Probably a Art Chat - server-discussion

Put all your server ideas here, to help in organizing, cleaning up, and Adding to the current server.

death grips channel

Tutorial channel

9:49 PM

9:50 PM

gaming channel and vc? and a tutor vc for teaching artists

9:50 PM

so we dont have 2 interactions overlapping in the artist vc

9:50 PM

thats happened like 3 times now :x

I like these

3d corner?

Was gonna say, a little role that tells others they're eager to tutor peeps

2d art and 3d art xd

Kah/Cal

Was gonna say, a little role that tells others they're eager to tutor peeps

E

I can give guitar lessons (edited)

9:52 PM

Kah/Cal

Was gonna say, a little role that tells others they're eager to tutor peeps

A tutor role would be good

Verprey

so we dont have 2 interactions overlapping in the artist vc

I think it'll help a bit yeah, I was tutoring pho a while back and everyone was overlapping with eachother

9:52 PM

Buuuut too many rooms will also be an issue, so we should be critical and concise?

9:53 PM

I'm not sure, would it be an issue?

Kah/Cal

Buuuut too many rooms will also be an issue, so we should be critical and concise?

too many rooms?

9:53 PM

not an issue i wouldnt think

9:53 PM

its an artist server: if it's busy, it's creating

so my idea is; there should be a channel, like any other channel, but only bunnies are allowed

The Awesome Buneater (18+)

so my idea is; there should be a channel, like any other channel, but only bunnies are allowed

Hmmm... As long as people are definitely using the rooms for studious learning, we can peek the discord stream preview right?

The Awesome Buneater (18+)

so my idea is; there should be a channel, like any other channel, but only bunnies are allowed

#rabbit-hole-general

yES

The Awesome Buneater (18+)

yES

no you dingus

blue is a know discriminator towards innocent buns

good

A room designated rooms and roles for specific kinks! So if you're into vore you have a dedicated tab! And those into only inflation, too— sorry if this was said already, I'm at work

there is no such thing as an innocent bun

D:

Oh I have a suggestion but dunno if it should just be connected to the art tips and tutorials channel

10:01 PM

It pertains to brushes

10:01 PM

Peeps can share brushes they see online, or brush settings they have to help peeps

oh, how about a #homemade-shitpost-art channel?

Kah/Cal

Peeps can share brushes they see online, or brush settings they have to help peeps

oooh good idea

Azserfy

oh, how about a #homemade-shitpost-art channel?

Holy shit, just a server for gremlin art?

10:02 PM

I love gremlin art

I second the idea of specific kinks and channels for those who aren’t ok with specifics

Shit post art channel would be good

Kevin Sojitzl

A room designated rooms and roles for specific kinks! So if you're into vore you have a dedicated tab! And those into only inflation, too— sorry if this was said already, I'm at work

I feel like the list of kink roles would become rather long, but figuring out a way to have less while doing more will ber considered

Krautzy

Shit post art channel would be good

that can fit under memes

Kinks is too a broad spectrum I think, if you like lewds,what kind of lewds, if you like vore, what kinda vore u.u (edited)

a specific channel for the obscure bunny kink

what would be the worst channel to possibly have? I'll start: #political-rant

blegh yuck

I mean it's not a bad idea to have vore roles and whatnot, it's mostly at the back end of the list anyway

vore furries ranting about politics

everyone makes a rantsona

Some broader roles for preferences are probably fine, not so sure about rooms. Tends to just stop people from posting art imo. (the mature/adult/extreme ones we have now are fine though) (edited)

True true

what about a channel for other forms of artistic expression?

10:07 PM

like music?

10:07 PM

or

10:07 PM

bread

I like welcoming more genre's of art

perhaps writing or

10:10 PM

bread making

Geese writes right?

10:10 PM

Who was that person again? Who was working as a baker?

potentially me!!!

Aaaaaah I dunno I think there was another, I love all things cooking, gardening, and baking. Unfortunately don't have a good oven, but I can still make damn good chiffon cakes outta' the dinky thing

i think annoy thought i was a baker

10:12 PM

but uh

10:13 PM

im only in culinary school

10:13 PM

i would certainly post culinary stuff here if there was a channel for it!!!!

I can make a mean Thai yellow curry and Pad Thai. Mostly thai dishes lol

now we need a curry channel

Oooh!! Then you aren't the baker person I bumped into in vc the other day

#sfwish-art should have -chat at the end, or -chat should be removed from the end of #deleted-channel and #nsfl-art

10:26 PM

On top of that, i also second the notion of channels under the art category for things like music. BUT, then the VC channels will need to be consolidated. We don't need a general vc, an artist vc, AND an art session vc, do we? There has never been three simultaneous VC get-togethers before, and if it did happen i'm sure two of them would blob together.

Kah/Cal

Oooh!! Then you aren't the baker person I bumped into in vc the other day

i'd love to meet them!!

The Awesome Buneater (18+)

bread making

A foodporn channel could be fun!

Pure

A foodporn channel could be fun!

!!!!!

10:36 PM

Bro if the chef or bakers in the chat sent foodporn pics and sent the full recipes and whole process

10:36 PM

Oh dear lord

10:36 PM

I would coom

Kah/Cal

Bro if the chef or bakers in the chat sent foodporn pics and sent the full recipes and whole process

Then I have a place to put my World Famous Black Bean Hamburger Helper.

Black bean?! Wait, the sweet beans?

10:38 PM

HOLY JESUS I THINK I SMELL THE NEIGHBOR STARTING THEIR HOMEFRONT NOODLESHOP

I'm gonna put my brown bean paws in a bowl recipe in there Step one: let me put my paws in your dish

They're like, just outside our door beside our house, Oh god this is so cruel, I can smell them make food every morning now fml

Kah/Cal

Who was that person again? Who was working as a baker?

ME

10:43 PM

i AM A BAKER

10:43 PM

caps lock again

bluebakes???????

Kennyyeen

i AM A BAKER

OOOHHH IT UUUU

11:04 PM

Yeah it's blueee

11:05 PM

Please teach me the ways of the dough man

11:05 PM

I wanna learn basic milk bread, I've made soft breads before but I wanna make it so that it's fool proof and it's the exact same everytime

Zalia @ FWA

I'm gonna put my brown bean paws in a bowl recipe in there Step one: let me put my paws in your dish

Edible paw fetish????

I mean you can try to eat them if you want, but it's not gonna be fun for me

Kennyyeen

I like welcoming more genre's of art

Categorize all new sections so people can mute or mark as read or collapse tabs pertaining to things they dont pay attention to. it'll also help simplify the list on the side

11:21 PM

A "Gamer" and "Game Dev" role? :o The latter needing verification so people with it aren't as normal as a Gamer

11:21 PM

Gamer role would also toggle visibility of the Gaming channels and vcs

Okay I'm actually actively against a gaming role or anything encouraging games here

1:13 AM

This is supposed to be art channel, and I get enough people encouraging me to play games and enough groups where thats All That Happens elsewhere

GAMER ROLE LET'S GO!!!

You're not Nevada

1:16 AM

What did you do to the real one

What makes you say we aren't him?

Jokes on you, gartic phone is an art game that's allowed

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if geese is against a gaming role, is he against a bunny role???????????????

yes

not the green thing

Okay I'm actually actively against a gaming role or anything encouraging games here

For once I agree with geese

"For once"

annoy

death grips channel

BANGER IDEA

what's a death grip channel

Channel to talk about death grips

6:47 PM

Why is he so big

YEAH THERE HE IS

Azserfy

what's a death grip channel

You’ll find out when I fucking GET YOU

this is about strangling sharks??

No this about how grippy my guts are

6:55 PM

6:59 PM

that's reassurring

6:59 PM

...

6:59 PM

death is an exaggeration kals guts are very safe and friendly

what if the server had a leveling system

5:10 PM

Because that would mean that someone can get better than Aussy and I can't let that happen (edited)

not the green thing

Because that would mean that someone can get better than Aussy and I can't let that happen (edited)

i have seen discord bots that straight up let you play pokemon with daily rewards

5:28 PM

it's wild

I've seen that bot but I think it got discontinued or shut down? Probably similar things still out there tho

probably nuked by nintendo themselves

Yeah leveling system would be shit

devil's advocate here: why tho

6:52 PM

Do you want other people feel like shit?

yeah that's what i'm thinking

6:52 PM

servers with bots where you level up for being active is like the worst thing ever

Spamcouragement

7:13 PM

I am gonna level up Aussy though

7:14 PM

There we go

7:19 PM

add my gif

7:19 PM

ChrisMono

Click to see attachment 🖼️

not the green thing

should i give you a higher resolution one

7:31 PM

slightly bigger, dont think it makes much of a difference

I gotchu b

ChrisMono

should i give you a higher resolution one

oh yeah the hd one looks better

How about you gain a level every time you draw Geese in gartic

8:47 PM

I would be top level uwu

lol

8:50 PM

absolutely

8:51 PM

NOT

8:51 PM

as a reminder: hopfel exists and draws 100 geeses a minute

Oh damn

8:55 PM

U right I cannot compete with that speed

Missile

How about you gain a level every time you draw Geese in gartic

should be the other way around tbh

10:06 PM

you start at 100 and it ticks down

10:07 PM

reach 0 and we ban you for LIFE

leveling system, but the bot has its own spam channel no-one can see and it never @'s you you dont know what level you are ever and at level 50 you can change the name of an admin once, then have your level reset

11:34 PM

#name-change becomes visible

11:34 PM

becomes invisible when you lose the "Empowered" level 50 role

...no, no, let the man talk.

Okay that's actually not a bad idea

Verprey

#name-change becomes visible

name change is done by the bot

3:37 AM

so it's instantaneous and quick

Missile

I would be top level uwu

that would be me actualy

12:13 AM

aslong as it tracks retroactively >:3

I don't necessarily have a better idea yet, but would we be able to think of a better way to have refs available that's better than #deleted-channel ? I've just really struggled to navigate the dumbass layout on discord so often and I've even had times where a few people's refs have plain not been visible

how bout everyone just posts a single ref in the respective chat of that event

8:06 PM

everyone who is participating

8:06 PM

along with their name or aliases

Unfortunately I have the same problems as missile but idk, a better option doesn't seem available than using the forum channel

8:07 PM

I've found that the more times you hang out with people the better you know their character tho so there's that

8:08 PM

It's just in the situation of a 1 minute timer gartic round that browsing the forum channel becomes difficult because nothing's sorted

like if 5 people playing gartic, then those 5 put one of their refs in that channel along with all the names they could go by, it can be in a special channel that wipes after every event

What about that neat yet mostly redundant built in text chat discord stuck onto all voice channels?

that one can get cluttered and most people dont know its there

the reference channel is sorted by last comment (edited)

8:12 PM

all participants could comment their own ref post then delete the comment, to bring it on top of the list

the only idea I can think of is maybe like a google drive? Or a link to somehitn external and outside of discord? Idk, I have two issues with the current system. One: people are hard to find and the order is based off recent activity so it's constantly shifting as new things post (plus some end up sinking to the bottom and/or disappearing). Two: it's nice that people can comment and add more but then I find I'm scrolling through text to try and find the best ref

8:15 PM

and the UI on discord is a bit meh too. I absolutely HATE finding the scroll bar

8:15 PM

(it's here btw)

discord sux, put all refs in telegram

annoy

discord sux, put all refs in telegram

I’m sorry, huh?? We goin cross platform now??

telegram and discord both have their strengths and nothing makes me >:\ more than seeing discord try to appropriate the strengths of other platforms like when they tried to do their own stickers but just invented larger discord emotes because they forgot how stickerpacks work and that it needs to be free

Missile

I don't necessarily have a better idea yet, but would we be able to think of a better way to have refs available that's better than #deleted-channel ? I've just really struggled to navigate the dumbass layout on discord so often and I've even had times where a few people's refs have plain not been visible

if you have the vc open, in vc chat, paste the discord link to your oc reference forum post

3:03 AM

go into your discord settings and find and enable developer mode

3:04 AM

https://discord.com/channels/888970103654350949/1063346377272336475/1122927674361393334

3:04 AM

you can now right click a post and get a direct link to it

Verprey

if you have the vc open, in vc chat, paste the discord link to your oc reference forum post

This is unironically what we should be doing

not the green thing

This is unironically what we should be doing

or have aan admin do that

2:56 PM

it may even be possible to do this with a discord bot

Anybody who can make Discord bots is free to do that and probably become an admin

@not the green thing no drama???

7:02 AM

because everyone is an artist

7:02 AM

literally not a single person here can ask for free art lmao

I'm also finally setting up an example server for an Art Feed the discord alternative for Twitter

not the green thing

Anybody who can make Discord bots is free to do that and probably become an admin

I have experience running several servers and can run bots

there's a Art forum for Followers and Artists to Post in and a Art Feed forum for only artists to post in, but receive follower comments

7:31 AM

artists and followers will have their own corners to hang out in seperate from the other, unless the artist picks up a "Visitor" or Volunteer Mod role

7:32 AM

Artists staying seperate should keep the social anxiety down but also allow for posting wip art without people like non-patrons seeing early access stuff :V

Trite

I have experience running several servers and can run bots

Do it bimch

8:12 AM

Please

8:12 AM

P, please,,,

Sure

8:16 AM

What bots do you want

8:16 AM

Just gimme admin and I can do it rn

@Zalia @ FWA quick kidnap him!

8:16 AM

GRAB HIM

8:17 AM

I dunno atm talk it over with Zalia and they can get you the admin, I'm in class rn otherwise I'd also respond to Verdrusk

Lol

8:17 AM

Wait question

8:17 AM

Who actually runs the server

8:17 AM

Aka who is the owner

It's geese

8:19 AM

He owns the server

8:19 AM

And hopfel owns geese

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So why isn't Geese in a position to give me any roles

8:28 AM

Oh wait

8:28 AM

He's in class I just read that

8:28 AM

I am dumb

Trite

He's in class I just read that

in class

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Azserfy

And hopfel owns geese

Wrong! Geese cannot be tamed.

I will sit on you

Azserfy

I will sit on you

Geese can maybe be STOPPED but tamed he will not

I'm just a little guy..

but all changed when the sponge nation attacked

Шня

I'm just a little guy..

You weren't the only one to speak up though-- hell, you weren't even the only Russian to say it was better before. Assuming you're talking about that. Hi Nick.

Why did you bring up me being Russian wtf

can we just agree to bite geese and bite geese and bite geese?

1

1

1

I will bite geese and null

presents tail

1

10:36 AM

its okay I am into that

c:

Шня

Why did you bring up me being Russian wtf

Funny racism

:c

Putin Surprise Attack

10:44 AM

Hi, it's me, bald. You might recognize me from all those bear videos.

I don't make fun of you for being American

Royal ludroth lash!

I never made fun of you for being Russian

Just what I need to complete my mid game set

I weep

Wait Nick did anything I say sound like I was making fun at your expense

10:46 AM

Am sorry aaaa it was never my intention ;w;

Nah I don't think so

10:48 AM

I just don't like Russia brought up nowadays

It was however mine

10:48 AM

Nick you are small and gay

I'd feel weird weighing in on this issue cause I was probably one of those "too many people that joined" ^^"

Azserfy

Nick you are small and gay

You too!

Naaah I'm as straight as kobolds come

So really fucking gay

Missile

I'd feel weird weighing in on this issue cause I was probably one of those "too many people that joined" ^^"

Idk, It wouldn't be fair to restrict people from joining, some people will just have to deal with it that's all

10:51 AM

I don't think there's an out for this situation

Well I'd describe it as "straight BUT-"

I give az $20

Okay you may squeeze my tail for 20 minutes

Omg,,,

10:52 AM

Шня

I just don't like Russia brought up nowadays

That's fair, from now on I'll describe you as originating directly from previous-vore reformation. Nick is a survivor.

Imagine reforming

Missile

I'd feel weird weighing in on this issue cause I was probably one of those "too many people that joined" ^^"

Wouldn't be the same without you here, Kiss-ile. o3o

Шня

Imagine reforming

Nick is not a survivor.

missile is nice uwu

not the green thing

Wouldn't be the same without you here, Kiss-ile. o3o

That doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing I'm here! >w<

Шня

missile is nice uwu

Aaaa thanks Nick ^^"

Шня

Imagine reforming

when i say that i liked the server more when it was smaller i don't mean that anyone in particular ruins it, you all are great. I just miss the cozy vibes it used to have before so many people got here, and even if i like those people i can't help but feel anxious in large groups

Шня

when i say that i liked the server more when it was smaller i don't mean that anyone in particular ruins it, you all are great. I just miss the cozy vibes it used to have before so many people got here, and even if i like those people i can't help but feel anxious in large groups

Social Anxiety VC for the lil squibs among us

AMNOG US??????????????????

not the green thing

Social Anxiety VC for the lil squibs among us

Yeah but that's inevitably leads to missing out on things as well

11:15 AM

though it is a nice addition

not the green thing

Social Anxiety VC for the lil squibs among us

hhhhnnnn why was i pinged i just woke up

11:57 AM

someone gimme 12CCs of coffee and a TLDR

not the green thing

@Zalia @ FWA quick kidnap him!

^^

Zalia @ FWA

hhhhnnnn why was i pinged i just woke up

I already did it though, Zalia, I went to his DMs

Шня

when i say that i liked the server more when it was smaller i don't mean that anyone in particular ruins it, you all are great. I just miss the cozy vibes it used to have before so many people got here, and even if i like those people i can't help but feel anxious in large groups

we need a minecraft server to bond in

I don't like Minecraft

like str8 up use a plug in or something that gives you a daily quest, visit random player's house and leave a gift to receive a gift incentivize visiting random people (edited)

4:00 PM

dammit :v

I don't have the time for minectaft I'm in a realm with a few friends tho

:3

4:38 PM

Moincraft

@Aussy Floofderg has a server we can steal into if y'all want it

not the green thing

@Aussy Floofderg has a server we can steal into if y'all want it

Imagine stealing in floofderg.mc.gg smh

With bots added, maybe a separate channel for bot commands? Or at least one for the music bot as #no-mic looks a bit full now

2:27 AM

Mostly cause in servers this small I loke to check every message but I'd wanna mute channels full with bot commands ^^"

A music bot channel would be nice

2:28 AM

Something everyone can mute

2:29 AM

There's already a bot command channel that's up and out of the way, and besides, Apollo, the event bot I put in here, only needed to be set up once, so it will just ping groups during and 30 minutes before events

Trite

There's already a bot command channel that's up and out of the way, and besides, Apollo, the event bot I put in here, only needed to be set up once, so it will just ping groups during and 30 minutes before events

It's not accessible to normies atm though because I was using it only for YAGPDB stuff for like ever

Oh yeah

6:25 AM

I mean if people want fun bots like NotSoBot we can make that a thing

6:25 AM

A channel for the music bot would be good too

unpopular opinion

8:40 AM

list admins sperate so when people need help, they can @ an admin

The role is still there and can be pinged

8:43 AM

It's just not seperate from the lineup (edited)

And! There's a list in #information

8:49 AM

We talked with Zalia about that

Community Events Forum

9:03 AM

for art tutoring or game nights and such

or even game planning

9:29 AM

like when everyone was playing terraria for a month back in February

as a suggestion to the "we have so many posts to sift through", I still think we should encourage/enforce people to "bump" their posts to the top when participating in a group draw so everyone can find refs for each other easier

counter-suggestion: people can grab post links to their respective forum channel posts and all put them in no-mic at the beginning of a gartic event as a sort of quick lookup table

Suggestion: change the server shark theme to fox. Instead of a shart chat, it's a fart chat

ChrisMono

Suggestion: change the server shark theme to fox. Instead of a shart chat, it's a fart chat

Make it fart shat and you got urself a deal

fart shat sounds inappropriate

12:55 AM

i'd rather avoid having a fart themed channel

12:56 AM

how about we switch the substitutions? "Fat shart"

You’re absolutely right, one moment

idea: keep announcements clear

4:05 PM

if you have a squabble -make a thread

Oh lord we squabblin??

Counterpoint: Funny

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not the green thing

Counterpoint: Funny

*Funy

You're right

oh god geese you're alive

7:02 PM

see rhodesy?

tumbleweed noises

do the trick again

I want a serfy at the end of my name too

8:07 PM

stop the admin superiority

Omg the shark magic in action

need a guy named semp

9:05 PM

sempserfy

Nick been azified

9:09 PM

Yea s a magical thing to behold

Verprey

idea: keep announcements clear

What do you mistake this for, a democracy?

11:02 PM

roles for neural/mental diagnosis -ADHD -ADD -Aspergers -Autistic -Bipolar -etc

2:54 AM

imagine being diagnosed as Etc. (edited)

2:55 AM

Verprey

roles for neural/mental diagnosis -ADHD -ADD -Aspergers -Autistic -Bipolar -etc

but seriously, to help first time social interactions make sense rather than come off weird with no explanation

I'm not sure I dig the idea

2:56 AM

maybe we could have a single role that says "be patient with me I have autism"?

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I have a way I want to word this, I just don't know how : )

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Azserfy

maybe we could have a single role that says "be patient with me I have autism"?

that's a really long role wasn't geese's role fears of a cluttered user profile?

Azserfy

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Y'know somebody was joking with me at work the other day that I'm "on the spectrum". Instead of finding it funny or insulting I kinda just silently wondered to myself "what if I am?"

When I was very young, I slowly became very certain that I was severely mentally handicapped and that's why people treated me uniquely (I was the hyper-energetic kid), so I spent literally years watching people and learning how to be as normal as possible so that people would like me. At the time I called it "Being a Student of Human Interaction." I've since learned that I am, actually, neurotypical. I might be kind of ADHD and OCD and excitable, but I'm not really any of those things.

Probably not the right channel for it, but the story kinda feels super familiar to me >w>

not the green thing

When I was very young, I slowly became very certain that I was severely mentally handicapped and that's why people treated me uniquely (I was the hyper-energetic kid), so I spent literally years watching people and learning how to be as normal as possible so that people would like me. At the time I called it "Being a Student of Human Interaction." I've since learned that I am, actually, neurotypical. I might be kind of ADHD and OCD and excitable, but I'm not really any of those things.

Babe it’s called masking and it can be mentally exhausting if you don’t recognize when you’re doing it and allow yourself the space to decompress where possible 😵‍💫

12:11 PM

I also remember sitting down and studying like a handful of other kids who weren’t “popular” but that I thought were funny and didn’t get picked on as much as I seemed to… and compiling a personality for myself based on the things that they said/did and just… committing hard as fuck to it 😵‍💫

which is actually something I didn’t consciously remember until I read you describing the same thing just now

But I wasn't masking, I was paranoid that I was weird so I became HYPER-normal.

12:31 PM

And only much later did I learn that I am just, normal. All I did that entire time was train my charisma stat.

not the green thing

But I wasn't masking, I was paranoid that I was weird so I became HYPER-normal.

I… am not seeing the distinction?

not the green thing

And only much later did I learn that I am just, normal. All I did that entire time was train my charisma stat.

so become hyper un-normal by studying us

Azserfy

maybe we could have a single role that says "be patient with me I have autism"?

neurotypicals get a "somehow I'm normal" role (edited)

12:42 PM

an Orca Dork

neurotypicals get a "somehow I'm normal" role (edited)

I hope to fuck none of them have managed to slip in here

Rhodesy

I hope to fuck none of them have managed to slip in here

>geese

12:43 PM

how do you think a random Fchat user started dating a popular vore furry artist

12:43 PM

0 social anxiety >.>

I just thought it was from being a cute, green sweetie pie

Rhodesy

I just thought it was from being a cute, green sweetie pie

*cranberry pie

12:45 PM

that's what he is

12:46 PM

he isnt cheese, that nose split is one of those pie designs, and he's a slice of it (edited)

12:48 PM

Verprey

but seriously, to help first time social interactions make sense rather than come off weird with no explanation

Ummm but back to the topic at hand - mods discussed this and we all agree that it would be a really bad idea largely because it prioritizes the diagnosis over the person. Like most (if not all) of us are certifiably not normal. Frankly I don’t know how you become a furry who is also into vore while maintaining that you are neurotypical lmao it just… doesn’t track, personally. The details/diagnoses are for each of us to share if we are comfortable and where appropriate… but having special roles for that would be a lot of extra work for a potentially harmful outcome. There is a built-in mutual understanding that we are Weird; giving people with social quirks grace/understanding is already the default

you're saying there's bullies on this server?

1:06 PM

this is the friendliest server I've been on :V

Verprey

you're saying there's bullies on this server?

YEAH, ME

Rhodesy

Ummm but back to the topic at hand - mods discussed this and we all agree that it would be a really bad idea largely because it prioritizes the diagnosis over the person. Like most (if not all) of us are certifiably not normal. Frankly I don’t know how you become a furry who is also into vore while maintaining that you are neurotypical lmao it just… doesn’t track, personally. The details/diagnoses are for each of us to share if we are comfortable and where appropriate… but having special roles for that would be a lot of extra work for a potentially harmful outcome. There is a built-in mutual understanding that we are Weird; giving people with social quirks grace/understanding is already the default

I kinda seond this. Like I'm too deathly anxious to do the whole medical diagnosis thing but I always have that nagging feeling that "something" is wrong with me as a person, mentally or behaviourally idk. But also I dunno how it'd sit will me to label people like that

it's nice to know, and you can recognize your past and why things happened like so to you ;o

I'm always worried to jump on the "yeah I'm probably <insert condition here> too" with nothing really to back it up cause I don't wanna seem insensitive

watch YouTube videos

1:09 PM

there's a million people making videos on every hecking diagnosis

I trust youtube to properly diagnose me as much as I trust verdrusk to not use cursed emotes

1:09 PM

Like "10 ADHD behaviours" videos are pretty common and yeah, I empathise with like 8 or 9 of them but does that really mean I have ADHD?

1:10 PM

again, kinda off topic but I worry about these sorta things a lot so I have things to say is all >w>

Missile

Like "10 ADHD behaviours" videos are pretty common and yeah, I empathise with like 8 or 9 of them but does that really mean I have ADHD?

i do relate to adhd shit, but it's a chronic thing afaik, so not a full thing id say i struggle with lmao

Missile

Like "10 ADHD behaviours" videos are pretty common and yeah, I empathise with like 8 or 9 of them but does that really mean I have ADHD?

My own personal take is that a LOT of these “disorders” would not exist in a society that does not prioritize productivity and usefulness to the workforce above all else… so it’s correct to feel like maybe I am or maybe I’m not - we kind of all feel like that… because none of these diagnoses really have a solid definition to begin with… they all show comorbidity along with boundaries that tend to bleed into eachother. I sort of apply the same lens used for gender… it’s a social construct; it’s completely fake and simultaneously very real… if that makes sense? Like ADHD/Autism - fake as hell, people get built different who cares. Simultaneously extremely real in that getting a diagnosis allows a sense of identity and access to resources that can help you cope with being a silly little guy in a society that was not built to accommodate us. My advice? It’s sort of up to you; if you’re okay with your day-to-day without a diagnosis that’s cool… you don’t need one. However if you think your quality of life could be improved by the resources/community that comes with a specific diagnosis, look into it more with a doctor or psychiatrist

feels like the disabilities are also diagnosis to match people who are more specialized :v

1:38 PM

autistic may be more fit in organization jobs :v

1:39 PM

ADHD can manage the fuck with multi-tasking

Is this a relevant conversation for #server-discussion anymore?

1

Suggestion: make an irl-feet-pic channel

Suggestion vetoed

1:39 PM

Get it? VeTOEd

Overriden

1:40 PM

channel created (edited)

Override denied on the basis of lacking relevant feet puns

some feet

Azserfy

channel created (edited)

Man why did geese give you channel creation perms

Zalia @ FWA

Override denied on the basis of lacking relevant feet puns

is that really the sole reason?

azserfy is the one admin they should have never given admin

correct

server idea

9:46 PM

@not the green thing is a shark, exile him

rip scar vore

Azserfy

@not the green thing is a shark, exile him

Alright bye everyone

But he's still green

12:11 AM

So still a fren in my book

12:11 AM

Not food

holy-

12:16 AM

he did it

Unironically best prank ever, leaving for real

12:21 AM

Now hopfel owns the server which, imo, is a good thing

1

12:21 AM

:D

12:21 AM

Drinks on me!

12:21 AM

And snacks, if geese comes back

VrChat meetups

1:06 AM

I wanna vibe with you guys in the virtual space

ngl i would be up for that ~~in a month when I get back home to my headset~~

Trite

VrChat meetups

ok

1:54 AM

>:3

I'd nervously like to agree It might push me to actually learn my damn modeling so I can fix up my character in virtual space

blessed 3d sailor proto

look at himmmmmm

very cute! ^w^

2:55 AM

I think I use the same model for my protogen in vrchat?

he needs a sailor hat

I intend to give him an anchor-ended tail, and rope (jigglebones) just above the fin. His leg panels will have active sonar displays, his shoulders with pirate-ship snowglobes, and a pirate hat on his funny little head. A few other small tweaks here and there, but- I need to learn how to model first :'D Wheee

n i c e

3:04 AM

it's not terribly hard to learn, compared to other technically complex hobbies

really?

3:14 AM

I've been talking to a lot of folk and it sounds like years of dedication

to be good maybe

I mean I'd like to be good enough to edit my own model

i learned everything i needed to fashion a VR model in like, maybe a month of goofing around

4:49 AM

Dunno if this has been suggested before already, but a channel (or maybe a forum channel like #deleted-channel) to post commission info/prices?

Channel where we call kal a good boy and if you say anything else it’s an instant ban

Done

5:12 PM

#deleted-channel

MEAN

5:16 PM

but also funny

In the art category too

This is true

I am guilty of smelly

Missile

Dunno if this has been suggested before already, but a channel (or maybe a forum channel like #deleted-channel) to post commission info/prices?

Mm! No, but only no because it's an artist server. Everyone here can make their own things, and if you're tempted to comm someone, go through the normal outlets, otherwise your motivation here should be to draw whatever you needed yourself.

6:29 PM

Also it has been suggested before. Actually kind of by me, and it was understandably shot down for that reason, which I've since... supported, more.

1

It was mostly a selfish request I suppose cause I wanna find artists to commission but often when artists I like open "first come first serve" commissions I usually miss the slot openings due to timezones

But have you considered commissioning Missile

I just need to be better at approaching artists

He drew me smthn he's also super sweet <3

not the green thing

But have you considered commissioning Missile

I heard he closed his commissions over a year ago silly ;w;

Maybe just ask him really nicely = w=

What if he says no?

6:33 PM

Missile

What if he says no?

Ask him so nicely that he can't say no without feeling a little guilty. ;3

not the green thing

Ask him so nicely that he can't say no without feeling a little guilty. ;3

Time to emotionally manipulate myself into drawing free art for myself off I gooooo :3

1

Technically you're describing motivation but you make it sound so evil ">->

For reals though, I do just need to get better at finding artists if I want art haha. Maybe one day I'll have like an address book of artists to throw money at xD

not the green thing

Technically you're describing motivation but you make it sound so evil ">->

It's an unconventional talent I spose

6:43 PM

But yeah I tried commissions, got two and then nothing (and even felt like I ripped those two people off cause I was still pretty early in my drawing)

6:43 PM

So my comms have been "indefinitely closed"

6:44 PM

Or more like uhhh "let's pretend they were never open and never mention this again" lol. I thought commissions would motivate me but it did the opposite (and I didn't exactly need money, I just wanted to draw for people)

Feeling that struggle. I took on my first detailed fullbody, and a 3 panel comic/sequence. Oog.

not the green thing

But have you considered commissioning Missile

ok but art trade

Missile

Or more like uhhh "let's pretend they were never open and never mention this again" lol. I thought commissions would motivate me but it did the opposite (and I didn't exactly need money, I just wanted to draw for people)

real it helped me learn to promise art take payment after art never draw art

6:56 PM

so no payment

Verprey

ok but art trade

@Missile there yu go

Art trade with myself? kappa

Verprey

ok but art trade

~~I mean I probably would if someone wanted but I'd also be anxious about both the speed and quality of my work lol~~

7:04 PM

I KNOW I SHOULDN'T COMPARE qwq

7:04 PM

But when it's a trade I feel a little pressure haha

Missile

I just need to be better at approaching artists

we have a channel for everyone to post their socials and links. Go window shopping!

not the green thing

Also it has been suggested before. Actually kind of by me, and it was understandably shot down for that reason, which I've since... supported, more.

For the record I’m still kind of cool with a system/channel for setting up trades? Because while my ADHD makes the idea of commission work terrifying I do wanna be drawing things for other people when my head is empty

Missile

Or more like uhhh "let's pretend they were never open and never mention this again" lol. I thought commissions would motivate me but it did the opposite (and I didn't exactly need money, I just wanted to draw for people)

I feel this one in my BONE(r)S

Rhodesy

For the record I’m still kind of cool with a system/channel for setting up trades? Because while my ADHD makes the idea of commission work terrifying I do wanna be drawing things for other people when my head is empty

e

Rhodesy

For the record I’m still kind of cool with a system/channel for setting up trades? Because while my ADHD makes the idea of commission work terrifying I do wanna be drawing things for other people when my head is empty

Oki, I'm more up for an art trade channel. So long as we put a hard rule in there that the only art you trade in is Bad Art-- we're not gonna put a ruling on who wins, but when an art trade happens, both artists have to expect the worst from both themselves and the other person

Sounds cool

not the green thing

Oki, I'm more up for an art trade channel. So long as we put a hard rule in there that the only art you trade in is Bad Art-- we're not gonna put a ruling on who wins, but when an art trade happens, both artists have to expect the worst from both themselves and the other person

That’s a great rule wow

Easy. All my art is bad lel :^)

Uh

8:01 AM

I don't get the rule

I actually really like that idea

8:45 AM

Senile Scribble Trade Deals

Isn't that literally gartic phone

-Voluntary -No pressure (except drawing at all) -You and Your Favorite Sucker only

Geese just admitted that gartic phone was neither of those things

Correct

10:33 AM

Gartic Phone was never an option

10:33 AM

I can't normally go to the events because of my schedule

10:42 AM

So I for one would love this, lol

Trite

I can't normally go to the events because of my schedule

Dammit I'm gon screm, shitassfuck I'll make another careful schedule thing and @ people individually who it applies to

10:59 AM

I can FIX IT

Suuuuure

not the green thing

Gartic Phone was never an option

I can't wait for my next scheduled mandatory gartic phone participation :^)

not the green thing

I can FIX IT

No don't worry about it

12:40 PM

In a few weeks I'm gonna be switching to a schedule where I can join the groups

12:40 PM

I'm going to college soon so I'm switching off night shifts

Who wanna art trade

6:54 PM

https://discord.com/channels/888970103654350949/1114973231636545696

Chris does good arts

7:20 PM

he has my personal recomendation

new server emote

1

Kill

6:58 PM

@not the green thing

I am wildly happy

9:05 PM

What

9:05 PM

What is this

9:05 PM

WHAT the FUCK

9:05 PM

@Missile GODDAMMIT

OKAY I HAVE A SURPRISE FOR YOU SOON BUT LIKE

9:05 PM

DON'T THINK THIS WAS THE CAUSE

sorry if it looks a bit goofy haha (edited)

ITS NOT A RETURN GIFT I WAS ALREADY GETTING YOU IT

limited to 24 frames so had to keep it relatively simple

DAMMIT AAA

and also can't animate haha

9:06 PM

Missile

new server emote

No I love this

make it an emote ^w^

It's my favorite thing

awa!

I will I need to shave first aaa

he has a little scar too but it's hard to see in dark mode

new channel category "Nerdy stuf" for the programmer, 3d artist, and writer roles stuff that doesn't exactly deal with "art" or can't be ranked as sfw or nsfw

2:26 AM

and a "videos" channel? Fun to share stuff that's not a meme, but can't put it in a respective channel

>#chat >#memes

1

2:45 AM

I dunno why we need a new channel for every nuanced topic genere

2:46 AM

Renaming memes to media would be pretty cool tho cause this server isn't really full of the meme trafficking type anyways

2:46 AM

'cept for a specific few members. You know who you are. You're my favorite dealers.

I’m sorry I will stop

Verprey

new channel category "Nerdy stuf" for the programmer, 3d artist, and writer roles stuff that doesn't exactly deal with "art" or can't be ranked as sfw or nsfw

I actually completely disagree and say that thise topics are art and can be posted in the same channels-- that is to say, SFW stories in SFW, NSFW stories in NSFW, and so on.

6:04 AM

However

Zalia @ FWA

Renaming memes to media would be pretty cool tho cause this server isn't really full of the meme trafficking type anyways

Agree with this so hard actually, so hard

6:05 AM

Gonna wait for more people to agree or counters to be made before I just change it but I'm tempted to just change it immediately tbh

how about a showcase channel, where you can post things you're proud of that isnt exactly furry art or whatever

It sounds like you have something very specific in mind

no, i just dont see misc content

Like, "I want to post This Thing™️" and there's not already a channel that is excusably for it

an Orca Dork

no, i just dont see misc content

Tbh though #bible-studies-and-discussion probably

i just feel like the only people that post here are artists even though there's roles for plenty of other things to post about and there is a significant amount of people in those areas

an Orca Dork

i just feel like the only people that post here are artists even though there's roles for plenty of other things to post about and there is a significant amount of people in those areas

The only people that post here... ARE artists

1

usally themed chats can help unmuddy or uncongest a specific channel or make it less messy to look at and understand

Except that I feel like those chats only make sense in fuckoff huge servers where they get so busy you couldn't keep up with every chat OR keep up with one chat in particular that needs to be split into two, and with a lower number of chats here with a respectable amount of posts per day we don't have anything that really collects dust nor areas that if you wanted to post something you couldn't kind of get the vibe of where it goes in the first place-- I have no idea what third-category thing you've got that fits between #memes and #bible-studies-and-discussion rn (edited)

an Orca Dork

usally themed chats can help unmuddy or uncongest a specific channel or make it less messy to look at and understand

Not congested is a good goal to have too, but "unmuddied" was also never really a concern I had. The only chat that is consistently a complaint for that reason is #deleted-channel and I'd be willing to change that channel instantly if we had any ideas at all to better organize it

Missile

new server emote

6:50 AM

Final Fantasy battle music on

6:52 AM

I have a specific track from Undertale in my head but I don't remember which boss it is, it might be Mad Dummy or Undyne

not the green thing

That emote has NO RIGHT to be so on-point for that song.

Wait

6:58 AM

It was Megaton I think

Diver

That emote has NO RIGHT to be so on-point for that song.

Also awaaaaa

I don't have the original of Metal Crusher downloaded

S'okay, patting your head still

ababababa-

Everyone get in my butt X)

too stinky (you, not the butt >:3)

fucking grabs you

That's not a server suggestion

Phantasmagoria𓅓

fucking grabs you

a drawpile today??

Verprey

a drawpile today??

Id be down

ill idle in a vc until critical vore

Verprey

a drawpile today??

Sadly I gotta work tomorrow day so I have to rest soonish

Missile

Sadly I gotta work tomorrow day so I have to rest soonish

aftervoreday

9:02 PM

needs to exist

Azserfy

That's not a server suggestion

You’re right it’s a server command

move OC references channel to the voice category

1:17 AM

right above no mic

Honestly I completely agree with this suggestion and it's a super quick fix

That's such a good idea that I already implemented it (edited)

2

Server idea, kals epic backflip channel where we all talk about how good kal is at doing backflips :>

Stinky

gotta hand it to verd

8:17 PM

that was a good idea

what the heck!

8:55 PM

we suggested that weeks ago

I also feel like I suggested it verbally during an event once but I can't remember

Get rid of the extreme social anxiety vc

but then where will i cry?

in my lap

5:03 PM

obviously

awww :3c

then we switch

I'm thinking we need to do a week of just, switching it up, here soon

10:53 PM

a Group A meeting where we all just have Clip Studio Paint or sth open, and we all just individually make pictures of however many people we want in call hanging out, and maybe a Group B session where we finally do a creative mode in Minecraft like Verdrusk's been reminding us of

not the green thing

a Group A meeting where we all just have Clip Studio Paint or sth open, and we all just individually make pictures of however many people we want in call hanging out, and maybe a Group B session where we finally do a creative mode in Minecraft like Verdrusk's been reminding us of

i cant draw on clip studuio

11:33 PM

bye

11:33 PM

its okay I can't draw either

an Orca Dork

i cant draw on clip studuio

Something you can stream you dopey dope

not the green thing

Something you can stream you dopey dope

no

11:41 PM

that EATS my mobile data alive

11:42 PM

magma simply sends telemetry data similar to online gaming

I can't draw on CSP either

12:34 AM

Lol

12:35 AM

I'm down with Minecraft tho

12:36 AM

Java or Bedrock?

Java

@Null the Ludroth let's not draw together

12:36 AM

:>

12:36 AM

(lets actually)

Java based

not the green thing

I'm thinking we need to do a week of just, switching it up, here soon

drawpile but its themed actualluy (edited)

7:37 AM

we had a great template someone brought to thue table for a birthday but no-one remembered someone had a table and cake, and everyone drew their OCs around the table ;O

what is a "uits"

bazonga

what is a "uits"

fixed (edited)

idk what that is either lol

bazonga

idk what that is either lol

fixed

double fixed

8:04 AM

!

Krautzy

@Null the Ludroth let's not draw together

yay we procrastinate together forever

Null the Ludroth

yay we procrastinate together forever

Okay so I just uploaded this sticker by @Kink (fat geese)

2:07 PM

2:08 PM

But I wanna remind y'all just in case, anybody can make stickers or emoji here, ask a mod and you have a 96% chance of being represented

and a 4% chance of being Null the Ludroth in which case you get missed

2:15 PM

I also have the ability to veto all other mod's refusals of a sticker if i deem the sticker green enough

Zalia @ FWA

I also have the ability to veto all other mod's refusals of a sticker if i deem the sticker green enough

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/287085618008293377/1024944510641385513/trim.0683F8F5-032B-40DC-AF24-5D2064E35919.mov

I'm just glad I made some dumb meagre contribution

2:55 PM

Server Idea: to help us make a Group C (now hold on, listen here) where we do a group activity in a video game, we make a forum channel called Group-C where posts inside are game recommendations or ideas for already chosen games like minecraft. Posts can have tags like Proposal, Minecraft, Theme, etc. Now what if you use that Proposal tag for a VRC night Planner, with a list of maps and picture previews of what they are? Minecraft tag could be suggesting a modpack (since modpacking is severely simple these days) so you have access to cooler aesthetics and creative tools. Theme could be a suggestion for the Minecraft building event, like, what if we have 6 build sites far away from each other, and we just spend some time connecting em up with roads and bridges? Group C could last 2-4 hours and have a variable time start based on the Host. This usual, but also elongated time could allow for people to take their time building, but also people who work jobs who get off just as the 2 hours are up, then they can still hop on and have 1-2 hours building something too ;o Minecraft events of course aren't exactly exclusive to those times, as like a Drawpile, you can join the server whenever you want. (edited)

I feel like for minecraft, specifically, it'd be best to literally just get a creative server that runs all the time and host a "meetup" on like Wednesday at two different times.

Minecraft creative building- Hoh.

weh

creative would be the most fitting

4:54 PM

so we can build giant dicks and stuff

Unfortunate that it wouldn't likely be modded, thus adding blocks to work with- but vanilla's aight

I like the idea of VRC meetups

Diver

Unfortunate that it wouldn't likely be modded, thus adding blocks to work with- but vanilla's aight

there are creative MODS

I know?

It might be difficult to get everyone on board with modded MC though

Diver

I know?

It might be difficult to get everyone on board with modded MC though

some of these client side if im right

Stickerify

10:53 PM

done

10:53 PM

YAY!

2:37 AM

or

2:38 AM

what stays :V

Both are good

2:59 AM

But first is particularly attuned to the vibe of this place

3:53 AM

No

4:18 AM

Yesss

1

since group A and B are simplified event time zones maybe make @Gartic or @Magma roles instead, so people who like said events can get pinged instead of Gartic unenjoyers being pinged on Group A or B Gartic days

it's not a bad idea tbh

Great suggestion However

5:18 PM

This solves what?

that would make the pinging system very complicated

put a paragraph in my ass :v (edited)

5:18 PM

gape it :v

i mean for a lot of people it's more relevant to know if the event happens at 20h or at 3am

Azserfy

that would make the pinging system very complicated

to just ping gartic or magma?

5:21 PM

the Group A/B is also seeming more like a "Event/Lobby A/B"

5:23 PM

Group A/B can still be used to reference a timing in conjunction with https://r.3v.fi/discord-timestamps/

5:24 PM

"Group A @Gartic 9/3/2023 6:00 PM"

5:24 PM

at the usual 1ish hour reminder (edited)

5:29 PM

@Magma Sunday, September 3, 2023 5:29:00 PM (edited)

5:30 PM

Sunday????

5:30 PM

whatever

It would sort of make sense to do that except the point is more to peer pressure people into drawing anyway

5:39 PM

For example

5:39 PM

We had the most kickass Gartic Phone last Group B ever

5:40 PM

And if you kept the event types apart, I feel like it'd just push those people who are picky away from attending events that they still might enjoy

5:40 PM

The point is peer pressure, join when you have time so you draw

A channel to share food you made

9:16 PM

Call it "food porn"

I'd actually throw stuff in there

for food and irl dick pics

There's been a few times where I wanted to share a cool meal I made but there's not really a correct channel for it

9:18 PM

Back on the beach you go, Az

Trite

There's been a few times where I wanted to share a cool meal I made but there's not really a correct channel for it

I just run to shame with anything uncategorized (edited)

Trite

There's been a few times where I wanted to share a cool meal I made but there's not really a correct channel for it

#bible-studies-and-discussion is sort of our misc channel I think?

I have no shame about my food, lol (edited)

11:43 PM

I guess this just depends if anyone else wants a food channel (edited)

What even is #bible-studies-and-discussion for? Wasn't it originally for posting funny or cringe art that wasn't worthy of posting in the big boy art channels?

12:02 AM

If we don't need a channel to mock even the silliest of Deviantart finds, why not move the shame channel to beneath chat and memes and rename it so it's the third General Chat, for holding conversation that isn't general enough for #chat and posting pics that aren't funny enough for #memes

12:02 AM

Like chat is our "general chat", memes is for randomness and sharing, and the third channel can be for anything from game news to sharing what you made for dinner

7:41 AM

It got good engagement so it stays!

Maybe we change it from #bible-studies-and-discussion to #miscellaneous

#Whatever

Some servers call the miscellaneous media channel #trash, which includes memes.

no turn the shame channel into an actual shame channel

Why is it in the art area tho

make this a sticker

I'd pay money to make this little fucker explode painfully

Zalia @ FWA

I'd pay money to make this little fucker explode painfully

Hol up, jesus christ

Good money , too

11:08 AM

The only good chiwi is a dead chiwi

He didn't do anything wrong

11:09 AM

He didn't choose to exist

11:09 AM

I say we let him down soft, easily, a single shot right to the forehead

that might might sate my rage enough to let me finally sleep tonight

Why

Funny

7:35 PM

Kill c:

Diver

Kill c:

fuck yes

mspaint tutorial on how eye glint works also became chiwawa

Will there be a no-vore zone?

If we did that, that admits the bulk of the server to be specifically about vore. I love the idea but I don't want our non-vore content then to only have the one corner? Like technically, really, everything else should be able to go into the same art chats as vore, but if you're looking at other people's art and all you see is vore constantly and don't want to be seeing it at all, it's a hassle. That said, I'm... not sure. But I'd be alright making one if no better idea emerges.

Do people actually want a no vore zone?

9:56 AM

Alternatively, we could just make a statement saying vore of any kind is nsfw.

9:57 AM

And boom, we have a no vore zone that doesn't actually mention vore.

Azserfy

Do people actually want a no vore zone?

If someone asks, they want it, Az We're not gonna distinguish between a person and a people when dealing with requests

Azserfy

And boom, we have a no vore zone that doesn't actually mention vore.

I'd agree with this, but that takes the separate issue with people like Mizu who are purely asexual but like seeing vore specifically. There's not a place to avoid big dicks and enjoy vore if we did that But I like where your head's at, I feel like this is getting closer to a perfect solution

What y'all talking about This isn't a vore server o.o

Spoiler mandate can solve it: if every picture with lewds or kinks in it is spoilered and lists its content, you never see anything you don't like. But it takes additional effort to do, probably too much for all the casual artposting going on.

It's a running joke

5:40 PM

This place is not a vore server

5:40 PM

1

"A role called 'responsible' and it allows you to have access to the soundboard. You have to show all of the moderators your saved sounds. If any of them suck you get the role 'cringe'. . . " -Verdrusk 2023

He really wants that soundboard back lol

what

8:56 AM

The idea is a good one

10:13 AM

Cringe jail

the concept is simple if you have little to no ear rape sounds, you're good

7:32 PM

make a cringe repeal appeal in 60 days

an Orca Dork

Click to see attachment 🖼️

9:33 PM

9:34 PM

:( Kenny told me to stop

What about you guys do a online cook out? @not the green thing

Mohave

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resuggesting Neuro-Diversity Roles to find new friends, and understand why people may act or say things a certain way

12:46 AM

roles should be given by admin or something so someone cant just be Neurotypical and Autistic xD

dum

an Orca Dork

roles should be given by admin or something so someone cant just be Neurotypical and Autistic xD

I understand where your thoughts/heart lie at with this idea, but as someone who deals with stuff like that, no one would probably like being labeled for everyone to see

Apologies verd

6:01 AM

But it's not happening

6:01 AM

Best i can offer is a "be patient i have autism" role

6:02 AM

We're not getting into specific neurodiagnosis

Azserfy

Best i can offer is a "be patient i have autism" role

Make that role and then give it to everybody by default

This is a stupid art server for dipshits of various levels of skill

6:05 AM

It's assumed that 80% of us have some kind of autism and that's okay (edited)

Would be easier to just make a neurotypical role and then assign it to no one here, frankly

I don't like the term neurotypical

6:07 AM

It's sounds like "neurobasic" lol

Rhodesy

Would be easier to just make a neurotypical role and then assign it to no one here, frankly

":D What about those of us here that are neurotypical?

We vaccinate them

7:29 AM

Obviously

7:30 AM

A dose of measle vaccine every year until they fit in

":D I have, uh... OCD, then?

sorry Just found me and Rruk have the same thing and it made knowing them a whole lot easier

Rolutav

I understand where your thoughts/heart lie at with this idea, but as someone who deals with stuff like that, no one would probably like being labeled for everyone to see

and you wouldnt have to be labeled if you dont want to be? (edited)

7:47 AM

I guess the rquest comes from my inability to read people, as well as suprising every single person in here when I say I have azburgers :S

But doesn't the surprise make you feel powerful?

not the green thing

But doesn't the surprise make you feel powerful?

no

7:49 AM

just confused you dont know yet (edited)

How is it not a compliment when you say you have something and people are surprised, like you passed for normal? You can exceed and live beyond a label.

"You can exceed and live beyond a label." ????????????

"Ah it says you're autistic so that means you're [like this/that]"

not the green thing

"Ah it says you're autistic so that means you're [like this/that]"

yes

7:51 AM

"Ah you're made of ass burgers. You're sometimes blunt or rude without trying to be" (edited)

I feel like that's a horoscope. (edited)

I know ive offended people here in vcs before just by communuication (edited)

If you want a role that says Aspergers I'll give you one, but you can't be suddenly rude to anybody and expect that that lets you off the hook.

not the green thing

If you want a role that says Aspergers I'll give you one, but you can't be suddenly rude to anybody and expect that that lets you off the hook.

well ofc??

Like, it sucks that that's the diagnosis, but it's not an excuse-- you'll still have to try extra hard to just, not offend people.

i'm still the same person I was before I was diagnosed at 16 :P

an Orca Dork

I guess the rquest comes from my inability to read people, as well as suprising every single person in here when I say I have azburgers :S

How does that surprise anyone lmao

an Orca Dork

i'm still the same person I was before I was diagnosed at 16 :P

But then the role seems superfluous

(and im being treated the same way thanks to medical facebook)

Azserfy

How does that surprise anyone lmao

geese :v

Let's just make an asparagus role

Azserfy

Let's just make an asparagus role

vegetable

And give it to whomever

Azparagass

7:55 AM

Give it everyone whose had Az up their ass

7:55 AM

Spread it like an STD

lmao

7:55 AM

anyone with xbox Game Pass gets a role called Gape Ass

not the green thing

Like, it sucks that that's the diagnosis, but it's not an excuse-- you'll still have to try extra hard to just, not offend people.

I'm not too concerned about it being used as an excuse, i really don't think that's the idea here

Again, though-- me being surprised you had any diagnosis at all, Verdrusk, was more me praising you on seeming pretty legitimately neutral. I hadn't noticed anything was different about you as compared to... anybody else, really. I know neurotypical people who act more autistic than you.

not the green thing

How is it not a compliment when you say you have something and people are surprised, like you passed for normal? You can exceed and live beyond a label.

Geese it’s not a lable. Being on the spectrum and having aspergers is just a part of me.

Rruk/Ego

Geese it’s not a lable. Being on the spectrum and having aspergers is just a part of me.

But we also don't have he/him roles.

other fun things include Not being able to instantly reply and respond with a well constructed sentence when asked about usomething in a VC

not the green thing

But we also don't have he/him roles.

Gender is not the same as a Brain Development

not the green thing

Like, it sucks that that's the diagnosis, but it's not an excuse-- you'll still have to try extra hard to just, not offend people.

People with aspergers come off blunt and have difficulty reading people. No one’s looking for an excuse to be an asshole

not the green thing

But we also don't have he/him roles.

Pronoun roles would actually be a good idea tbh

Rruk/Ego

Geese it’s not a lable. Being on the spectrum and having aspergers is just a part of me.

I feel like too many people are afraid of labeling, but at the same time alot of the "labeled" like to find others of the same because of the problems they both collectively suffer through

Azserfy

Pronoun roles would actually be a good idea tbh

Discord feature???????? (edited)

8:00 AM

not the green thing

How is it not a compliment when you say you have something and people are surprised, like you passed for normal? You can exceed and live beyond a label.

Mmmmmaybe you should let the autistic people decide how they feel about their labels

8:01 AM

Since you're neurobasic UwU

not the green thing

But we also don't have he/him roles.

That’s apples and oranges hunny

Azserfy

Mmmmmaybe you should let the autistic people decide how they feel about their labels

YEAH OKAY IT FELT RUDE I KNOW it was a bad thing to say dont catch me on it ; ~;

Can you imagine if i told you you passed as straight then got confused when you didn't take it as a compliment lol

Rruk/Ego

That’s apples and oranges hunny

"[It] is just a part of me." "But we don't have gender roles."

8:02 AM

It's the same subject.

not the green thing

Again, though-- me being surprised you had any diagnosis at all, Verdrusk, was more me praising you on seeming pretty legitimately neutral. I hadn't noticed anything was different about you as compared to... anybody else, really. I know neurotypical people who act more autistic than you.

I'm overly attached to Halo as a game, and alot of people have sighed or mentally uguh'd any time I bring it up. When Aymbord was here he quite literally gave me lip one time for bringing up Halo and I had to remind him I dont hate on him for playing Roblox 24/7

an Orca Dork

I feel like too many people are afraid of labeling, but at the same time alot of the "labeled" like to find others of the same because of the problems they both collectively suffer through

I embrace what I am and always like meeting others like me because no one other than those people can start to understand what I really go through

Azserfy

Can you imagine if i told you you passed as straight then got confused when you didn't take it as a compliment lol

I'd probably say "why did you take notice"

Rruk/Ego

I embrace what I am and always like meeting others like me because no one other than those people can start to understand what I really go through

yes

Aymboard is probably on the spectrum too tbh

not the green thing

I'd probably say "why did you take notice"

Because you constantly talk about dick???

not the green thing

YEAH OKAY IT FELT RUDE I KNOW it was a bad thing to say dont catch me on it ; ~;

at least you can feel when something is rude to say :V

Azserfy

Because you constantly talk about dick???

YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING

YOUR BOYFRIEND IS GAY

I AM BISEXUAL

8:04 AM

EAT BUTTS

admin fight! admin fight!

8:05 AM

not the green thing

"[It] is just a part of me." "But we don't have gender roles."

My gender is a part of me but it’s not the same kind of part as me having aspergers. Ones how I feel the other is how I process and respond to things on a fundamental level

I'd discuss this in greater detail but it's 2 AM and I want to catch the morning Drawpile if I can. Someone @ Mink in like 8 hours if I'm not awake.

My dick does not sound rude when it cums (edited)

not the green thing

"[It] is just a part of me." "But we don't have gender roles."

dude what

an Orca Dork

at least you can feel when something is rude to say :V

Mood. Sometimes I have to re read a message a few times and mentally compare notes on my observations of other people to tell if Im being too blunt

Rruk/Ego

Mood. Sometimes I have to re read a message a few times and mentally compare notes on my observations of other people to tell if Im being too blunt

Or mentally decide if something is 2% on topic or not and to say or send the message or not

an Orca Dork

Or mentally decide if something is 2% on topic or not and to say or send the message or not

Lmao I love riding the topic roller coaster sometimes as I hope from subject to subject to gush about on the flimsiest connections to eachother

Rruk/Ego

Lmao I love riding the topic roller coaster sometimes as I hope from subject to subject to gush about on the flimsiest connections to eachother

re al

Was typing a whole paragraph or smthn and my laptop died

when I say out loud "i was gonna say something but nevermind"

Soz, just, let's talk in the morning y'all, when I can mull this over

On the subject of accepting who you are Im really hyper fixated on “Kill Six Billion Demons” lately

what????

an Orca Dork

when I say out loud "i was gonna say something but nevermind"

In my experience you can kinda say anything as long as you're listening to how other people respond and reacting in kind.

not the green thing

In my experience you can kinda say anything as long as you're listening to how other people respond and reacting in kind.

no like

8:12 AM

literally as far as you can get off topic

an Orca Dork

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Gonna start identifying as Verdrusk too smh

an Orca Dork

literally as far as you can get off topic

I am Sleep deprived

but your brain is just "oh yeah, talk about grape juice" in a zombie apocalypse discussion (edited)

an Orca Dork

but your brain is just "oh yeah, talk about grape juice" in a zombie apocalypse discussion (edited)

Yeah don do that until there's a natural ending point, or you can make a funny segue without cutting someone off (edited)

not the green thing

Yeah don do that until there's a natural ending point, or you can make a funny segue without cutting someone off (edited)

there never is

an Orca Dork

but your brain is just "oh yeah, talk about grape juice" in a zombie apocalypse discussion (edited)

My response “go one, what about grape juice” then an hour later we’re talking about what dick heads the forerunners were

an Orca Dork

there never is

Then you care too much about talking about grape juice

by the time there is, 8 new people are in VC and the topic has shifted 9000 times

Rruk/Ego

My response “go one, what about grape juice” then an hour later we’re talking about what dick heads the forerunners were

This this this this

not the green thing

Yeah don do that until there's a natural ending point, or you can make a funny segue without cutting someone off (edited)

That’s something people with aspergers have to actively remember to do

an Orca Dork

by the time there is, 8 new people are in VC and the topic has shifted 9000 times

You can be the reason why the topic shifts

not the green thing

You can be the reason why the topic shifts

i never am

8:15 AM

we get ignored

Verdrusk, the VC is crowded, but I go out of my damn way to make sure everyone who wants to speak is getting their moment

8:16 AM

We're not actively ignoring you

not the green thing

We're not actively ignoring you

this isnot a Server Only problem lmao (edited)

8:16 AM

I am not actively Socially Disabled in an art server

8:17 AM

"You're not socially disabled if-" is a bs sentence too

That's fair . _.

Just because I talk normal doesn't mean I am normal on the inside

an Orca Dork

Just because I talk normal doesn't mean I am normal on the inside

Fr fr. The mask hides a lot

But we're not oppressing your ability to be neurodivergent

I still struggle out the ass to be socially coherent with these "basics"

8:19 AM

Only reason I talk and socialize alot more than most burgers is that I have Self Developed "High Functioning Anxiety" (edited)

an Orca Dork

Only reason I talk and socialize alot more than most burgers is that I have Self Developed "High Functioning Anxiety" (edited)

it takes a bit of Mental Gymnastics and thorough forceful communication

an Orca Dork

it takes a bit of Mental Gymnastics and thorough forceful communication

forceful communication can be aided by an overflow of energy via something like caffeine

not the green thing

But we're not oppressing your ability to be neurodivergent

Just the ability to find more like us :v

not the green thing

But we're not oppressing your ability to be neurodivergent

We are neurodivergent. It’s not an ability. I think letting people know is a good starting point for an educational conversation. A lot of people are ignorant about what it’s like

Lemme just make a post-thread and ask about everyone's divergencies and get 5 replies from my friends whom I already know about

an Orca Dork

Just the ability to find more like us :v

You're in an art server, that makes it feel like you're using it like a dating app.

not the green thing

You're in an art server, that makes it feel like you're using it like a dating app.

Is it not possible to use a server as a place to make friends????????????????????????

8:22 AM

Why is everything relationship oriented. BURGERS DO NOT HAVE MOTIVES

not the green thing

You're in an art server, that makes it feel like you're using it like a dating app.

I don’t know how you got that

an Orca Dork

Is it not possible to use a server as a place to make friends????????????????????????

It's perfectly possible-- we're in VC and chat all the time.

not the green thing

It's perfectly possible-- we're in VC and chat all the time.

ok so based on your recent assumption

8:23 AM

I want to marry you right now

8:23 AM

:v

Omigod my brain is rotting and I still haven't slept and everything I say feels like another spoonful of dirt out of the dumbest hole I've ever dug myself into (edited)

Hey Ver maybe Geese needs some sleep.

well of course, the only person who can put himself to bed is himself

Honestly I think maybe the wider server should be asked about their opinions on the subject. I imagine many have this chat muted

If I come across too blunt or rude, I operate very logic oriented and is why I relate with and self identify as a robot. :S (edited)

Adding a fuck ton of roles for stuff like sex and neurodivergency opens the door for a lot of unconscious bias

an Orca Dork

If I come across too blunt or rude, I operate very logic oriented and is why I relate with and self identify as a robot. :S (edited)

Yeah I understand. I know plenty of other aspies and on the spectrum friends that feel comfortable in logic. It’s taken myself years to really start understanding my own emotions

Trite

Adding a fuck ton of roles for stuff like sex and neurodivergency opens the door for a lot of unconscious bias

sex??

I prefer to get to know a person rather than judge them like they're a booklet I can read off of

Trite

Adding a fuck ton of roles for stuff like sex and neurodivergency opens the door for a lot of unconscious bias

Bias?

an Orca Dork

sex??

Bi, gay, pansexual

Rruk/Ego

Bias?

Something every human has psychologically speaking

Trite

I prefer to get to know a person rather than judge them like they're a booklet I can read off of

The problem at play is alot of us can't "read" people

You can't escape it and saying you don't have any is lying to yourself

Yeah but is that really the problem

Trite

Bi, gay, pansexual

its almost a given the people who join are gay to an extent, and when they're actually straight, said people make it known like Aym did

If anything, an asperger diagnosis makes you more accepted

Trite

You can't escape it and saying you don't have any is lying to yourself

Why hide it then? Let them be biased

Then make it known, rather than wanting roles to be passive about it, it's a social server, let people lean about you

Azserfy

If anything, an asperger diagnosis makes you more accepted

unless youu're a facebook mom, then it means you can be cured

Trite

Then make it known, rather than wanting roles to be passive about it, it's a social server, let people lean about you

But it's hard when they have asperger That's the point

Azserfy

But it's hard when they have asperger That's the point

Social disability weeeeeeee

The tism shouldn't be a hiderance bretheren

8:32 AM

Do what you must

Look i think an @asparagus role isn't too much to ask

I identify with "disability" due to my lacks of social "readings"

Trite

The tism shouldn't be a hiderance bretheren

Have you read up? Alot of what we're saying now is what has been discussed earlier

8:33 AM

https://discord.com/channels/888970103654350949/1063212447256825976/1153239813361766491

Not really, I'm just saying I don't like a fuck ton of labels, I feel like it takes away from the idea of socialization and let's people just judge others based on a group rather than getting to know them

Trite

The tism shouldn't be a hiderance bretheren

Even then, you'd be the one choosing to let your "label" be pubulic, its not like we have government FBI accounts that can autoumatically label you based on your behaviours

If you really want it known, put it in your bio

Aspergers is a unique sub category of the autism spectrum. It has extras ontop of autism. People with aspergers lack in inherent ability to read body language or tone. Instead they observe others and learn their patterns actively.

Trite

If you really want it known, put it in your bio

Nitro Feature

8:35 AM

Server Specific Bios

A bio is a nitro feature now?

Added a role to verd and rruk

Why does it have to be server specific? I thought this was about neurodivergency and secual orientation, unless you want ored and prey identifiers

I dont want my server specific bio to be seen across 86 servers (12 I frequent) [random numubers] (edited)

Any other mod can feel free to edit it

Trite

Not really, I'm just saying I don't like a fuck ton of labels, I feel like it takes away from the idea of socialization and let's people just judge others based on a group rather than getting to know them

Flat out if someone judges me poorly for having aspergers I have no time for that energy in my life.

But that would mean Geese gets to admit this is a vore server if there's prey and prey roles

Trite

Why does it have to be server specific? I thought this was about neurodivergency and secual orientation, unless you want ored and prey identifiers

Trite

But that would mean Geese gets to admit this is a vore server if there's prey and prey roles

What's vore

Lets be honest this is like an 85% vore with the rest being mixed other

Azserfy

Added a role to verd and rruk

the problem is I dont actually have autism I was diagnosed with High Functiong Aspergers

Azserfy

Added a role to verd and rruk

Thank you. Sorry if I came off strong, I was trying to be more educational about what it’s like and where I think Verd is coming from

Autism feels a little too attached and socially introverted, albeit all Burguers get their trait stats from a lootbox at birth, but I don't feel like I fit into that same crowd because I have been part of an autism social group irl (edited)

8:40 AM

I don't feel I fit in with Auts, I was winning Bowling and Card games 75% as often as they were

So asperger is like autism but you're better at bowling

I'm in this weird zone between Aut and Basic, and I think that's what Burgers are

an Orca Dork

I don't feel I fit in with Auts, I was winning Bowling and Card games 75% as often as they were

Lol yeah I know a few auts that flatten me I certain games

Rruk/Ego

Lol yeah I know a few auts that flatten me I certain games

One kid there was a Mingolfing Tiger Woods, but only used one arm while the other arm was "T-Rex armed"

Azserfy

So asperger is like autism but you're better at bowling

Aspergers is complicated. It was originally diagnosed completely separately from the spectrum but in recent decades it was included as part of the autism spectrum

an Orca Dork

One kid there was a Mingolfing Tiger Woods, but only used one arm while the other arm was "T-Rex armed"

Man I notice myself t-rexing all the time lmao

Azserfy

So asperger is like autism but you're better at bowling

I feel like it's quicker at complex thought, although some Auts can become supercomputers for very specific things

Why is it so important to be labeled with Autism here

8:43 AM

I don't wanna come off as rude, I'm just curious

an Orca Dork

I'm in this weird zone between Aut and Basic, and I think that's what Burgers are

Isn't that just classified as lower spectrum?

Rruk/Ego

Man I notice myself t-rexing all the time lmao

It's why I again identify with AI, I think we can be "trained on a dataset" or be a "fast learner"

Asperger was the guy who protected a bunch of autistic kids from being killed by Hitler by saying he was running a sort of horrible school for them that ran tests on their inferior genes and it helped a ton of kids survive the Holocaust Props to that guy, shame he's sort of being remembered now as a Nazi sympathiser because what else can you do to survive WWII while living in Germany

not the green thing

Asperger was the guy who protected a bunch of autistic kids from being killed by Hitler by saying he was running a sort of horrible school for them that ran tests on their inferior genes and it helped a ton of kids survive the Holocaust Props to that guy, shame he's sort of being remembered now as a Nazi sympathiser because what else can you do to survive WWII while living in Germany

Good to know

Neurotribes was a great book

Go to bed :P (edited)

Trite

Why is it so important to be labeled with Autism here

Well verd specifically wants an aspergers tag I imagine.

Rruk/Ego

Well verd specifically wants an aspergers tag I imagine.

Azburger would fit, since I've seen Az draw that pun

Trite

Why is it so important to be labeled with Autism here

Why not?

It feels unnecessary? whast does it add?

Rruk/Ego

Why not?

As said before, it helps those with said disability find potential friends in those with the same disorder or the fact they aren't basic and may know they'll be a social safe haven from "Basics"

besides another role

My take: To further facilitate communication amongst our members, I like to avoid implementing self describing tags. Allowing our members to learn about each other on a communication basis causes for a tighter, closer community

I think whatever steps to make the server more inclusive to groups especially marginalized ones like autistic spectrum is a good thing. But its the groups decision

an Orca Dork

As said before, it helps those with said disability find potential friends in those with the same disorder or the fact they aren't basic and may know they'll be a social safe haven from "Basics"

Sorry I identify with "disorder" more due to social disability

It's as simple as talking

Trite

It's as simple as talking

what

Kennyyeen

It feels unnecessary? whast does it add?

What does it take away besides a few seconds to add an optional role?

man's a basic over here

Rruk/Ego

What does it take away besides a few seconds to add an optional role?

I mean, we are both making the same point, i'm just curious. I got here late

Trite

My take: To further facilitate communication amongst our members, I like to avoid implementing self describing tags. Allowing our members to learn about each other on a communication basis causes for a tighter, closer community

Y'all acting like we're trying to form a fucking faction when all we want is some understandment

Trite

My take: To further facilitate communication amongst our members, I like to avoid implementing self describing tags. Allowing our members to learn about each other on a communication basis causes for a tighter, closer community

That excludes people with disabilities that make it harder to communicate as effectively as others.

I understand it's hard to read people/communicate effectively, but it is part of the growing process. While it may be difficult to read people, conversing with them is how you get to know them, and in our server, we more then welcome the ability and chance to learn about each other. There may be difficulties but we're all here to help each other through them. Patience and compassion is one of our main goals. (edited)

ok?

I just personally feel that if you are here its typically because you are nuerodivergent to some degree. From my convos, everybodies got a little something going on upstairs (edited)

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8:52 AM

Would we make a role just for autism and asbergurs? or would we have to get everybodies disorders?

Kennyyeen

I mean, we are both making the same point, i'm just curious. I got here late

To elaborate. I think showing what people have to live with like autism, aspergers, adhd, ocd, etc. and making it not something people feel like they need to hide to fit in helps a lot. To use orientation as an example, I was so scared of being gay but when I saw others and met others like me I learned to accept who I am. It takes very little effort on the servers part but could help those who haven’t learned to accept themselves find people like them who they can actually relate to

Trite

I understand it's hard to read people/communicate effectively, but it is part of the growing process. While it may be difficult to read people, conversing with them is how you get to know them, and in our server, we more then welcome the ability and chance to learn about each other. There may be difficulties but we're all here to help each other through them. Patience and compassion is one of our main goals. (edited)

Most people at this current stage in life, afaik, can't exactly learn to read people anymore. (With said social problems) Conversing with random people is part of the disability. "Just talk" is the main thing holding us back. It's not that simple There may be difficulties, like taking offense to something "simple" from a Burger's mind and interpreting it as "rude" from another mind. Patience and compassion would allow for people to easier understand each other, even if their methods of communication aren't as exact and precise as "let me DM a random person". Not everyone is comfortable with receiving "Hi how are you" even though that's literally the only thing most if not all Burgers or Socially Inept people know how to start a conversation with.

8:58 AM

"even if their methods of communication aren't as exact and precise as "let me DM a random person"" reading a simple Role Label would allow for the skipping of vocally and socially reading someone, to the point of asking if they have said disability. Some people may get offended with said proposition or question if they don't have the disability. And said before, afaik we lack the Ability to read people, making sense of why it's called a Social Disability. If it were an Ability, it wouldn't have a main label on it at all. All we'd "suffer" or go through are just the simple processes of hyperfocus, fixation, topical addiction, and varied Autistic Herbs and Spices sprinkled in.

Like I've said before, we don't want to use tags because we want to facilitate conversation between our members. By using tags it stifles people into collecting into cliques, when we want to be a server where everyone is equal to each other.

Not everyone with said "label" has to grab/apply for the role.

an Orca Dork

Most people at this current stage in life, afaik, can't exactly learn to read people anymore. (With said social problems) Conversing with random people is part of the disability. "Just talk" is the main thing holding us back. It's not that simple There may be difficulties, like taking offense to something "simple" from a Burger's mind and interpreting it as "rude" from another mind. Patience and compassion would allow for people to easier understand each other, even if their methods of communication aren't as exact and precise as "let me DM a random person". Not everyone is comfortable with receiving "Hi how are you" even though that's literally the only thing most if not all Burgers or Socially Inept people know how to start a conversation with.

While that may be true, our server is our server. One is not forced to have to participate in our server as one is forced to participate in real world life social dynamics at large. This is a privately owned server, one that doesn't have to follow the rules of the world at large or the ones you've come to expect from the world at large. It is a tiny social microcosm

Im so confused on whether this server is an "Anarchy chaos" - Geese, or if it has structure like a government (edited)

I'm not the server owner, I can't change anything, but you already have the tag, you got that special permission, I just don't see why it being a common role is so important

Rruk/Ego

To elaborate. I think showing what people have to live with like autism, aspergers, adhd, ocd, etc. and making it not something people feel like they need to hide to fit in helps a lot. To use orientation as an example, I was so scared of being gay but when I saw others and met others like me I learned to accept who I am. It takes very little effort on the servers part but could help those who haven’t learned to accept themselves find people like them who they can actually relate to

Alright, makes sense to me. I'm autistic myself and can see how that would be helpful, but I also feel that its a bit weird to put the disorders we have at the forefront of conversation and people we communicate with. I'm all for people to feel more welcome, i mean thats basically the secondary goal of the server besides encouraging people to draw more. We're all adults too, so I feel like defining each other on what mental ticks we've got is a bit unnecessary in the concept of a server where friends invite friends. Its mostly a tight knit group of friends. But you're right, its a quick implement, no need to have such a large debate about a tag

Tags have nothing to do with conversation. Frankly you guys are being rather ignorant over a simple request for an idea to increase inclusivity in the server. People have already formed groups in this server its what humans are programmed to do. If you don’t want the rolls just say so you don’t need to find reasons to justify yourself. Pardon my bluntness but I grow tired of people throwing ideas around that I should just be a normal person and learn to talk better. I’ll never be good at starting dialogue and I accept that

But didn't you say tags help communication, like isn't the entire reason you wanted the tags was to help with a social disorder

9:05 AM

Tags indeed have to do with conversation in this case (edited)

Rruk/Ego

To elaborate. I think showing what people have to live with like autism, aspergers, adhd, ocd, etc. and making it not something people feel like they need to hide to fit in helps a lot. To use orientation as an example, I was so scared of being gay but when I saw others and met others like me I learned to accept who I am. It takes very little effort on the servers part but could help those who haven’t learned to accept themselves find people like them who they can actually relate to

real This server is a "not vore server" Which made me glad I can nerd out about art AND not-vore too ANd any ASpie I come across feels like a surpise and also a wave of relaxation at the same time, as I can suddenly reformat my social constructs when around them, knowing logic is more at play than "Rules"

an Orca Dork

real This server is a "not vore server" Which made me glad I can nerd out about art AND not-vore too ANd any ASpie I come across feels like a surpise and also a wave of relaxation at the same time, as I can suddenly reformat my social constructs when around them, knowing logic is more at play than "Rules"

Letting the mask fall is really nice

Alot of us socially mask Just because the masked voice talks normal, does not mean we assume normal. :P

Kennyyeen

Alright, makes sense to me. I'm autistic myself and can see how that would be helpful, but I also feel that its a bit weird to put the disorders we have at the forefront of conversation and people we communicate with. I'm all for people to feel more welcome, i mean thats basically the secondary goal of the server besides encouraging people to draw more. We're all adults too, so I feel like defining each other on what mental ticks we've got is a bit unnecessary in the concept of a server where friends invite friends. Its mostly a tight knit group of friends. But you're right, its a quick implement, no need to have such a large debate about a tag

Literally you clarifying you're an Autsy boi has just clarified a few things I've personally noticed and instantly forgiven them ;o (edited)

Trite

But didn't you say tags help communication, like isn't the entire reason you wanted the tags was to help with a social disorder

It’s not same. Different communications. One is like moving into a new neighborhood and being really anxious but you see the house next door has a pride flag so you feel like at least theres someone like me here.

I say, let them have the tags, its no harm

an Orca Dork

Alot of us socially mask Just because the masked voice talks normal, does not mean we assume normal. :P

When around close friends and mask off my tone and even accent slips out of my control and I feel like me.

Rruk/Ego

It’s not same. Different communications. One is like moving into a new neighborhood and being really anxious but you see the house next door has a pride flag so you feel like at least theres someone like me here.

Your house doesn't make sense to have pronouns on the outside, but you can have an orientation flag, and small yard signs like "Autism Awareness"

Its not like a riot will start, and its not like people play eye spy with tags unless its a rp server. No birth of a faction system

I again, don't see why it has to be a common impliment

9:11 AM

You can just ask for a role

bleh, there's so much to read here

Personal roles are more fun anyway

9:12 AM

That's literally my entire point

I feel like I have to mask my obsession with Halo because I'll be judged for having that addiction. Knowing other people with like-divergencies lets me passionately talk about things I like. (and it also seems like alot of auts are Halo fans????)

Why generalize when you can just personalize

Trite

Why generalize when you can just personalize

Personalization is literally picking roles that suit your sentience playstyle?

9:13 AM

I dont like being generalized with an entire >Spectrum<

I prefer post sentientce, its like new game plus

Trite

I again, don't see why it has to be a common impliment

Putting up barriers will ward a lot of people off

?

Rruk/Ego

Putting up barriers will ward a lot of people off

I feel like that was a wrong read/assumption (edited)

I'm saying wouldn't you guys rather have personal roles describing, rather than "Autism role" and like 80% of the server has that

Trite

I'm saying wouldn't you guys rather have personal roles describing, rather than "Autism role" and like 80% of the server has that

yes?

Because real recognizes real

an Orca Dork

I feel like I have to mask my obsession with Halo because I'll be judged for having that addiction. Knowing other people with like-divergencies lets me passionately talk about things I like. (and it also seems like alot of auts are Halo fans????)

Hehe sadly Im more mass effect myself :9 its really fun hearing people gush

All of us here are autistic as shit

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an Orca Dork

yes?

Then why are you still debating it, you got a personal role

9:16 AM

Rruk do you want a personal autism role?

I feel theres a level of respect missing from all this

Trite

Rruk do you want a personal autism role?

I am happy with the role Az gave me

Trite

Rruk do you want a personal autism role?

Personal shouldun't be a uniuque role, then we'll have 86 roles. Having the basics withoutu making it too basic is fine. Just like the Creative roles of Writer, Programmer, etc.

Noted, we'll discuss this later

an Orca Dork

I feel like that was a wrong read/assumption (edited)

What I meant was, making people have to ask the admins for the role will make some with more anxiety shy away

Kennyyeen

I feel theres a level of respect missing from all this

AS i've said before I relate more with Azburgeurs, than Autism itself. I may be "on the spectrum" but uI do not identify with being it in general.

Rruk/Ego

What I meant was, making people have to ask the admins for the role will make some with more anxiety shy away

yes

Kennyyeen

I feel theres a level of respect missing from all this

I hope I didn’t sound disrespectful. I admit Im a little frustrated

Rruk/Ego

I hope I didn’t sound disrespectful. I admit Im a little frustrated

This may come off as an apology but we do not know if we are rude, and we want to come off as communicative rather than "oops hehe"

I personally just keep a lot of my mental state quiet or with friends, I don't like to be catered too for what i've got and prefer to be treated like a normal peep.

an Orca Dork

This may come off as an apology but we do not know if we are rude, and we want to come off as communicative rather than "oops hehe"

@Rruk/Ego that sound like what it is?

Rruk/Ego

I hope I didn’t sound disrespectful. I admit Im a little frustrated

I believe there's been statements and actions in both directions

an Orca Dork

This may come off as an apology but we do not know if we are rude, and we want to come off as communicative rather than "oops hehe"

Its more an apology for not knowing how we look to others, rather than "Sorry I was knowingly rude to you"

Its just been a debate at like, 5 am

9:23 AM

I'm sure everyones tired and we've all broken that rule of, don't debate past 9 pm. It usually gets emotional or personal for some weird reason

Rruk/Ego

Hehe sadly Im more mass effect myself :9 its really fun hearing people gush

I gush all over quad balls and turian faces :v

an Orca Dork

@Rruk/Ego that sound like what it is?

Correct. We can be very blunt in our observations and very passionate in our arguments but that’s just how we communicate

Kennyyeen

I'm sure everyones tired and we've all broken that rule of, don't debate past 9 pm. It usually gets emotional or personal for some weird reason

I am consciously awake at these hours because I work morning shift

Rruk/Ego

Correct. We can be very blunt in our observations and very passionate in our arguments but that’s just how we communicate

Why does voice inflection have to exist

9:24 AM

Why do we have to do it by accident

I am naturally a night person. Its a broad gesture, less than a universal one

an Orca Dork

Why does voice inflection have to exist

Be thankful we don’t speak mandarin. Tone can change the meaning of a sentence in ways thar make english look flat

Why do I have to be monotone at all times vocally to avoid being "rude"

an Orca Dork

Why do I have to be monotone at all times vocally to avoid being "rude"

The real homies understand and will love you even if you talk about you hyper fixation for the hundredth time. I always have to tell people “if you did something wrong Id tell you” because people think Im grumpy at them when Im just focusing energy elsewhere and can’t control tone

Rruk/Ego

The real homies understand and will love you even if you talk about you hyper fixation for the hundredth time. I always have to tell people “if you did something wrong Id tell you” because people think Im grumpy at them when Im just focusing energy elsewhere and can’t control tone

We don't exactly tribe together under what Basics would call a "Label" It's more of an excuse to stop masking which is socially exhausting if it s a necessity.

9:31 AM

It so fucking relieving to hear Aussy randomly just mention Halo or MCC. For what may be just the mention of a game, literally takes an entire social mask off

Man give me an excuse to talk about kill six billion demons or mass effect and I will gush for like an hour excitedly

We take so much mental pleasure and stress relief in pure understanding. Which might be mundane to most.

an Orca Dork

We take so much mental pleasure and stress relief in pure understanding. Which might be mundane to most.

Fr

Chaos is mentaly overwhelming to a point. Labels aren't inherently against disorder, in an anarchy what do you do if there are no Labeled farms, food, or water? You die. In all cases of disorder, some order will rise to the surface and construct some foundations. Else your house won't be structurally sound. In a true case of anarchy which is 2b2t, you can live with a default MC Client, but you can survive with a hacked client.

an Orca Dork

Chaos is mentaly overwhelming to a point. Labels aren't inherently against disorder, in an anarchy what do you do if there are no Labeled farms, food, or water? You die. In all cases of disorder, some order will rise to the surface and construct some foundations. Else your house won't be structurally sound. In a true case of anarchy which is 2b2t, you can live with a default MC Client, but you can survive with a hacked client.

This is, to perpetuate the idea of the Server being Anarchy.

9:41 AM

The only thing that confuses me is that in January there were few staff, and all of them acted like server members. Why do we now have some Staff that act like staff? (edited)

9:43 AM

Geese, Kenny, Azserfy, and Hopfel all act more user friendly than the people who've applied with "past moderation experience"

Because its a basic friend by friend art server. Admins aren't necessary unless we're dealing with unknowns

They feel more like friends than "I better behave around this guy"

Also I have a past of server moderation, I just don't wear it like a badge because its not necessary.

9:44 AM

Its a friendly server, drama is fairly confined and smaller. I'm not here to be the guy with a stick unless its necessary

Kennyyeen

Its a friendly server, drama is fairly confined and smaller. I'm not here to be the guy with a stick unless its necessary

be the guy with a dick instead

I got one of those too

@an Orca Dork replaced the role with another one

Azserfy

@an Orca Dork replaced the role with another one

why not Azburger in reference to the Az Burger you drew one time (edited)

I wasn't sure people would understand ^^'

10:16 AM

I can edit it if you'd like

i feel like aspies are self aware of their own disorder sounding like ass burger xd

10:18 AM

people who get offended for aspies having their disorder name made fun of can go get diagnosed as "Normies" (edited)

Done

dum

annoy

dum

Done

ooooyoooo let;s goo

Trite

Like I've said before, we don't want to use tags because we want to facilitate conversation between our members. By using tags it stifles people into collecting into cliques, when we want to be a server where everyone is equal to each other.

Servers bigger than around 20 or so people are always gonna have cliques, and this server already has them. It's just how people are with large groups. People will wanna find smaller groups to interact with every now and then and people will know certain server members better than others

12:28 PM

12:29 PM

It's just the way things are. I don't think letting people have these roles if they want them is gonna hurt at all really, if the admins are willing to make em

12:29 PM

And it definitely won't make and more cliques than we already have lol

Imo this isn't the channel to go too deep into conversation about it Some weird idea that isn't quite conducive to this server is suggested here every half week.

Zalia @ FWA

Imo this isn't the channel to go too deep into conversation about it Some weird idea that isn't quite conducive to this server is suggested here every half week.

I... kinda disagree but I wasn't gonna go into depth anyway as most of the topic happened while I was in a signal dead zone. I figure it's more on topic here and this way doesn't disrupt the flow of general conversation in #chat

Scrolling up, I see how late my sentiments on that are. Yeesh.

It definitely doesn't belong in any of the other channels lol

The fact that discord has both an area for pronouns and an entire profile bio section negates the actual need for any token roles like what's being discussed here. The only reason we'd have them is to make a tiny percent of people happy. The only problem is like someone already mentioned, everyone here is goofycoded to some degree and this is really preferential treatment to cater to just a few people's wants and set them aside as special somehow.

Preferential treatment?

12:37 PM

Zalia it's just a role that says "be patient i have autism"

Good heavens I'm scrolling up and the conversation just keeps going

Azserfy

Zalia it's just a role that says "be patient i have autism"

Right? That role seems fine to me.

This is already a small server where plenty of people have their own custom roles already so I'd say thay's more of a reason why others should be allowed to do the same

If you want a role that says "i deepthroat uncooked hotdog" I'll give you one

Zalia @ FWA

Right? That role seems fine to me.

So where's the issue?

Also who even reads people's bios before talking in a vc? xD

12:39 PM

Or roles for that matter but oh well 🤷‍♂️

Azserfy

So where's the issue?

As per my last email

12:40 PM

The issue is the fact that people are butting heads or trying to discredit other people's opinions about it really

12:40 PM

"this server used to be so nice and ungoverned! All we want is a simple role!"

Zalia @ FWA

"this server used to be so nice and ungoverned! All we want is a simple role!"

No one said those two things

Yeah and I can point to exactly where verd said it

12:41 PM

Something about mods acting too much like mods or something like that

Let's drop this and move on to a better topic

12:42 PM

Let's rank all abrahamic religions from best to worse

Missile

Also who even reads people's bios before talking in a vc? xD

its not about before talking to someone, its about identifying with people. but ouf course, my asperger intentions arent seen as good, but only tribal

Is sperg a slur?

Azserfy

Let's rank all abrahamic religions from best to worse

One good thing about this server- we have a channel for that too

I want to know before i start using it inappropriately

hyper sperg

Understood

12:44 PM

Spergable

an Orca Dork

its not about before talking to someone, its about identifying with people. but ouf course, my asperger intentions arent seen as good, but only tribal

I just think it was a whole lot of fuss about something which really wouldn't have taken much effort to do and is something that a lot of people on this server already have. Didn't seem right to just change a stance and say no more custom roles all of a sudden

(sperg is absolutely a slur and i really discourage anyone from making light of Asperger's. Having it or identifying as having it doesn't excuse acting like a dick about it)

an Orca Dork

its not about before talking to someone, its about identifying with people. but ouf course, my asperger intentions arent seen as good, but only tribal

i think it's more natural to do so through talking rather than going through labels in profiles

Missile

I just think it was a whole lot of fuss about something which really wouldn't have taken much effort to do and is something that a lot of people on this server already have. Didn't seem right to just change a stance and say no more custom roles all of a sudden

real

Missile

I just think it was a whole lot of fuss about something which really wouldn't have taken much effort to do and is something that a lot of people on this server already have. Didn't seem right to just change a stance and say no more custom roles all of a sudden

custom roles for fun are fine i guess

annoy

i think it's more natural to do so through talking rather than going through labels in profiles

people with social anxiety are less likely to talk, and even more, ask about a specific disability

12:45 PM

Anxiety comes from "what if they _"

12:46 PM

and it shuts alot of socialization down

an Orca Dork

Anxiety comes from "what if they _"

i know exactly what social anxiety is man

annoy

i know exactly what social anxiety is man

You may have High functioning anxiety which lets you force the communication easier

12:47 PM

for people like my boyf, he gets completely locked up and isnt able to do or say much

an Orca Dork

You may have High functioning anxiety which lets you force the communication easier

nope, ask Geese how hard it was to even ease me into VC years ago.

12:48 PM

Only this year was i able to learn to talk to people i don't know.

Zalia @ FWA

(sperg is absolutely a slur and i really discourage anyone from making light of Asperger's. Having it or identifying as having it doesn't excuse acting like a dick about it)

i have azburgeurs(???)

Social disorders and social anxiety are things that need to be dealt with healthily on a personal level and aren't solved by simple labeling and identification. But as long as that's a given, cosmetic roles for personal reasons are fine. I think what people are objecting to more here is new precident being set without everyone being on the same page about it rather than simply objecting to people with certain issues being able to identify themselves as such (edited)

annoy

Only this year was i able to learn to talk to people i don't know.

nice!

Other than that, yeah I second az's motion and am gonna no longer further this convo

Putting on labels on yourself and others just raises more assumptions. I wonder how Verdrusk would tell me about Anxiety right now if i had a "was very socially anxious before" label on me

12:49 PM

this all is dum

Zalia @ FWA

Social disorders and social anxiety are things that need to be dealt with healthily on a personal level and aren't solved by simple labeling and identification. But as long as that's a given, cosmetic roles for personal reasons are fine. I think what people are objecting to more here is new precident being set without everyone being on the same page about it rather than simply objecting to people with certain issues being able to identify themselves as such (edited)

I dont know why everyone sees this topic as "People with those disabilties NEED to publicly show it and HAVE the role or be banned" It'd be simply to let others know I'm a masking free zone

That's a generalization of how other people are taking this

annoy

Putting on labels on yourself and others just raises more assumptions. I wonder how Verdrusk would tell me about Anxiety right now if i had a "was very socially anxious before" label on me

gosh im sorry, I barely know anything about you man :S

i think nobody would really look through labels to exactly know how to talk with you. That just gets figured out naturally through discussion.

Discusses with you and discusses with you and discusses with you and

Either way it's something that they want and they don't have to have it if they don't want it

Thanks for advocating for what you agree with either way

this discussion over something I thought would have been trivially simple has turned into people taking sides and I dont feel comfortable having started making that. I now, unwilling, see some of the conversees as "friendlies" (edited)

I sorta just want the easiest "this'll make everyone most comfortable" solution. I'm not fond of arguing really, though the irony of worrying about prefferrential treatment wasn't lost on me

Verd, half of the suggestions made here are things people disagree on at first. That's normal . Doubling down and trying to argue about it is what causes long drawn out discussions, not the fact that some people object.

What im seeing is: Asps: I prefer having some knowledge about them, because I can't get a read on them through my own lacking intuition Others: Why, that seems so small and insignificant.

12:58 PM

I guess uim arguing now?

12:58 PM

I thought this was a discussion most of the way through?

As long as a suggestion is something not forced on others, it's gonna be acted on. But anything that even barely affects other people is gonna bring their opinions about it to light.

12:59 PM

Yeah, I'd kind of classify it as an argument if we are still talking about the way it's being handled after the role that you wanted was made

Thought you'd let the convo die

Right, I'm bad at this

who

It is no longer going anywhere productive

annoy

Putting on labels on yourself and others just raises more assumptions. I wonder how Verdrusk would tell me about Anxiety right now if i had a "was very socially anxious before" label on me

i said something similar in VC when i was talking about it with ver

1:02 PM

it just causes more issues to happen cuz what if someone talks the "wrong way" or just ignores it (ik i would lol) if it didn't matter before why add it now -- also it'd just cause confusion and enable people treating each other differently just because of a label irrelevant to what this server is in the first place

1:02 PM

but if it gets added whatever idc just know it will cause issues in future if it does cuz i've seen it done in a couple other servers before (edited)

cause issues in a server that's only had drama occur in Gartic sessions?

why would it matter if it happened in a gartic session or not lol quite literally not a single person here even used the word gartic till now by you in this convo so idk why you're saying that (as if this server only does gartic?) (edited)

1:05 PM

it cause potential issues in any interaction that's done here since that's what roles are about

1:05 PM

that's what im saying

bazonga

why would it matter if it happened in a gartic session or not lol quite literally not a single person here even used the word gartic till now by you in this convo so idk why you're saying that (as if this server only does gartic?) (edited)

I referencing apparent drama that happened in a gartic session between hopfel and aymbord

that's their issue, not mine

1:06 PM

im just talking about the roles itself (edited)

1:06 PM

maybe it's why this talk is even happening in the first place, but im speaking regarding all possible interaction since other stuff happen here besides gartic (edited)

bazonga

why would it matter if it happened in a gartic session or not lol quite literally not a single person here even used the word gartic till now by you in this convo so idk why you're saying that (as if this server only does gartic?) (edited)

yes, I made a connection to a topic that was 2% related, sorry

it's fine not my problem anyway yall talk about this im gonna draw goofy shit in csp (edited)

I am adding a cooldown to this channel

Wh- nooo. We have been SILENCED!

Many other people have been allowed their custom roles. Why not let verd have theirs? Most people in the group know others have their own ways of socialising and if anyone has an issue with someone having asbergers or saying they have it (if they want to declare it) then I dunno if I'd be comfortable with that. That's mostly why the resistance felt pointless to me. A lot of discussion about preferential treatment when so many others already get preferential treatment already anyways

>maybe you guys should have made a thread

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1

remove discord actually

And everyone here is already friendly, why wouldu they see "OOMG THEY HAVE ASP" and choose to bully. That seems like a perfect setup for failure on their part

Zalia @ FWA

>maybe you guys should have made a thread

In response to the reactions: Because you seem to want to keep discussing this so bad :/

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1:17 PM

If you've got the wrong idea about this situation then spell it out in a thread

Not a bad idea tbh. The convo can be held there without necessarily being out of sight, nor would it end up swallowing up the entire channel. Folks wanna talk about an issue, I think it's best to let em talk about it

this is why i said dum...

Because we want to talk about something it needs to be in a thread? I don't follow. It's not really an issue talking about it here is it? Why does it need to be tucked out of sight in a thread? Seems fine as is imo, why create more unnecessary rules and bookkeeping? (edited)

Azserfy

Let's rank all abrahamic religions from best to worse

Don't start me

Geese boutta drop some controversial opinions also hey 5 minute slowdown still in effect aaaa but you can edit your messages to get around it eheh Sus amogus Normalize arguing by modifying your posts Never (edited)

Man lowkey feel like that guy walking into the room with the pizza and stuffs on fire lol. I hope everyone is ok

Krautzy

Geese boutta drop some controversial opinions also hey 5 minute slowdown still in effect aaaa but you can edit your messages to get around it eheh Sus amogus Normalize arguing by modifying your posts Never (edited)

Just counstruct au well written message every 5 minutesu

Alright I slept on it. Anybody who wants the roles can have them, anybody who wanted custom roles anyway can pretty much do whatever they want. Pop off king. Do anything. These roles are easy to make and easy to give and if something makes you more comfortable, it is yours. That said, I'd also be remiss to add a section in #deleted-channel for this, not because the heart isn't good or it's silly, but I'm imagining being a new person in the community and just being grabbed like that. >What art do you do >What colour do you want >What are your social disabilities >What are your pronouns >What's your sexuality >What are your kinks >In what ways are you comfortable being drawn When a lot of these don't have anything to do with art. I talk a lot and Verdrusk already gets on my case for going on, but a lot of these bullet points are a LOT of friction. It's not to say any of these ideas or lists are inherently bad, anyway, we're supportive as can be, but they ARE a different goalpost. I'm actually sort of uncomfortable walking into a server and seeing the 30,000 pronoun/diversity tags in an unrelated space; there were so many walls between me and nerding out about Caves of Qud in that community server, to the extent that people weren't even normally let in the server and the waiting list to get in took a year to get through, and even though I pretty much filled the questionnaire out with "I want to talk about Caves of Qud" I ended up just getting banned. I ideally understand the point and it'd be really cool to see y'all have any excuse to be more close to each other and talk better. I don't think it's something that actually relates to the art fanbase though-- like, realistically, we're not a dating app, so why would we make roles denoting someone's sexuality? If you're drawing someone you'll have plenty of time to ask what they're okay with. (edited)

I don’t get the dating app point. I think the point Verd and I were making was more we and by extension other neurodivergent people often like meeting others like us and an extra point I added was itd be nice representation for often marginalized groups of people to see others like themselves.

We're not actively fighting it, anyway. Take whatever you need as a role and a moderator should be more than happy to give it to you, even if you're like "I want like 10 funny tags." To me, though, internally, people are spilling what they want to on the table as it is, and if someone is truly looking for that safe space and is on the lookout for more people like themselves, I'd imagine that they already have the information in their bio. It really doesn't feel like an art server's job to help pair people off based on identification, the only thing we really concern ourselves over is art directly, yeah? And like obviously if enough people think it's a good implementation we can add it. The screenshot in my head of a post in the role selector of like "alright now select your social disabilities!" with a small possible list just makes me cringe.

Rruk/Ego

I don’t get the dating app point. I think the point Verd and I were making was more we and by extension other neurodivergent people often like meeting others like us and an extra point I added was itd be nice representation for often marginalized groups of people to see others like themselves.

My point there is more that your point here can be extended similarly to anything that identifies anybody, et la el a transgender person might be more inclined to get along with other transgender people-- hell, even schools have cliques that are gender segregated because the point of similarity there is what you're like, which is how things operate in the human species. "What's your favourite colour?" is a question that can jumpstart friendships in kindergarten when it's the same. I'm drawing a comparison between social disability and sexuality, which to me, is another social identifier. But that one is entirely out of place here. (edited)

not the green thing

My point there is more that your point here can be extended similarly to anything that identifies anybody, et la el a transgender person might be more inclined to get along with other transgender people-- hell, even schools have cliques that are gender segregated because the point of similarity there is what you're like, which is how things operate in the human species. "What's your favourite colour?" is a question that can jumpstart friendships in kindergarten when it's the same. I'm drawing a comparison between social disability and sexuality, which to me, is another social identifier. But that one is entirely out of place here. (edited)

Mmm slippery slope argument I understand. I don’t want to continue the debate I was just clarifying. We asked what we wanted

Rruk/Ego

Mmm slippery slope argument I understand. I don’t want to continue the debate I was just clarifying. We asked what we wanted

It was in the pursuit of being understood, in a world of misunderstanding.

Describe what your ideal here is, like how would you want such a thing to be implemented, Verdrusk?

Rruk/Ego

Mmm slippery slope argument I understand. I don’t want to continue the debate I was just clarifying. We asked what we wanted

It's not necessarily a slippery slope, I'm just outlining that you can categorize these things. Sexuality is going to fit in the same circle as social disability here, as far as point of common interest and ID. We're not going to implement a sexuality tag, so then, what makes the social disabilities different than that and why would we implement them despite? Like draw a line in the sand there. (edited)

Not art = not needed so u better be really nice if you want to be humored

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Wheh I mean not necessarily, Zalia. If there's enough reason and support for anything, I'd still implement it.

what the hell whats with the over-hostility (edited)

ALSO SORRY EVERYONE FOR BEING SO TIRED AND NOT QUALIFIED ALL THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS like I kept using the wrong vocabulary and having the worst takes and AAAA I was exhausted sorry

not the green thing

It's not necessarily a slippery slope, I'm just outlining that you can categorize these things. Sexuality is going to fit in the same circle as social disability here, as far as point of common interest and ID. We're not going to implement a sexuality tag, so then, what makes the social disabilities different than that and why would we implement them despite? Like draw a line in the sand there. (edited)

That’s not what we were asking for is the difference

But if we give you this and somebody asks for a sexuality tag, why would we not give it to them when we'd give you your thing? (edited)

I mean, we all suck at wording things sometime. ~~maybe now's a bad time to force everyone into 5 min slowmo~~

not the green thing

But if we give you this and somebody asks for a sexuality tag, why would we not give it to them when we'd give you your thing? (edited)

Geese is breaking the 5 minute slowmode cooldown booing

(edited)

Zalia @ FWA

Not art = not needed so u better be really nice if you want to be humored

Im not gonna be bullied into submission by someone who refuses to understand me and act out right hostile. I am formally complaining about how you’ve treated our request as if we’re trying to get away with something and your attitude towards people with disabilities. You all claim this server is about love and understanding but the only people who’ve tried to understand our request as we’ve asked it are people on the spectrum.

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an Orca Dork

Geese is breaking the 5 minute slowmode cooldown booing

(edited)

FUCK SHIT yeah sorry awawa

dum.

Geese abusing his admin slowdown ignore privileges when he could just remove the slowdown smh

Rruk/Ego

Im not gonna be bullied into submission by someone who refuses to understand me and act out right hostile. I am formally complaining about how you’ve treated our request as if we’re trying to get away with something and your attitude towards people with disabilities. You all claim this server is about love and understanding but the only people who’ve tried to understand our request as we’ve asked it are people on the spectrum.

Damn way to take that and crank it to eleven I'm not bullying anyone my guy

4:40 PM

Walk it back

4:40 PM

This is my funny response to geeseposting after an already tense day of this discussion going on

If you want to have a sexuality/disability in your profile, you have a bio you can add it to yourself. Why use server tags for it?

If you took it as hostile or bullying, I'm sorry, but I wasn't addressing you

4:41 PM

Your formal complaint just lets me know you'd rather twist my words and add ill intent to further divide the conversation into two camps (edited)

Yeah, my point still stands after this but in my opinion these kinds of mental disorders are something that you can specify in your bios without having to create entire role system here around.   I think the concept is cool, but it’s like, how is this going to improve our social interactions here? Like this is an art server guys, people come here to draw and that’s about it.   My social interactions here have never been affected by knowing or not knowing whether or not someone is one thing or the other. And if the person wants others to know, then so be it! They could just say that verbally, or keep that stuff in a bio

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I'm with kink

For the profile bio people ### Server Specific Bios are a Nitro feature (edited)

People who ask can get a personal role, like az said and acted on earlier, I like that too

4:43 PM

Az knows verd well and acted accordingly

Zalia @ FWA

If you took it as hostile or bullying, I'm sorry, but I wasn't addressing you

Zalia woooooah slow your roll. x -x

(slow mode is mean and should be disabled anyways)

I didn't turn that on, probably turn it off when we're also here talking a lot otherwise we ARE actually abusing admin powers. (edited)

Idk, usually you should be careful making jokes like that when discussing serious topics like disabilities... hard to take context and tone from just text. And my counterpoint to "how is it going to improve anything" - well, it may not? But all the people who have been here longer get their choice of custom roles so why can't they? It's not loke we're going around and labelling everyone by their mental health. Just two people want a role that they feel could help them. It's literally only a bother to the admin that needs to take 10 seconds to make the role, which Az has already done for you.

an Orca Dork

For the profile bio people ### Server Specific Bios are a Nitro feature (edited)

why not use the available bio then?

annoy

why not use the available bio then?

What if already used for other info

4:46 PM

Bios are also sometimes used for other things and may not want to tell every server some things. Plus character limits

I feel I dont need that to be publuic knowledge, as this is a private server

But those seem like edge cases, like you can turn these things on/off.

All of this is stupid.

It's a private server, yeah, not too many people. You can ask for roles or talk to people individually, the implication is that you're asking for an itemized list of people you're going to be more prone to like.

not the green thing

It's a private server, yeah, not too many people. You can ask for roles or talk to people individually, the implication is that you're asking for an itemized list of people you're going to be more prone to like.

And?

4:50 PM

That seems logical

You should realistically be looking at the server list and already see an itemized list of people you're prone to like.

It just doesn't seem fair to me that some people get to ask for roles then when verd and rruk ask for one it turns into a heated debate on whether they should be allowed their own custom roles or not

They didn't ask for custom roles, they asked that there be implementation for social disability roles in the server.

4:52 PM

They got their custom roles almost despite them not directly asking for them. ":^

All of this was started because verd brought up (again) the idea of the server having neurodivergent roles so neurodivergent people (literally everyone here) can find friends or understand why that person acts a certain way. While I think everyone mostly agrees that giving out or making new roles for this purpose on request is a good one, the popular consensus seems to be that this really shouldn't be a widespread feature this server. Most don't see the need to highlight something like this here. The difference between these sorts of roles and other custom roles people ask for is that this was raised in the server ideas channel instead of asked directly of an admin, creating an opportunity for discussion and dissent.

here's an idea

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this conversation isn't going anywhere

4:53 PM

how about we just

4:53 PM

stop

an Orca Dork

resuggesting Neuro-Diversity Roles to find new friends, and understand why people may act or say things a certain way

here's the first message in this long discussion for context

Additional problems keep being added when people see typing and go "it's an argument!" , adding to the tension

i'm gonna enforce my god (geese) given authority

annoy

here's the first message in this long discussion for context

Triple bumping this

Locked

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4:54 PM

You can still use the thread

Az nooo

Just once again, looking at this logically this is an art community. We’ve got a small group of people here who come here to draw and that’s about it. My opinion has always been to keep it simple that way, and just focus on keeping role selection systems simple.   We have art-related roles, event related roles, and that’s about it. Mental disabilities are something a lot more complicated than that, and I don’t think it’s really something we should be focusing on nearly as much as we do with art.   This might be a private server but that doesn’t mean more people aren’t joining. People are getting invited here constantly, and the conversation of mental health I believe is something that works better with a smaller group of people who are closer to one another, not an art community like this.

No don't do that, the house isn't burning down, not yet, awaaa

not the green thing

No don't do that, the house isn't burning down, not yet, awaaa

where do you keep the matches

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No bad you're gonna be the problem GeesePop

Mental disabilities are complicated, lets keep things here simple

Kink (fat geese)

Mental disabilities are complicated, lets keep things here simple

NO OKAY BUT DAMMIT THAT'S ALSO A TEERIBLE REASON NOT TO DO SOMETHING AAA

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4:56 PM

Event in like NOW

Yeah, let's just leave things like this for now haha, I'm not the person to be talking about these things

Server Idea: Every server idea has its point, what it aims to accomplish, and a form below it for repliers to fill out to keep simple requests from ballooning out into a 8 hour debate on the morals of people born without ulterior motives. (edited)

4:14 PM

Form has things like Why I'd say No: Why I'd say Yes: What feature does this already:

4:15 PM

And for staff Why I'd say No: Why I'd say Yes: What feature does this already:

Okay let me revisitalize this chat because I've been dealing with this drama for a few days and everyone is still salty OR feels bad for their contributions. I'll at least defined what happened and say why we've all been sort of been feeling like shit:

4:58 PM

https://youtu.be/VeFMdVIFsgs

Blessed Seal

Chaos visualized in mere seconds, demonstrated by a room full of ca...

5:00 PM

This server is a caalm reservoir full of cats doing their own thing and is being treated like a place we're all individually fundamentally involved in, so when one thing invades that safe space, it's like a Rube Goldberg machine.

5:01 PM

I've been doing my usual thing towards this by sort of curling up into the corner whenever something about the drama crops up, because that's how I deal with negativity. We all ARE supposed to be a family, sort of, and we're not used to the chagrin of our fellow man.

Verprey

Server Idea: Every server idea has its point, what it aims to accomplish, and a form below it for repliers to fill out to keep simple requests from ballooning out into a 8 hour debate on the morals of people born without ulterior motives. (edited)

To this effect! Server mods suggested we make the entire server ideas channel formatted like a forum, kind of, where each post just contains a thread and slowmode is turned on here for a ridiculous and reasonable length of time-- so a few hours. Like, you make your topic post, then it becomes a thread and is easier to ignore if you don't have a loud opinion and you aren't attracting everyone, especially people who want to "deal with things."

Verprey

Form has things like Why I'd say No: Why I'd say Yes: What feature does this already:

And as for your idea here Verdrusk: personally, I'd like a lil form like that, I'd include it in my posts if the OP outlined it, but I don't see a world where anybody's moderating to make sure the repliers actually fill it out-- you'll have to do that, sorta, but this is a good idea.

not the green thing

And as for your idea here Verdrusk: personally, I'd like a lil form like that, I'd include it in my posts if the OP outlined it, but I don't see a world where anybody's moderating to make sure the repliers actually fill it out-- you'll have to do that, sorta, but this is a good idea.

see the member and staff forms they are very different from each other :v

Verprey

see the member and staff forms they are very different from each other :v

Don't get underhanded already, this is how things got so bad last time. :/ (edited)

:v

5:35 PM

underhanded?

Geese stop geesing it

Verprey

underhanded?

They're the same thing. If you're pointing out that the only difference between them is one is spoilered, nevermind. But if not, it's an ironic framing device, which is underhanded.

Hopfel

Geese stop geesing it

I'M TRYING NOT TO, WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM MEEEE

5:57 PM

My name isn't a verrbbbbbb

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not the green thing

To this effect! Server mods suggested we make the entire server ideas channel formatted like a forum, kind of, where each post just contains a thread and slowmode is turned on here for a ridiculous and reasonable length of time-- so a few hours. Like, you make your topic post, then it becomes a thread and is easier to ignore if you don't have a loud opinion and you aren't attracting everyone, especially people who want to "deal with things."

I've seen ideas channels formatted as such. Rhe channel has no chat and is just a collection of threads. You have an idea, you have to create a thread for that idea and all the discussion on that thread is about that one idea. That way you can talk about that one thing as much as you want and people can suggest/discuss other ideas elsewhere. But it's still all in one place (and no need to tell people to move or create a thread mid discussion)

6:04 PM

It does mean people need to check regularly and see if new threads pop up, but once you follow it you can see when the thread gets new messages

Yeah! That was my reasoning. At some point, Monday, the conversation felt like people were jumping in without all the information at random because there was a chat with new messages, so a lot of people came in with tautology and non-sequiturs and others with directly related assertions got sort of trampled in the midst. (edited)

6:19 PM

Az was the one who suggested that though, and I really like the idea. (edited)

not the green thing

Yeah! That was my reasoning. At some point, Monday, the conversation felt like people were jumping in without all the information at random because there was a chat with new messages, so a lot of people came in with tautology and non-sequiturs and others with directly related assertions got sort of trampled in the midst. (edited)

threads have an underlying rule they will always have a 5 minute message cooldown to reduce keyboard Warfare

The slowdown and the removing peoples ability to talk were just frustrating at best

slowdown keeps

7:06 PM

you from

7:06 PM

posting nonstop

7:06 PM

in like

7:07 PM

segmented unfinished sentences

Missile

The slowdown and the removing peoples ability to talk were just frustrating at best

: v

Except for mods. Which is an ability I'm gonna look into somehow taking away if this is implemented too.

can someone tl;dr this

TL;DR yeah don't worry about it, negotiating down possible future drama based on past drama.

TLDR Geese geesed it

Hopfel

TLDR Geese geesed it

Ya GEESED IT! What a DINGUS!

:v

Rhodesy

Ya GEESED IT! What a DINGUS!

dingeese

Missile

The slowdown and the removing peoples ability to talk were just frustrating at best

mood, I think anyone who has something to say should say it even if poorly formatted. haha but Im weird and I see nothing wrong with people butting heads and arguing

Rruk/Ego

mood, I think anyone who has something to say should say it even if poorly formatted. haha but Im weird and I see nothing wrong with people butting heads and arguing

"more information"

its when people act overtly hostile and stop actually conversing and just throwing out mean spirited stuff that I think things have gone wrong

feed the internal information gods

Verprey

feed the internal information gods

god theres a part of me that wants to know EVERYTHING and I have to remind it people read that the wrong way lol

@not the green thing How is the online cook out coming along?

Evil Queen Me

@not the green thing How is the online cook out coming along?

online cock out

There should be a music sharing channel to share sum vibes, I had that as an idea

💾//:Winded💚

There should be a music sharing channel to share sum vibes, I had that as an idea

We HAVE technically been using the yes-mic VC text channel to do that, kinda, and when it doesn't fit, no-mic or shame (#bible-studies-and-discussion), BUT honestly I kinda agree? A channel for posting vibes and your own self-made music, especially for the audiophiles (music makers!) in the server cos they don't have their own art chat (edited)

not the green thing

We HAVE technically been using the yes-mic VC text channel to do that, kinda, and when it doesn't fit, no-mic or shame (#bible-studies-and-discussion), BUT honestly I kinda agree? A channel for posting vibes and your own self-made music, especially for the audiophiles (music makers!) in the server cos they don't have their own art chat (edited)

In my own opinion to possibly refine the idea, maybe we could have a vc where the music bots can go and a separate text channel to post music and sound work

9:22 PM

so that way, the one text/voice channel wouldn't be backlogged with bot commands

Yeah, that's currently the yes-mic VC text

9:27 PM

My point was to make the separate channel maybe

not the green thing

My point was to make the separate channel maybe

I think it would be nice to have a music share channel!

9:31 PM

honestly memes should just be renamed Media and everything that isn't conversation can go there, like music sharing and links

9:33 PM

but that's just my preferred naming convention

That's a Guud idea, I Like that

ooh so that's a formal server ideas motion @deleted-role should we A) make a new channel for specifically linking music (outside of simply playing music on the vc bot) or B) rename the memes channel to encompass other sorts of media? Open vote here and discussion in the thread

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3

Why don't we change #server-discussion to be formatted more like #deleted-channel ? So instead of a loose chat with ideas about it's a collection of threads about different ideas?

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Missile

Why don't we change #server-discussion to be formatted more like #deleted-channel ? So instead of a loose chat with ideas about it's a collection of threads about different ideas?

Heavily support this omg… and that way we don’t need to be having a whole new conversation any time someone wants to revisit an idea

Zalia @ FWA started a thread. 9/22/2023 5:21 PM

Rhodesy

Heavily support this omg… and that way we don’t need to be having a whole new conversation any time someone wants to revisit an idea

bro vote for it

Zalia @ FWA

ooh so that's a formal server ideas motion @deleted-role should we A) make a new channel for specifically linking music (outside of simply playing music on the vc bot) or B) rename the memes channel to encompass other sorts of media? Open vote here and discussion in the thread

Music-and-video Channel??? (edited)

Redundant name

9:16 PM

Doesn't need to be that long

9:16 PM

Media works with less letters

Zalia @ FWA

Media works with less letters

sorry

No need to be sorry?

haha geese told you!!! Chaos always ends up in systems!!!!!!!

baking channel

3:28 PM

baking text channel

3:28 PM

channel where i can post baked goods

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(bakingpilled and doughcoded tbh)

4:20 PM

Wouldn't the previous motion of renaming memes to media suit this? Food and food porn could go there

pastrymaxxing

where tf did the art advertisement channel go

It was deleted because it doesn't fit the values of this server, and was made without a unanimous decision by the admins

Minceraft chanel

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chat, do we have a minecraft server?!

The Awesome Buneater (18+)

chat, do we have a minecraft server?!

We have at least two:) mine and Aussy’s

woag

The Awesome Buneater (18+)

woag

JONN I Get on sometime or face my wrath :3

Phantasmagoria𓅓

JONN I Get on sometime or face my wrath :3

i willllllll

5:57 PM

whats the ip?!

Not this channel!

The Awesome Buneater (18+)

whats the ip?!

Links and socials silly billy

6:26 PM

Rhodesy posted it

okiedokie

7:21 PM

(prolly won't be able to join tonight,,)

Thasssss oki Jon we just started the world :3

Server idea; Geese has to pet the local Ludroth on a regular

Server idea, Geese has to pet all the dergs

Agreed

:L

Hi, I'm Jayden! :3

Minceraft chanel

minecraft channel

1:48 AM

it is a creative medium

Okay minecraft text channel thread

@not the green thing sticker??? (edited)

8:05 AM

Needs more yogurt

because of the influx of minecraft what if we had a role for that and a blank role for membership @ everyone as a role would be unable to see any channel or vc Minecraft role would allow the seeing of the Minecraft #chat and #vc as well as #no for a better guest role experience anyone with the blank named role can see the rest of the server I've set up a system like this on my Halo 5 server that I put my sounds on, so any Furries/nonHalo players aren't listed and they can't see any channels on the server Alternatively I think you can just make a Heathen role for Guests so they can't see any channels except no-mic and yes-mic

I have brought up this idea already with the staff and the answer is no. The idea is that we don't want to promote other things outside of art in the server, we want people to draw more than anything. It's even one of the core rules of the server. The heathen role can be brought up for debate though

Let's make a thread for that!

Verprey started a thread. 10/5/2023 11:15 PM

Every time we want to say geese. We replace it with 🪿

🪿

12:44 AM

hmm i don't think this character is displaying for me, it's just a square, is that right?????

12:44 AM

Anyways i second neo's motion but we replace geese's name with swears

This should be a rule

Update your Unicodes

6:30 AM

He's a wedg, not a square.

i love %!$(@! He's so funny.

Love this animal The %##@#

Fake creature Impostor

More casual vc channels plz

2:59 AM

Like a second yes mic other than Art Voice so we have a second room for general topic things?

6:34 AM

Normally id agree cause every other voice chat has a super specific purpose but when has the general voice channel ever been so full or busy that people needed to bump off into a group that couldn't go to an existing one?

6:35 AM

I made a yes mic 2 out of curiosity to see if it actually gets used more than the art channel or 3 person social angst channel

I do feel sometimes there’s a LOT of people in yes mic but it’s infrequent and when there is people often just jump into art voice as a retreat as it is. Like in that sense art voice is acting as a secondary general chat but understanding that it isn’t meant for that makes a second general vc seem practical. I get where sharners coming from :3

Is there a point to having voice channel categories in the first place, now that you can have topics in them?

5:04 PM

You could just make Voice 1, 2 and 3 and use the topic function to say if you want it to be art or hangout or gayming

:O

6:12 PM

oh

6:13 PM

damn, mink, no need to wave your triple digit neuron count in front of me like that that's genius

6:14 PM

I think having the member capped tutorial vc is pretty important so you can have uninterruptible tutoring sessions but you have a real good idea there i wanna see what other people think about that

Yeah member limit channels still make sense for folks who don't like multicock.

I like it

7:53 PM

Geese approval

Tizzy

More casual vc channels plz

an Orca Dork

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How tho

bot detects you in that vc makes a vc with your name and drags you into it (edited)

Official bot man Trite's gonna have a job soon

6:40 AM

https://voicemaster.xyz/

VoiceMaster

VoiceMaster - Temporary Voice And Text Channels On Discord

Create customizable temporary channels on Discord, get rid of the channel clutter on your server, and invite VoiceMaster!

Cool feature but just like cupholders on a horse's saddle, do we actually need this

Mink of the End

You could just make Voice 1, 2 and 3 and use the topic function to say if you want it to be art or hangout or gayming

????

6:52 AM

tuned in and saw something, so I gave a probable solution

That's a neat solution

6:53 AM

But I solved it by adding yes mic 2

what the hell happened to the social anxiety channel with 4 slots??

it appears to have 3 slots now

there were two

7:53 PM

one with 3 slots one with 2 slots

7:55 PM

consider making the green music bot its own like 4 (1 bot & 3 people) person anxiety channel called "Anxiety and Chill" then Fishbot's commands are allowed everywhere else because that one leaves when afk

7:55 PM

also give Greenbot and Fishbot admin privileges so they can move into full channels

not the green thing

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Ok :3 c’mere

not the green thing

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alrighty then, DMs if not joshin

GrummanTheCat…?

alrighty then, DMs if not joshin

YOU must draw it!

fuck

Phantasmagoria𓅓

Ok :3 c’mere

YOU are not allowed, sorry, too late

GrummanTheCat…?

fuck

Counting down from ten minutes starting now

@not the green thing

Alright I'd call that a win

12:05 AM

Good job, you earned this one

not the green thing

YOU are not allowed, sorry, too late

not the green thing

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Zalia @ FWA

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Oh god

not the green thing

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Zalia @ FWA

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:)

PLEASE. Minecraft channel

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Pros: Nate has the art Minecraft world and it's hecking art Minecraft it's CRAZY and we support the FUCK out of it Cons: "guys I have this survival mode world join it the ip is vr.art.distraction lets play games together"

While this server fosters a healthy community and it's great that people are making friends and doing activities together, this place is primarily focused on hosting drawpile/gartic events and it would be very easy for people to start showing up who weren't interested in partaking in or supporting these events if we began endorsing unnoficiated activities. (edited)

3:45 PM

This is something we've talked about extensively and is one of the first questions going on the FAQ board

3:49 PM

I think it's fine if you start your own discord server for Minecraft and invite people verbally in VC and in DMs when appropriate, but moderating that is something we aren't going to start doing so it can't happen here.

That’s fair

I just didn’t want to flood the art channels with my builds

not the green thing

Pros: Nate has the art Minecraft world and it's hecking art Minecraft it's CRAZY and we support the FUCK out of it Cons: "guys I have this survival mode world join it the ip is vr.art.distraction lets play games together"

weren't we gonna do a 2 hour minecraft build session some time?

an Orca Dork

weren't we gonna do a 2 hour minecraft build session some time?

or even just minecraft creative Mondays

5:10 PM

buildpile

Looks like we gotta use the yes mic channel boys

5:15 PM

…and no mic

We can do Minecraft events but I'm still like, they gotta be ART

6:24 PM

We got obsessed with Minecraft in this server already for like three weeks that one time, soz

We could make a channel for arts that aren't traditional 2D or 3D art in mediums that are a little more niche compared to like 2D art or 3D sculpting or whatever for things like Minecraft, or Terraria builds, or like game stuff that could be considered "alternative" art I guess, or like music n shit (edited)

3:57 AM

Hey, maybe even youtube videos and stuff

GrummanTheCat…?

We could make a channel for arts that aren't traditional 2D or 3D art in mediums that are a little more niche compared to like 2D art or 3D sculpting or whatever for things like Minecraft, or Terraria builds, or like game stuff that could be considered "alternative" art I guess, or like music n shit (edited)

I support this idea

I am opposite of geese, I don't see why those don't belong in the art channels.

4:02 AM

In moderation

I mean, compare digital art to something like music or minecraft

I mean it is art

4:02 AM

Art is broad

But we're so broad that we're hanging up a sick beat alongside our Mona Lisas

This being a primarily 2d focused collaborative art meetup server shouldn't exclude other mediums

4:03 AM

And imo doesn't

It's technically being more inclusive given how oppressive the amount of digital 2d art we have is, no?

4:05 AM

Like I have been asked on multiple occasions if there was a music channel

I would not call it oppressive. I would call it more common.

I feel like whenever I wanna post minecraft stuff its like hanging a child's drawing in an art museum with scotch tape. Like you scroll through it and you go "That's odd. what the fuck?"

I think that's a lack of confidence in your work speaking! I don't believe anyone would have a problem with that. If we can't consider artwork made in any medium just as valid as any other, then we're not an art server.

That is fair. But like-

Making a separate channel for different mediums feels like we're admitting that we think it's less real and deserves to be stuck to a fridge instead of an art gallery.

what if I wanted to share a really cool factory design in Satisfactory

Zalia @ FWA

Making a separate channel for different mediums feels like we're admitting that we think it's less real and deserves to be stuck to a fridge instead of an art gallery.

We could just call the channel "the fridge" for doodles and lower effort art

4:08 AM

maybe?

4:08 AM

or not lower effort but like-

4:08 AM

Those with slightly lesser confidence, or confidence but misplaced

Then share it. If it's artistic, it's art. I'd rather encourage people to post all sorts of weird things they made as art than slowly rack up a dozen different new channels, personally. Feature creep is something I'm pretty outspoken against.

Also that's fair

4:09 AM

I was a mod in a different server and it certainly was feature creep

We shouldn't cater to people with less confidence here. We should hype them up and support them and show them they're peers and not underlings here so they get more of it. Right?

Yeh.

I frown when people say they're afraid to join a drawpile with the likes of the recognisable artists they spy here. I always want to shake them by the shoulders and yell at them that we're here to draw shitposts together, not compete. People are always so preoccupied with how shitty their art will look next to hopfels that they never think about how the thing they doodle is going to get funny little guys doodled on it by The Hopfel

Beautifully said.

Comparing yourself to other artists is the best way to separate yourself from them. The shared interest in art is what should bring people together no matter the skill gap or comfort level and let them have a moment of.. mentorship? Just good plain jolly interaction? Idk. I personally think a factorio build or Minecraft town can be appreciated just as much as a doodle of a furry. And while a Minecraft build is more prone to spark longer conversation than your average 2d doodle, I think a thread can solve that just as much as fencing it up in a dedicated channel could.

4:15 AM

But that's my take. I support the idea of sharing things like Minecraft builds here just as much as Geese does, but my opinion doesn't want a separate channel because I don't think it needs it.

That is true

Vent channel?

to vent about art?

not necessarily art i think just like- it was a general request because of like- it's a general community but, at the same time i'm a little on the edge about making a vent channel cuz if it's not used properly then well...

2:30 AM

naja...

2:31 AM

i'm not opposed either tho it's just... yknow

I just wanna say to anyone who posts in vent channels; I have never perused one without thinking to myself “oh they should see a therapist” Like idk who a vent channel benefits..? Take your problems to people equipped to deal with them, or at the very least - to specific friends who know you well enough to talk you thru them. But idk…! Call me out if that’s a bad opinion

2:41 AM

I just fail to see the benefit; but maybe that’s just me

Rhodesy

I just wanna say to anyone who posts in vent channels; I have never perused one without thinking to myself “oh they should see a therapist” Like idk who a vent channel benefits..? Take your problems to people equipped to deal with them, or at the very least - to specific friends who know you well enough to talk you thru them. But idk…! Call me out if that’s a bad opinion

Nah I think that’s valid

Airing your grievances can feel good. Although I've only seen them go very badly, with people who were "vented" about later joining and getting upset about seeing that old laundry, Hot Spicy Takes wrapped up in a vent or people trying to help someone who just wants to rant and causing only more grief.

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yeah...

2:46 AM

that

On the other hand, channels like "help-and-feedback", where it's clear that you do want people to chime in, I've seen go well. While I previously used to think that you can just use other "your-work"-esque channels for it, having it separated seems to make folks more likely to use it. Uh, I guess that wouldn't exactly be a venting channel, but seems like something in that direction more befitting some kind of art chat.

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Like what is a vent channel in practice if not a useless dump of information..? You have Twitter for that - your cup already runneth over with methods for screaming at the void, if it helps. If you’re looking for specific/constructive introspection from community; you have DM’s and/or related categories for discussion within the scope of the server. In that regard an “advice” channel might be helpful to some people? But like vent? Eugh.

#bible-studies-and-discussion, no?

2:56 AM

I thought that that's what that was, anyway.

not the green thing

#bible-studies-and-discussion, no?

I thought that used to be the NSFL chat??? And you just renamed it to be silly!!!

not the green thing

#bible-studies-and-discussion, no?

You have never even once been clear on what that chat is for geese

Phantasmagoria𓅓

You have never even once been clear on what that chat is for geese

I mean, remove Bible and that's pretty much it. It's like misc, I guess.

I remember at one point you did be goin off about some bible passages in there tho? I liked it:) reverend geese

I run the All Faith's Holy Agnostic Temple

3:03 AM

We celebrate agnosticism there obviously but it's inclusive agnosticism

You lost me

I'm doing an internal parody of all faith churches

3:05 AM

"We're inclusive, you can come hear us preach even if you don't believe! :D"

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Take me to snurch

3:12 AM

(Snail church)

This idea is pretty out there but like… what if there was a place to post reference material? Especially IRL NSFW stuff… like I feel WEIRD googling “pics of the big peenis” etc and I feel like we all have a folder of good pics we’ve gathered from different places for purely scientific reasons anyway

5:19 PM

Please shoot me down tho because even as I say it I’m like “hmm that’s a slippery slope into making the server even lewder/weirder/uncomfy” for like… a good portion of us who already maybe have not enjoyed the NSFW focused stuff

Irl nsfw is probably best posted elsewhere

5:24 PM

But we do have a reference stuff channel!

5:25 PM

#advice

Yeah, I talked myself out of it already haha don’t worry. I’m just so rattled bc I saw the most perfect and squishy butt pic and it’s such incredible reference material for Furry Art™ and it has me thrashing internally that I cannot show yous guys… because it’s literally such a thing that furry artists DRAW and I didn’t even know that real butts could have the same material properties

I suppose I will simply have to make my own art whilst studying it and share later

"look at this particular pose this model shot, this would be great to reference from" quickly turns into "oh, an irl nsfw channel? I think I'll share a pic of my scrotum" with furry circles, I've found

Zalia @ FWA

"look at this particular pose this model shot, this would be great to reference from" quickly turns into "oh, an irl nsfw channel? I think I'll share a pic of my scrotum" with furry circles, I've found

Precisely my fear too

No offense to any furries present, but there's always that one individual out of two hundred who lacks any self awareness or decorum

5:28 PM

And we draw shitposts here, not really pro sat sketches

Zalia @ FWA

No offense to any furries present, but there's always that one individual out of two hundred who lacks any self awareness or decorum

The other issue is I am certifiably That Individual

(I do at least)

Rhodesy

The other issue is I am certifiably That Individual

Uh oh...

But like! In a fun and cute way tee hee I have done nothing wrong ever, actually

5:32 PM

“Technically it counts as self awareness if I recognize beforehand that I would be the one to break the rules by not being self aware!” My therapist: uhhhh

Geese Rescue