I feel like this is a good motivation goal

i knew i recognized darkgem

SpringingRaptor

https://girlcockx.com/Darkgemrawr/status/1993846636167221471?s=19 I feel like this is a good motivation goal

I think my biggest problem is study time

5:56 AM

more specifically, I am incapable of studying for longer than like an hour, 2-3 hours if im like SUPER motivated but thats rare. I am beginning to try and reaserch better ways to study effectively

5:57 AM

I have learned that most people cant study for longer than 20 minutes at times before their brain shuts down, but an hour is still too little

5:57 AM

In my research I have come across the pomodoro technique (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomodoro_Technique)

Pomodoro Technique

The Pomodoro Technique is a time management method developed by Francesco Cirillo in the late 1980s. It uses a kitchen timer to break work into intervals, typically 25 minutes in length, separated by short breaks. Each interval is known as a pomodoro, from the Italian word for tomato, after the tomato-shaped kitchen timer that Cirillo used while...

6:00 AM

I am going to try it out and will tell you how I feel. I've also learned what a proper break is- key points I can recite off the top of my head

you want to leave the area you study in

preferably go outside if you can

exercise is stimulating

and In the looking ive been doing, apparently people are able to do 9+ hours of study doing this method

6:01 AM

if I can actually pull it off, then Studying the human face will not bother me at all, because ill be getting 9x the substance from my studies and such should improve faster anyways

6:01 AM

the reason I ultimately had a problem with studying human facial structure is Im impatient and feel like my time isn't being used in a way I want, so if I can use my time more effectively, this problem will become a non issue

6:06 AM

I am looking into buying a pomodoro timer and also LOUND

Foth

I am looking into buying a pomodoro timer and also LOUND

Just use your phone?

7:16 AM

Afaik even windows has a specific pomodoro timer option

is it this

PrograGamer XII

is it this

yes

10:05 AM

it basically removes all information of updates, even removes the red orb from discord. I used this a lot during my master thesis lol

Pomodoro seems to be going well, I'm over an hour into intense study and still going, where as before I would have started to glaze over at 30 minutes

4:37 PM

I'm missing a key few points though The app I'm using is imperfect and fails to auto start and sometimes fails to play noise but I don't have time to fix it rlly so I have to just keep visual contact of the timer (you are supposed to not look at the time) I've eaten sugary foods (munched on ice cream, yummy but bad) But still, going better than I usually do without the method

done for today, got 2 hours of practice in, actually could have gone for longer but thanksgiving stuff is ready

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5:12 PM

whats notable about the pomodoro method is that not only have I been able to study for longer seemlingly (have to try more to see if it works or just placebo) but also I HATE this study subject

5:13 PM

I do not care to draw humans at all period but especially facial structure. (edited)

Foth

whats notable about the pomodoro method is that not only have I been able to study for longer seemlingly (have to try more to see if it works or just placebo) but also I HATE this study subject

What did you do in your 5 min breaks?

I got up to clean, walked outside a bit Torwards the last break I just laid on the couch in the living room

Foth

I got up to clean, walked outside a bit Torwards the last break I just laid on the couch in the living room

Tbh, boredome is key to once again be motivated and also have better imagination.

4:13 AM

On another note.... hnnng...should i buy that school too? 300€ do be a lot

Really up to you I have learned valuable things But if you are looking for a step by step guide to mindlessly follow and then come out the other end of the tunnel and awesome cool art dude, this will not be it A lot of it is vague like.. For example, I've recently been prompted to learn how to draw shapes in perspective, overlapping and deformed..... But it didn't tell me how

4:16 AM

I think this is by design, it's intending to get me to actively look and use my brain to figure this problem out, guiding me on a loose leash

4:16 AM

Useful yes but just tell me exactly what to do rahhhhh

Foth

I think this is by design, it's intending to get me to actively look and use my brain to figure this problem out, guiding me on a loose leash

Yep, makes sense. The main issue i had with the 30 days, as you saw above, was that i got better at copying but not really constriction

Anyone have any resources on deforming shapes? I have particular issue with understanding contour lines, namely on cylinders, struggle to deform them

12:26 AM

Haven't begun to try shading yet but I'm starting with deformation

12:28 AM

To be more specific about my problems This is where the problem begins for me with cylinders

12:49 AM

I can make the first line well but then the other line that denotes the rest of the cylinder I have problems with

12:50 AM

And then after that I struggle with contour lines

12:56 AM

To be more specific I get contour lines when the cylinder is straight- you just copy the curve of the top of the cylinder When the cylinder is curvy in any way, including like, "L" shape bends in a pipe, I do not know how to correctly denote this with contour lines

1:02 AM

And I think this is my biggest hurdle when it comes to deforming shapes

1:02 AM

I can do it when it's not a cylinder

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YWT518tnyik&t=9s

Slinky Josh

Ferret slinky trick in slow mo! #slinkytricks

1:23 AM

Like the slinky, just rings instead of a spiral.

Thank you

Foth

To be more specific I get contour lines when the cylinder is straight- you just copy the curve of the top of the cylinder When the cylinder is curvy in any way, including like, "L" shape bends in a pipe, I do not know how to correctly denote this with contour lines

5:45 AM

mhm how do I brain this

basically when you approach a curve

5:45 AM

the inside lines segment slowly with less space between them

5:45 AM

and the outside curves get more space between each line

what does the inside line vs outside curves mean

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sorry if im being idfficult fsdkjhfkjsdhfs

gotcha

the lines on the inside of the curve travel less distance

5:47 AM

but the outside curves travel farther

5:48 AM

think of like a marching band with rows of musicians

5:48 AM

the guy closest to the corner takes little steps while the guy furthest from the corner takes longer steps

Foth

To be more specific I get contour lines when the cylinder is straight- you just copy the curve of the top of the cylinder When the cylinder is curvy in any way, including like, "L" shape bends in a pipe, I do not know how to correctly denote this with contour lines

now how would I go about showing the contour lines for smthn that is very wobbly

5:49 AM

ill try all this tommorrow

if you think of the wobbly shapes as cut sections, if the width is consistent all the way down, then the size of the contour doesn't change it just moves

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if you think of like a tall deck of cards, each card is the same size, its just offset

gotcha

5:54 AM

this pic you posted shows pretty well

5:54 AM

the circles overlap

ChrisMono

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and that is why we need open differentials in cars too C:

ChrisMono

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also ngl, that is a great exercise, I might yoink that for todays practice Prayge

well that fucking sucks Mad respect for Chris

this reminds me of a thing i saw a long time ago

this you place random circles on the paper then you make a tube that uses all these circles

12:57 PM

and then you make snek from that because it's fun or smth

@Foth i am balling now too...

Good luck

11:36 PM

Im on term 2 week 2 rn

ChrisMono

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I still need work on it but this helps me visualize it a lot better thank you

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np

ChrisMono

np

Yeh i agree, your reference helped a lot

I'm on the verge of jumping off the program and trying to just draw my character Maybe picking pieces here and there from the program but not following the structure

5:19 PM

Im about to nap and then wake up to go to dentist

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But if anyone can offer me material that might help me draw my character let me know

5:21 PM

I really want to get to a state where I can draw for fun as a relaxing kind of deal The most fun I've had drawing was undoubtedly working on the full drawings for my friend, but I'm not capable enough to be able to replicate that hrmm

5:22 PM

(not mine obviously, drawn by curibawl) I am open to advice but am looking to try and draw his head at different angles I can draw a box rotating and that's basically what his head is but my brain just comes short of putting 2 n 2 together

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6:37 PM

This reference usually helps with drawing at different perspectives

6:38 PM

Or at least inspire angles you could use for your study

Thank you

7:33 PM

I think it's also definitely the unique shape Rufus is that throws me off a bit

7:35 PM

I was given a shape guide for their other character of the same species, it's mostly very similar but trying to figure it out Want to be able to just doodle Rufus casually

7:36 PM

Wanting to make a push to just actually drawing stuff instead of just practice

So a thing to keep in mind about this style is that it's more rooted in being stylistic rather than rooted in concrete perspective. Moreso just drawing appealing shapes than sticking to strict 3D forms

Absolutely true, art really is the interpretation of life, even if something isnt real it doesn't have to be physically accurate. Sergals are great examples of something that isn't real but can look real even if facing the front, it just takes artistic liberties and intuition (edited)

ChrisMono

So a thing to keep in mind about this style is that it's more rooted in being stylistic rather than rooted in concrete perspective. Moreso just drawing appealing shapes than sticking to strict 3D forms

but what would this mean for me trying to draw em?

Foth

I was given a shape guide for their other character of the same species, it's mostly very similar but trying to figure it out Want to be able to just doodle Rufus casually

Draw the boxes, and then after you get the boxes drawn, round out the sharp points. Then add where you think the nose slits, would be, then next work on the eyes after the nose slits are where you want them, then the mouth, then your horns(or ears). Break it down, stop trying to do it all at once at first, it might help?

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12:31 AM

that's just for the head shape though.

Foth

but what would this mean for me trying to draw em?

It means that getting closer to their style will be less learning strict perspective/traditional techniques and more studying their art. Learning their rules for how they draw things

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I ask becuase I want to draw my character n stuff, want to start doodling

Like for example, if you wanted to draw homer Simpson you wouldn't focus on how to draw a realistic human, you would look at the show's style guide, their rules, looking at the show's art, and looking at how to draw similar cartoony styles

12:34 AM

Maybe ask what inspired the original artist's style (edited)

12:34 AM

And look at that stuff too

mhm

12:37 AM

what do you think I -should- be doin rn?

Draw, identify problem area, study problem area, apply to drawing

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12:47 AM

Start off small and focus on specific areas

12:47 AM

Like maybe 5 headshots of different expressions

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Or drawing their legs from different positions and angles

ChrisMono

Like maybe 5 headshots of different expressions

so like trying to draw the body parts disconnected from the body just to get a feel for em?

12:50 AM

also im in pain from tooth extraction, brain not working rn but im listening intently

yeah, targeted practice lets you gets more practice in instead of having to do a whole body each time

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let me be direct about the problem and potential solution i've considered: problem: only manage to study like 2 hours before getting bored solution: I want to get used to drawing as a comfort and then maybe try going at a routine of following the program again

12:52 AM

I want to ideally be working on art all day if possible

12:52 AM

sorry if thats gibberish my brain no work rn

just consistency, if you draw a consistent amount of time then it gets easier to put more time into it

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to be more specific I dont have fun with the type of study im doing, and by the time im done with "study time" Im like done with drawing But since ive weened off gaming I have nothing else to do (besides clean ig)

trying to force long hours is hard when its mentally taxing, like when you're beginning you're having to think about what you're drawing alot harder since its all new (edited)

12:55 AM

once you do it consistently and more of it becomes muscle memory and the shorthand techniques becomed ingrained, then it becomes less taxing to draw and so you can draw for longer

12:56 AM

studying is usually never fun unless you can find a way to make it about something you're interested with

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12:56 AM

but again consistently studying makes that easier too

ChrisMono

once you do it consistently and more of it becomes muscle memory and the shorthand techniques becomed ingrained, then it becomes less taxing to draw and so you can draw for longer

mhm! what im trying to do is pause the "strict study", try to get a baseline down that im comfortable with and I can do without thinking much

12:57 AM

ive only worked on like 3 actual "full" drawings

12:57 AM

I had a lot of fun with them

12:58 AM

I can go back to strict study when im also comfy with drawing when study time is over

12:58 AM

if that makes sense

yea thats well and good, don't worry about how many "full" drawings you got. you can have many unfinished sketches for practicing or getting ideas down on paper

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12:59 AM

the next thing you draw doesn't have to be better than the last, i feel like thats a thing that holds a lot of new artists back

I just feel a lot of my time hasnt been going torwards drawing in general I would begin gesture drawing, then do whatever I was supposed to do for the week- some of it was fun and useful, I liked learning to draw rotating boxes but thats it. like, Id just do gesture drawing then be too exhausted to do anything else

1:02 AM

and I dont think im supposed to only do gesture drawing pff

you ever just doodle n sketch for fun?

no thats what im trying to get to.

i personally think a comprehensive drawing program is better for people who have been drawing for a while, because they'll be in a better position to learn. they'll know what their strengths and weaknesses are and will know how to use the program

1:07 AM

to fill in knowledge gaps

1:07 AM

as well as more ready for longer study periods

this one is for beginners its just starting to get into material I dont care for fsdfkjsdf like I think the guide is structured well if I wanted to draw human faces n stuff im sure id be thrilled with this part

1:08 AM

but also yea I think like

1:09 AM

I at the very least should be at a level where im wanting to doodle in my free time

1:10 AM

what im basically thinking is like... drawing at all right now requires a lot of learning, yea? Im learning a lot of the fundamentals, and they are good and helpful. but what I feel I need to learn rn is just how to draw my character good enough for me to draw stupid stuff to please myself with, so that I can do so in my free time, as a comfort

1:10 AM

and then continue the guide when im already down to draw all day

1:10 AM

idk

again i feel its just consistency, with either character drawing or studying

mhm, just need to figure out how to get consistent

not much to figure out, just doing it the same amount at the same lengths of time

appreciate the help

1:15 AM

would try to apply it right now but im dying

trying to eyeball rufus' head shape based off of the ref (challenge: find out which is my art and which one is drawn by the professional impossible challenge hardcore)

7:36 AM

started off with boxes

Foth

started off with boxes

Box real

Foth

trying to eyeball rufus' head shape based off of the ref (challenge: find out which is my art and which one is drawn by the professional impossible challenge hardcore)

10:03 AM

Get Boxed Nerd. I did wanted to give a short 5 min sketch try at your boxyhead. So yeh I can see its not an easy thing to do to me. The main issue is, I personally struggle with the length of your head and the fact a "mental line" is missing to seperate front of snoot with top of head

10:17 AM

For me the main issue is the roundedness while boxy, ngl c:

Ive noticed something with rotating rectangles specifically

10:54 AM

Im going to try and draw rufus' head in as many different angles as I can and I cant quite completely gauge Rufus' exact head shape but I think its only barely rectangular? like I think a cube with 1.5 x 1.5 x 2 works for the most part, the long part only needs to be noticably longer and thats it

10:55 AM

but I noticed while rotating a rectangle that, when you just begin to rotate it, it for the most part just looks like a cube

10:55 AM

To explain what I mean, this is the rectangle im working with for reference

10:55 AM

this is the same rectangle

10:56 AM

I almost feel like drawing rufus' face on this extreme an angle would be a bit too distorted? maybe I should basically skip drawing at this angle and just draw.. say...

10:57 AM

something like this angle? im not sure, either way just thought this was interesting to point out

SpringingRaptor

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boxx

Foth

boxx

Box

this is the difference in a cube and rectangle being rotated the same (edited)

11:17 AM

there is a noticable difference when they are lined up, but its subtle

Neither of those pictures is a rectangle, wrong screengrab? (edited)

Foth

something like this angle? im not sure, either way just thought this was interesting to point out

No one of them is this

Mink of the End

Neither of those pictures is a rectangle, wrong screengrab? (edited)

Rectangular prism* Am I seeing smthn wrong?

Uh, foreshortening is hard yes

Basically what I was getting at was that at that angle it looks not that different from just a cube

12:24 PM

If Im trying to draw Rufus' head at different angles should I just skip the more subtle angles or hrmm

Try drawing it at difficult angles, but fiddle with them until they look good, even if that requires incorrect perspective.

Basically what I think has clicked in my head is that certain angles are possible to be drawn but just wouldn't look good or be very valuable outside of learning perspective

Yes.

Foth

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Like if I was drawing Rufus at this tight an angle I might aswell just draw a head on view which would be more interesting

That goes for reality as well, look at animals with long snouts or beaks at certain angles. (edited)

12:30 PM

But in art you can fudge it.

Foth

I was given a shape guide for their other character of the same species, it's mostly very similar but trying to figure it out Want to be able to just doodle Rufus casually

If I use this as a reference for Rufus (same species) and look at the head on view I notice it isn't literally a box either, you can see both the mouth holes (which would be near the eyes for Rufus) meaning it's a lot more rounded

12:31 PM

Though I'll have to figure out how to actually express that

12:32 PM

Anyways ty I had a lot of fun learning today

i wanna draw a Rufus now, theyre very fun looking :D

Very box shaped

feel free to but ill squish

10:38 PM

I love ye art :>

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goin on 5 minute break but if any1 has quick criticism

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5:50 PM

these are references im using (nsfw)

crew.pur

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this is a pureref file

Foth

goin on 5 minute break but if any1 has quick criticism

The third one looks incorrect on the snout and ears. The chin should be getting narrower and shorter, the lines atop the snout should be getting further apart, the ears should be getting closer.

i felt smthn off about the 3rd one

6:22 PM

you mean 3rd from the top right?

6:58 PM

Im gonna take a longer break now

6:59 PM

any critique on any of them is much appreciated but these two I definitely feel smthn off about Ill go and tweak the bottom one according to mink's suggestion later

Foth

you mean 3rd from the top right?

Yes

8:30 PM

The third one in English reading order.

im about to go to work but my plan is to refine these a bunch and then use them as future reference

for anyone with an understanding of how pens work in clip studio, I would appreciate some help understanding whats going on here basically a friend gave me their pens, Im really excited using them, I know the pen itself doesnt matter and I could just use any pen and this is near meaningless to the learning problem

Those sure are arrows

but I noticed when drawing that my lines have a taper to them that isnt in any of their drawings- its not just that the line tapers off but it also becomes more transparent

Stabilization?

I know they have a super high transparency and my tablet is less sensitive

Stabilization or input smoothing can cause this.

you can see here they are able to make their lines thinner without it having that weird like..... transparent stuff

5:44 PM

stabilization?

5:44 PM

Ill look into it, also apologies if Im a bit dense mink I appreciate your help fsjkdfhsdkjfh

As can stuff like velocity/speed inputs, if they make fast strokes and you make slower ones, the result will look different.

let me try to see if I can fiddle with them

5:48 PM

It shows there is no stabilization in the pen.. (yes theres a taper but while I call it a taper the problem obviously isnt with the taper itself but how it goes transparent)

Is there global stabilization or smoothing?

I dont think clip studio has global stabilization- I googled it because I was curious if there was something overiding the brush settings but Im not finding anything

There's a "starting and ending" category, that looks suspicious

I will note again, I know that they have super high sensitivity, the brush is made to be crusty and what I originally assumed was that the paint density is just too low with my low sensitivity

I don't know what "high sensitivity" is

by high I mean very sensitive like, they barely put any pressure on the tablet when drawing

That's usually a matter of input settings. Might be worth adjusting your global pressure curve to something less carpal tunnel.

mhm.. hrmm

5:56 PM

i have made a discovery

5:57 PM

I didnt realize but clip studio has a pen sensitivity setting and it adjusts automatically- when fiddling with it I made the taper worse LOL but this tells me that im going in the right direction probably

ive fiddled with it more and found out this is the exact "issue" its the brush density set to pen pressure, if I turn it off completely there is no more transparent taper- but I want it on, just need to figure out how to adjust it to not sperg out

"Density" is a weird translation for opacity?

The brush is made to be crusty, even the line brush i dont know the terminology but its similar to a spray can just in brush form?

6:35 PM

and the density is how much of the paint is applied per stroke

A pixel mask brush works by generating a bunch of "dabs", which are basically stamps. Those get put on the canvas next to each other to make a brush stroke. "Density" could refer to the opacity of the dabs, or it could refer to how densely the dab is populated, i.e. leaving out pixels at lower densities. (edited)

wait I thought I figured it out but I came back to it and that didnt fix it im gonna do more digging my brain is melting pfff

In Krita, "density" is the latter anyway, in which case it'd be the wrong setting yeah

yea I detatched both density of paint and amount of paint from pressure sensitivity, and its still doing this Im gonna start tearing everything down (in a copy brush) and see if anything I do makes it stop doing this lol

6:44 PM

I dont see any other settings tied to pressure at all but its something that only happens when im drawing lightly

6:45 PM

when i draw very hard this doesnt happen

6:49 PM

OK I have isolated the variable

6:49 PM

this was set to 75 and on pen pressure when I turn off pen pressure and set it to 100 it "fixes"

6:49 PM

so it was density

6:50 PM

6:52 PM

this was a pen made for their settings never meant to rlly be readily compatible my theory right now is that their tablet is very sensitive (they draw VERY VERY light) and this setting was set to be more of a very subtle thing and since its tweaked for their settings, my pen pressure was making it have a much more dramatic effect

Yeah, that's likely.

with 100 density and not tied to pressure this is what my tips look like now, which is MUCH better (though I should probably figure out a way to preserve the pressure density setting and just tweak it to mine if I intend to use the brush as it was made)

6:55 PM

ty mink im sorry for my brain being a brick

OMG

7:15 PM

I have just learned a lot about clip studio

7:16 PM

the preview changes in real time and you can literally see as I up the "minimum value" the line becoming more solid

7:17 PM

I just upped it from 0 to 36 minimum and you can see the tips are solid

7:17 PM

I love my red arrows

7:49 PM

IVE LEARNED MORE

7:49 PM

tablet and clip studio pressure settings can conflict with pen pressure settings

7:50 PM

I set both my tablet settings and clip studio settings to a straight line and now am using the unedited version of their pens and its working mostly fine, because their pens have a sensitivity curve built into them (which was conflicting and combining in a weird way with my default)

ive been going at this for 4 hours rahhhhh I hate work Id go at it another 5 if I didnt have to go in to work soon

8:04 PM

grumble grumble

Density and Opacity are very similar; the difference is what happens when you overlap your old stroke: (edited)

Ah, so density is flow

https://youtu.be/4swifTl0_3E

Tck

APPEAL and the OBJECTIVELY GOOD

https://youtu.be/nukzl7_cPCs

JADOKAR

What Do I Have To Offer As An Artist?

3:55 AM

jadokar my beloved

1:15 AM

Turns out if you just look up your question on Google it will at times just bring up the answer lol

1:15 AM

I'm at work and the sketchbook I have is very tiny but

1:15 AM

I just googled how to draw contour lines I'm nowhere near close to understanding but I feel I'm getting closer

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Foth

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thats a really interesting art drill

8:45 PM

good stuff

Jigglebonez

thats a really interesting art drill

https://practicedrawingthis.com/3d-models-index/ Came from this!

3D Model Drawing Reference

Choose among the 3D models on this page, rotate them inside your browser, and draw from reference, works on almost any device!

9:33 PM

https://practicedrawingthis.com/cgi-bin/carousel.cgi?section=free-online-drawing-course&episode=article-practice-drawing-primitive-3d-forms Specifically this

Practice Drawing Primitive 3D Forms

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9:33 PM

If you scroll down a bit it starts to talk about contour lines and gives drawing material

Anyone have any suggestions for aid in drawing elipses and more specifically for the contour lines in straight cylinders, I find I can't make them quite satisfying, what I'm mainly looking for is a way to like.... Check my work

4:07 AM

I have seen a couple practices to draw elipses but dont know how to check if I'm doing it right

Uh, the pictures above look right to me.

I have trouble drawing variations of elipses and elipses in general Circles are mostly easy but when I try to squish it into an elipse I tend to draw very uneven and lopsided

4:24 AM

I figure this is a dexterity/muscle memory issue that I can iron out while at work or otherwise when I just have pen and paper

Yeah.

4:29 AM

The results look fine, I'd say probably just practice to get there quicker.

Foth

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man, i think it's better to just draw and let your line confidence appear naturally from that rather than challenge yourself like this

4:58 PM

because i never had to do what that is wow

that was just like bonus I guess pffft

Foth

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this is what I really want to get down

4:59 PM

that and being able to draw stuff like this

sure that is pretty, but damn that is tedious

5:00 PM

give your cylinders some movement, make them not perfect

I dunno how do that

5:00 PM

5:01 PM

also have a project im working on rn, want to draw my character at a buncha angles and my brain splode

well, all is due on it's own time

Doing some figure drawing after not picking up my pen for too long, feedback welcome

any critique is appreciated! trying to doodle my friends character bein all silly, felt like it, its like a lighthearted thing but I still dont want to insult their character by drawing it too ass fkjsdhfksdjhfksjdh

6:48 PM

character in reference)

done god this is hard I planned on doing more but have no time

Getting happier with my ability to do ellipses and circles

1:02 AM

Wanting to start drawing figures but I've been horribly lazy and gay lately

Learned about ghosting (pretending to draw a line and imagining it before actually placing down the line to be more accurate) And it has helped a ton with elipses, I still suck but it's hella fun

2:46 AM

I think the hard part is definitely trying to contain the eclipse in tight spaces But I tried to draw cylinders in different angles- it's flawed but I started to just feel it -click- in my brain, I wish I could put it into words

This, like, this is what I'm imagining when shortening elipses I just shorten the length or height of the imaginary box

2:55 AM

Why is it sideways

2:55 AM

Aaa I'm just really thrilled learning though it's like.... A ton of mental cheat codes that compound on eachother

2:56 AM

I wish there was a way to learn these mental cheat codes without just having to stumble upon them as it makes life a lot easier having them lol

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(not my art by cuddle) trying to understand shapes now and use my ability to sort of rotate and twist them to use them in construction and understanding

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9:06 PM

if anyone has any advice on body shape construction, I would love to hear it- or how to visualize it better

9:06 PM

Ive noticed I have particular problems finding shapes when a character has a lot of fat

9:07 PM

Like with this piece I can see the head is a box, then the neck is just a cylinder, ribcave is another rounded box but then anything below that is just ?????

9:08 PM

I cant visualize where the hips would rest and how the hips connect to the legs

9:08 PM

Im wanting to be abl eto actually understand the art I see I guess

Foth

Ive noticed I have particular problems finding shapes when a character has a lot of fat

The shapes don't necessarily connect exactly, they can overlap or separate.

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10:08 PM

thank you

10:08 PM

trying to figure this stuff out

Want draw

Foth

Want draw

Squimsh the box primer_smile

ViperSnek

Squimsh the box primer_smile

At work RN but want to draw I'm violent

11:11 PM

I got a lil sketch book I'm doodling in

Forwarded

If you have any material on how to understand this shape in a simplified 3d way I'll eat it up, I have trouble figuring out how the legs connect to the hips and how much space to give for the crotch in-between legs

Originally sent: 2/7/2026 1:31 AM

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1:32 AM

Only shapes I have to look at right now at work are these from a book Pulling from my basic understanding of rotating boxes and also recently learned how to draw elipses

I noticed that there's a clear discrepancy between drawing mechanics when using physical paper and a tablet That being said, is there a practice I can do while at work that will increase my comprehension of drawing?

Foth

I noticed that there's a clear discrepancy between drawing mechanics when using physical paper and a tablet That being said, is there a practice I can do while at work that will increase my comprehension of drawing?

Really anything. I used to practice drawing different shapes at different perspectives back in school out of pure boredom and I think it helped quite a bit.

12:43 AM

I would also trace random artwork I'd find of stuff I like online, first by printing the image out and drawing the lines over another paper, then by transcribing things from one medium to another. Did a bunch of that and it helped steady my linework by a lone, for both straight and curved lines.

Krautzy

Really anything. I used to practice drawing different shapes at different perspectives back in school out of pure boredom and I think it helped quite a bit.

My main thing is I feel like my drawing mechanics on paper is clashing against my drawing mechanics on tablet I started feeling good about drawing elipses on paper and curving lines because ive been practicing at work Got home and got to the tablet and tried to recreate the same shapes and was facing difficulty

12:48 AM

When I first started drawing I didn't recognize the difference between pen on paper and a tablet because I was too bad to consistently draw any shape But now I'm just good enough to be stumped noticing how different they are

Foth

When I first started drawing I didn't recognize the difference between pen on paper and a tablet because I was too bad to consistently draw any shape But now I'm just good enough to be stumped noticing how different they are

Ya. This is a problem most artists hit when they go from one medium to another, esp with traditional to digital. Had this issue myself and still do. The only way to get over that is to just keep practicing with your tablet. There's no real better way without maybe investing a stupid amount of money into a tablet that emulates the texture of paper better (i assume such things exist).

Krautzy

Ya. This is a problem most artists hit when they go from one medium to another, esp with traditional to digital. Had this issue myself and still do. The only way to get over that is to just keep practicing with your tablet. There's no real better way without maybe investing a stupid amount of money into a tablet that emulates the texture of paper better (i assume such things exist).

Mhm .... Rahhh I've been in a lazy slump and a good way to kinda navigate around that has been drawing at work I guess doing that would still help with conceptual problems But I'm slightly miffed that I can't cheat and draw at work with full success lol

12:52 AM

I'm serious about improving but definitely have to fix my habits

Definitely use a stabilizer on your brushes for starters, about 11-12 is good enough for smooth lines without any lag. Work on larger resolutions, 3000x3000 worked for me initially. Also try using smaller pen sizes, I use 5 and low pen sensitivity for sketching/lining now and I have much better control over important things like line weighting

Krautzy

Definitely use a stabilizer on your brushes for starters, about 11-12 is good enough for smooth lines without any lag. Work on larger resolutions, 3000x3000 worked for me initially. Also try using smaller pen sizes, I use 5 and low pen sensitivity for sketching/lining now and I have much better control over important things like line weighting

Ty I have been thinking about what resolution to use n stabilizers

Foth

Mhm .... Rahhh I've been in a lazy slump and a good way to kinda navigate around that has been drawing at work I guess doing that would still help with conceptual problems But I'm slightly miffed that I can't cheat and draw at work with full success lol

Practice on paper is still good. Maybe focus on more abstract concepts like uhhhhhh perspective and such since thats knowledge you can take home with you (edited)

Yeah! Wonder if there's any concept art books for like shapes n stuff I can doodle with

12:56 AM

I appreciate you helping though When I first started drawing there was a big concern that id just give up after a week (as I had tried and done that before) But I feel really nice knowing this desire to improve is engraved in me and even if I put it down for like a month I'll just start desiring to draw again

12:56 AM

Now it's just a matter of getting better habits so my improvement is faster

Foth

I appreciate you helping though When I first started drawing there was a big concern that id just give up after a week (as I had tried and done that before) But I feel really nice knowing this desire to improve is engraved in me and even if I put it down for like a month I'll just start desiring to draw again

Those burnout periods usually come when you do a lot of learning. It's good to take breaks and just let your brain stew over everything while you enjoy yourself/do other things. Just be sure not to fall into the trap of always procastrinating, you'll have to force yourself to draw at somepoint in order to get the mood for it back.

Mhm and I plan on it, rn I'm doing irl stuff that's gonna distract me for the next month but it's fun learning

anyone have any good facial expression references

9:25 AM

like a sheet or smthn?

9:25 AM

want to doodle silly faces

None tho I really oughta make a pureref file

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@Rhodesy

ChrisMono

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ITS GONE

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ITS GONE

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Thanks bbg :3

not the green thing

@Rhodesy

Why tho

gapes

oh when you said its gone i was confused because i still saw it

Mink of the End

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Woah!!!

1:54 AM

The gape Gatsby

Yeah Discord caches it

Yo Mystery Ping what happened

Phantasmagoria𓅓

Yo Mystery Ping what happened

@Phantasmagoria𓅓 don't worry about it

1:22 AM

It will forever remain a mystery

Mink of the End

@Phantasmagoria𓅓 don't worry about it

Oh don’t fret, I’m not worried about it I’m angry about it lol

1:24 AM

I was pinged in 5 channels on here

I pinged you because I really wanted to

Don't be angry at them Kal

1:24 AM

They just wanted

My rage knows no bounds

I'm just a lil guy

You now face godlike judgment, may it extend eternally

I actually have a very odd question to ask and it's art relevant but In a very like.... Obscure way

Hit me

This is a question for Dms mainly This isn't a vent, I'm ok, I'm considering the application of therapy for multiple reasons but one that interests me is trying to build better habits and pursue goals more effectively If anyone here has experience with therapy please hmu I'm like dudhfhfhfgdgd

1:34 AM

This isn't only art related ofc, I'm wanting to improve in general But I definitely don't want to go "hello therapist person I've really enjoyed pursuing my goals of drawing anthro rabbits eating eachother mhm"

1:38 AM

Like just imagining going "yeah I've really been enjoying drawing it's been making me happy" and them going "what have you been drawing"

1:41 AM

Anyways I got a few months before I try this out anyways, appreciate any dms till then :>

Wait sorry I’ll get back to you when I’m not so busy

All g!

Foth

This is a question for Dms mainly This isn't a vent, I'm ok, I'm considering the application of therapy for multiple reasons but one that interests me is trying to build better habits and pursue goals more effectively If anyone here has experience with therapy please hmu I'm like dudhfhfhfgdgd

learn to enjoy boredom and not escape from it using videogames/youtube/porn/whatever else

10:08 AM

that's how it was for me at least

10:09 AM

and recently i noticed i get bored while watching youtube and that would make me want to do something else, usually eating/porn/more youtube videos. So i just started to have something productive open on a second screen that i can switch to when i get bored of youtube

annoy

learn to enjoy boredom and not escape from it using videogames/youtube/porn/whatever else

I weened off games entirely and that helped a lot, been playing a couple games again because Im gonna be very busy but yarr, toning down on time wasters helps

5:05 PM

I had an irl situation that reverted me a bit, dropped the good habits I was doing, stopped going out to buy groceries on time / meal prepping / exercising etc Next month I'm gonna be doing CDL schooling for 6 weeks to far a better job, and I figured if I'm gonna get insurance I could actually try therapy out

So I'm making some older (2023) art into prints for LVFC and this is one I'm trying to just do some.. like minor lighting adjustments but Idk if I'm over thinking it at this point/if I should just leave it as it was. (edited)

8:06 AM

First one is the Original. Basically just trying to.. shift values to make the stomach acid look brighter instead of the entire piece being so bright

Kahea

First one is the Original. Basically just trying to.. shift values to make the stomach acid look brighter instead of the entire piece being so bright

YESSSS I can’t quite explain it but the second one definitely feels better in front of my eyedbarls

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1:57 PM

You still have all the layer info from the project file right?? I would hate to think that you’re like… manually going in and recoloring 🫣

Rhodesy

You still have all the layer info from the project file right?? I would hate to think that you’re like… manually going in and recoloring 🫣

So some parts are layered and other parts kinds got merged when iwnss painting. The character is isolated for thr most part so editing him is easy

7:14 PM

All I did was slap on like a hard light (I think) layer of purpleish color over the cat and lightly erase some areas i wanted to stay brighter. Not too tricky

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Kahea

First one is the Original. Basically just trying to.. shift values to make the stomach acid look brighter instead of the entire piece being so bright

yeah just make the character less bright to give this picture more contrast

How do you guys stomach lineart… My style, in the way that’s most efficient for me, has a sketchy quality by nature, but if someone wants a flat coloured pic it means I can’t fill bucket my way through unless I make a neat outline. And that process is miserable

10:58 PM

(Funnily enough I typed this out like 2 months ago and then today thought of saying the exact same thing, so I came in to ask and the message was already ready to post since last I checked this channel. Same wording I was about to use too lmao)

10:58 PM

Obviously I just haven’t found a lineart process I like but god I don’t think I’ll like any process of it lmao

Epheret

How do you guys stomach lineart… My style, in the way that’s most efficient for me, has a sketchy quality by nature, but if someone wants a flat coloured pic it means I can’t fill bucket my way through unless I make a neat outline. And that process is miserable

I initially read this as "How do you guys do stomach lineart" lmao

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1:29 AM

I very much the same issue with lineart, in fact its the part where I tend to procrastinate the most on a drawing. Painting goes much faster, even.

Yeah riiiight same!

Anyhow, I suppose it doesn't matter too much if your lines end up being on the sketchier side if you're satisfied with them. Cleaning up your linework is always the hardest part of a drawing imo because it's the part where, if you haven't perfected your sense of shapes and volumes n such, you'll notice a lot of flaws since the sketchier nature tends to leave more room for your imagination to make it look good

1:33 AM

Always be researching, looking up guides and referencing art styles you like a lot. Something I started doing recently was switching the pen pressure sensitivity so that all my lines end up being very light, then making several passes when lining it in as though I was drawing traditionally

1:35 AM

It's a bit of a vague advice but I haven't seen too much of your artistic progress to know what exactly your struggling with

Epheret

How do you guys stomach lineart… My style, in the way that’s most efficient for me, has a sketchy quality by nature, but if someone wants a flat coloured pic it means I can’t fill bucket my way through unless I make a neat outline. And that process is miserable

Can I see your drawing?

1:36 AM

Or your art!

Krautzy

It's a bit of a vague advice but I haven't seen too much of your artistic progress to know what exactly your struggling with

Oh yeah I guess I haven’t posted much here huh! One moment pfft

💾//:Winded💚

Can I see your drawing?

Not a specific drawing but I’ll go get some stuff haha

Epheret

Not a specific drawing but I’ll go get some stuff haha

1:41 AM

I Do a bunch of illustration and line work

1:42 AM

The main thing is that linework usually takes the longest

1:43 AM

either approach has it's advantages, but still will take time as most artist do

1:44 AM

I will give some pointers on it

1:46 AM

Main thing when it comes to line work there are two methods vector or hand drawn with clean up

1:48 AM

Vector makes the lining process a lot faster, but downside is that it doesn't put any of the darker muscle areas like it, because it's just lining and is not going to act like what you are drawing is a 3D shape

1:48 AM

1:49 AM

This type of line would be hard to do with Vectors

1:52 AM

Meanwhile if U take the hand drawn method it will take longer, but allows U to add darkness on your lines where there will be no light present creating kinda like the concave line I screenshotted on the buttox

1:53 AM

When it comes to line work, don't think of it as just outlining your character, but also as contour

Yeah. Vector is honestly great if you don't care too much about using your linework to imply depth. Good for a more cartoony style and cellshading

Better example of line quality From Kyomi

1:56 AM

1:58 AM

Anywhere light can't be present add darkness through your Line work to that, because usually your lines will be your darkest value on your character

2:01 AM

Anything that overlapse I front of the character usually uses lighter more lines as to not make the lines will be that way as to not have the line work look the same as the line work on the external parts

2:02 AM

Basically you don't want inner detail line work look directly connected to the outer otherwise it looks like a tangent

2:03 AM

Also I have two more tips

2:03 AM

Use textured pens when doing line work

2:04 AM

It's a personal prefers I know, but I was a bit dismissive of the at first, but adding texture to your drawing gives a lot more personalit

2:07 AM

I was supposed to finish this by easter but

2:08 AM

2:11 AM

Textured line work looks a lot more sound to me than the perfect lining pens I used to use

2:14 AM

Last tip I will give for lining is that when a 3D object is close make them thicker and further away make it lighter, but be mindful of your 3D shape and the contour and tangents

2:16 AM

I Hope it helps ^^

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Epheret

Oh yeah I guess I haven’t posted much here huh! One moment pfft

Also if My explanation was a bit confusing and U don't know about tangents, I copied this video at a specific time

2:22 AM

https://youtu.be/4swifTl0_3E?t=1022

Tck

APPEAL and the OBJECTIVELY GOOD

I've had this video opened up on a separate tab for like a month now :S

2:23 AM

I gotta watch it sometime xvx

I will keep recommending this video till the end of time

2:25 AM

Soo if U haven't and want to learn give it a watch it helped me understand a lot moree

💾//:Winded💚

I was supposed to finish this by easter but

Okay whooooooo this is a looootta good stuff! This piece looks freaking adorable by the way !! Got a liiiiittle bit sidetracked irl so my bad haha, I was typing out something and getting my stuff but ended up taking forever to get back hehe -w-

2:28 AM

Here’s some examples of my stuff thus far I actually have no issue with my style itself, the sketchy texture is like my signature thing that everyone knows me for haha The issue is that flat colour just is an annoying hassle because I can’t paint bucket (I legit haven’t used that tool in years) and have to manually colour everything, and even then it doesn’t pop as well unless I actually do lineart… it’s so frustrating that I usually prefer not to do it ever @w@

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Epheret

Okay whooooooo this is a looootta good stuff! This piece looks freaking adorable by the way !! Got a liiiiittle bit sidetracked irl so my bad haha, I was typing out something and getting my stuff but ended up taking forever to get back hehe -w-

It's fine, I understand

Epheret

Here’s some examples of my stuff thus far I actually have no issue with my style itself, the sketchy texture is like my signature thing that everyone knows me for haha The issue is that flat colour just is an annoying hassle because I can’t paint bucket (I legit haven’t used that tool in years) and have to manually colour everything, and even then it doesn’t pop as well unless I actually do lineart… it’s so frustrating that I usually prefer not to do it ever @w@

2:30 AM

Ookay

1. I love that sekret butt shot a whole lot

2:31 AM

2. Okay yeah we completely misunderstood what you meant XvX

unfortunately most of my examples of actual flat colour are either old or feature kinks I don't think are in this server but

I think your sketches are fine, if U want line work then I recommend just cleaning up your sketches (edited)

Epheret

unfortunately most of my examples of actual flat colour are either old or feature kinks I don't think are in this server but

Pretty much anything goes as long as you tag it, save for anything that breaks Discord TOS naturally!

Here are like the only two lined pieces I have offhand Ironically not the example of the sort of thing I’m trying to do lol….

2:32 AM

Oh all right! xP

As for flat coloring uuhhh, have you tried using a watchamacallit...

2:33 AM

Anti-overflow pen brush?

2:33 AM

For context it's a brush that setting that makes it so your lines don't cross over the lines on your reference layer

So CW: Diapers But here’s stuff that has more of a lining style that I actually find visually appealing. The pigeon one is my favourite by far (edited)

SPOILER

It's still prone to mistakes esp if you havent closed your shapes properly, but I find it works a lot better than the paint bucket

Epheret

Here are like the only two lined pieces I have offhand Ironically not the example of the sort of thing I’m trying to do lol….

Thicken your line quality in darker areas with the contour

2:35 AM

And make sure to make lines thicker with closer objects

2:35 AM

Also add highlights

Oh yah.

Krautzy

Anti-overflow pen brush?

I've not explored that actually I dunno what the settings for that is on CSP and it's probably not even a thing in Procreate buuuuuuuut.... it sounds like something nice to have. My biggest problem is just that my brush texture makes it so something like a fill bucket is actually too exact and precise on the pixel for fill bucket to actually feel nice haha. If this sort of brush can fix that that'd be great xP

💾//:Winded💚

And make sure to make lines thicker with closer objects

Oh I do intend to do this one, especially now that I'm doing more perspective work, but as far as like line quality and thickness stuff goes I'm kinda happy where I have it personally. My issue is more just that I don't want to do lineart like at all. If I could consistently get away with it like in those first two coloured pieces I posted I would so much rather do that haha ~w~ but unfortunately the last three pieces I posted look kinda good to me (edited)

The bucket tool thing, is it like leaving a bunch of transparent pixels around your linework?

2:40 AM

It kinda sounds like you wanna do painting if you don't want to do linework

I do painting! I actually prefer that! I feel like I only have a flat colour tier to my comms to make something more affordable for people, and also to broaden my horizons

I see I see!

But though I like the idea of having flat colours I just don't like doing it. I hate it so much lol

2:41 AM

I like the results I get sometimes but again it's just a slog. Especially when there are parts I don't want to make a decision for yet, like miniscule details I'm unsure about lol

Well, the anti-overflow pen stuff worked great for me in any case... You can use it to erase too, so what I normally would do is use it to fill in all my colored spaces with a flat gray layer, use the anti-overflow to erase all the bleedout and then lock my layer to edit non-transparent pixels only

2:42 AM

(I think it's called alpha lock but CSP doesnt use that term)

mhmm it's alpha lock elsewhere I'll have to honestly just try one out lol or make one

2:44 AM

I'd have to have a pen that is... my signature pen... so I'd have to edit it or make my own, but it'd be nice haha

It's a setting you can toggle under brush settings, lemme see if I can get a screenie

Winded mentioned the texture brush and it's funny cause that's literally all I use Outside of a pixel brush, I am allergic to fully solid brushes

2:45 AM

Forgor it had its own tab.

Ooooh I see I see...

But yeah, try using that as a ghetto paint bucket.

I'll have to start using CSP again...... ughhhhhh..... beggars can't be choosers though xP I'll still have to figure something out for Procreate though, cause it does not have that lol

I usually have it set to a big size and use it over the bucket tool since the latter is really garbage in CSP

Epheret

I'll have to start using CSP again...... ughhhhhh..... beggars can't be choosers though xP I'll still have to figure something out for Procreate though, cause it does not have that lol

Be mindful that if your textured brush leaves gaps, the overflow setting might not work very well

2:48 AM

Also Procreate doesnt feature an anti-overflow setting from a cursory google search, sadly :(

2:49 AM

Could just use CSP to fill in the colors, then export it back to Procreate..? (Idk if they have compatible file types, probably do tho since most software supports psd) (edited)

They do but we'll have to see haha I have to ideally find a way to stomach lineart on purely procreate, since that's my main one

2:50 AM

(It's portable, that's what I got the tablet for. Since I travel a lot, it's very convenient)

2:50 AM

I actually broke up with CSP after spending a year with this tablet xP

Is the bucket tool just leaving a bunch of transparent pixels along your linework, or is it bleeding out and coloring the whole canvas?

Either or depending on the picture

Huhh. Well, the first one you can sorta get around by increasing the tolerance on the bucket tool, if Procreate supports that

2:52 AM

Essentially allows the bucket to expand its fill radius by whatever amount you set it to. But I personally found that it doesn't work very well with CSP.

Yeah it works only a liiiiittle better in procreate. I legitimately save time just outlining with the main colour and filling that in lol

2:54 AM

It'll probably honestly just take me suffering through till I see what sticks xP And of course trying out a few of the things Thank you both for your input though, genuinely appreciate it haha. Sorry to be stubborn about it

(edited)

Of course. Hope any of the things I suggested helps, Ive had the same headaches with coloring back when I started experimenting with it so I know the frustration

2:56 AM

It's one of the reasons I don't use wildly textured brushes for linework anymore, too much trouble with getting the lines to fill in xvx

8:00 PM

Anyone know how I can improve his sketch?

8:04 PM

It feels cluttered with the fur

I found some of the problem head is not properly aligned

8:31 PM

left eye had to be changed a bit

8:33 PM

also some of the fur is not properly in perspective on right side

8:38 PM

Also facial expression feels too stiff, not very expressive

What expression were you wanting to do?

any advice and critique on the shading/lighting, very inexperienced and looking for pointers :V (not on jerma) (edited)

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