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Dafuq

Don't worry about it

WELCOME TO THE SLUG PIT

NOOOO THE SLUG PIT

>muted, forever

I wish to bring up, amongst these few, I do not trust Malf and to keep a close eye on him. He is not a good lad.

1:26 AM

This is all, back to slug

I don't think i'll have admin powers for long, so i will leave my :3 here

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funmky

2:05 AM

we have had this in a couple other discord servers for a MONTH now

I was mostly joking and pretending to be the moderator i'm not with that "moderator applications" post BUT Azerfy dm'd me instantly AND i think he's an upstanding individual and not cringe AND he can absolutely click the three buttons needed to host a gartic or drawpile session

12:56 AM

@not the green thing how serious are you at taking on one or two more dependable and reputable moderators as this place grows at a breakneck pace

Yeah why not

I'm entirely looking past the fact that Az thinks i'm an administrator here and the only reason i even have this role is because you forgot to remove it

I genuinely trust every single person here. Except for like. Three people. But they aren't the type to care anyway.

OK so i cant actually do administrative stuff at the level of the administrator role

12:59 AM

you're gonna have to add that to az yourself

12:59 AM

i don't think administrator role can reach sideways, only down

Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiine

1:00 AM

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

:P

You have made a terrible mistake

step so much as a single toe out of line and i'll draw your character as just a tail with a head attached

Okay ban him

1:03 AM

I'm still waiting for someone to actually do evil here

1:03 AM

Isn't the point of power to abuse it

1:03 AM

Like cmon

the more we all hang out the more attached we become to eachother and the less we actually want to fuck up

Laaaame

but if it makes you feel better, i just changed Null's special role to be green and say "geese" and we'll see how long till he notices

You did WHAT

im gonna do this to people whenever you complain that we aren't doing enough evil

Yeah okay fair

1:06 AM

Do mod things anyway, I have to return to work

1:06 AM

Welcome anyway Az, the other person I was considering putting here was Rhodesy but like

1:07 AM

They seem busy a lot, I don't want to imply that they need to be around more or less

1:07 AM

Anyway have fun

not the green thing

I'm still waiting for someone to actually do evil here

Imagine that

literally can't figure out who did it cause i cant tell anyone apart anymore

Truly a mastermind

4:14 AM

just ask and I'll stop

Azserfy

just ask and I'll stop

This is probably the best thing that's happened to this server

Worst part is he changed his own name and not mine so its only a matter of time before I'm blamed

I have a suggestion

4:33 PM

Ever heard of dixit?

4:33 PM

https://play-tixid.online/en/

Tixid Online

Play Dixit online with your friends or with players around the world !

4:33 PM

you can play an open version online apparently

4:33 PM

it would be fun with a few people if we can make it work

What's it

6:17 PM

What kinda game

essentially a game where you have cards with enigmatic and poetic/absurd illustrations on them

5:32 PM

one player has to pick one of his cards and describe it with a word, a sentence, or anything

5:32 PM

then all other players musy find a card in their hand that could match the prompt

5:32 PM

cards are shuffled and all players except the first one have to guess what was the original card

Hmmm :3c

7:16 PM

sounds fun i'd play

it's pretty fun!

10:43 PM

what's neo gartic phone

neo?

11:01 PM

or new?

11:01 PM

or next?

O h

11:14 PM

Uh

Small people

9:26 AM

You think you're the only ones who can do evil

9:26 AM

Suffer

See, I don't respect power as a concept. Give someone a gun in a situation where nobody else are allowed to have guns? We're all angry at police officers, there's a tangible, invisible wall of separation where people are allowed to do things in a world governed by freedom. I believe in anarchy. But, power is upon me. Like, I don't want to be better than anybody else here, I don't like moderating at all. Drama bad. No kickbans or bullying. Can't handle the confrontation. So my only real contributions are going to be asking what other people want if I can help it, and any other stakes that I'll have, things that only I can do, are always always going to be in the name of FUNNY EVIL. To do the whole confirmation bias thing. Power corrupts or something, why am I on a throne, I'm afraid of heights get me down. All I have up here is a bucket of water balloons and snowballs. (edited)

Best joker quote

I'm posting webms that loglessly inject bootcode into people's discord clients to scrape their credit card info.

3:33 PM

Funny evil!

Funny evil idea

12:13 AM

I change my server profile username to geese and put on a server profile picture of the green wej

12:14 AM

And geese(real) changes his to Zalia and borrows my face

12:14 AM

And we try our best to act like the other and see how long till someone notices

12:14 AM

Oh I forgot, banner change too if nitro

12:15 AM

So I'd just change mine to the same green as geeses

12:15 AM

Oh fuck and maybe "about me" would have to temporarily match or switch too

12:15 AM

The goal here being only the real discord username being the obvious giveaway

You all are vile

I support it

6:46 AM

I'll play along

I also support

Let's plan when to do this

3:01 PM

We should time it with the Great Ungeesening so everyone is too busy looking at their rightfully returned usernames

drawpile in an hour in 30 minutes!

4:29 PM

wait it changed to gartic??

Zalia @ FWA

We should time it with the Great Ungeesening so everyone is too busy looking at their rightfully returned usernames

Probably a little after because I imagine we'll ungeese in the Group A session

Muahahaha

7:01 PM

Well anywho I'm at work rn (crying) so I'm sorry I can't make it today or seemingly ever

S'okay

8:29 PM

We didn't ungeese anyway ;w;

Zalia @ FWA

Well anywho I'm at work rn (crying) so I'm sorry I can't make it today or seemingly ever

you were with us in spirit

Oh no it's green Chris again

Had very little time pensive_shark

The supreme logo

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Why are apps so hellbent on making updates no one want or asked for when

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

11:04 PM

like, discord has a point with this one, it is really inconvenient to have to remember four numbers

11:04 PM

but like

11:05 PM

nobody is sharing their discord without having their phone out anyways, and nobody is just slinging their tag around like an influencer on twitter either. Most people aren't going to have usernames that are any easier to say outloud than four numbers.

11:06 PM

This is going to create fights over usernames, eradicate the nitro benefit of custom numbers, and introduce real-world markets for discord names- all for the benefit of.. making giving your profile account to people slightly easier for some people?

i liked not getting random friend requests from people who only know my username

I dislike this update greatly.

With teamspeak trying to be more hip and modern and discord taking steps to actively resemble and have the same features as other platforms, discord is quickly losing their niche

2:05 AM

Which is sad, because them being exactly what they are is why they're so successful, not their marketing or PR (which is frankly quite bad on both accounts)

2:05 AM

I wish the people up top actually understood that

2:06 AM

We are here for the utility, not because you have added features that used to be iconic of other platforms or that you got dany devito to be in your sad little live action commercial that felt as confusing and directionless as the retropunk futureverse aesthetic your graphics team keeps shitting all over the floor

Imagine a place was an epitome of cringe

Suggestion: If the announcements channel had an announcement announcing the creation of the #links-and-socials channel, i think way more people who poke their heads in here would go make a socials post

Right! Thank you for letting me do this aaaa

I didn't let u do jack it was geese who gave you the unholy power

4:32 AM

Also if you think my funny meme doesn't belong in the announcements channel please tell me lol I just think it fits the vibe of this crazy place

I think its perfect

Zalia @ FWA

Also if you think my funny meme doesn't belong in the announcements channel please tell me lol I just think it fits the vibe of this crazy place

I'll leave it for a bit, but again, I don't want this place to mainly be horny. x wx

5:52 AM

Like, the TECHNICAL ideal is that the focal point is art overall, vorny stuff takes a backseat.

5:56 AM

Also I ungeesed everyone slowly, the only remaining Geese'd people are now Wings and Aussy

not the green thing

I'll leave it for a bit, but again, I don't want this place to mainly be horny. x wx

haha i figured

Rhodesy has been unwillingly added because of their free labor (Gartic-related)

8:45 PM

Anyway back to being a gay little animal

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not the green thing

Click to see attachment 🖼️

The energy is electric I ship them

9:06 PM

Also oooo hidden channel

It's not a real channel

9:33 PM

This is where we play hookey

9:33 PM

Hooky

9:33 PM

Uh

9:34 PM

Not-go-to-school

1

this is where we pracrice kissing

1

You like kissing sharks, don't you

9:35 PM

You're a shark kisser

9:36 PM

fuck around and find out

I definitely am

I like tuna

not the green thing

I like tuna

Every time I come here expecting something of value and every time I am disappointed yet unsurprised

Rhodesy

Every time I come here expecting something of value and every time I am disappointed yet unsurprised

Your suffering is based off of expectation; if you were to expect nothing every time, you could only leave being impressed by the presence of content and any emotions attached therein, like the humor in "I like tuna" because am funni guyy

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I was seriously agonizing most of the night over whether or not kicking someone in my first 12 hours of Power™ would be well received and I just

2:49 AM

Idk why I was worried 😵‍💫

Just ask in this chat if unsure :D

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Serious note: banning someone because they're nonfurry and your ex? Do they make you uncomfortable and you don't want them around anymore? Doesn't sound like you banned them for something they did, more like who they are and how their profile looks.

3:15 AM

How would you respond to a devil's advocate type statement like this?

3:21 AM

I ask because, well, your worries weren't unfounded- banning someone without mentioning why to other mods and putting "cleaning up my own mess" as the reason for the ban was a little SUS and could probably use a little more communication in regards to it- But if this is someone who you're uncomfortable being around for personal reasons, that's absolutely something you can talk about to one of us in confidence long before you're awarded the power to quietly ban them yourself. Saying "I'm uncomfortable being around XYZ person for [reason] and don't want to drawpile with them" to me or geese or blue (or az) in private is always an option

3:22 AM

As it is for everyone else in this group.. whether it's known, desired, or appropriate or not. We aren't interpersonal moderators, we just keep this place relatively organized.

Idk if semantics matter here but I kicked them (not ban) pretty sure the only reason they joined was because I visited their place when Geese was organizing the EEAAO watch event - we used their discord account to join the event from their computer. I had hoped they might get something out of the server too but I know they haven’t touched anything in here since then. I’ve got nothing against them (I don’t think they like me so much anymore but that’s a different can of worms) removing them was just getting rid of some clutter that I tracked in

that tracks!

4:11 AM

no problems from me lol

4:12 AM

nobody here thought you used your newly granted mod powers to eliminate someone you didnt like, im sure, so don't worry

Zalia @ FWA

nobody here thought you used your newly granted mod powers to eliminate someone you didnt like, im sure, so don't worry

~yet~

4:13 AM

Jk I’m a good noodle

Zalia @ FWA

nobody here thought you used your newly granted mod powers to eliminate someone you didnt like, im sure, so don't worry

RHODESY WITH THE THANOS SNAP

7:06 PM

THE WHEEL CHOSE AND NOW YOU WILL BE DELETED

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I would be interested in organizing another watch party; how do ya’ll think I should go about that? Spontaneous events tag? In announcements or chat?

Personally I feel a little icky about non-art related events like movies or games (because that ain't what this server is about)

6:36 PM

Maybe if it's dressed up as reference viewing, like say an artsy animated movie that has a peculiar style?

The thing I had in mind actually was Midnight Gospel so that actually works bc I’m obsessed with the art style

7:10 PM

But also sort of a stretch for being art related so eh

i mean it's a chill server with chill people in it

7:14 PM

what's a watch party or DRG session between consenting adults

If it's not the rule, sure whatever! The idea is just that, you see people hanging out in VC, the expactation is you can join them and draw, together or individually. Instead you join and they're playing a game or watch a movie which just isn't the same

7:16 PM

The whole encouragement to draw thing and the such

I would actually love to use watching something together as a vehicle for creating art tho like drop your OC’s into scenes from the thing or emulate the style etc.

The Midnight Gospel is a trip for sure though

10:01 PM

I've watched it twice and will still safely say that there is a total of one bad episode, and everything else just seems cool

not the green thing

I've watched it twice and will still safely say that there is a total of one bad episode, and everything else just seems cool

Curious to know if you think it was the very first one bc I also think there was only one bad episode and that was the literal pilot lmao

Naw, the pilot to me was okay, but it was understandably meh compared to a lot of those episodes

10:49 PM

PEAK was the interview with death imho

10:50 PM

Lowest was the episode about stealing the green grease, and then it's a quarter-episode about meditation

Ah I respect your ranking but I like that episode at least for fleshing out the world more

I don’t think it was a great episode either but it felt necessary

Opinion: this is an art server and is only for the drawpiles and gartics. IF something like a multiplayer gaming party or watch party is to be organized here, we should not make a server event out of it, but rather allow someone to use the spontaneous events role to organize such an event within 48 hours of said event only after asking around informally to gauge interest and gather interested folk first.

12:56 AM

But also, what hop said. This place just isn't conducive to organized gatherings where people aren't doing some sort of art that newcomers can watch or join in on.

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Can we get someone to verify that Shyguy9 is 18+? If they’re who I think they are I unfollowed/blocked them on Twitter like, less than a year ago because word got out that they were a minor doing NSFW Like it’s fine I guess if they’re actually an adult now for whatever that’s worth but aaAAAAA just thought I should mention the nonzero possibility of an actual child in here

I'm the one who let him in

6:02 PM

I can attest he is the real shyguy9

I might be thinking of someone else entirely just because of the discord profile picture

and... dude. Shyguy9 has been in the community since at least 2010 (edited)

6:04 PM

you might be thinking of Korrie?

bumbleblues on Twitter is the person I was thinking of

6:07 PM

Yeah no fully false alarm I just got spooked by the dotty brushwork in the profile pic and went fight or flight mode

Shyguy9 is like James Howard level representation

oh shit shyguy is in this server?

i am the imp whisperer

summoner of the abyssal

6:58 PM

do we have to make a blood sacrifice to get him to join drawpiles?

not the green thing

Shyguy9 is like James Howard level representation

Yeah in retrospect I think I already knew this too? Fascinating that I have a literal fear response to splotchy brushes 😵‍💫

wait why

I guess this is my turn to pull an Azserfy and do a little evil

1:46 AM

All I did was edit the server icon and name and people have somehow taken it so much more poorly than they took everyone's names being Geese ":] (edited)

New evil era omg time to lie and cheat and steal (more)

....evil....

3:18 AM

ough noh...

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Motion to ban geese for illegal geesing

7:03 AM

As well as legal geesing (edited)

Premeditated geesing with malicious intent

AND WHAT'RE YOU GOING TO DO TO STOP ME AHAHAHAH

Put you in butt

9:20 AM

Then get a vodka enema

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Yeah that'd work

Then light a match

9:27 AM

And get rid of you until the next blood moon

Noh

Azserfy

Then light a match

jEEEEEEZ

not the green thing

AND WHAT'RE YOU GOING TO DO TO STOP ME AHAHAHAH

I could put upon your shoulders an irrevocable badge of shame

4:48 PM

That's actually very mean

4:48 PM

That's not even a threat that's just rude

4:49 PM

I didn't realize you were such a bulli

i wheel out the actual threats to gauge your reaction before resorting to playful vore pranks

I half-expected you to just do it anyway :)

not the green thing

That's actually very mean

I just woke up, and in hindsight this sounded more serious than anything I say ever should

not the green thing

I just woke up, and in hindsight this sounded more serious than anything I say ever should

You gotta sprinkle in the uwu

5:46 PM

Rookie mistake

uwu

not the green thing

uwu

4:48 PM

thoughts

Verdrusk has a lot of really interesting ideas that get really involved-- nothing bad yet, just things that encourage dynamics we aren't totally in support of, like making things a lot more NSFW. THAT ALSO SAID, this is a genuinely good idea, but not to a drawpile-encompassing effect. What we might tell him to do is claim, like, a quarter of the canvas and draw a room.

5:19 PM

What we're not going to encourage is Verdrusk taking over, though-- our themes are loose and people draw what they want, even if it's a green dorito (unfortunately), so there should be plenty room to not comply while also having plenty room to collab.

Might be fun to, in addition to the current drawpiles, have other magma events that focus more on developing skills - like exactly what verd suggested; open ended but with a common art-related objective

I would certainly help Verd with developing that as a project; particularly bc I think he’s a good and enthusiastic tutor:) Could start out as a spontaneous event whenever he has time for/interest in hosting a canvas and then graduate to something similar to an office hours situation? Where if somebody wants to focus on a certain technique/subject we can field requests and then announce like a week in advance the planned time/prompt/leaders for a magma session… which would hopefully end up including more people just by chance than tediously trying to line up a bunch of schedules again. Could even adjust the time and date afterward if people express interest in a certain topic but won’t be able to make it. A good rule would probably be for each session to have at least two people dedicated to being in the call - which I think would encourage people to join more than having Verd or someone else running it alone… one on one time can def be intimidating

Verd has the right spirit but he's forgetting that drawpiles aren't really meant to be structured events and people need to get over the hurdle of figuring out what to draw themselves- and we should never turn the whole event into something educational.

8:44 PM

CausationCorrelation and Vatrabbit do a drawpile practically every day it seems in CC's server and back in the beginning when I used to be able to regularly attend those (before this job and when people actually used the Drawpile program instead of magma) I was the verdrusk of that group suggesting each drawpile session have some sort of theme or we turn the whole thing into a collection of rooms to fill with characters and I saw firsthand how trying to compose everyone's different styles and ideas into a cohesive setting makes people feel more left out/uninvolved than ever

8:46 PM

A huge canvas full of a collage of random bullshit is the purest form of a drawpile, and someone who only draws one little doodle in the corner still gets to feel like they played a part. If cohesive themes happen in a drawpile, like everyone drawing their characters as popular memes, it has to develop organically or otherwise be a very light icebreaker suggestion or optional prompt

8:47 PM

The chad "taking part in the activity's theme is fun because of herd mentality" versus the virgin "this is a criteria you must fulfil if you are to be involved"

That’s why it wouldn’t be a drawpile event but also I don’t think (even in having a themed collab session) there would be anybody trying to moderate content like “uh OH we have a LOSER on the canvas who is doing what they want and NOT drawing todays theme of Geese as a Duck

” (edited)

Very genuine question; do y’all want this to be an art-focused skillshare server or nah? Because when I assumed the vibe was “hang time with other artists” I was like cool let’s do hangout events… and was informed that such an event wouldn’t line up with what this place is supposed to be. So like, that’s awesome - this is a place for Art. Understood 🫡 Verd’s suggestion as its own collaborative event is something that seemingly would line up quite well with the purpose of the server - except the concern I’m hearing is that it would be too structured and therefore alienating? So idk… What are we trying to facilitate? If anything..? Just let me know and I’ll help people in doing that:)

i think it's a great idea but the regular drawpiles should remain chaotic

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10:05 PM

hence my original opinion - it should be a spontaneous event thing

Rhodesy

Very genuine question; do y’all want this to be an art-focused skillshare server or nah? Because when I assumed the vibe was “hang time with other artists” I was like cool let’s do hangout events… and was informed that such an event wouldn’t line up with what this place is supposed to be. So like, that’s awesome - this is a place for Art. Understood 🫡 Verd’s suggestion as its own collaborative event is something that seemingly would line up quite well with the purpose of the server - except the concern I’m hearing is that it would be too structured and therefore alienating? So idk… What are we trying to facilitate? If anything..? Just let me know and I’ll help people in doing that:)

this is a server specifically for the weekly drawpile and gartic sessions and i discourage anyone from trying to turn it into an art education server

2:16 AM

i don't think sharing art resources and tips are a problem, it just needn't be the focus of the server.

2:16 AM

It's daunting enough for half the introverted and shy geeks in the member list to actually show up and participate even if they really want to, we don't need to poke and prod folks to constantly improve themselves on top of that.

2:18 AM

Candidly, this server is almost like an artist-only resort where you don't have to care about post schedules or skill or quality or any of that stuff. You can just shitpost and draw out your ass and realise that people you simp for on twitter are people and artists just like you and they draw shitty when they want to also.

Zalia @ FWA

i don't think sharing art resources and tips are a problem, it just needn't be the focus of the server.

It needn’t be - it doesn’t even have to be the focus of anything I’m proposing, it’s just a thing that we could do if people are wanting more of that (personally I have had great success with hopping on a call to learn something specific from Verd and having 2-3 other artists drop in to say hi and vibe while we all shitpost/skillshare simultaneously on the same page). All I’m suggesting is a supplement to the current weekly itinerary, perhaps with a formal announcement, that gives people 1. More events to participate in if they so choose 2. More flavors of event types to pick from if we decide to imbue any of these supplemental magma sessions with a particular theme or skill Like we’re in agreement on everything here; no pressuring people into getting better at art, or mandating attendance, or some other clearly terrible thing. Just vibes, but like… more of them. And I know the option was always available to do it without prior consult (because it’s a spontaneous event) but I was just hoping for some actually constructive input on what it could look like. Talking in paragraphs is exhausting tho so I’m probably going night-night now

I love all of you guys

6:15 AM

I sometimes forget that as king I don't gotta do shit

6:16 AM

Which is not to say I won't do anythubg but I just kinda hate moderation in favor of like... Whatever everyone else thinks would be fun

6:16 AM

So you guys getting so passionate about the law of the land here is the best

not the green thing

So you guys getting so passionate about the law of the land here is the best

Lmao I’m glad that you enjoy it bc I feel like I’m just being annoying most of the time 😵‍💫

I think I'm just a drawpile purist and as people spend more time here they're naturally gonna want more diverse activities and structured organized events and immediately just gonna push back against that in favor of keeping it chill

2:41 PM

Cause fuck the last thing I want to do each week is feel even more like I'm missing out when I inevitably can't make it lol

What if that event, Rhodesy, is just, like... Tuesday

12:37 AM

As in, if you look at the clock and it is locally Tueday, the event is running

12:37 AM

Inclusive of EVERY schedule that way, a canvas for all of a single weekday, free to join

Ooooooooo I LIKE that

Only problem is that with sporadic and random participation like that, it's not actually... like, easy, to make anybody join concisely. Et la el, every clears a schedule for a specific time for Group A, but now with this 'Group C', if there are 24 participants there's a fair chance that none of them could even reserve the same hour.

12:39 AM

At 12 you're at odds-- at 12 participants, two might join at the same time assuming every hour is just as likely as another.

Yeah yeah, I think maybe I would announce a particular block of time and make sure that myself (and possibly someone else) can be available for that - but then I’m pretty sure you can just leave the magma open for the rest of the day? Then anyone who missed out can still jump in later on if they see other artists hanging around? I would also encourage that part like “Remember the magma stays available for a full 12-24hrs if you want to jump in with someone else who’s online after the official end time”

and if it were teusday, i could make it all the time

1:35 AM

@Rhodesy was that the right channel to write an essay of an anouncement?

1:35 AM

look at that poor person posting their art afterwards

Zalia @ FWA

look at that poor person posting their art afterwards

They probably got more attention considering I just pinged everyone right above them so I don’t think I’ll cry over it

1:51 AM

(Jk I totally will

)

gonna shart randomly deleting verdrusk's creepy emotes

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8:27 PM

with no reason or accountability

8:27 PM

If I could reddit-upvote a Discord message, this would have been me doing that

i actually tried removing emote permission for everyone

11:40 PM

then adding a role that gives the permission to everyone except verdrusk

11:41 PM

but discord roles are janky af

What kinds of emotes

the "child molester seeing a kindergarten" face

From this meme?

yes

Hey az, serious question

11:42 PM

Why did you delete it and why do you describe it like that

11:42 PM

What bothers you so much about that bootleg emoji (edited)

Azserfy

with no reason or accountability

Ok Just making sure you weren't like, actually irrationally triggered by this objectively not really that wacky or wild image, In which case I would have directly contested you on the grounds of "that's fucking stupid and I think it's funny"

11:44 PM

Now I'm aware of the joke lol

it does make a lot of people genuinely uncomfortable

On the flip side, something verd does that actually bugs me: Every time he mentions his "erp but through drawing art" that he seems to have a boner for getting anyone and everyone to do with him, I'm going to say "bruh do that in DMs"

Azserfy

it does make a lot of people genuinely uncomfortable

Well this is silly and I'm going to assume it's through how it's used and not the image itself

11:46 PM

Because I haven't seen how verd uses it but I've seen the image itself and it's pretty mundane, not really a justifiable trigger that needs censoring for the good of people's feewings (edited)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Zalia @ FWA

On the flip side, something verd does that actually bugs me: Every time he mentions his "erp but through drawing art" that he seems to have a boner for getting anyone and everyone to do with him, I'm going to say "bruh do that in DMs"

it's common knowledge by now that verd thinks, types and draws with his shlong

1

En-tirely.

11:47 PM

Pretty sure he has ten penises for fingers

mmmm

11:48 PM

crusty keyboard

11:48 PM

crinkles crinkles

Bruhhh don't Don't say that

11:49 PM

I just cleaned my keyboard and I get paranoid whenever I eat over it

sometimes you don't feel like cooking

11:50 PM

and then you're happy to have the option to just flip your keyboard and shake it to get a full course meal :3

Ma h

11:52 PM

Nah

Zalia @ FWA

On the flip side, something verd does that actually bugs me: Every time he mentions his "erp but through drawing art" that he seems to have a boner for getting anyone and everyone to do with him, I'm going to say "bruh do that in DMs"

Came here to say this

Zalia @ FWA

Pretty sure he has ten penises for fingers

You laugh now but someday he’ll get into modmin and be privy to the conversation like I was uwu ((I saw everything you said about me in confidence

))

Call it hubris but I'm kind of demoralized by being a mod on this server yet being wholely unable to make it to any group A or B events and watching group B, the one that I pushed to be scheduled where it is and sorta hosted in the beginning, floundering in the water .. and I sort of want to push back against people seeing a server full of their peers and wanting to organize other group events like watch parties or visual erp sessions to keep the health of the weekly meets intact and keep it being the center of this server (edited)

1

Rhodesy

You laugh now but someday he’ll get into modmin and be privy to the conversation like I was uwu ((I saw everything you said about me in confidence

))

Jk it was just an interesting feeling to scroll up and be like “OH they talked about me 😵‍💫

”

I voted against you btw

12:06 AM

Zalia @ FWA

I voted against you btw

I expect nothing less

12:06 AM

(You made the right call)

I voted in favor of letting you in the mod team then lock you in the room with us as we commit ritualized immolation by fire

1

12:08 AM

but apparently I had been tricked by a false verified twitter account and the Pope did not ask us to do that?

Azserfy

but apparently I had been tricked by a false verified twitter account and the Pope did not ask us to do that?

No yeah you gotta be careful with those

jesus, clense this moderator with your holy fire

Az cannot be clensed away (edited)

12:18 AM

only clenched away

1

12:18 AM

you

12:19 AM

can't just make it lewd like that

1

watch me

12:44 AM

bruh h

Okay

12:10 PM

I think I've gotten everyone in here, but

12:10 PM

Someone check for me while I do something to finish Evil once and for all

12:12 PM

— Genesis

Geese, Blue, XAGPDB.xyz
Chill, Hopfel, Duke, Sora (first), Spe, Phoneme, Wings
Raintey
Zekkan (nein)
Annoy
Nick

— Exodus

Theme, Shiny (alt), Mizu, Dippy
Jon, Mishanson
Dio, Guz(?)
Giautum
Pure
Phoneme (second)
Pure’s Girlfriend (Zell)
Aymbord
Sharner
|||pirouette|||
|Sphy|
Zone
Soka
|Nevada, Biscuits, Scargill|
Shiny (real)
Lolec
Mana
||Camura||
|||naelstrof, Vilar|||
Guz (fr)
Chill (second)
||Tagarik||
Kevin
|Tsavo|
Aymbord (second)

— Second generation

Zalia
Null
Leafysnivy
|||TriTrop3|||
||Sterlander||
Azserfy
Geese (second)
Kah Woo, Vultchurr
|||Lilith|||
Ray
Verdrusk 1 & 2
|||noruzenchi86|||

— Hopfel’s Twitter

Rhodesy, Kal, Aerith, Aussy, |||Sketch|||, Anthropy
K1M (hacked), Xaphelm
|Mainard|
Valekin
Deigo
Gasc0ny, BONKS
Neo
Alovion
Skiffington

— High Tower

Malfaren
|||BradleyRay|||
Plive, ||Berreika||
Anglo
|ZeanLain|
|||Domi, Axelshane|||
|Nittoh|
||Bovy||
Covertcanine, |Torrle|
Xayr, Missile
Kah Woo (alt)
Johnny
|Floaf|
|Zyyph|

— Third Generation

Yurei, |Mitch|
|JesseTheDragon|
Cider, Chris
K1M (unhacked)
D4VY
Walkie
Nemi
Mango, Caba
ThatOneGabe
|||marc|||
TheBigD

— Celebrity Hour

GurgleGluts
KingusCreepus
Shyguy9

— Evil (by Missile)

Ghost of your Dad
Duster
DolphinProject
Livinlovindude
|Thursday|
Geese (third), Anthony Fox
Doenobot, bakap, Tordoge, Kiva
River Vap, Kira Bean
makar!, ScornedTitan, DonCogneetoe

(edited)

||| - wasn't active, left || - kind of here, kind of not | - not active (edited)

Livinglovindude should be in celebrity hour

1:00 PM

I invited him right after shyguy9

But he joined a lot later!

I think it’s funny who you consider celebrity hour and not 😵‍💫

Who are you

2:41 PM

That little segment was more me saying "hey its cool that GurgleGluts is here, maybe we could get more people we love and respect" and then y'all just went NUTS

2:42 PM

I think the Evil arc actually is included in the Celebrity Hour, like a double bullet point, just denoting which small beans we got after I changed the server because of Missile

2:43 PM

In any case, I'm making a compilation picture and am gonna need to reach out to a lot of specific people to make sure they're okay with being drawn x -x

1

not the green thing

In any case, I'm making a compilation picture and am gonna need to reach out to a lot of specific people to make sure they're okay with being drawn x -x

You sweet little cheese no you’re not??

I’m thrilled merry pridemnth to all

Good heavens geese

2:56 PM

That's a list

2:56 PM

..why is DUSTER there???

Zalia @ FWA

..why is DUSTER there???

https://discord.com/channels/888970103654350949/888970103654350952/1119524196855336960

WTF

4:23 PM

but duster HATES vore

4:23 PM

he's gonna cringe so hard at this server oml

serious question, am i trying to run this server too hard?

5:38 PM

I'm more than happy to talk for paragraphs and paragraphs about how to keep things streamlined and futureproofed but more people have assumed i'm angry or trying to be mean or told me i'm overthinking things than actually engaging

the only way you should try to run this server is into the ground

5:39 PM

by all and any means necessary

i think it was funny at first but the "i don't actually want responsibility or to run the server" or "the only reason i made yall mod is to do pranks" mentality geese seems to have started this server with doesn't actually vibe with a gathering place of almost a hundred people from all across the globe who want to hang out

5:41 PM

Im just kinda like here, queer, and ready to get in gear if people will just let me do the overthinking for them

5:41 PM

I identify a problem with the current verd way of "hey wouldn't it be cool if X" when we don't yet have any place to put or enable X

You're definitely being super overwhelming in the main chat

5:42 PM

You're a great mod but when I say 'calm down' I more meant that as like, a wedding guest while the stepmom goes off. Everything she says might be true, but there's a lot that's just like. Cool, but we're also at a wedding.

Of course, i'll stop zaliposting in general chat

5:43 PM

sorry

Also your meter is ALL OVER THE PLACE

5:46 PM

Half the time your diction is so thick even I can barely understand what you mean and I rant exactly like that

i find my new nickname offensive. How do I get in touch with the mods to lodge a formal complaint (edited)

Take it up with the shark.

" Nothing is serious. Nobody needs anybody to do anything other than draw. Two events a week, we'd love to see you join. " -quote from geese, general chat, two seconds ago maybe you forget that for people to see it like this, we have to be coordinated behind the scenes to deliver that streamlined experience? We have to identify issues and talk them through before the public even sees them. Also, there are two groups of people in this server. The people who want to hang out with no pressure, and the people who want to make this place even more eventful and feature stuffed, and we can't please both of them all the time.

It's just communication.

We need a way that presents the simplest possible social obligation to potential new regulars, while also letting people who want to do more things more often than the regular weekly meets a way to have their events without it being chaos.

we have to be coordinated behind the scenes to deliver that streamlined experience? We have to identify issues and talk them through before the public even sees them.

5:48 PM

do we, really?

Meeting between themselves, Verdrusk has his own role, Spontaneous Events.

I mean it would be great but this is a small server

5:49 PM

not a company

5:49 PM

no one pays to be here

Again, we can just talk to them. We can talk to anybody.

except Hopfel.

5:49 PM

He's smelly.

Azserfy

we have to be coordinated behind the scenes to deliver that streamlined experience? We have to identify issues and talk them through before the public even sees them.

like, "streamlined", "public"... it kinda makes us sound like we're running a service

5:50 PM

I don't think we are

5:50 PM

I think mods in small communities like this one are just a necessary evil

5:51 PM

you need them but they don't have to constantly reinvent the server to offer a better experience

5:51 PM

people are here because they like the current server

5:51 PM

no need to overthink

Azserfy

do we, really?

yeah probably and nobody gets paid to be here either so nobody is gonna do any work to keep things running

5:52 PM

you're dumb if you think a small community doesn't need at least a little organization

hence why I said "necessary evil"

people are here because they are here and haven't actually looked in depth at everything that happens. It is actually really nice when one person is willing to overthink so nobody else has to. It's called logistics.

Zalia @ FWA

you're dumb if you think a small community doesn't need at least a little organization

but I don't think this warrants ad hominem

Logistics that are too chillaxed start to be a huge problem 150 people and +6 casual events down the line

Azserfy

but I don't think this warrants ad hominem

sorry

5:55 PM

but also don't get defensive, cause from my point of view you guys are pushing back against me wanting to do more unpaid labor so that the server can be a little more dysfunctional (or "chill" as you say it) and we all have to do more work with less communication

5:56 PM

Way i see it, work and overthinking we put in now = less work and thought we need later

5:57 PM

imo worth hashing things out if we arrive to a workable system sooner rather than later

5:57 PM

Like finding a bot to automate the regular weekly server events we have- It would spare us like 30 seconds each week that we spend making the events, but we've never done it because we're all equally lazy

6:03 PM

Let's say verd wants to organise a one-off minecraft build event or what have you. Do we: A: one of us slap up an event and have back-and-forth with verd if he needs details changed, maybe even making him a mod so he can host it and do it himself? B: already have in place a way for his activity to be displayed in a way that he can manage and wont clutter the server (and subtract from the chillness) in the edge case that four other people also want to propose similar activities

6:05 PM

Option A involves making an event every time and almost babysitting it from start to end and making any changes needed, if not introducing a new moderator each time so they can manage it themselves. Option B involves just giving a single role that allows them to post to the forum and do the whole thing themselves.

6:06 PM

My discussion this whole time hasn't been about how or what we should do about verd's ideas (as he seems to think it is judging by how grouchy he is now), but about how we as the people in charge of maintaining that chill, no obligation hangout vibe through the choices we make in how things are done and structured.

6:07 PM

You could even, as part of this discussion, counter-propose to me an option C where users are simply given a role that gives them event creation perms without any admin privs and lets them do non-bot-automated events all by themselves.

6:11 PM

We are absolutely running a service (a social space) and being a small community is no reason to not have systems. Mods should be willing to be unchill with how they plan and think things through so that they and everyone else can be chill when they're done, and me wanting to talk about a system to how we do unofficial activities is not "reinventing the server".

6:13 PM

Anyone here vibe with that? I'm pretty sure nobody is listening but in case you haven't read my essay yet, TLDR i'm not asking anyone to do any more work and i'm not trying to make the server more complicated- this would actually mean less work and thought for all of us even if you have to sweat a little and use your brain to comprehend it at first

TL:TL:DR you guys have to trust me, this is where i'm autistic and where i really shine at work, if you let me make a system to how the server hosts people's spontaneous or one-off events you'll have to do even less thought and work than you have to do now.

Alright catching up hold on

Zalia @ FWA

imo worth hashing things out if we arrive to a workable system sooner rather than later

Make a bot

Zalia @ FWA

Let's say verd wants to organise a one-off minecraft build event or what have you. Do we: A: one of us slap up an event and have back-and-forth with verd if he needs details changed, maybe even making him a mod so he can host it and do it himself? B: already have in place a way for his activity to be displayed in a way that he can manage and wont clutter the server (and subtract from the chillness) in the edge case that four other people also want to propose similar activities

These are two bad options, OR can just... talk to people about interest. Not everything has to be an EVENT, we can just all be friends. (edited)

Zalia @ FWA

We are absolutely running a service (a social space) and being a small community is no reason to not have systems. Mods should be willing to be unchill with how they plan and think things through so that they and everyone else can be chill when they're done, and me wanting to talk about a system to how we do unofficial activities is not "reinventing the server".

We aren't a shadow government

not the green thing

Make a bot

That solves the 30s of work needed to make an event sure

not the green thing

These are two bad options, OR can just... talk to people about interest. Not everything has to be an EVENT, we can just all be friends. (edited)

pushing back against something that doesnt exist

not the green thing

We aren't a shadow government

pushing back against percieved overreach that doesn't exist

6:36 PM

you can't "we can all just be friends" away minor logistical hickups with providing 100 people a place to hang out weekly

6:37 PM

and besides i'm not friends with many people here

Zalia @ FWA

TL:TL:DR you guys have to trust me, this is where i'm autistic and where i really shine at work, if you let me make a system to how the server hosts people's spontaneous or one-off events you'll have to do even less thought and work than you have to do now.

Spontaneous events are just that: spontaneous, we don't really need to do anything about that.

yeah, we do. Want me to explain why?

And we already do no work. Nothing needs to be upkept because nothing is dirty. Except for Group B's time, which is now, no longer the thing we're discussing somehow?

not the green thing

And we already do no work. Nothing needs to be upkept because nothing is dirty. Except for Group B's time, which is now, no longer the thing we're discussing somehow?

this is false. I can also explain why.

Zalia @ FWA

yeah, we do. Want me to explain why?

We start the events, put them in the event channel, and make links.

6:38 PM

Explain away, Zalia.

Spontanious events in a vacuum without "moderator" oversight or approval are fine until one of two situations come up. 1) someone ambitious proposes an event that is trying to be more regular or more popular than the basic drawpile/gartic event this server was created for, changing the reason why new people are invited and why most people stick around. (This isn't nessesarily a bad thing, friends and hanging out are more important than the event, but frankly? I think that should be something everyone here has say over considering we might want to invite our friends here with the allure of drawpile with fun artist friends and not whatever event becomes more central than that) 2) someone begins organising an event that we do not condone. I.E. erotic activities a little too sensual to have a place in a group of what i think should remain very respectful friends and/or activities (which sure... could be entirely opt-in and consent based) centered around topics a little more extreme, questionable, or niche than the very surface level vore and bootyholes that have been the norm in our drawpiles so far. Both of these situations would be incredibly difficult to address if we did not have a system in place of moderating activities through the use of how we enable them as well as a base level willingness as a moderator team to agree on the values of this hangout spot and where we might draw the line or respectfully ask people to take things elsewhere. (edited)

It doesn't say "Zalia is typing..." when you're editting a message, nor will I see the ping notification after you're done now, so I'm like

6:45 PM

Awa

Boom done.

6:46 PM

Im sorry im so autistic with how i talk and type, i promise not to make a scene in general chat again, but i appreciate you guys either telling me you dont need me as a mod or listening to what i have to say

Okay I'm reading everything Zalia lemme give you my context

i'm like for the record 100% down with the "be chill, do nothing, overthink nothing" philosophy, but i just don't vibe with it as long as i get to have a say because i know it makes things truly easier for everyone involved if we have a little forethought about things ahead of time

Yeah uh

I think we should give a tiny shit as mods and at least acnowlege that we have some responsibility here

I'll show you the forethought we already have in place

6:48 PM

Naw

6:48 PM

Sorry I'm cuddling with Hop hold on

no rush

6:48 PM

also lol?

6:48 PM

im half expecting you to send a meme of something that can be considered forethought

Naw, I'm about to lay down the law on your ass, check it

We are the moderators of loosely-stated values in a server we've product-tested and used for about three years. The system we've fallen into is one that's existed for those three years, even if for one of them, technically, it was most just myself, Hopfel, Spe, and sometimes Annoy alone in a Drawpile. We've honed what we want the atmosphere to be like, and we succeeded by honing that atmosphere for a larger audience of... Well, everyone. The part that it breaks down is not knowing when the FUCK Group B should be at for me, but that's a separate point-- I think everything works as it is from the values we HAVE established. Our loose, easy atmosphere is established and kept up by three-ish bullet points: I have established, first and foremost, that we have a mission statement for the server. Anything that falls out of line of that mission statement, our job as the mods is to disapprove of it. The necessary evil here is coming to a consensus and shooting down ideas that aren't central to it, which is easy because it HAS been written down and is fairly... pointed. The wording is dumb and long but the ideal is pretty easy to grasp:

Localised peer pressure to draw more and get art practice for those of us (me) who don't tend to draw given the opportunity
An art community to refine up-and-coming artists' styles and reinforce already concrete ones Things that fall outside of this ideal don't function here. It's fundamentally chill and an atmosphere of hanging out, don't get me wrong-- but as an admin team, we're not supporting things directly that don't fall into this bracket. There IS another rule, too-- the only one you get directly when interacting with the server.
No drama It's actually the only rule, one amongst five different rules that all restate it and make it kind of funny but DEFINE it really closely: Do not have drama in this server. Do not make people feel bad. Do not attack people. There's also, even MORE loosely, a list of rules at the top of the #information chat, if even further than that there was any doubt-- but at that point, it's all common sense.

Zalia @ FWA

Spontanious events in a vacuum without "moderator" oversight or approval are fine until one of two situations come up. 1) someone ambitious proposes an event that is trying to be more regular or more popular than the basic drawpile/gartic event this server was created for, changing the reason why new people are invited and why most people stick around. (This isn't nessesarily a bad thing, friends and hanging out are more important than the event, but frankly? I think that should be something everyone here has say over considering we might want to invite our friends here with the allure of drawpile with fun artist friends and not whatever event becomes more central than that) 2) someone begins organising an event that we do not condone. I.E. erotic activities a little too sensual to have a place in a group of what i think should remain very respectful friends and/or activities (which sure... could be entirely opt-in and consent based) centered around topics a little more extreme, questionable, or niche than the very surface level vore and bootyholes that have been the norm in our drawpiles so far. Both of these situations would be incredibly difficult to address if we did not have a system in place of moderating activities through the use of how we enable them as well as a base level willingness as a moderator team to agree on the values of this hangout spot and where we might draw the line or respectfully ask people to take things elsewhere. (edited)

To address this in particular! We as the admins really, really don't need our power, and I keep restating over and over that power in this server is gonna be mostly a joke. Put me on a throne and kill me for all of my crimes-- yes, actually, do it. I'm not a king here, and making me as such SUCKS. Nobody should have more power than anybody, the inch I'll give is that Verdrusk's ideas don't overlap and go off like a bomb because there is a team of people together who can decide as a unit not to do them. But he can do them! The Spontaneous Events thing is EXACTLY for that, and Verdrusk and anybody else is allowed to ping it. The most loose point here is specifically that the role is described as "the one that gets pinged a lot," which ideally it is, but then making everything into an important server event shoots down people's motivations. Anybody can run rampant with the ping, they WON'T overuse it-- if they do, we're allowed to get on their case for COMMON SENSE. We strip power and have long talks with people somehow upset enough to spam Group A just the same. As for these two points: 1) Let them. If that happens, we do what the majority does so long as it's art-centric. And it will be art-centric, because it's an art server. Hell, if ANYTHING gets popular enough, I'm 100% on board with making it a regular thing-- people have the biggest vote, and I like these people. If it's not art related, then we've fucked up by somehow encouraging all these non-art activities, which we won't because of our mission statement. It could happen, sure, that someone takes over the server with Dota 2, but it's just not gonna happen, ever. If someone steals the lights with Art Event 3, let them win. 2) Yes, they are overstepping, so again, talk to them about it. We're not tyrants, and again, these people have platforms to put themselves in. Everything is opt-in, the entire server, so let them organize whatever they want-- everyone here is artists, so the only successful things they can do will be art-related. Again, there are scenarios that are INSANE that COULD happen, eventually, but we are just not big enough for that to happen. If someone is being inconsolable about their Tom Nook Appreciation Hour, we can talk to them directly and say it's not art, and point at the mission statements. The mission statements are at fault. We aren't evil, nor are we tyrants, it's just The Art Server. We don't need a shadow government to go all-in on this.

7:10 PM

The ONLY THING that we NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN DESPERATELY, is drama. Drama does NOT FLY in this server. Do not make people feel bad. Do not attack people. If everyone's talking, we're good with every conflict, but what we more would need to discuss is the drama, which looms as the worse issue. So far, we've been lucky that we've just been able to kick people's exes innocently in the background, but that won't be the case forever-- et la el, if Hopfel and I break up and it's really messy (which it won't be? We're too chill and... friends, like we're not dramatic enough to make it a thing), that might tear the server apart. The only art friend I have that ISN'T in this server is an ex of Mizu who broke up with them on really bad terms. This, I'm good to discuss. But 100% of the time otherwise, the community is upholding our mission statements, we go with what makes the most people happy, and we just talk to people directly about contention. (edited)

7:12 PM

I'm very, very certain that the edge cases we end up describing here are going to be lack of communication based (solvable directly, talk more) and extreme scenarios that just don't happen-- and if they do, we rely on the mission statements and literally the only rule.

Short and sweet response: -I did not know the server existed so long before i arrived. I'm going to start acting less like your lax attitude as server owner is room for me to let you let me do more for you immediately... so long as you take the time to explain to me if you guys thought about how public and unchill your chill hangout would become when more, often unchill people joined it. -Those are good ideals, but i don't think they take into account people like verd and rhodesy (i mean no offense whatsoever by this) and me who haven't been or likely haven't been there since you started it and have more ambitious ideas for what this server and everyone in it can be used for. -I am sorry for causing my share of the drama. i am aware of how i am. -I was unaware of the core value of refining up and coming artist's styles and assumed everyone being treated as an equal no matter their skills was of a higher priority. I will amend my philosophy on that. -The only reason why group b is fucked is because i bitched for so long about wanting to be present at one of the two group meets- something that is hard to accommodate due to my job schedule being an outlier, wholesale. I am willing to go without being able to attend for a while till that changes if it means nobody else, least of all you, has to sweat about that scheduling. -I think my way of explaining things has given you the impression i want a shadow government to run the show behind the scenes. I don't think that is the case. What i want is to simply use the tools available to us (events, forum channels, more than one pingable role) to give people more than just one nondescript role to use if they feel like they need a bit more. But ultimately, i want everyone here to play around with the idea that ability to do more with the discord moderator role =/= power, and power =/= bad. Some discord servers have the plebs and the reigning monarchs, others have "everyone" and "the few goobers who have agreed to do chores when asked". We get to choose through how we five or six act and treat everyone else.

7:15 PM

Yeah that is my short and sweet, can you believe it?

7:17 PM

I know i keep putting my foot in your door but i don't think you can have things be as stringently drama-free as you wish without a little power. You can have power without animosity. You can just be a server member who just so happens to have the responsibility of flipping server switches in the case of a nasty breakup or goreposting raiders.

7:18 PM

I repeat: i'm super sorry for causing drama today. There's no excuse tacked onto the end of that: i'm rarted and i won't do it again.

To be sure-- and maybe this reflects in my treatment of everything thus far-- I'm actually a gigantic believer in Anarchy. (edited)

Zalia @ FWA

I know i keep putting my foot in your door but i don't think you can have things be as stringently drama-free as you wish without a little power. You can have power without animosity. You can just be a server member who just so happens to have the responsibility of flipping server switches in the case of a nasty breakup or goreposting raiders.

The only power I would exercise is to get rid of the problems, which is only necessary in a chat where we can't socially punish people who are pot-stirrers. They can always post as much as anybody else, so our job is to bring them back to the herd the same way that we encourage people who are shy or embarrassed. If they get worse, moderator action, no drama, no pot-stirring. The only thing I feel like you CAN do wrong here is drama; if you do something to someone and they say 'stop', talk.

Zalia @ FWA

Short and sweet response: -I did not know the server existed so long before i arrived. I'm going to start acting less like your lax attitude as server owner is room for me to let you let me do more for you immediately... so long as you take the time to explain to me if you guys thought about how public and unchill your chill hangout would become when more, often unchill people joined it. -Those are good ideals, but i don't think they take into account people like verd and rhodesy (i mean no offense whatsoever by this) and me who haven't been or likely haven't been there since you started it and have more ambitious ideas for what this server and everyone in it can be used for. -I am sorry for causing my share of the drama. i am aware of how i am. -I was unaware of the core value of refining up and coming artist's styles and assumed everyone being treated as an equal no matter their skills was of a higher priority. I will amend my philosophy on that. -The only reason why group b is fucked is because i bitched for so long about wanting to be present at one of the two group meets- something that is hard to accommodate due to my job schedule being an outlier, wholesale. I am willing to go without being able to attend for a while till that changes if it means nobody else, least of all you, has to sweat about that scheduling. -I think my way of explaining things has given you the impression i want a shadow government to run the show behind the scenes. I don't think that is the case. What i want is to simply use the tools available to us (events, forum channels, more than one pingable role) to give people more than just one nondescript role to use if they feel like they need a bit more. But ultimately, i want everyone here to play around with the idea that ability to do more with the discord moderator role =/= power, and power =/= bad. Some discord servers have the plebs and the reigning monarchs, others have "everyone" and "the few goobers who have agreed to do chores when asked". We get to choose through how we five or six act and treat everyone else.

Also: 1- I put in a lot of thought into everything, I just only like to talk a specific amount. Make suggestions, always talk at me, but don't leap at people like you did today-- you held your position of an admin as a reason for being more on the side of the right than Verdrusk was, when it was more just "I think you advertise the events you want in a discouraging way" 2- They don't! Make schemes and plans. Be ambitious as FUCK. Everything you do that works gets added into canon, we're here to encourage people. 3- BANNED! But also w/e, I like you greenie, maybe go talk to Verd though. 4- I don't have the mission statements posted anywhere other than when you search for "mission statements" in the chat, so... yeah, understandable. In my head, everyone just worked the same way I did. 5- ITS FUUUUUUUUUCKED 6- Yeah, mostly it's just gonna be to talk about drama. I, for one, like having the space to shit talk Aussy. God I love that guy.

Additionally: if power in this server is meant to be a joke (and i cringe so hard at referring to administrative responsibility in such a crass way) then i ask, so long as i'm here, that maybe you allow me to weaponize and use my near-autistic levels of logistic planning skills to the best of their abilities? For example, proposing the use of new systems- like pingable, less spontaneous roles to make some activities a little less spontaneous- for review to see if their ability to cater to novel community desires outweighs the core philosophy of minimalism for the server. Or, for stealthily (and invisibly) integrating invite link stop gaps or automatic bot channel user activity logging for the worst-case scenarios such as server raids that should, reasonably, not ever happen in 5 years? I understand that what i'm saying can be seen as use of "power" in ways you probably don't appreciate in this server and pushes against your core bullet points, but hell. I don't have a dismisive view of this server at all and want to do my best in maintaining it and making it robust enough to meet my own personal standards. It's like a garage with a couch and tv for everyone to sit around and watch sports in. People just want to chill and drink beer and make friends, but i see no reason why i shouldn't be allowed to put up shelves and lights for decorations. I'm good at it, and nobody actually has to worry about the process of doing that work at all, and even if some people don't think it's necessary because they don't see the benefit, this is a situation where it's not useless and in fact the perfect time to do so before we have so many shelf items in the garage lying around unshelved that they pile up on the floor and confuse new people or cause people to trip up and argue later

7:36 PM

I'm sure you've noticed by now but i'm not good with people. I think i messed up talking to verd today and i appreciate your patience right now with talking this through with me. In this garage, i'd be more comfortable tinkering in a corner than sitting on the couch watching sports with everyone else. It's a curse. I just, really feel fired up to keep talking till anyone around me sees the merit of letting me do the shelf building and trusts my promise that i can in the end actually help those core bullet points of the garage instead of hurt them as long as we talk through it

Which would be more fine, and I see your points, but at this point I'm more about community retention more than onboarding. People have already filled out their #deleted-channel and a lot of people are only ever going to click there once-- if we add a bunch of things or change things around, I'd just want it to make the server appeal to people who are already in the server but don't come around often for one-reason or another. So, by all means, make shelves, I just want to make sure that we're not bothering people into leaving or leaving them as sort of wanderers in the void. It'd be REALLY NICE to hang out with Mizu more, for instance, or for Sphy to join another event after being here for two years silently.

7:38 PM

If I redid everything, I'd just want to redo it ONCE, so again-- I am ALL ABOUT YOU BEING AUTISTIC AS FUCK, see my earlier Bullet Point Number 2, but I also want to make sure it goes in the direction we want it to. This community is GREAT, the only changes we SHOULD BE MAKING are things that are obviously wrong to make it better. Less a garage, more an ice-cream parlor that's rustic and everyone loves, you REALLY have to keep in mind that people already like the way things look and to make sure the shelves you're hanging up are the right color.

Ye i'm not talking about onboarding specifically, either. My wordy explanations boil over like a pot and i end up delivering more information than i actually need to. My approach is a bigger issue today than any things i think ought to be changed about how the server works- seeing verd yet again talk confidently about drumming up hype for another event of his just got me talking about a lot of things ive been thinking about

7:40 PM

My problem isn't with verd's ideas. Just the fact that the server doesn't have any place to put them that doesn't, imo, change this server's purpose

Again, you gotta go talk to him directly though. I don't want to see this be a thing that lasts. ":[

7:40 PM

He's obnoxious but Verdrusk is a sweetheart.

first thing im gonna do after this is go talk to him in dms

7:40 PM

i promise

7:40 PM

leading with an appology about the "you held your position of an admin as a reason for being more on the side of the right than Verdrusk was" part

7:40 PM

i wasn't aware at the time i was doing that and i understand now

7:41 PM

i only slowly became aware that other people don't live in my head and operate by "if it aint broke don't fix it" instead of "it works but we can make it work even smoother" like i do (edited)

7:43 PM

Honestly "if it broke don't fix it" is the kind of mindset that causes so much shit nowadays to be either mediocre or full of problems nobody wants to address because it doesn't affect them personally. It's much better to fix all the problems yourself, then enjoy a problemless situation while someone with a hyperfixation continues to work on it to make it better for your kids.

Oh god there’s more in here

You don't have to read shit in here tho Rhodesy

Zalia @ FWA

Honestly "if it broke don't fix it" is the kind of mindset that causes so much shit nowadays to be either mediocre or full of problems nobody wants to address because it doesn't affect them personally. It's much better to fix all the problems yourself, then enjoy a problemless situation while someone with a hyperfixation continues to work on it to make it better for your kids.

To be sure, it already works, and nobody really wants to be in a lab that constantly smells like fresh paint. There's a "best" way to do things, sure, but keep in mind that the most effective way to do anything also isn't art :)

not the green thing

You don't have to read shit in here tho Rhodesy

Oh good I won’t:)

Rhodesy

Oh good I won’t:)

You did come up though, naughty boy

7:51 PM

When do I get a Rhodesy cuddle pile and you wake up between Hop and I hmmmmmmmm

1

I pretend I do not see (but also I’m serious I’m not reading that)

I would like to address how a discussion is happening between two people who really have to have a discussion and rhodesy responds with debasing disgust and asks why people haven't left the server after reading it as if it's the most vile drama ever witnessed on discord. That's a little offensive. I know i'm a little off but at least i recognize when i'm typing too much before people are actually slinging insults around.

7:53 PM

Blocks of text don't mean anyone's upset or (intentionally) being mean, just that someone involved has a bit of an issue with social skills (me, evidently)

7:53 PM

frankly, i'm trying, and it's resolved, and i wish i could delete it

Okay now you REALLY sound like me.

what how

Zalia @ FWA

I would like to address how a discussion is happening between two people who really have to have a discussion and rhodesy responds with debasing disgust and asks why people haven't left the server after reading it as if it's the most vile drama ever witnessed on discord. That's a little offensive. I know i'm a little off but at least i recognize when i'm typing too much before people are actually slinging insults around.

You've got a specific defense mechanism here, one that just sounds like me when I feel like I'm getting cornered. Sorry about the pushing, Zalia, you've already apologized and (ideally) are getting back together with Verd on everything, so Rhodesy pressing the point feels like rubbing dirt in the wound-- but to his credit, it was pretty hot there for a while. I mean, he could've stood to use nicer wording, but everyone could have. x -x

8:05 PM

I could've also been more clear! Saying "Calm down" sounds like a Kafkatrap, because it often is; "I AM CALM" is a statement that will never sound calm. I more meant, like... somehow, bring the situation back down to a crawl. Things were moving super fast for a while there. (edited)

oh

8:13 PM

okay i get it

8:13 PM

(shortest sentence i will ever type!!!!!)

8:14 PM

i feel like when you experience more drama, you expect drama and see more drama than is really there

":) Yeah

8:15 PM

I'm just

8:15 PM

Kind of dry, now

8:15 PM

None of the drama that could happen here would outperform my family, so I feel like here, of anywhere, I can play it cool-- I AM KING

8:15 PM

Maybe just being king helps?

8:15 PM

...

8:16 PM

Maybe I'll just give the server to Nick >->

just don't give it to me

Power Trip?

No i'd actually try to run the server like it's more serious than it actually is!

8:22 PM

like, implimenting all my schemes and plans

8:22 PM

you've seen my personal discord

8:24 PM

autoroll bots forum channels for my Postybirb and twitter to post to fancy perks for patreon layers of role permissions emoji and stickers and a soundboard that take themselves "seriously" and then you can't see the three ways i have for managing server raids or the unlikely situation a second nazi joins.

8:24 PM

imagine how much i'd try to scale all that casual discord feature usage for a server with 100 members that's fairly active week to week?

Uhhhhhhh

8:27 PM

I mean, wasn't the point also, like

8:27 PM

"You guys are mods now"

8:27 PM

"Be evil, do crime"

8:27 PM

this channel

Azserfy

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Basically

8:28 PM

I saw a wall of text, read a sentence then looked away

that's one step more than I did

nobody else needed to read because nobody else was involved, right?

He used, us

it's a fucking(profanity is a joke here) text channel people are gonna use it when they need to

so I imagine its a mod thing

8:29 PM

or Geese is just spilling his guts

I mean, anybody's allowed to read anything Zalia

8:29 PM

IT WASN'T JUST ME YOU FUCKS

8:29 PM

I AM ONLY HALF OF GREEN

8:30 PM

HELP ZALIA I'M BEING REPRESSED

geese how could you

8:30 PM

show some restraint

Whoever the next owner is, hopefully they free me from Slavery

you WHORE (edited)

i didn't say they couldn't lol but boy you don't know how many times i get people going "wow that's a lot of text i am not reading it" when they step into a conversation they weren't a part of like i fucking asked them to.

CRYING

(profanity is still a joke i'm not pissed)

CHEESE WHORE

(i'm just depressed that i'm like this)

Zalia @ FWA

i didn't say they couldn't lol but boy you don't know how many times i get people going "wow that's a lot of text i am not reading it" when they step into a conversation they weren't a part of like i fucking asked them to.

The "I'm not reading any of that" has also always made me feel bad. :c its mean

Door Stop

not the green thing

The "I'm not reading any of that" has also always made me feel bad. :c its mean

symptom of short form content social media, i'm sure of it. People being unable to read like... actual books anymore

Zalia @ FWA

symptom of short form content social media, i'm sure of it. People being unable to read like... actual books anymore

Okay but I also write a lot and also don't read big walls of text (usually)

like this part isn't a joke anymore i'm sick and tired of people not being able to have long conversations and talk through EVERYTHING anymore

Talk through everything, but like, give people room to breath Zalia!

8:32 PM

People can't contribute or parse paragraphs.

Zalia @ FWA

symptom of short form content social media, i'm sure of it. People being unable to read like... actual books anymore

Also ad hominem!

people are just so phobic to the idea of being thourough with what you say.. something some people are forced to do when they, say, might not have the ability to read social cues or make inferrments

not the green thing

Also ad hominem!

ad hominem these tits you mouldy piece of brie

Buh? Like, I write out paragraphs when I'm involved and read my share of novels, but its a matter of content i';m willing to consume

Zalia @ FWA

people are just so phobic to the idea of being thourough with what you say.. something some people are forced to do when they, say, might not have the ability to read social cues or make inferrments

Ad hominem still! "People" isn't a very constructive point, people out there be like... murderers and shit. (edited)

not the green thing

People can't contribute or parse paragraphs.

yeah cause they don't type at 250wpm and don't read a 640 page novel a week

Zalia @ FWA

yeah cause they don't type at 250wpm and don't read a 640 page novel a week

= -=

not the green thing

Ad hominem still! "People" isn't a very constructive point, people out there be like... murderers and shit. (edited)

wait wait stop picking apart my statements, i'm using hyperbole on purpose here

8:33 PM

im aware

Not funny, didn't laugh

8:34 PM

Killing your stand-up career

A bit extreme ofg a response, but you are heard

im only funny when im full of shitposting energy and tonight i am not that

Murdering it, cooking it all nice, searing it with vegetable oil, serving it on a plate to Conan O'Brian with a bun and mustard

Kennyyeen

A bit extreme ofg a response, but you are heard

my bad not responding directly to you, hence my use of "people"

8:35 PM

we feel like we're in joke mode rn

I am aware, just refering to the response in general

But that might be worse, because you're talking about a group of people like him, which is vaguely -ist.

and now i am lost under multiple levels of contrivance

:D

if you kill me rn i drop the maximum amount of XP due to the advanced level of the raid

I can handle that

8:37 PM

Hopfel pinned a message to this channel. 6/27/2023 9:26 PM

who is geese (third)

10:06 PM

that worries me

he whose passage shall cleanse the earth (edited)

wtf who

verdrusk would be a great admin if he wasn't so uncontrollably horny

Maybe

12:34 AM

Maybe not

Wtf admins can't change their own name

12:56 PM

:D

1:00 PM

I control you all

1:00 PM

You live and die by my hand

1:00 PM

...

Azserfy

Wtf admins can't change their own name

What did you want it changed to

Just azserfy

1:01 PM

Done

Thank you geese

1:01 PM

As an AI model I am unable to express gratitude. However-

This was a four second change brought about by a ten second joke

1:02 PM

Oh fuck wait

1:02 PM

It's spreading

1:07 PM

Oh no

1:08 PM

Sharkpox

Thankfully we can hotbox it to only infect those in the server staff

If it gets too bad there are countermeasures

1:33 PM

Oh no, I'm feeling more preyish by the second

Thanks I hate it

1:39 PM

Oh god

We could give verdrusk the power to create events He's motivated and all

My issue with that is I don't want him to spontaneously think of an event we could have and then sponsor it himself by scheduling it immediately (edited)

1:58 PM

I like the layer between him and event creation-- the rights I WOULD give him is to start and end events.

I respect your input Az

Thanks Az

2:00 PM

If I get outvoted on that point though, I don't actually care, I'm just expressing possible foresight

2:01 PM

I mod'd them because I know @Rhodesy is literally incapable of evil, and even encouraging it, the worst you do Az is spread viral infections.

I sure hope it doesn't happen.

What am i

4:09 PM

Hmm

4:09 PM

Close enough to my original name.i guess

Azserfy

We could give verdrusk the power to create events He's motivated and all

Too horny and frankly I don't feel comfortable with him all the time

4:10 PM

But only with his horny His normal mannerisms are fine he's a great guy I'm just glad I don't draw art he froths over

not the green thing

The "I'm not reading any of that" has also always made me feel bad. :c its mean

You said I didn’t have to:(:(:(:(:( Also “I’m not reading that” is always a bold lie on my end - I’m a nosey lil fucker eventually I will read everything But yes I also think it is very mean and I don’t usually like saying it except you gave me permission to be illiterate

Rhodesy

You said I didn’t have to:(:(:(:(:( Also “I’m not reading that” is always a bold lie on my end - I’m a nosey lil fucker eventually I will read everything But yes I also think it is very mean and I don’t usually like saying it except you gave me permission to be illiterate

I gave you permission to be secretly illiterate! qwq

6:06 PM

It's still different, I've given Hopfel permission to not read my huge textblocks but its still hurtdul when he admits to it QwQ

yeah nobody should care if you don't read and i dont personally

6:10 PM

but it's such a reddit moment to interject that you don't or won't

1

6:10 PM

i have another friend who does that to a chronic degree, to any paragraph of text over like two sentences

6:10 PM

they've never read an actual book in their life

6:11 PM

it's so irritating, books make you more capable

6:11 PM

i can't help but project that on anyone who chimes into a large conversationa bout how they don't want to read such a conversation, adding nothing to said conversation

@Zalia @ FWA I am also a paragraph talker and VERY strongly desire to respond concisely to every point of something that involves me - which becomes a problem when I get caught in conversations with you occasionally and we end up in a positive feedback loop of articulation unless I do something to shut my own brain down. Which is not fun BUT I will do it if I sense that I’m being too much… and I think yesterday I got very annoyed that it just KEPT happening anyway, even after I specifically limited myself to single sentence responses 😵‍💫

So yeah what you saw in my tone was annoyance but I love you and I’m sorry I made you feel bad

aww

6:18 PM

group hug

Rhodesy

@Zalia @ FWA I am also a paragraph talker and VERY strongly desire to respond concisely to every point of something that involves me - which becomes a problem when I get caught in conversations with you occasionally and we end up in a positive feedback loop of articulation unless I do something to shut my own brain down. Which is not fun BUT I will do it if I sense that I’m being too much… and I think yesterday I got very annoyed that it just KEPT happening anyway, even after I specifically limited myself to single sentence responses 😵‍💫

So yeah what you saw in my tone was annoyance but I love you and I’m sorry I made you feel bad

oh yeah i've experienced those articulation loops before

6:19 PM

yeesh

6:19 PM

:D we hug and make up

and kiss

nah

Kiss

rhodesy likes guys

Zalia @ FWA

nah

KISS or you are BANNED

kiss my beans

Zalia @ FWA

rhodesy likes guys

I’m genderfucked and increasingly pansexual because of it, mind you

"genderfucked" is a new one for me

6:23 PM

what will LGTV people think of next?

1

The good people at LGTV

Rhodesy drank the genderfluid

genderfluid low

it's what oozes out when you wring my tail

6:25 PM

gender juice

shark oil

6:28 PM

high value commodity

Yeah

6:29 PM

i'm 50% tail by volume so there's a lot

lots of oil

6:30 PM

6:30 PM

no not that kind

6:31 PM

why do I hear helicopters?

I’m might wanna be A Little Evil and add the furry what fed me a grapevine in the San Francisco cuddle pit?? He doesn’t do digital art just yet but we’ve been talking a LOT and he wants a push to start drawing more… and I’m just like… hmmmmmmmmmm… I might know some really cool people for that one bud. I also let him scroll thru our drawpiles and he was just zooming in and giggling and idk! I like him! Fantastic energy! But please speak your peace on whether or not we should calm down on adding people because I’m kind of with that… last thing I want is to be walking around here like I own the place, taking in strays 😮‍💨

tell me to shut up if I am thinking with my dingle right now - I value a second opinion

The coucil of Azs will decide your fate

i have my reservations about you adding someone you met at a diet orgy and have known for two days BUT i'm more than happy to be outvoted, especially at the prospect of someone who might try art for the first time in a drawpile

NO I have my reservations too that’s literally why I’m asking I want you to bully me

i have my reservations about you adding someone you met at a diet orgy

no offense rhodeserfy but that was beautifully worded

1

It was poetic, indeed

Do you think he will have to be quietly removed in a month like your ex? If your dingle often does thinking for you, i think the dingle owner will be the best judge of why you want to invite them and hang out with them.

1:38 AM

i mean, if you wanted my serious feedback

tough but fair

otherwise like he sounds like he likes drawpiles already and i hope we can convince him it's fine to take part even without any prior skills

~~but only if he draws small~~

Zalia @ FWA

Do you think he will have to be quietly removed in a month like your ex? If your dingle often does thinking for you, i think the dingle owner will be the best judge of why you want to invite them and hang out with them.

Yeah that’s precisely my concern I think I’m gonna keep this one on the back burner but I’m glad to have announced that I am thinking on it

i hate the thought that some people wouldn't join in cause they don't feel like they have the skills

Azserfy

~~but only if he draws small~~

group b had 5 members at peak activity and overall verd drew on more canvas than i did

1:40 AM

so

1:40 AM

in my defense

1:40 AM

mmm gator

1

there's a group B??

i don't think so, no

Zalia @ FWA

i hate the thought that some people wouldn't join in cause they don't feel like they have the skills

He’s actually a diversity hire in my mind bc even without digital art prowess his profession is audio engineering for Dolby so like… if anyone has burning questions about music/sfx

Rhodesy

I’m might wanna be A Little Evil and add the furry what fed me a grapevine in the San Francisco cuddle pit?? He doesn’t do digital art just yet but we’ve been talking a LOT and he wants a push to start drawing more… and I’m just like… hmmmmmmmmmm… I might know some really cool people for that one bud. I also let him scroll thru our drawpiles and he was just zooming in and giggling and idk! I like him! Fantastic energy! But please speak your peace on whether or not we should calm down on adding people because I’m kind of with that… last thing I want is to be walking around here like I own the place, taking in strays 😮‍💨

tell me to shut up if I am thinking with my dingle right now - I value a second opinion

Death

Rhodesy

He’s actually a diversity hire in my mind bc even without digital art prowess his profession is audio engineering for Dolby so like… if anyone has burning questions about music/sfx

Kill

8:04 AM

Yeah he can join, but I'm bestowing the Non-Artist Heathen role on him. Why are you guys still thinking twice about anything I'm hardly even a king nor do I have control over even my own shoelaces.

Nay, I vote nay for it. Not only is it somebody nobody really has an idea about, but there methods of meeting are scandalous.

8:32 AM

Feel free to out vote me, I am crazy

8:32 AM

Just my honest statement

Kennyyeen

Nay, I vote nay for it. Not only is it somebody nobody really has an idea about, but there methods of meeting are scandalous.

Well now I really want to

12:40 PM

scandalous

@Zalia @ FWA what holds you up for Group B on Monday 6 PM UTC? I think that's 1 PM your time.

I'm not at home Monday from like 10 am to 9pm my time

2:07 PM

But don't try to cater to my current schedule! Due to some life things happening I may be leaving this job anywhen from September to just 10 days from now

Cool, I have a solution

2:13 PM

AND A FINAL ONE

Poor word combination

THE FINAL SOLUTION

U-um

made a lore dumb channel

10:26 PM

because

i think we should enforce the "one post per person" rule in the OC channel

11:51 PM

it's very hard to navigate

One post but you can include as many images as you want in the content of that forum post I suppose

ye

do any of you guys have the OG server image

i have a scheme

I have it

8:19 AM

But also it's perpetually in #information

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How do I ban this

1

Kill it

7:55 PM

Hate hate hate

Shut up shut up shut up

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Oh lovely

5:45 AM

The discord mod exclusive club

Can this thing fuck off from our space? Like, forever?

1

No

6:04 AM

I don't think so

There

6:12 AM

That's a fix

6:12 AM

I think we should disable community but I don't think I have enough permissions to do so

6:14 AM

Also disabled the "helpful tips", though it wasn't in the community panel so idk if it's that

Disabling community robs us of the forum channel features for no reason

6:58 AM

These occasional annoying messages aren't that bad!

6:58 AM

It's not our fault the dumbasses at discord hq have the message posted twice at once (edited)

6:59 AM

Bad and naughty system messages get put in the discord no-no channel

To be sure, it does feel like a Cops Only Club

10:22 AM

Like we have some weird backended schema back here already is a problem, I don't like the little nudge of encouragement to even gossip behind closed doors

10:24 AM

But then the "here's how to be a better admin" like BITCH unless it's talking about how to organize a server better or how to make bots, I can exclusively imagine it's for evil. Anything about rules or manipulation or... 'admin-ing?' It'd be just all dumb. This chat is dumb. The only thing I have here that I use is the pinned message, which is concurrently updated.

Maybe they are trying to cultivate an admin culture and show they care after that's happening on reddit?

10:51 AM

But with the tone deafness your expect from a corporation

Azserfy

But with the tone deafness your expect from a corporation

I DO KIND OF EXPECT THE LOWEST OF THE LOW FROM COMPANIES YOU'RE RIGHT

As long as they don't go reddit on us we're good

1:39 PM

Well it would be stupid since they don't make money off ads inside servers

What's the event today @not the green thing

Uhhhhh

3:52 PM

Drawpile right?

3:52 PM

Ask Verdrusk

No

What do you think the highest crime rate Trite could pull off would be

12:02 PM

I'm a little disappointed by Az's performance so now it's just kinda... we're going for max pain, here :)

Trite would be an okay mod.i think

12:55 PM

He's got that anarchist spirit

12:55 PM

Also damn every time someone says "nobody here has done any crime here in a while..." I have to delay my master plan by a few days

not the green thing

I'm a little disappointed by Az's performance so now it's just kinda... we're going for max pain, here :)

You nerfed my permissions

1:29 PM

I can't even commit name vandalism anymore

Azserfy

You nerfed my permissions

BULLSHIT

I literally can't change servers nicknames anymore

1:44 PM

Not even mine

Are you.. on mobile? Where a lot of discord features just aren't there in the settings?

Nope the setting is there but greyed

4:13 PM

Geese sabotaged me

Trite is an admin now

Yay

7:47 PM

I mean... Oh no

Violence

You cannot violent

8:09 PM

I will block it with tails

Azserfy

You nerfed my permissions

It says you can. The only person you can't is me, because I'm the most high-ranking role. Unfortunately.

You lie and I will bite you

I'm looking at role permissions right now!

8:44 PM

I legit have no idea what's stopping you.

Bites you and bites you and bites you and

I'm trying!

8:55 PM

You sure it's not an option just under Disable Video?

I can't either lol

huh

9:15 PM

now I can

9:15 PM

geese sneakily changed the settings

I still cant

9:16 PM

I think geese is trying to prevent a geesening 2 (even tho that wasn't me the first time) (edited)

I can't change nicknames of other admins though including zalia

Az I fucking saw that I watched you do that

9:17 PM

Absolute sushi for brains

Azserfy

I can't change nicknames of other admins though including zalia

Geese probably wants to keep us from tearing each other to shreds in our competition to be more evil

Zalia @ FWA

Absolute sushi for brains

Good thing I like the taste of sushi

did you know VC can be limited to one participant?

Did you know why would you ever want to do that?

10:26 PM

Smh

it's wild it's even an option

I call (after this joke has run it's course) the privilege to make a new phone sex VC for people to get horny in together but then limit the member count to 1

1

I see the joke 's been made but DO MAKE SURE GUYS that the more obnoxious the prank on the server, the more temporary it is

10:56 PM

This one's sort of a doozie, and only functions well if someone is always there to fix it once someone notices ":)

oh dw

11:02 PM

it won't indispose anyone

11:03 PM

i thought ahead

...did geese just tell us to be lawful evil instead of chaotic evil?

Zalia @ FWA

I think geese is trying to prevent a geesening 2 (even tho that wasn't me the first time) (edited)

I am a lot of things but a liar isn't one, I literally didn't change a single setting

Azserfy

i thought ahead

Just saw that, and you know what, this is a good one

not the green thing

Trite is an admin now

I’m no longer the most special boy?

11:26 AM

The bravest little toaster??

So many admins

Why do all the art channels have "Chark" at the end now?

Must be a glitch

Can always check the audit logs

2:22 PM

I think my favorite shark-related change is how Gartic is now called Shartic

It took a lot of restraint to not change "art" into "shart" in every channel name

1

#chat into #shat (edited)

3:40 PM

Can make an edit of the server icon too and make you some kind of evil martyr

3:40 PM

Sharkify it

Hmm :3c

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

4:00 PM

Okay now it's a little chaotic though

i also have this

1

4:01 PM

beat me to it

goddamnit

for the record i think mine is better...

that's why I used mine

heck

4:17 PM

...

To be sure, I still think both of those are too well drawn (edited)

4:25 PM

You need to draw them as if having no comprehension of 3D shapes and only a minor comprehension of composition

Gonna make some changes to the server today actually

9:58 AM

Will Shark Week be a week long, Az? :O

Yes

10:24 AM

...in the end of July

10:24 AM

Didn't really think it though

I can do some bot stuff later today

10:27 AM

Just depends what bots you guys want in this server

10:28 AM

Geese told me about wanting a bot that pings the server with events, and I can do that, but are there any other bots people want?

10:28 AM

I can reccomend some staple bots I've found make servers really fun and functional

10:29 AM

Yagpdb.xyz is actually one of the staple bots I like

I still don't know what YAGPDB actually does more than what it already is

10:34 AM

Which is just #deleted-channel

It's moderation, role selecting, and filtering

10:35 AM

But I mainly use it for role selecting too

10:35 AM

There's something I do in most servers I mod with the Pronouns

10:35 AM

Lemme find a screenshot (edited)

10:36 AM

I love doing this

Make a bot that randomly selects active members for pit fights (edited)

1

Trite

Click to see attachment 🖼️

This is interesting, and funny, BUT unlikely. I might use that framework for another selection of roles I AM considering, though.

Oh God I didn't notice at first

Okay first things first, I'm gonna be using #bot to experiment with the <t!> command to make the times for Group A and B in #deleted-channel more legible.

12:08 PM

Second, @Azserfy, #deleted-channel was a good channel idea, but actually I'd rather that thing still live in this channel and the other one get deleted. This channel was already sort of evil, albeit a necessary one since we literally can't delete it. I don't want this to be our super-secret-admin-lair where we exclude everybody else in the server because there's hardly any difference between them and admins, we're not really holding much more power than anybody else and realistically I'd promote like half of the server to that role if they just asked, we're not police we're just the people who put up signs. For that reason also, I'm changing the fact that the @deleted-role role stands out uniquely on the right side of the screen-- nobody here has more importance than anybody else, not really.

12:10 PM

Fourthly, I want to make the Group bots functionally take over events. I'm leaving that to @Trite because his resume looks good (I didn't actually read it but the colors were nice), the only thing I'd add to the instructions I already sent him is that the dates we 'set in stone' for the Groups can be changed without TOO many steps in the way later, in case we want to move Group B again.

12:13 PM

And fifth-- which I might not get to today at all-- I'm gonna just make a bunch of color roles rather than clutter our current roles with like eighty that are individual people. Granted, I'm gonna make like eighty color roles, but at least there's no longer a feasibly infinite number. N >= Number of Server Participants, X =?= the max number of roles. We're not being exclusive, and if anybody wants a unique color anyway THEY CAN BEG

Making admins stand out is useful if someone needs help fast

Azserfy

Making admins stand out is useful if someone needs help fast

There's a role they can @

There needs to be a clearly accessible admin list somewhere

12:14 PM

If someone needs a private message

12:14 PM

@ is seen by all

I'll make a small list in #information at some point then and edit that channel (Sixth! So, now, obviously, we're getting to stretch goals) to be more legible. Keep the deug picture there and add a list of admins and a short list of courtesies and expectations, and then maybe make an entirely new channel for actual announcements.

Yeah that's good

I'll do some bot stuff after I get sleep

1:07 PM

But yeah, I almost guarantee there's a bot that pings roles at certain times out there, I just gotta find it and set it up here

1:10 PM

I just wanna reiterate that I don't like, make bots or anything, I just know the avenues of getting them and setting them up in servers because I've done it quite a bit

:D YEAH I get that, just... do that.

not the green thing

And fifth-- which I might not get to today at all-- I'm gonna just make a bunch of color roles rather than clutter our current roles with like eighty that are individual people. Granted, I'm gonna make like eighty color roles, but at least there's no longer a feasibly infinite number. N >= Number of Server Participants, X =?= the max number of roles. We're not being exclusive, and if anybody wants a unique color anyway THEY CAN BEG

Everything I said I'd do is done now except for this one, actually

not the green thing

Fourthly, I want to make the Group bots functionally take over events. I'm leaving that to @Trite because his resume looks good (I didn't actually read it but the colors were nice), the only thing I'd add to the instructions I already sent him is that the dates we 'set in stone' for the Groups can be changed without TOO many steps in the way later, in case we want to move Group B again.

And this one but I guess I'm waiting

not the green thing

And fifth-- which I might not get to today at all-- I'm gonna just make a bunch of color roles rather than clutter our current roles with like eighty that are individual people. Granted, I'm gonna make like eighty color roles, but at least there's no longer a feasibly infinite number. N >= Number of Server Participants, X =?= the max number of roles. We're not being exclusive, and if anybody wants a unique color anyway THEY CAN BEG

Yag bot can do this

1:20 PM

You can just do a react role for like, the entire spectrum of colors, lol

1:21 PM

Granted you have to input each one individually

I know I know, I was gonna handle it

1:24 PM

It's just, daunting

1:24 PM

The joke I wanted to make is really hard to parse

How about a bot that automatically posts a ref for someone using a voice channel and deletes messages whenever someone leaves?

I can see if that exists

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...

3:41 PM

Maybe Az was right. >:|

1

3:41 PM

You chose this

I'm gonna continue to choose this too. x -x

Trite

Geese told me about wanting a bot that pings the server with events, and I can do that, but are there any other bots people want?

Ask Null about adding Fishbot - it’s in his server and it’s like the YouTube player except it actually works for music instead of being like “sowwy copyrights:(“ for everything Apparently it’s not a public bot like one of his friends made it? Idk how boys work

3:56 PM

…Idk how bots work either

I like the concept of a fishbot

1

barkbarkbarkbark

5:43 PM

posting relevant to voicechat convo

Okay, but I'd really rather have a pointed community about one thing (edited)

no

8:10 PM

no commissioner

8:10 PM

this is a safe space

1

what?

not the green thing

Okay, but I'd really rather have a pointed community about one thing (edited)

why did you think i posted this screenshot

8:26 PM

was merely showing it as an example of a roles bot i saw in another server that has whole buttons to click instead of using reactions on messages

I disagree

All the other roles messages in that discord server i mentioned look more like this- obv if we used this bot it wouldn't have the same roles to offer

8:27 PM

i've never used slashbot and AZERF works fine for us rn i just mentioned in VC that i like this slashbot and how it works so simply

I think the israelo-palestinian conflict is deeply rooted in much more complex issues than your base assumptions

ok

8:28 PM

but also the palestinians are uncircumsized pigs and god gave Jerusalem to the isrialites so yeah

DONE

9:48 PM

ASFASFAWSDGDFGJTGFRTGAEDSRDF

NICE

Zalia @ FWA

All the other roles messages in that discord server i mentioned look more like this- obv if we used this bot it wouldn't have the same roles to offer

OH I shoulda

11:06 PM

Thats

11:06 PM

Hmmm

I am awake

Might be better than the shit I had

Time to bot

Yeah you do that thanks goodnight

Bababooey

not the green thing

Might be better than the shit I had

maybe but what we got now aint bad and i love the touch of the color wheel photo above the color roles, that's like automatically intuitive

Zalia @ FWA

maybe but what we got now aint bad and i love the touch of the color wheel photo above the color roles, that's like automatically intuitive

The color wheel looks super shitty when given a close look

11:08 PM

Which is also kind of the point

11:08 PM

Also I changed the setting of the actual colors Zalia, go pick yours and read through them all, kinda proud

MAN KEEPS STRIPPING MY COLOR ROLE

11:09 PM

forcing me to go use his "bot" (spy program)

11:10 PM

oh this

11:10 PM

this is a very fitting role name

Also Trite, I'll throw whatever roles or perms need to be thrown your way if you message me-- but that'll be in about 7 hours

11:15 PM

Nininini

I got all I need

11:16 PM

Though would i be allowed to make an event channel?

11:17 PM

The bot needs a channel to put all the event notifs into

11:17 PM

@not the green thing

11:18 PM

Eh, I'll just do what's needed

Wait

11:19 PM

All?

11:19 PM

Can't it just, like, use the #drawpile and #gartic-phone channels as needed

Oh, yeah it can use those

11:20 PM

Ngl I forgot those existed

How early should people get a reminder before the event starts

11:33 PM

Hour, 30 minutes, 15 minutes?

11:33 PM

Apollo is defaulted to 15 minutes but I can change that

we usually do one hour

11:34 PM

but 30 minutes should work fine

So 30 minutes then?

that's it we don't need any mods anymore

11:36 PM

robots have replaced our jobs (edited)

our only role is to make geese sad

11:37 PM

@geese your ass is average

Azserfy

our only role is to make geese sad

YOU HAVE FINALLY SOLVED THE PUZZLES, NOW YOUR TRUE TRIALS BEGIN

Trite

So 30 minutes then?

Do whichever you feel is better

Apollo will now remind group A or B respectively 30 minutes before an event, and 2 hours after the event ends, will ping the roles for the next event, and will do this weekly

Azserfy

@geese your ass is average

"Making me sad" and "Lying" are mutually exclusive

11:37 PM

right

I can disable the ping if you guys want

it's below average

Ping only before the event and when the event starts, and then it shouldn't ping again (edited)

Azserfy

it's below average

A little hurtful

Alrighty

alright time to shift gears

11:39 PM

I will now emotionally destroy geese forever

11:39 PM

non geese folks, please do not spoiler the following message, or you will be collateral and the memetic agent has no cure

11:40 PM

this is a shrek blowjob emoji and you will never ever be able to see it any other way ever again

11:40 PM

11:41 PM

Damn

Okay, everything is set up

11:51 PM

So far I only have group A Drawpile and Group B Gartic Phone set up, are there any other events that need to be set up weekly?

nope

What

6:04 AM

Yes

6:05 AM

Aaaaa Trite, every other week Group A and Group B switch themes x -x

Ooh

6:27 AM

?

6:27 AM

Explain, I am confusion

Group A is doing Gartic Phone next week

I'll try to fix it on my break

6:37 AM

Also I literally just copied what the events tab says

6:37 AM

I'm still kind of confused what you want me to change

Glimbo grungo

I think I got it now

glimbo grumbo...

Okay... I think I have it all set up now

3:32 PM

All I need to figure out is how to make the bot ping a second time as the event starts

3:34 PM

Because as it is rn, each event is in an interval of 14 days, aka every week it will cycle between group A and B having Gartic and Drawpile, and will swap the next week, and the moment each event ends, a new event will occur, which is 2 hours after the initial event, because I set the event posts to happen every 7 days, meaning every time one event happens, the other will pop up (edited)

3:35 PM

At least that's what I hope it's gonna do

3:37 PM

Atm all 4 events are in the channel at once because I had to make them initially, give it some time and it should be regularly posting in it's respective intervals (edited)

3:41 PM

So the only downside is that I don't know if Apollo pings when the event starts

3:42 PM

I don't see why it wouldn't, considering it asks me when the event starts

3:42 PM

But that's just something to see when it happens

3:43 PM

All events are in UTC time as well, so it should set the time for everyone's respective time zones automatically (edited)

3:45 PM

The only real downside is that it's going by daily intervals instead of on a set day of the month, so the moment February hits the events will need to be reset back to their respective days of the week due to leap year bullshit (edited)

3:46 PM

But that's a problem we not only can't fix but something for future me to get fucked over about

3:46 PM

3:48 PM

What might happen is the event reminders might overlap, because that 7 day interval event post doesn't have a specific time, it's just... 7 days, but I'm assuming it will post a new event during the time of the immediate event, so the moment one event starts or ends the other will pop up

3:49 PM

This might lead to two pings at the same time, but I can't really change that because all 4 events need to be there, lol

3:50 PM

Either way it's all set up and it's all good, I'm just rambling about possible annoyances or problems I don't really think are gonna crop up (edited)

I'm gonna troubleshoot the bot later tonight and see what's the deal with it not working

12:56 AM

If it just plain doesn't work I'll try bringing in another bot, and actually test it before setting it up for events

Replace this old stinky no good bot with buddy (dependable and friendly)

My initial thought is the bot isn't high up enough in the hierarchy of roles to be able to ping, but idk if the ping setting is disabled for the @/ everyone role

12:57 AM

Again I'll have to check it

Regular members can ping roles I think

@not the green thing can you give Apollo administrative powers

1:21 PM

Aka the admin role

1:21 PM

That might solve the ping problem

1:22 PM

I'm gonna do a test after that's done for an event 2 minutes later, and see if that pings

Doin it

1:22 PM

Done it

Thank you

1:25 PM

Did that ping you?

1:27 PM

Ohhhhhhhh

Pinged me

So Apollo doesn't Ping at

1:27 PM

Or well it doesn't Ping the moment it starts (edited)

1:28 PM

I can't fix that, lol

Can it create events, though?

1:29 PM

We might use a different ping bot.

1:29 PM

One that literally just @s group a twice at the same time every week in the events channel

What I can do, is make 8 events

1:30 PM

And set the reminder for 4 of those events to be the ping for when the real events start

1:31 PM

It pings once for a reminder, and you have that set for an hour

1:32 PM

But I can just set the reminder interval to 0 minutes, which will ping at the moment the event starts

1:32 PM

But you want an hour ping interval, lol

1:32 PM

So I can just make 4 more events that ping at the time of the events, lol

o -o

It's shitty, I know,

That sounds confusing to see on the behalf of people attending the events

1:33 PM

Proooooobably not if we can help it.

Well I can just name the 4 other events "Group # Starting now!" (edited)

1:34 PM

Lemme see if there's another event bot that can do more than Apollo

1:37 PM

Just know the 4 new events thing is like, the idea that wil work, but it's just janky for me, lol

Or less

1:38 PM

I only need the events scheduled in the top left of the discord, and ping people twice at the time the events start

There isn't a bot that can mess with the event tab

1:42 PM

Bots kind of just work on a messaging basis, not anything else

DAMMIT AAA

Lemme see something

1:46 PM

I messed with the ping settings again

1:46 PM

Lol sorry

1:48 PM

Okay yup

1:49 PM

I'm gonna sit and see if it actually pings a reminder before the Gartic phone session if that's okay with you

1:49 PM

If it does, I'm just gonna make 4 new events for reminders to act as the pings for when they start

1:52 PM

Or...

1:52 PM

I found a bot that does ping multiple times

1:55 PM

@not the green thing Can you give the chronicle bot admin?

1:55 PM

This bot might work

Trite

@not the green thing Can you give the chronicle bot admin?

How do I just give you admin admin privileges

2:08 PM

Here the server is now yours

2:09 PM

Okay not yet but here IS the chronicle bot

Lol I have admin but only the server owner can give admin

2:12 PM

And I don't wanna be server owner

2:12 PM

I don't need that power

:c plez

2:21 PM

reconsider

I want server owner bc it would be funny to allow me to rename literally anything here

I already have more responsibilities and power than I reasonably deserve

I technically haven't done a prank here yet

Zalia @ FWA

I want server owner bc it would be funny to allow me to rename literally anything here

You wanting it is why you won't get it :)

Azserfy

I already have more responsibilities and power than I reasonably deserve

Maybe

not the green thing

You wanting it is why you won't get it :)

You're afraid

Atm, I am super tired, I took Melatonin as well

3:31 PM

May I do this later

3:33 PM

Essentially we can kick Apollo

3:33 PM

With the cronicle bot I can make a google calender and do the exact same thing, lol

3:33 PM

Only this time I can notify peeps multiple times instead of once

Sleeby time

So yeah, imma kick Apollo

4:02 PM

I'll set up Chronicle bot later when I get some sleep

4:02 PM

In the meantime, have fun at Gartic guys (edited)

4:03 PM

@not the green thing can you kick Apollo, lol

4:03 PM

Since you gave it admin I can't anymore, lol

4:03 PM

Reason is le bitch doesn't work

Zalia @ FWA

I technically haven't done a prank here yet

My only prank has been giving geese the Geenk Peese role and I don’t think anyone ever noticed

(edited)

Rhodesy

My only prank has been giving geese the Geenk Peese role and I don’t think anyone ever noticed

(edited)

NME

5:08 PM

AASASFGSDGSDG I NOTICED

1

Suggestion

2:34 PM

Purge the OC reference channel to only leave one post per person (it's cluttered enough) (edited)

1

Do it

gonna let people do it to their own posts

3:57 PM

the main offenders are... phoneme, yurei, geese (who is that guy?)

3:58 PM

kal, rhodesy, atticus

3:58 PM

rhodesy???

3:58 PM

how could you

I would go as far as saying purge it to one OC per person by turning off the thread function so that everyone is limited to a single 4 image post. Something about Mr Halo Man bragging on how he can’t choose one OC and then seemingly choosing the Halo Man pissed me off I tell ya hwhat (edited)

Azserfy

how could you

Hehe funy

Rhodesy

I would go as far as saying purge it to one OC per person by turning off the thread function so that everyone is limited to a single 4 image post. Something about Mr Halo Man bragging on how he can’t choose one OC and then seemingly choosing the Halo Man pissed me off I tell ya hwhat (edited)

i like the thread function

deleted a bunch of them

1

Did it too

2:12 AM

Cheddar b gone

server is now 15% less smelly

2:14 AM

the 85% remaining percents are geese (25%) and verd's dried semen he constantly oozes in every channel (60%)

2

The verdmusk

I can take away another 25%

9:52 AM

dies

Huh

12:56 PM

That's a cool party trick

Azserfy

That's a cool party trick

No, it’s not:(:(:(

2:38 PM

No no it's super cool

2:38 PM

You didn't pay attention

2:39 PM

Geese, do it again

2:40 PM

You monster:(:(:(

...geese?

Azserfy

...geese?

He DIED you idiot:(:(:(

ooouuugh i can't respond to this nothing i say will be professional

1

3:31 AM

i understand the value of a server ideas channel but in a discord server where the goal is to have the least number of extra features possible?

I tried to find a coherent way to explain why this was the worst idea since chlamydia but I couldn't find the words

1

tbh the only identifier you need for this server is group A or B and wether you're confident enough in your art skills to answer questions or not

I’m also just like… of the opinion that people don’t need to necessarily be warned that someone is autistic/neurodivergent? Like the more comprehensive alternative is just… not being an asshole when somebody displays the “symptoms” of Being A Little Silly? Which feels like it’s already the default since we’re all a bit mentally thrill in here anyway

3:47 AM

Tho I will hand it to Verd I am now thirsting for an “etc” diagnosis

It encourages people to make judgements before even meeting someone, and it's the art people make and not the labels they put on themselves that we need to celebrate here. Some people are going to see the roles as a badge of honor or personal pride, and others are going to see them as a warning label. For that reason, we can't have that sort of thing here.

1

Yeah that’s a much more practical way of dismissing the idea

If literally anyone else had suggested it I would have politely responded as such but it just feels like verd is placing a three server suggestions a week quota on himself at this point

3:50 AM

Like it's always something new..we don't need to add anything, just hear what people want changed or improved.

3:50 AM

I. I mean I. I'm not going to speak for anyone else.

I'm not a fan of romanticizing mental disorders by making them roles people want

3:52 AM

As someone with those myself I don't wanna just shout to the world its something I have

3:52 AM

Not to mention that does open up the potential for bias

3:52 AM

"Oh he has autism we should treat him like so"

All around stinky terrible idea and I love that there are actually so many reasons why

How many things do people have that they wish were more normalized and accepted by society but never will be because they keep making such a big flipping deal out of them? So many people have some form of genuine actual non-tiktok caused 'tism these days that if we stopped treating neurodivergence like there's some normalcy to be diverging from the scope of behavior diversity would be climbing instead of levels of snowflake status

Zalia @ FWA

How many things do people have that they wish were more normalized and accepted by society but never will be because they keep making such a big flipping deal out of them? So many people have some form of genuine actual non-tiktok caused 'tism these days that if we stopped treating neurodivergence like there's some normalcy to be diverging from the scope of behavior diversity would be climbing instead of levels of snowflake status

I’ve tried to extract meaning from this like 4 times now and my brain derails 85% of the way thru help

overall I'm glad we all agree

3:57 AM

whole idea is

3:57 AM

Very

Besides high-key nobody cares about your special noggin until they care about you as a person first and then they just grow to understand how you work and think organically and they don't need some rulebook to follow for how to interact with you

1

3:58 AM

I love communicating with people who are very different from me. I hate when they decide their differences aren't natural and are something I have to pussyfoot around.

Zalia @ FWA

How many things do people have that they wish were more normalized and accepted by society but never will be because they keep making such a big flipping deal out of them? So many people have some form of genuine actual non-tiktok caused 'tism these days that if we stopped treating neurodivergence like there's some normalcy to be diverging from the scope of behavior diversity would be climbing instead of levels of snowflake status

It's a balance of social romanticism, people wanting to have these disorders because they think it's cool and the label can be used as an excuse for erratic behavior But there's also the psychology aspect of our inner most brain, aka our "Lizard brain" seeing people that don't look or act normal and having a natural aversion to it, making bias

I mean this could be a funny role

Azserfy

I mean this could be a funny role

Especially if you assign it to everyone

assigned autism

4:00 AM

the best gender

Shdhdhshdjdhdh

It's not your choice to be gay

4:01 AM

It's mine

4:01 AM

You're gay now

4:01 AM

holy shit

4:01 AM

I now lust for butts???

4:01 AM

wait didn't I always

Gonna say it. Being put off by someone acting very different from you actually isn't that big a deal. You shouldn't be forced to redefine your built in sense of what's healthy or call your gut reaction to something unfamiliar or unnatural wrong. It's how you act and choose to interact afterwards that matters.

Zalia @ FWA

Gonna say it. Being put off by someone acting very different from you actually isn't that big a deal. You shouldn't be forced to redefine your built in sense of what's healthy or call your gut reaction to something unfamiliar or unnatural wrong. It's how you act and choose to interact afterwards that matters.

That's what I was saying, Psychology wise, it's a normal response from your inner brain

Someone with a behavioral difference severe enough to negatively impact social interaction should never be lied to that the problem doesn't exist, the people around them should instead be armed with the tools needed to properly understand them and change how they communicste if the individual can't.

Lizard brain makes you look at different people and go "I don't wanna mate with that because my children will look like that"

4:04 AM

And that's literally it

Zalia @ FWA

Gonna say it. Being put off by someone acting very different from you actually isn't that big a deal. You shouldn't be forced to redefine your built in sense of what's healthy or call your gut reaction to something unfamiliar or unnatural wrong. It's how you act and choose to interact afterwards that matters.

This statement contradicts itself imo because how you act/interact afterwards is the process of redefining your gut reaction but eh semantics

Trite

Lizard brain makes you look at different people and go "I don't wanna mate with that because my children will look like that"

is this how the gays feel about women

We have higher thought tho, and so we can recognize that's a thing our brain does, which is called bias recognition

4:05 AM

You can't get rid of the lizard brain alarm, but you can just accept that's a thing and move on

4:06 AM

Making any sort of deal about it, whether positive or negative isn't usually a good solution

Broke: telling the kid with autism that he's fine and normal and throwing him in the same classes and exams as other kids. Woke: telling him he's different but still valid and then bending the entire education system around him to give him everything he needs to excell

Yee

Trite

You can't get rid of the lizard brain alarm, but you can just accept that's a thing and move on

gently stroking my purring prefrontal cortex with the lizard brain in its jaws

Rhodesy

This statement contradicts itself imo because how you act/interact afterwards is the process of redefining your gut reaction but eh semantics

No, your core feelings and your outward actions can be different from one another.

It's called lower thought and higher thought

4:07 AM

Lower thought is base level core feelings based around survival

My core feelings are that ur a tree yet my outward actions are to treat you as a real person :3

Higher thought is social aspect and morals

4:07 AM

Lizard brain vs. Monkey brain

highest thought is drawing vore

Yeah and the minute we decide lower thought is wrong based on purely higher thought values, we cut our own legs off

secret third level of thoughts only superior minds can achieve

What's that?

The need to be a buttplug

Being able to draw nsfw without being horny?

4:08 AM

Oh

Zalia @ FWA

My core feelings are that ur a tree yet my outward actions are to treat you as a real person :3

I forgot I was a tree yesterday I was on VC with Kal and we were watching weird music videos and I was like “ew I don’t like this guy he got branches in his head mf tree headass”

4:09 AM

It took me a minute

Lmao

You're just stupid on main aren't you (edited)

1

4:10 AM

Xylem and phloem too muggy

1

I think it would be a silly idea if Rhodesy had some sort of psychedelic plant growing on him that would make prey super obedient and willing to be inside the plant boy if they chose to eat it

1

4:10 AM

Hypno shrooms

4:10 AM

PvZ style

>:c

4:11 AM

Man

4:11 AM

Cultural appropriation

4:11 AM

That's my thing

That was a leap (edited)

4:11 AM

What

He's just a dumb maple tree I'm a Chad evergreen

I'm not following

Context: I'm a green dog that smells and tastes like pine needles because of very long winded and smart sounding chemistry involving compounds similar to hemp and several psychedelics

1

4:12 AM

Long story short: Aphrodisiac spit

4:13 AM

Being a Plant Based OC with Drugs is my thing, I called it first!!

long story short, you have a potsona

1

Trite

I think it would be a silly idea if Rhodesy had some sort of psychedelic plant growing on him that would make prey super obedient and willing to be inside the plant boy if they chose to eat it

I was playing with the idea that his intestinal lining contains a bacteria producing small quantities of amyl nitrite vapor as a byproduct but I never went anywhere with it because it maybe screams “I am a sexual deviant who huffs solvents uwu” a little too loud (edited)

it maybe screams “I am a sexual deviant who huffs solvents uwu” a little too loud

dw we all got it

1

Azserfy

long story short, you have a potsona

That's quickly what this is becoming, yes

Rhodesy

I was playing with the idea that his intestinal lining contains a bacteria producing small quantities of amyl nitrite vapor as a byproduct but I never went anywhere with it because it maybe screams “I am a sexual deviant who huffs solvents uwu” a little too loud (edited)

No, no, it's clear you've been sniffing glue for years

ah ues

4:17 AM

glue

4:17 AM

The glue brush!!!!

Azserfy

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Oh that glue yes I am a glue enjoyer

Zalia @ FWA

Long story short: Aphrodisiac spit

Ah

Rhodesy

I was playing with the idea that his intestinal lining contains a bacteria producing small quantities of amyl nitrite vapor as a byproduct but I never went anywhere with it because it maybe screams “I am a sexual deviant who huffs solvents uwu” a little too loud (edited)

Yeah, lmao

How did this turn into a fursona discussion. Does Rhodes crunch like leaves when you sit on him?

Trite

Yeah, lmao

I just have very dirty tapes I require your strongest tape cleaner for the tapes you see

Zalia @ FWA

How did this turn into a fursona discussion. Does Rhodes crunch like leaves when you sit on him?

Y…yes

Rhodesy is that much more satisfying of a prey now

4:22 AM

Buddy will make him into a buttplug and twerk in order to get that satisfying leaf crunch noise

1

Ngl I fucking love when I get a chance to do the comedic environmental storytelling with leaf litter

That's it, I'm getting a rake

The clap of his asscheeks make the crunchy crunch on Rhodesy's face

4:23 AM

It's fall because Buddy be dropping it

1

Also I don't think we're obligated to type an essay or really engage with suggestions in #server-discussion

yeah we all agree on "no"

I think explaining rational (on behalf of those of us who don't really see the need to go over it outside this mod channel) sets an incorrect precident that we mods or the server as a whole actually have a stance on stuff

1:35 PM

Because imo even when you say "I personally think", what you're doing by posting three paragraphs of personal thoughts is giving those ideas the voice of the server as a whole. (edited)

1:35 PM

People read all that and go, oh, that's the sentiment held by every other server member because nobody gave an equally eloquent counterpoint

1:36 PM

Which like, this server doesn't really have the need nor authority to speak on anything other than goofy arts (edited)

Okay I wasn’t just gonna not tell him… nobody else stepped up - also no, I didn’t, which was the entire point of clarifying that it was what I personally think

TL: DR It would have been my personal wish that you didn't continue to engage verd

1

1:37 PM

Because it's probably encouraging him to continue voiceing his flavor of the week server ideas lol

1:38 PM

Man should run his own discord server and pipe down a bit

Zalia @ FWA

TL: DR It would have been my personal wish that you didn't continue to engage verd

No I agree with that I think I could stand to do less Verd Engagement

Enable him to draw fat robots and do good arts but not to talk without thinking

1:38 PM

Cause he do be a talker

Zalia @ FWA

Man should run his own discord server and pipe down a bit

I’m here to inform you that he does

Splendid

1:39 PM

Never give me the invite link

1

Also in general I have been way too active and oversharing with my Thoughts I promise I do recognize it and intend to reign it in, luv

Fuck

1:45 PM

Server bots

1:45 PM

I completely forgot about that

1:46 PM

Geese, do you wanna make a Google calendar and I/the bot can walk you through scheduling, or do you want me to just do it all

woo gartic tonight

Trite don't forget to ping him

@not the green thing Geese Geese Geese Geese Geese

uh

2:09 PM

I don't wanna do shit

2:09 PM

S'all you baby

Gonna slooooowly unshark the server

7:47 AM

But also, Trite, still need help with things?

But shark week juuuust began :(

8:22 AM

It needs to be a brutal, sudden desharking at the end of the week

1

Actually, I like that

8:30 AM

"Ban all sharks" and we become like horribly autocratic for a little bit

8:30 AM

Az has to go in hiding, wear a mustache and call himself a shaved sergal sona

1

Bahaha

8:31 AM

Amazing

8:31 AM

"I'm actually a protogen who got detained by the Amish"

I let Az borrow my mask and tape some leaves to him to hide the gills

Amazing

8:32 AM

This is my cousin Azesy (edited)

1

I would just go with Azzy

8:33 AM

Azsey?

"Hi I'm Azzy, im a protogen who loves eating computer software and usb... stick drives?"

"Say, why does that protogen have a shark tail..?" Buddy nervously slaps his visor over the tip

Geese, with eyes narrowed: "Nope, that's definitely a shark tail. EVERYONE, GET HIM!" everyone dogpiles Missile

1

not the green thing

Geese, with eyes narrowed: "Nope, that's definitely a shark tail. EVERYONE, GET HIM!" everyone dogpiles Missile

omg the twist

8:38 AM

it got me

@not the green thing

6:12 AM

Question

6:12 AM

Do the groups keep the same days, or do the events keep the same days?

6:13 AM

Like for example is every sunday drawpile, or is every sunday Group A

6:16 AM

I'm assuming every Sunday is group A and every Monday is Group B and the events switch between the days, but I'm just making sure

Trite

I'm assuming every Sunday is group A and every Monday is Group B and the events switch between the days, but I'm just making sure

Your assumption is correct, it's the former

Okay, I think it works

6:29 AM

Oh wait

6:29 AM

Ugh, this is more complicated than I thought

6:30 AM

Also, the bot kind of sucks because it's like Apollo in that it only gives you one ping (edited)

6:30 AM

Why isn't there a bot that just fucking pings twice without having to pay it monthly microtransactions (edited)

6:31 AM

I have a solution it's just... complicated on my end in order to make things run simple here

I

elieve in you

You don't have to if it's annoying as hell

6:41 AM

At some point you're saving us ten seconds of work

"qwq

6:53 AM

You can also just schedule Group A and Group B and we'll remember which is which

Tbh, I don't even see this bot working either

6:56 AM

I have to link my personal calender to it, which I find a little uncomfy, it only allows one ping, which I can fix by just making 8 events, 4 events being the actual events and 4 being the reminders

6:56 AM

But like you said, it's like 10 seconds of work every week to just make it an event in the event tab that bots can't even use

6:57 AM

So it's counterproductive

6:57 AM

It's not helping the fact I'm in a bit of a depression wave and my motivation to do this is not optimal, lol

You don't have to

7:28 AM

Also, depression wave? :O Wanna hang out sometime soon Trite?

Yeah health comes first trite

There's a game Phoneme and I just got really into and its hard as balls and we were gonna play it in like 8/9 hours

What's the game?

A smaller game called Barony, don't look up too much about it if you do because Phoneme and I are trying to master it personally

Of course of course

But it has a couple trailers on Steam that are pretty good

Trite

It's not helping the fact I'm in a bit of a depression wave and my motivation to do this is not optimal, lol

But do what you feel best about, love ya Trite, thanks for looking into it for all of us lazy asses "; w;

not the green thing

A smaller game called Barony, don't look up too much about it if you do because Phoneme and I are trying to master it personally

Explain

7:59 AM

I am kind of interested

Okay so what'll happen is

8:33 AM

I invite you when we play it

8:34 AM

Then we get you the game

8:34 AM

And we play it

8:34 AM

But like, you gotta sleep first if you're gonna

8:35 AM

I dunno man the game's a roguelike and not complicated its just fucking hard :C

8:35 AM

Phoneme and I got hella gnomed last time

Made @Phoneme a temporary admin so he can comment further once he's awake again

When are you playing it

8:46 AM

Cuz I'm going to bed in a few hours, lol

not the green thing

There's a game Phoneme and I just got really into and its hard as balls and we were gonna play it in like 8/9 hours

Phoneme went to bed like two hours ago and we're playing it pretty soon after he gets up soz

8:48 AM

I dunno, a lot later? Depends on what time you get up, the earlier the better.

Oof, lol

8:49 AM

Alright

Even if not Barony, would be fun to find a game to play :V

8:54 AM

PvP, kill murder all y'all

I suggest trying out Deep Rock Galactic

9:10 AM

It's one of the best multiplayer games out there

9:11 AM

I would absolutely play with y'all ~~not today though because I have a dnd campaign to conclude~~

I can't get into Deep Rock

9:20 AM

I've tried it's just not completely my kind of game

Ah well

9:21 AM

Props for giving it a try

9:21 AM

You tried multi right?

Scout

I meant multiplayer

9:48 AM

Drg single player is a very different experience

I did it with I think Hop and Pho

10:22 AM

Like if they gave you more points or money or two kind of currencies or whatever for finishing a mission or doing it well or accomplishing auxiliary objectives, sure, but my experience was that you did a mission and fucked around or whatever for like an hour and then the game would give you $2 to upgrade things. TF2's main appeal to me is just leveling up the Strange items, so is Brawlhalla, but the cap on DRG was just whether or not you've played it enough, at which point you can change out your shotgun for a slightly different shotgun and if you did that enough times eventually you'd have a wildly different shotgun. (edited)

10:25 AM

It also incentivizes specific builds and playstyles-- I'm not about to learn Engineer the same way I never learned Engineer in TF2 and just decided to hate them all. There are mechanics that are crazy specific and using them wrong both wastes resources and debuffs your team, but instead of a 20 second respawn timer, if you fail a mission in DRG you lose a half an hour of progress.

10:27 AM

I guess a lot of my gripes boil down to that. The goal of TF2 for me has hardly ever been to push the objective, I just want to kill. As a medic, kill, yell, and keep everyone alive. Brawlhalla too, just by playing, the stuff I like levels up. There's fundamentally no way to waste time, which feels especially good after a win streak and doesn't make a losing streak feel so brutal. (edited)

Understandable

Collectothons where progress is inevitable are ENTIRELY my cocaine and terror. Do not let me anywhere near Trove.

10:29 AM

Please.

10:29 AM

Not again.

Unaware if trite is sleeping or if I should ping him with rabid affection and support... Hmmm...

11:28 AM

He'd better be a sleepy sheepy or he's about to be inside out

11:43 AM

Which wouldn't be too hard I mean his insides are like people-sized anyway

1

Inside

12:57 PM

Out

12:57 PM

what?

12:57 PM

Geese I'm going to out YOU in my inside

1

Got his ass

Trite slept for five long, we'll figure smthn out broski

Hope trites okay??

I'm fine

12:22 AM

I slept for like 2 hours, then went to bed again like 5 hours later and now I'm awake again, lol

Goodmorning

Good afternoon

12:23 AM

Lol

Hope the boot drive we provided you was to your liking

?

You are now side loaded with 256gb of furry porn

1

12:23 AM

(speaking to buddy, your pfp)

Damn, lol

Wait

12:25 AM

How is 256 gigs of furry porn bootable

12:26 AM

12:26 AM

Is that some niche linux distro? It has to be some niche linux distro.

Azserfy

Is that some niche linux distro? It has to be some niche linux distro.

Nah it’s just Ubuntu, actually

1:02 AM

All versions

Ubuntu 62.1 LTS

Would it be alright if I invited Zusie Vorare?

10:23 AM

They're a popular vore artist on Instagram mainly

Who

10:24 AM

Well if they do art and aren't ticking drama bombs...

10:24 AM

Nah they be pretty chill

10:24 AM

We hung out on Vr earlier and he was showing me vore worlds, lol

10:25 AM

I was with D4VY for a short while and mentioned this server, and he was interested, cuz vore artist server

Sure

10:49 AM

Get

invite they ass!

Hmm I may have just added a redundant bot - @Trite did you already put one in here that embeds videos automatically?

I didn't, but Yag.pdb is known to do that

3:53 AM

Though that's a feature that has to be activated on yag

3:53 AM

You all good bud

@deleted-role I've added a new channel. We've been sort of fine and such with SFW and NSFW and NFL (go my favorite sports team) BUT we don't actually have a place for things that we'd actually consider shameful: consider that people have talked "fatal" up the pole to NSFL, so now NSFW includes "fatal" as a rock-bottom tag-- where are we gonna put it if/when we get an artist like JeffUsherB, a well known artist in the furry fandom... but more for "gore" than for vore. Like, we've climbed the pole really poorly in HINDSIGHT, but instead of removing our safe-zone of NSFL as it is currently (BAD but not THAT bad), I'm making a danger-zone. I recommend everyone here who isn't into watersports, scat and gore, maybe even exclusively, mute #deleted-channel chat immediately since you can't be removed from seeing it, and I'll turn off the ability to @ people through the channel just in case (or ideally just the Admin role, w/e). We're in this to encourage art here, and I already have some admins here who are okay with moderating it specifically, but really the only rules there are going to be Content Warnings and Spoiler Tags. I'd WANT to make the channel publically visible, but since I can't automatically mute it for everyone and prevent the curiosity-clicking-into-being-scarred/offended, it's gonna remain locked behind a role I'll add in the #deleted-channel that's gonna be... I mean, ideally well-described, though I might need some help with it. Obviously I also need to make an announcement for it, but I just don't want to deal with any drama if someone goes "WOAH wait WORSE art exists?!" and jumps away instantly-- ideally there's none of that anyway? I dunno, I have two people in my ear on VC as I write and I'm hoping it's just extra paranoia. I just needed to write a warning here since, like We ARE getting more people, and I'm already aware there are some in particular who don't post their art as often because NSFL isn't the place to do it. (edited)

Was this related to my doodle page of my friend Raz?

No, actually it's related to the blind adding of my friend Jaz without knowing much about their actual art pedigrees. Lots of hyper-scat stuff. Not to mention everyone else who was already here who is super into it, like-- well, okay, I don't wnat to name names unnecessarily, but y'know.

10:40 AM

Like they're COOL they just need their own space for that, as well as... everyone into it.

their space should be the bathroom

12:16 PM

i reserve my right to poke my head in and go "wow this stuff is rancid" to make sure the echo chamber retains just a few holes

1

12:17 PM

people with any sort of fetish outside of penis in vagina ought to be reminded how degenerate they are, it keeps them in line and acting mature

12:17 PM

fuckin vore furries...

12:18 PM

are we not above just saying that some art isn't allowed here? Like, "You draw this stuff, you know it's not popular in the wider community. Some stuff is just for you and yours, and shouldn't be publicly hosted here"

12:20 PM

Normally i'm not above a catch-all channel for everything above the average tolerance line, and i don't even have a huge problem with scat outside personal preference. But looking into the future, i fear people might take it as a ticket to post whatever they want and start showing off things that are not just disgusting, but immoral and make people uncomfortable for entirely different reasons.

12:23 PM

Like, imo, i don't want to start seeing people's IRL bodies, the sadistic sort of mutilation gore art that makes you want to do wellness checks on the artist, or "feral" drawn in that way that juuuuuuust makes you feel like someone involved really really wants fucking their beloved german shepherd irl to be slightly less illegal.

12:24 PM

That's my feedback on the new channel. Same bars that i've always spat, "how will adding this feature change what this server is all about and what people expect from it?"

Disposal is an iffy line for me. It's mostly a no with very exceptional scenarios, I mainly put that sentance in the art because that's my friend Raz's thing, but yee (edited)

12:34 PM

Weird stuff

12:35 PM

I genuinely don't like gore or hard vore stuff

12:35 PM

I also have a fear that with a channel like that, it might open up some people to more... controversial art

12:36 PM

I don't wanna assume anyone in this server is anything like that but in the rare case I don't want everyone in this server going to jail, lol

12:36 PM

Maybe if the extreme channel is around, still specify some boundaries...

If anyone ends up reading my paragraph and comes away frowning, just know I always have bold takes about things. But I'm not a hardass. I want to go with whatever everyone else agrees on over my personal feelings

not the green thing

No, actually it's related to the blind adding of my friend Jaz without knowing much about their actual art pedigrees. Lots of hyper-scat stuff. Not to mention everyone else who was already here who is super into it, like-- well, okay, I don't wnat to name names unnecessarily, but y'know.

Honestly?

1:52 PM

I vote for no scat on the server.

1:54 PM

Everything doesn't need to be represented and every server doesnt need a #piss-and-shit-general

A gift for words

It's fine that jaz draws it

1:54 PM

We don't need to be a place for sharing it (edited)

Physically cannot say it better myself

It might be prejudice

1:57 PM

But I'm in dozens of vore servers

1:58 PM

And the ones with a no scat policy ALWAYS have a better vibe that the ones with a bathroom channel

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1:58 PM

It's a cursed channel

1:59 PM

Like #rant or #politics

2:00 PM

If you join a server and see one you azshark_concern

Honestly I'm down to stick with that

2:08 PM

I feel like it's a super slippery slope, and drawing a fine line is a good idea

Rejecting the art doesn't mean we reject the people

Azserfy

Like #rant or #politics

I completely agree

They are welcome here but please wipe your ass

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I used to be an admin in a server that was centered around vore, but the server owner and like half the people there would only ever talk about politics

2:10 PM

And it was so fucking dumb, because they were blatantly hypocritical

2:11 PM

They claimed fairness and the ability to hear everyone out, but if you weren't a socialist/marxist you just got utterly ostracized

2:12 PM

I tend to be a devil's advocate, or usually talk about both sides of a debate in order to just give new perspectives, and even though I would preface with saying that before doing it, they would all just automatically assume I was against them

2:13 PM

The Server owner was a German guy who would only ever shit on American politics, and it baffled me to why the hell he even cared

2:15 PM

I tried talking to him about it and he was like "Nah I do my best to see both sides too, and only give facts instead of opinions, and not 5 fucking minutes later called my opinions stupid and I was wrong and I called him out on the hypocritical nature of that and he proceeded to poorly attempt to gaslight me

2:15 PM

I left the server shortly after that

2:15 PM

In his exact words "I was on debate team in school and a debate is an argument" (edited)

2:16 PM

Which after he said that I never took him seriously

Back to the topic of people fapping to shit please

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Tl:dr There's a time and a place for everything and politics never have a place in vore

Azserfy

Back to the topic of people fapping to shit please

That sounds chunky

2:19 PM

I'm voting to draw the line at scat

2:19 PM

We shouldn't have that here, it's fine if people here draw/like it but there's gotta be some hard limit

Yeah no poopoo… I moderate a telegram where I decided to indulge bathroom folk and idk… they’re having a fun time but in retrospect I sure am not, along with everybody else who also gets a jumpscare every single time it inevitably bleeds out of its rancid containment channel.

If it's gated behind a user role, people add spoiler/content warnings there and someone from the mod-team is fine moderating it, I think it's okay. We want to encourage art, and shitty art is still art :)

3:04 PM

Never witnessed things seeping out of their dedicated containment channel if the boundaries were clear enough.

It just wafts around

I mean

3:05 PM

If someone is willing to moderate it

How about a vote

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2

If it ever somehow happens to leave its containment in any meaningful way I'll be amongst the first to nuke that channel into orbit :D

3:09 PM

(also yes, it's being moderated)

Yeah the way I phrased that was a bit harsh like… for the record I’ll look at anything and don’t have a problem bearing witness as a mod - but like, pros and cons..? As far as catering more fetishes goes I think stimky people understand that they are outliers and already have dedicated circles that are not this one… but idk, maybe they don’t and a place to learn How 2 Draw Turd is actually something beneficial this could do for them. Like it bleeds into vore with digestion/AV so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I really have no hard opinions on it other than making sure that it is locked down behind a role… also idk even if it’s the “extreme sports” channel maybe we flat out don’t indulge gore for gore’s sake like… if I end up having to witness the premeditation of a serial killer I will be a weensy bit bummed

Azserfy

Rejecting the art doesn't mean we reject the people

"I don't hate poop people! Some of my best friends are poop people!" /j

Hopfel

Never witnessed things seeping out of their dedicated containment channel if the boundaries were clear enough.

Haha.. ah, I can provide you with plenty of personal experience on that.. people being part of an "in crowd" gradually treating the hidden chat as the main chat and acting like all the other channels are side chats... Bringing in their friends, and not interacting as much with un-like-minded individuals, or trying to subtly expose them to their preferred content and intentionally toeing lines...

3:48 PM

I don't even encourage my friends to talk about vore in more normal and tame spaces because, even though it's fun for us to have this shared lightly taboo interest to pass innuendos back and forth about, it's insidious and the inner desire to normalize your fetish in the eyes of people who don't wish it is almost unconscious

3:49 PM

Regardless of how tame or extreme an interest or fetish is,.it should be treated as such and if the room reads against it it doesn't belong in the room, even tucked in a corner or hidden under the rug.. cause everyone can still smell it

Fair enough! My samplesize is one other bigger server I'm moderating in where it wasn't a problem whatsoever, but I can see how with a different crowd it could be.

It's usually better depending on how.. mature the demographic is

5:14 PM

My favorite gaming group ≠ a server full of some of my artist friends, many of them quite well behaved online

Yeah yeah I didn’t take that into consideration either like, there is a barrier for entry to this server (edited)

6:02 PM

Which maybe does a lot of work already to settle our concerns… the people here (as artists) are maybe more familiar with appropriately navigating different content categories like this

Don't shit where you eat

6:24 PM

This is a vore server

Azserfy

This is a vore server

Once again Az is coming through with some absolutely solid rebuttals

I wish I had the skill with words like this man

I don't know how he does it either with being shudders French Genuinely curious tho Az, did you grow up bilingual? Because I'm so very stupid and even with 6+ years of Spanish I couldn't imagine being clever enough to Do Funny in a second language

6:35 PM

I'm actually super inspired by all of y'all pretty much daily: everybody from around the world in here is so clever and funny in English like your power frightens me

Learning english was very important

6:42 PM

For me

6:42 PM

And my sister helped considerably

6:42 PM

She pushed me, made me watch doctor who, read me stuff in english

6:43 PM

School was useless i just bingewatched series

6:43 PM

With french subtitles

6:43 PM

Then english subtitles

6:43 PM

Then no subtitles

6:43 PM

Switched my browser and OS to english to force immersion

6:44 PM

One day i found myself in a mixed group of french and americans and was the only one who could act as a communication bridge

6:45 PM

And it just clicked that i could speak english

6:46 PM

Being forced to dialogue made me realize i could communicate, understand and be understood and I've been bilingual ever since

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Yeah yeah I've heard that so often how the key to really picking it up is immersion (and in retrospect like duh... that's so obvious and also why I never "got" Spanish; my brain never really had a compelling reason to use it) The amount of people I know though who have really made a second language click thru just watching TV with a mix of subtitles... I might try that instead of failing the Duolingo owl yet again

Azserfy

Being forced to dialogue made me realize i could communicate, understand and be understood and I've been bilingual ever since

I'm really trying hard to be this with ASL but boy howdy

6:55 PM

Immersion with sign language is hard, only people I know who sign are online

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I forced myself to think in english

7:02 PM

Now i can think in either

7:02 PM

And it affects my personality and how i think

Language does affect how you think!

8:10 PM

The structure of the language you speak and think in literally changes the way you process information and logic

8:10 PM

Arrival wasn't entirely fiction

Okay I want to comment about a few things here real quick now that I've caught up on this chat almost 12 hours later!

8:35 PM

And listen up, nobody. I guess. I dunno, I'm gonna write like, two paragraphs, and it's gonna be going through pros and cons and the 'way I see it' and now could go either way after discussing it with Hopfel and reading all of your concerns.

My stance is like… unless someone is specifically asking for it why bother? And even then I would wanna look at how many people are actually wanting it… unless your concern is strictly a preemptive move for this one artist who happens to draw a lot in that vein and you wanna be accommodating before they post something , somewhere that makes others uncomfy

Yeah

Assume that somebody has already asked for it in confidence, then. :'|

What are they gonna do, shit ourselves?

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Az what

8:46 PM

Az I can't even with you rn

Shit MY pants? Unlikely

8:48 PM

But if it’s just one person I guess evaluate how much you like that person and actually wanna do this for them bc I wanna let you know you’re not obligated to accommodate everything

I'm gonna screm

8:48 PM

I'm typing up some food-for-thought paragraphs and we're TALKING ABOUT THIS

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not the green thing

Az what

1

8:49 PM

yes, listening

not the green thing

I'm typing up some food-for-thought paragraphs and we're TALKING ABOUT THIS

You snost you lost - be silly with us. Return to unga bunga

Rhodesy

But if it’s just one person I guess evaluate how much you like that person and actually wanna do this for them bc I wanna let you know you’re not obligated to accommodate everything

This isn't really silly tho, this is just "but no don't"

not the green thing

I'm typing up some food-for-thought paragraphs and we're TALKING ABOUT THIS

I’m actually trying to starve my thoughts btw did you miss my “please do not feed the thoughts” sign..? But yes I would like to hear you and I’m done now please speak your truth

Pros of including the chat: -Azserfy, I'd be kind of hard-pressed to admit that this server is a vore server. In my heart-of-hearts, it's not, it is SPECIFICALLY an art server. The unfortunate treading-down of that has been that I invite all my artist-friends, who invited all their artist friends and so on, which turned out to be furries and people-into-vore. It makes sense, we're just at a place now where people not ALL THAT INCLINED to make/care about vore have already left (Themefinland) and people who don't even draw but are interested wholly by vore have had the red carpet rolled out for them (Malfaren). To me, this is something that brings back the point of the server, which is just... art, in all qualities. -Not everyone likes vore, but it HAS been normalized to the extent that people can relatively safely post it... well, like, even in SFW really, we haven't been very good about the safe-zones. Just, hey, nobody so far gets uncomfortable and where people HAD, art got moved one level deeper. Mizu and Soraime are our token asexuals here and the purpose of the NSFW was to segment general perversion away from them. You tier out those safe-zones, and even to them, they're getting their equivalent to scat, something they just are not into, nesting one unlocked-text-channel deeper. The only difference between the two is that this is OUR limits versus OTHER'S limits, which isn't... informed decision making. The line in the sand isn't what WE like, and we'll hardly expand out at the hips until we're breaking the law because the law IS the line in the sand. "I don't like this" is murky water-- there have already been two (minor!) occurrences of scat in NSFL. Technically, all of this can just... go here instead, and there's no foul. -We have pride on being open and tolerant, but (as referenced late in the cons section, you'll see it) to be sure, these are just kinks. (edited)

9:20 PM

Cons of including the chat: -I already hate the exclusivity of the #surpeme-administration chat because I worry that we'll EVER use this as a haven away from everyone, so making another chat that's based around a role that easily segues into something ELSE exclusive or private is. Less than charming. The solution for that is actually the same horrible problem that the next issue brings up, where we just makes it public: -Window-shoppers and lurkers are going to get eye-fulls of things they don't like and might click the role just to see who all is listed as being able to see the chat-- which is a judgement that has a lot of impact on the moderation team that isn't listed separately and can see every chat regardless. The idea that such a chat would be locked behind a small barrier like that would incentivize exclusivity-- "oh did you see THAT GUY in the SUPER BAD chat?" whereas being more public with it would too easily let something very upsetting come in front of anybody who clicks the wrong channel. Like... three times anyway, between the channel, the NSFW warning, and spoiler tag (behind a content warning). Another alternative is to have them ask moderators for the role to let them in, which just makes it even more an exclusive chat-- albeit, probably inherently maintained. -Being cursed and being vile/evil has already been a heavy theme in this chat, and normalizing even deeper kinks would help normalize them in a grander design when nobody really wants to see scat, gore, or such regardless. This being said, though, I'm actually like REALLY CERTAIN this isn't that easy of a point though. Everyone here is friends and lord knows we all want to make sure that none of us get offended and outline our boundaries, we've had exactly two instances of people leaving the server based on something that was drawn. --Aymbord left (and came back) when Someone We Love drew them with an udder. --Tagarik left when Someone We Love drew them having sex. ^-Which, both, realistically, are innocent. Not going to ever claim that we should start down a long hill where the things we eventually exclusively draw are the things each other is uncomfortable with, just keep in mind that the only thing I've ever told Hopfel to redraw wasn't redrawn because it was scat, but because it was scat on a baby-version of me. At SOME point, the scat is the point that was harmless. (edited)

9:22 PM

THIS ALL SAID, with the thought-candy and with Jaz's SUPER inconventiently timed leap-of-faith in the #nsfl-art despite everything... I've also been getting on the boat that says "probs not" just from the fact that having such a thing here would inch people away from the server more than it'd be inclusive for people yet-to-join. We've already established an atmosphere, and it's TENEBROUS but I'd rather have a more conclusive audience of "let's include this" before we do.

9:24 PM

Specifically because I'm not comparing it. Would we really have the energy to not draw vore if someone joined us and saw vore the same way we might look at scat? Would we be able to stop ourselves? Why is the obvious answer that that's unfair to us when it would be obvious to also say "no scat" to someone who wanted to draw it?

9:25 PM

It's diluted, anyway. I'm all for there not being one, I guess I just heaped bad/weird decisions on top of each other really quickly last night. (edited)

9:29 PM

EXCEPT

9:29 PM

I mean, hold on

9:31 PM

https://discord.com/channels/888970103654350949/1061838693394042980/1128854136067203143 https://discord.com/channels/888970103654350949/1061838693394042980/1126094690270326816 These things are MY kind of scat (I can't do gore in art) and I'd be remorse to see them entirely disappear, but I also just don't want to see them? They were posted in good faith in the NSFL chat as it is, and we haven't really batted an eye before. (edited)

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9:31 PM

Fuck

9:31 PM

Okay

9:32 PM

Maybe I fucked up by making a big deal and arbitrary solution for a problem that so far wasn't really a problem, breaking my own rule for "let's fix it before it's broken!" for dealing with a situation that hadn't started yet. We've had CWs and worse in NSFL as it is.

9:34 PM

Someone please get back to me on this, my head is scrombled and I'm realizing the only reason Jaz's new post seems out of place at all is because I've made a big deal about changing something about the server in the last 24 hours.

how about we ban everyone except malfaren and give him admin

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Don't tempt me, I've done more for a joke before

9:42 PM

...

9:43 PM

Okay maybe not . _.

not the green thing

THIS ALL SAID, with the thought-candy and with Jaz's SUPER inconventiently timed leap-of-faith in the #nsfl-art despite everything... I've also been getting on the boat that says "probs not" just from the fact that having such a thing here would inch people away from the server more than it'd be inclusive for people yet-to-join. We've already established an atmosphere, and it's TENEBROUS but I'd rather have a more conclusive audience of "let's include this" before we do.

Hey so everything you said here is completely correct and now I know even less about what the right move would be 😵‍💫

Azserfy

how about we ban everyone except malfaren and give him admin

I’m gonna draw Shark peeking out of a ridiculously oversized shirt that reads “The Ideas Man”

don't it would make way too powerful

not the green thing

Don't tempt me, I've done more for a joke before

If you ever want/need to just torch this place I AM genuinely suggesting that this is how we should go out

EVERYONE IS PERMA'D also no

9:57 PM

What I've figured out here at the end is that, like

9:58 PM

Everything is fine as it is and I'm not posting a new extreme-kinks chat, but we also shouldn't make a rule against anything that'd go there (edited)

9:58 PM

Just, when people post things, they can CW and we can talk about it needing to be somewhere else, that's how it was already gonna work

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9:59 PM

I'm just on the side of whoever is trying their best

10:00 PM

And I was the Bad Guy All Along by running at everyone with this like a stick of dynamite and going EVERYONE EVERYONE HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW AAAAA

I wanna reflect on the Malf invite being a huge bummer lol I was like “Vore dragon is gonna do art?? In my Christian minecraft server?? Neat!” and then oopsie, not a word unless Hopfel is doodling his OC specifically. And of course he’s nice enough so I’m sure he’s simply too busy to be bothered with every discord server but hmmmm I kinda just wanted to see what the Malf digital-artist journey looked like idk

not the green thing

Just, when people post things, they can CW and we can talk about it needing to be somewhere else, that's how it was already gonna work

Yeah yeah yeah I honestly forgot that spoilering was an option bc I never get that ~out there~ with what I draw… but don’t reinvent the wheel unless somebody asks you to, I think that works just fine already

not the green thing

And I was the Bad Guy All Along by running at everyone with this like a stick of dynamite and going EVERYONE EVERYONE HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW AAAAA

You literally ran in here with a poo in one of those claw grabbers and we all went “aaAAH”

Don't forget I then said "Now DISCUSS"

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10:09 PM

And left for 12 hours with no additional comments

not the green thing

And left for 12 hours with no additional comments

YEAH that was your only mistake we can get chatty when given zero context?? Lmao

Honestly

11:55 PM

I just think nsfl chat is fine to have the scat in it

11:55 PM

Cuz scat is indeed nsfl

11:56 PM

As long as it has a spoiler and CW on it I really don't care

11:56 PM

Making an entire new chat for just a different type of nsfl content just makes it a redundant channel (edited)

11:57 PM

I feel like we're making this a way bigger problem than it needs to be, and overthinking things that might happen, but in reality can't do anything about unless it actually does happen

11:58 PM

And knowing the people in this server I don't actually think any of that will happen

That is overall a good take

11:58 PM

Wh

Just let them post, but have a few filters to let people know what the hell it is they're gonna be revealing

Azserfy

That is overall a good take

That message was meant as a reply to geese but got sent a few hours late for some strange discord reason

Ha

12:01 AM

Butt yeah, I know I keep changing my stance, but after a new day for me... honestly this is kind of a pointless conversation

12:02 AM

Nsfl already exists and as long as people tag their stuff properly it shouldn't be an issue

12:02 AM

If you click on something knowing full well what it is and still get offended you have no one to blame but yourself

Trite

If you click on something knowing full well what it is and still get offended you have no one to blame but yourself

*If you click on something knowing full well what it is and still get offended you have no one to blame but ~~yourself~~ Geese*

12:04 AM

Fixed it

Can we just delete the extreme channel and just... add a rule to properly tag your stuff and spoiler it in the nsfl channel?

12:04 AM

@not the green thing

12:05 AM

I've read though all of the debate on this, and I don't really see why this solution isn't bad

12:06 AM

I just feel like the extreme chat is reduntant

That's true tbh

12:06 AM

I'm opposed to a scat channel

12:07 AM

But if it remains in the nsfl... well that channel already has gore which i can't stand, and i never saw any of it until geese linked it

12:08 AM

So w/e it won't bother me

If you guys are worried about exclusivity then making an entire channel dedicated to said thing isn't gonna help

Trite

Can we just delete the extreme channel and just... add a rule to properly tag your stuff and spoiler it in the nsfl channel?

Good Take, entirely agree

Trite

Butt yeah, I know I keep changing my stance, but after a new day for me... honestly this is kind of a pointless conversation

That's where we ended

Trite

Can we just delete the extreme channel and just... add a rule to properly tag your stuff and spoiler it in the nsfl channel?

I don't think we need a rule for it either though: again, Jaz already posted once and he gave the proper CW, when it happens and someone gets offput by something, then we'll reconveine and decide whether it was a mistake

Yes but Jaz isn't the only drawer of the stuff

I replied to random messages flip

Its more as a general rule

not the green thing

Everything is fine as it is and I'm not posting a new extreme-kinks chat, but we also shouldn't make a rule against anything that'd go there (edited)

Also, Trite, this is what we ended on was deleting it and not making it necessary

12:29 AM

So, yes

A general rule of let people know what you drew before you show it if it's not art for everyone, is a good idea

12:29 AM

So why isn't it deleted, lol

It is now! I forgot to earlier.

Oh it is now

12:29 AM

Good, lol

not the green thing

I don't think we need a rule for it either though: again, Jaz already posted once and he gave the proper CW, when it happens and someone gets offput by something, then we'll reconveine and decide whether it was a mistake

For example, my main art stuff is anal vore, what if someone is hella put off by that in this server

12:31 AM

I'm fine just tagging it, it takes like 10 seconds

12:31 AM

I think it's fine to make that a rule

Well-- yeah, okay, I know what you mean.

12:33 AM

Lemme sleep on that and call that a new suggestion, maybe even separate from the earlier conversation.

12:34 AM

I want a @Zalia @ FWA-brand hot-take

Sounds good

Wow the conversation has been happening while I was away

not the green thing

I want a @Zalia @ FWA-brand hot-take

Let me condense my many thoughts, az-style:

1:20 AM

1. We should not have a shit chat. What the hell. 2. Shit in nsfl would work but it better be VERY clearly marked and spoilered- and I'm not talking "CW messy digestion!" I'm talking you better use the word 'scat' or 'feces' like this is the e6 tagging system. 3. I believe this server should entirely refrain from allowing and indirectly promoting some content, even if we play it risky with where we draw the line, because regardless of an individual's views... 4. Not all kinks are created equal. And those of us who toe certain lines and dip into certain categories with our interests ought to remember that. My hot take is that "I draw anal vore and some people might be opposed to that" and "I draw scat and some people might be opposed to that" are different statements entirely. Fetish severity works like logarithmic decibel levels, going up a tier is actually a tenfold increase in that severity. What's slightly outside your comfort zone yet still within the realm of compromise has no bearing on what other people, or even the majority of other people, deem wholly undesired. Sometimes it's not about what you see, it's what you know the strangers around you are all about.

1:22 AM

I don't think this is a vore server either, but like breeds like and most of us are at least okay with vore. I don't think we should really let that cloud out judgement of the objective Scale of How Wild A Fetish Is And How Much We Want It To Be Part Of What Goes On Here.

1:25 AM

I'm not opposed to scat. I am opposed about that area of people's lives and art careers being something they feel this place is able to host. I am having waking nightmares of someone drawing brown lumps in drawpile and then me not being able to share that canvas anywhere. That turns the carefree atmosphere of the activity a little more serious and touchy in my book, like unmatched, overly crass humor at a chill social scene.

1:27 AM

(sorry- that's my "condensed". I know geese hates the "elitism" of a moderator chat away from public eyes but honestly this privacy and confidentiality is the only way I'd share my thoughts like this- free from the risk of literally everybody in the server jumping in)

Would anyone be opposed to me replying to Jax's post and telling him "while we don't dissalow scat, and I appreciate the spoiler, do please specifically mention it going forward"?

1:40 AM

I'm not even like 100% this is scat, man.. I just.. if it's brown and long we should probably just keep it all under the same category katdepresso

Zalia @ FWA

Would anyone be opposed to me replying to Jax's post and telling him "while we don't dissalow scat, and I appreciate the spoiler, do please specifically mention it going forward"?

@deleted-role sorry to ping

1:41 AM

This is targeting everyone BUT geese who is sleep

Wasn't this was I was saying

1:48 AM

Just make a rule to cw and spoiler stuff in the nsfl channel

1:48 AM

And we can add another rule to just, not have nsfl content in drawpiles

I'm just gonna say it politely to him

I feel like that's just targeting him

1:51 AM

He might not be the only drawer of that stuff

1:51 AM

Just making it a general rule prevents confusion in the future

I feel like if we remind everyone equally it will be fair

1:52 AM

Heaven forbid people feel targeted when we gently nudge them to observe the rules

I feel like we're saying the same thing, just in different manners

1:53 AM

Just make it a rule to cw and spoiler stuff in nsfl, and no nsfl in drawpiles

No, what I'm saying is that adding "spoiler scat content" to the current rules would be JARRING and automatically suggest to new people that this shit gets posted on the regular

1:54 AM

Just have these things be unspoken standards like they usually are

I'm not saying to add a rule that specifically states scat content

1:54 AM

I'm saying for the nsfl chat in general

1:54 AM

If you share something there, cw and spoiler it

1:55 AM

Because Aymbord and I have shared gore there

Sure, I guess, but it sounds like you're saying that isnt already a given? (edited)

Trite

Because Aymbord and I have shared gore there

Bad and naughty

We already do it, but establishing it as a rule prevents any confusion to any new server peeps in the future

I am going to draw piss now just to be involved

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1:56 AM

like little stick men

When you say "establishing as a rule" I'm picturing putting it in the list of five rules, which I'm trying to stress is unneeded

1:56 AM

Like yes. It's already a rule. In 99% of social spaces.

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Are you saying it's reduntant?

1:57 AM

Common courtesy rule (edited)

Yeah. Just asking people once politely should be enough for them to get the hint.

Okay yeah I get that

I mean, slippery when wet is redundant, but it still covers our asses

The middle ground might be adding it as a sentence in the channel description, which you didn't seem to be talking about

We can do that

1:58 AM

Just add it in the channel desc

That gives us a sign to tap but isn't an official server rule, just kind of a stated obvious about the channel

Best choice

Zalia @ FWA

The middle ground might be adding it as a sentence in the channel description, which you didn't seem to be talking about

I didn't know we were haggling, lol

or a pinned message

1:58 AM

Either works

Trite

I didn't know we were haggling, lol

We aren't haggling, just searching for a comprom- Realized what I was saying as I was typing it

I want an excuse to use this gif

1:58 AM

Kennyyeen

or a pinned message

NOBODY CHECKS THE PINS, KENNY

1:59 AM

YOU KNOW THIS

I DO

1:59 AM

BUT THE GIF

Fair

1:59 AM

Channel descriptions are way more convenient and obvious AND it gives people a chance to make fun of mobile users

Okay done

Blessed

So out of all of this

Wonderful, you do great work Trite

Takeaway

I may revise it to remove the bit about football. Football season hasn't started yet I don't think...

All of this debate was kind of pointless and we should just make a sign tap on the channel to remind new users to cw and spoiler content

Yes

2:01 AM

Roughly yeah

Not debate. Discussion. I think it's important to all be on the same page, and out of all the mods im clearly the most tyrranical with policy

I don't moderate enough in here to be tyranical

Gonna be honest dude I've never met you

2:03 AM

Wild

2:03 AM

Hi, I'm the diversity hire

I'm Blue

I'm.. green?

2:03 AM

Weird thing to mention but a'aight

2:04 AM

I'm Blue, the kitsune. I've been in a lot of the early server stuff and drawpiles. Kinda just been quiet when we got big because I don't like croeds

I'm pulling your leg :P

Would you rather I pulled your tails instead?

Zalia @ FWA

Not debate. Discussion. I think it's important to all be on the same page, and out of all the mods im clearly the most tyrranical with policy

Not really tyrannical, you just tend to explain stuff in very large blocks to cover all bases of perspective

2:05 AM

I used to do that too

They'd pull you

Trite

I used to do that too

What changed?

The way I learned to cope with social anxiety

Oh I don't have social anxiety. I just think more than other people in the same span. Too many word for same thing type more word.

That's called overthinking due to a heightened social awareness

2:10 AM

Just remember the people you're around, it's okay to not tailor sometimes

2:11 AM

I have the same thing going on

2:11 AM

19 tabs open and idk which one is playing Billy Joel

Zalia @ FWA

Not debate. Discussion. I think it's important to all be on the same page, and out of all the mods im clearly the most tyrranical with policy

I just be sayin shit and then let everybody do what the will anyway uwu

Trite

Just remember the people you're around, it's okay to not tailor sometimes

Other option: rise to the occasion and say all the things.

Butts

Tummy...

I am awake and it's cool to see Y'all Made Educated Decisions Without Me And I'm Happy

9:09 AM

The football text was just making fun of NSFL being so close to NFL, so like, you can get rid of it, most of the channel descriptions were made as a joke like a year ago

But I also want to get on Zalia's case a little about the extra chat being redundant or THAT-far-afield. I understand that it's a pretty literally unseemly kink, but in my head I'm also wondering how seemly vore is comparison-- because it's clearly too deep to be SFW (unlike feet could be), and too kinky to be normallized in public furry chats (which are terrible in the first place and /fur/ has the worst kinds of people, but it allows pretty extreme porn but no vore), but only stands out as normalized here. There are few intrinsically similar kinks that are as popular, meaning it's really hard to make any equivalence to my love of sensory deprivation unless I started picking y'all's brain about where an extreme BDSM thing would go and whether or not it's just... The same as vore. I just don't see these things as devisively (... Devicive? Devise... Ive... Ly... God is that even a real word?) as y'all have. It's gross but I really would argue that vore is also just gross, that the basic community of it are more into digestion than endosoma and digestion is implied murder. I think if the server were... Maybe not better or worse, but maybe just DIFFERENTLY organized, like listing things by e621 tags by channel where there's vore and there's feet and there's musk and there's macro, it really, really wouldn't be strange to add "shitpiss" to that list at the bottom. We just. Aren't into it. And it's not a slippery slope or going to bleed out if it were, I strongly doubt that with the amount of barriers and niceties we have in the art chat, for the same reasons we're all furries and not into beastiality. (edited)

Also, granted, we'd never organize the channels by kink because this is an art server and not a porn server, thus the comfort level is organized by tier between NSFWs, and thus why I offered to give us the new one. I'm just looking at it like I would from the perspective of someone REALLY NOT INTO ANAL VORE who would have some pretty good reasons to quell the existence of the NSFL chat for the same reasons we have here out of favor of the worse chat. We're not gonna do it, though, obviously. Just, we're not gonna do it for really good reasons, and it being so obvious that "we're not gonna have a shit chat what the hell" is... Like, what, no, there's plenty of reason why we would, but those reasons get pulled back under the water by all the reasons why we wouldn't. (edited)

Why is the NSFL channel stated to be used for the drawpiles?

9:34 AM

I thought it was for the more extreme content and not just the weird doodles people make in there. They technically can be split between nsfw and sfw unless they have excessive gore

9:34 AM

Just a comment that rubs me wrong is all

9:37 AM

The server promotes artist drawing firstly, then from there it's content based and yada yada.

9:38 AM

As long as people tag and do the aforementioned Content warning and spoilers, should be fine how much they post in nsfl

9:39 AM

Just like people would do in all the other channels (edited)

Ye

We can maybe agree on a no nsfl in drawpile official rule

10:02 AM

Because it can't be spoilered and night turn people away

Azserfy

We can maybe agree on a no nsfl in drawpile official rule

I was saying this earlier

Trite

Just make it a rule to cw and spoiler stuff in nsfl, and no nsfl in drawpiles

^

I mean

10:41 AM

Hopfel has drawn us all being crucified

10:41 AM

I don't think "no nsfl in drawpile" is as much a rule as it is a social obligation

10:42 AM

Like, people can ask and push you to draw different, but like

That's not nsfl, that's just cursed and a meme

not the green thing

I don't think "no nsfl in drawpile" is as much a rule as it is a social obligation

Geese, no one is going to have a moral obligation to only ever draw piss and scat and nothing else

10:44 AM

It's more "Hey this is public let's keep it to a general public level of content for our niche little fetish we all are in here for" (edited)

Hmmmm

I have realized you weren't trying to advocate for it

12:51 PM

Sorry, lol

12:51 PM

But it does make the point

12:51 PM

You wanna risk that?

What, no, there's no risk, we genuinely don't have to outline that

1:42 PM

It's outlandish to me to even think about the idea that someone could be so focused on drawing scat that if we told them "hey haha don't though please" that they wouldn't stop

1:42 PM

Again, it's all comfort level and we're form-fit not specific-sized

Alright

@not the green thing you posted everything as one big message so I can't reply directly to where you said it, but NUH UH I don't think and wasnt saying vore ISNT gross. It's as uncouth as any fucked up, messy kink, and I am and I believe more people need to be more aware of that fact. It's not really any more normalized just cause a whole server is into it, just more accepted. The difference is, and I believe the distinction must be made, between 99% of the server being into vore and about 2 members being into scat. Whereas I think about 50% are into or at least obsessed with anal vore specifically. If someone isn't into anal vore, well, the need to censor to cater to their preferences really isn't there because from what I've seen few people are actually turned off or repulsed by it, and those who don't prefer it understand it's only like 50% of all vore and the other half of what's posted here they will enjoy. But not being into scat is absolutely a majority camp. Regardless of how more freaky a kink is, the perceived dichotomy is logarithmic.

Trite

It's more "Hey this is public let's keep it to a general public level of content for our niche little fetish we all are in here for" (edited)

But essentially, this is the mentality that I believe MOST people have, regardless of how much we nitpick, overthink, and debate about it. Which is good. Because this mindfulness for reading the room is the best way to treat any niche interest.

Kennyyeen

Why is the NSFL channel stated to be used for the drawpiles?

@Zalia @ FWA

Kennyyeen

@Zalia @ FWA

Why are you pinging me

Refrencing you to na previous comment

It's.. not stated to be used for the drawpiles?

Zalia @ FWA

It's.. not stated to be used for the drawpiles?

Its what you stated

Your comment was confusing when you said it and I'm still confused now why would we be stating nsfl is to be used for drawpiles

5:29 PM

Ping where I said that

5:29 PM

I HIGHLY doubt it wasn't a mistype

5:30 PM

Dude "this place" means the whole freaking server

5:30 PM

@Kennyyeen

5:30 PM

5head

But, you said

5:30 PM

Hmm

Zalia @ FWA

5head

You used it in reference of the

5:31 PM

Nsfl chat

5:31 PM

to Jaz

My glasses are clean, are yours? I could have worded it better but I think the context was pretty interpretable

Zalia are you okay

Not to someone new

5:32 PM

Please refrain from ad hominem at me

Kennyyeen

Please refrain from ad hominem at me

You don't even wear glasses

I do

How would I know that!!!

5:33 PM

It's not in your ref sheet!!

"I made a black joke, how would I know you're actually black irl?"

5:33 PM

ZALIA

5:33 PM

PLEASE

:P Thanks for pointing out my dog shit wording tho, rereading it it's very obvious

not the green thing

"I made a black joke, how would I know you're actually black irl?"

Christ wtf De-escalate dude

5:33 PM

Chill

I'm just an eepy boy

5:34 PM

being tired and eepy

5:34 PM

I'm not even mad, just confused

So not to be uwu gossipy in the secret channel or like, derail… whatever productive convo this is… but I cry

Azserfy

Click to see attachment 🖼️

I appreciate you

Rhodesy

So not to be uwu gossipy in the secret channel or like, derail… whatever productive convo this is… but I cry

snuff stuff still goes in nsfl I think?

Kennyyeen

I appreciate you

Thank you blue fox person with a large anus

it does

Look y'all Jokes and antics aside I'm not comfortable watching people post more and more raunchy shit in this pretty tame and positive social setting without saying anything. I think we've all agreed poop and pee spoilered and CW tagged in nsfl is fine. But I reallllly want to reserve the right to voice my slight disapproval the more I see certain members trying to push the boundaries. Because I have a list of names.

Azserfy

Thank you blue fox person with a large anus

Please don't let my large anus be my defining characteristic

1

Sorry it's drawing my eyes

5:37 PM

don't get comms from manahound then >:(

Azserfy

don't get comms from manahound then >:(

I can't help it. They also like my butt

good taste

Zalia @ FWA

Look y'all Jokes and antics aside I'm not comfortable watching people post more and more raunchy shit in this pretty tame and positive social setting without saying anything. I think we've all agreed poop and pee spoilered and CW tagged in nsfl is fine. But I reallllly want to reserve the right to voice my slight disapproval the more I see certain members trying to push the boundaries. Because I have a list of names.

Why do you have a list of names and why are you clicking spoilered posts after we instituted CWs

Azserfy

good taste

Manahound, not you butt

That's dramaticizing

I mean

Azserfy

snuff stuff still goes in nsfl I think?

I know I just…

maybe your butt I don't know-

5:38 PM

I'm not-

5:38 PM

5:38 PM

bwuh

gotta fade away forever for an hour brb

Azserfy

gotta fade away forever for an hour brb

I’ll miss u terribly

I usually handle servers of the more depraved/uncouth, so believe me when I say, proper tagging is all we need. Everyone here has been brought in because they know and either respect/like someone enough to bring them here so its not like anyones invityed a bad apple, and if they did, we hold the power to remove them

5:41 PM

Its a non issue, its been resolved and plotting what ifs and who nows is just going to leave us running in circles or nipping each others heels.

1

5:42 PM

You can not like it, but the verdict stands

Would love love love it if the debate ended with this statement right here and also if I never had to discuss or witness the ethics in disallowing feces ever again

Same

Love ya Rhodesy

1

Azserfy

I'll put you in my butt and keep you for a while

5:52 PM

come and go as you please, sharkie

not the green thing

Why do you have a list of names and why are you clicking spoilered posts after we instituted CWs

Note that jaz didn't cw scat

Rhodesy

Would love love love it if the debate ended with this statement right here and also if I never had to discuss or witness the ethics in disallowing feces ever again

Kind of an important subject for a moderation team to discuss at one point or another BUT I'm also open to us just deciding when further discussion is irrelevant and just taking the philosophy into DMs

6:49 PM

I'm stressed out at work and overthinking everything but underneath all that there's a shred of caring about this social space and how it's treated

Zalia @ FWA

Note that jaz didn't cw scat

You were correct in moderating that!

6:50 PM

You were wrong in the follow-ups.

6:50 PM

Also yeah no it's fine sorry no bully awawa

Wrong to suggest that people don't post scat too often? Maybe as a mod, but even if I weren't a mod not mentioning that would be hard

6:52 PM

I'd much rather this place just put a hard no-thanks on extreme kinks in the first place. Personally. I draw and am into all sorts of crap that I wouldn't share here whether it was allowed or not. That doesn't mean seeing new people join who draw and post scat all the time wouldn't absolutely drive me away

6:53 PM

I don't care if scat is just a tiny step up from vore on the weird ladder. There's a reason it's never lumped under vore by the wider voreish community the way things like cv and AV and like.. absorption and cock tf have been.

6:55 PM

And I'm specifically singling out scat here. I know hard vore and graphic digestion fall into similar camps, but I don't care to get into semantics when it comes to my personal tastes. Technically, we really don't even need a place to share extreme content here at all. The only reason people do so would be to identify who else shares their interests.

not the green thing

Also yeah no it's fine sorry no bully awawa

No bully! I appreciate talking through stuff

Verd what the fuck

7:29 PM

Well malf doesn't mind but still

7:29 PM

That was... eeeh

(what happened)

1:44 AM

(oh, i saw what happened)

1:45 AM

(b r u h) ( has verd just like not seen ANY malf art at all)

if he had never heard of malf

1:56 AM

why tag him randomly?

it's like the biggest mis-read of someone's preferences and personality you can make

Wait I’ve been in team-building surprise improv session, Dave and Busters hell lemme catch the fucks up

?

2:26 AM

I'm confused

2:26 AM

I know of Malf, haven't seen a lot of his art

2:26 AM

What happened?

Wow right as we're talking about this, verd types up like three more classic verd moments in different chats

Zalia @ FWA

Wow right as we're talking about this, verd types up like three more classic verd moments in different chats

No I know, just roll with it babe

"babe"

SORRY I’m a faggot from the south now… I should have gone with “hun” I’ll do better

"faggot" "From the south"

2:47 AM

"hun"

2:47 AM

1

I am confusion

Azserfy

if he had never heard of malf

To Verdrusk's credit, he was the one who had the gumption in the first place to invite Malfaren. Which I was alright with at the time specifically because I was told Malf does some kind of art, which uh I don't really believe that anymore (edited)

1

Zalia @ FWA

(b r u h) ( has verd just like not seen ANY malf art at all)

To Verdrusk's discredit, w h a t

6:25 AM

I'm more just hoping that Malfaren isn't judging the server because of the ping and is more just aware of who Verdrusk is (see: who invited him) so we don't have to apologize for his behavior

6:27 AM

But just in case, I'll still probably send him a DM that literally says "You're already kind of good friends with Verdrusk so we don't have to apologize for his behavior, right?" like some kind of Parks & Recreation reference (it is) (it's a Parks & Recreation reference)

not the green thing

But just in case, I'll still probably send him a DM that literally says "You're already kind of good friends with Verdrusk so we don't have to apologize for his behavior, right?" like some kind of Parks & Recreation reference (it is) (it's a Parks & Recreation reference)

((I don’t think he will get it but don’t let me stop you little cheemse))

Rhodesy

((I don’t think he will get it but don’t let me stop you little cheemse))

(okay not the reference but the sentiment is still good)

not the green thing

But just in case, I'll still probably send him a DM that literally says "You're already kind of good friends with Verdrusk so we don't have to apologize for his behavior, right?" like some kind of Parks & Recreation reference (it is) (it's a Parks & Recreation reference)

Way ahead of you

Azserfy

Way ahead of you

I thought someone might be so I was holding off

What happened

11:09 AM

I am confusion (edited)

Trite

What happened

Ohh

It’s not really a big deal just like, probably could have been read from gestures vaguely to everything that the Big Vore Dragon who has (to my knowledge never shown interest outside of being pred) would not want to be tagged out of nowhere for being CV prey

That's like the last question you want to ask anyone out of the blue like that tho that's absolutely tactless

1:30 PM

And to the one person who's super well known for not being cock prey in art?

1

Verd is about to recruit sharkstuff it would seem

4:44 PM

I hope that doesn't bring out political drama

i didn't know sharkstuff was political

He doesn't talk politics

6:52 PM

But he used to and some people are still made at him

6:53 PM

For drawing his character with the funni red cap (edited)

6:54 PM

Doesn't stir drama himself though

6:57 PM

Hates drama in fact

6:58 PM

But some people might go at him and cause drama which is why i never invited him in

@Rhodesy

8:30 PM

let's chat here first please

Too late 🫠

:/

I want to say I’m sorry but I’m not. Love keeping the politics cool but that doesn’t get a pass - If he’s changed he can say “oops” and we’ll move on - if he hasn’t then it’s frankly not safe for a lot of us to be around him and people should know

I do think there was an opportunity to talk about it before verd invited him

1

Oh for sure

yeah but would have been cool to chat before he joined or even after before just dropping a drama bomb in chat

Rhodesy

I want to say I’m sorry but I’m not. Love keeping the politics cool but that doesn’t get a pass - If he’s changed he can say “oops” and we’ll move on - if he hasn’t then it’s frankly not safe for a lot of us to be around him and people should know

Weh

8:43 PM

Rhodesy there is literally one rule

I checked chat first and had my reaction in real-time before realizing there was messages here, so I’m sorry about that. But even so, he should be ready to take accountability for that pic wherever people find it - that’s how it works. I don’t like being hush hush about the potential for someone who actually believes these things in the same circles as me, and I think it’s more than fair that he has to explain the situation every time people find out. Otherwise he hasn’t changed or grown he’s just a shitty dude with violent opinions that hurt me and my friends.

Nope

8:43 PM

None of that

8:44 PM

Gonna pinch your snout

not the green thing

Rhodesy there is literally one rule

It’s a bad rule, people should feel safe

Doesn't matter how Christian you want to be at the most Atheist person on the planet

8:44 PM

These are belief systems

8:44 PM

They are not people

Rhodesy

It’s a bad rule, people should feel safe

The safety is BECAUSE there's no drama

8:45 PM

You are actively making something go wrong

8:45 PM

I'm going to feel less safe from this moment onward because of drama that you started

8:45 PM

Which is fine, Rhodesy, just know, none of what's happening right now is important

8:46 PM

We are all vore artist furries

8:47 PM

It's not DMs either, there are people from every sphere that is telling each other to kill themselves and sending death threats, its a person and not their beliefs

8:47 PM

Like the AMOUNT that I want to SHRED Aymbord for being a Christian despite [everything that's happened to me] and I'm just not gonna

8:48 PM

Just, please, also don't feel endangered, we're not propogating any opinion here anyway

8:48 PM

We don't want you to feel in danger, because nothing is going to happen in this chat

8:48 PM

Not because like... it's just, magically not ever going to happen? But because we're here to actively stop it, you know?

8:48 PM

Anyway

8:53 PM

This result might actually be worse than if he had still been incredibly right-leaning.

8:54 PM

You successfully bullied a new member.

Just wanna point out that that is exactly the interaction I was hoping to have in a public way so that everybody could have the rumors dispelled at once

Nope, that's an excuse for rash behavior, not a reason.

8:55 PM

I'm salty about this and gonna enjoy a cake slice with Hopfel and watch TV

1

Okay, dad - I got what I wanted call it what you will

Azserfy

For drawing his character with the funni red cap (edited)

oh okay so nothing new

8:55 PM

just the same old shit people on the internet get mad about

sharkstuff stopped being a trump supporter years ago

This is a conversation we're going to have later, because I'm worried that if you weren't an admin I would've taken more rash action and I'm gonna think about it for a day.

I think this can be solved peacefully

Azserfy

I think this can be solved peacefully

It already has been from my perspective

sharkstuff posted a genuine apology and I know that cost him because he really doesn't like talking about his past

Events that have transpired today have resulted in points being deducted from the appropriate house cups. I think some people's thought processes could use a little more perspective.

(If that's me please tell me)

no i think your response was exactly what it should have been

(I wanna make sure I'm being the correct amount of harsh and also I'm a little mad aaa)

anything more than just me raising an eyebrow at a certain someone is going to lean over into me reacting based on my personal values, when the very thing i object to today is people acting on their personal values, and that would be hypocritical

9:04 PM

But i have a lot to say about this

God, everyone's now walking on nails and talking a lot more than usual specifically to dance around the new obvious, unneeded elephant in the room . _.

Please please PLEASE check the mod chat first next time

not the green thing

God, everyone's now walking on nails and talking a lot more than usual specifically to dance around the new obvious, unneeded elephant in the room . _.

I think they’re just talking actually… I don’t see any avoidance except from people on mod team. Which we wouldn’t have to dance around people’s curiosity if the context hadn’t been deleted… but, well

Rhodesy you stepped so far out of line it's hard to believe.

I think a new elephant was actually summoned into the room with this one. The one you saw previously might not have been smelled by everyone else.

Zalia @ FWA

I think a new elephant was actually summoned into the room with this one. The one you saw previously might not have been smelled by everyone else.

I really think it would have, considering a new wave of people being upset about the image was trending last week

Rhodesy

I really think it would have, considering a new wave of people being upset about the image was trending last week

Were those people in this hangout which is decidedly non-political?

9:33 PM

I don't believe so.

9:34 PM

The image in question was sharkstuff wearing a maga hat, am I correct?

1

Yep

Bingo

It reemerges perdiodically

And you're treating this like Nazi symbology

9:34 PM

I extremily don't feel comfortable even hinting which color I voted for around you now.

Because it is, in fact, fascist imagery

This is what happens when we treat the world like a divided, tribalistic opinion war. Things get sticky.

Rhodesy

Because it is, in fact, fascist imagery

Then around half of your country is fascist, bro.

Omigod this is so unbelievably basic Rhodesy.

9:36 PM

Imagine a fascist joined the chat and was just an upstanding dude. Literally never once ever said anything out of line, ever, nor ever brought it up, nor ever talked about his opinions.

9:37 PM

There might be someone within arm's reach of you that ABSOLUTELY believes that it should be legal to X and it's something you don't believe. What's crazy is that it not only doesn't matter, but not ONLY does it not matter, but you wwre told it didn't matter, and we had a single rule telling you it's not something to bring up.

I mean i would understand if it was about migrants or abortion rights but It's a picture that says the president he voted for wasn't a russian spy

9:37 PM

(Even if he might actually be idk)

No. If it was literal Nazism, the presence of Nazism would be the problem. We Do Not Solve Problems That Do Not Exist.

I can't believe we are having this conversation less than a week after "Morals and Ethics of Drawing Feces". I'm actually gonna do something smart for once and check out early, because the text I can type in regards to my feelings for poop are a sneeze compared to my feelings about how an impartial social hangout treats real world politics.

Azserfy

I mean i would understand if it was about migrants or abortion rights but It's a picture that says the president he voted for wasn't a russian spy

It’s really more about the dog whistling… like haha funy joke but how deep does it actually go and do you wish harm against me..?

You cannot be on the mod team if you cannot follow a single rule.

There's a point where it becomes dogpiling Sharkstuff is one of the rare folks who will admit they were wrong and that they changed their ways, but everywhere he goes he gets dogpiled

9:40 PM

And it really hurts him

My plane is about to take off - I really wanna have a conversation with you Geese but like also (and this is not to be dramatic) but it might be the right move for me to just leave the server. I don’t like pretending that any place can stay apolitical without becoming a shitty cesspool for dickish people to collect in the drip pan when others don’t want to call them on bad/hurtful opinions.

I understand there's a point where political disagreements become so wide that it makes you feel unsafe, and you should feel safe here. I am myself pretty much leftist trash, so i don't like trump and his cult very much.

9:45 PM

But it's still something than can get talked out peacefully, just in the offchance that the person doesn't deserve to be bashed. Like shadestuff, who isn't the kind of person who will start ranting about the gays and migrants.

Nor Aymbord, who is Christian, nor Verdrusk, who... well.

I'm not sure what verdrusk is exactly

9:46 PM

Horny?

This isn't us being played out about not being safe, this isn't you getting to play a victim, you victimized someone else who has done nothing to hurt anybody. They were made to feel bad in a new setting with many different popular faces over something that (you were warned!) they don't even believe anymore.

Social spaces can absolutely be apolitical and "but it will become a cesspit if we don't hold people accountable!" is the exact mentality that leads to large groups of people vocally advocating for the dismantling of society, thereby making it a cesspool.

9:48 PM

My discord server is apolitical. I actively remove people who insist on bringing things into the server without discussing it with me or warning me about things first

9:48 PM

It works.

9:48 PM

People actually feel comfortable.

9:48 PM

Nobody results to literal bullying and finger pointing when they don't like something.

Rhodesy

My plane is about to take off - I really wanna have a conversation with you Geese but like also (and this is not to be dramatic) but it might be the right move for me to just leave the server. I don’t like pretending that any place can stay apolitical without becoming a shitty cesspool for dickish people to collect in the drip pan when others don’t want to call them on bad/hurtful opinions.

a shitty cesspool for dickish people to collect in the drip pan when others don’t want to call them on bad/hurtful opinions

But he gave an earnest apology (and he meant it), and said he was wrong... That should be good enough, right? Our point was that there would have been a way to get to that point without making him feel dogpiled on

not the green thing

Nor Aymbord, who is Christian, nor Verdrusk, who... well.

You're really gonna leave me out like that!

9:49 PM

I'm hurt /J

Zalia's green

9:49 PM

Ew

9:49 PM

Bannable offense tbh

9:51 PM

I'm confident Az has already written a strongly-worded apology to Sharkstuff but if you think I should, Az, I can write one too or even, like, initially if you haven't yet. I think this is a pretty bad way to introduce ourselves to a potential new friend. (edited)

not the green thing

Bannable offense tbh

90% sure this is a joke, but at the same time, keep in mind how long I've had admin priv in this sim and the time I've had to make contingency plans

I did talk to sharkstuff yeah

Woof, I looked away for a second and a MAGA hat caused a bunch of drama

And Rhodesy eventually left x -x

Oh he actually left

11:34 PM

Well fuck

11:34 PM

That's some strong political beliefs there

11:34 PM

Well, if that's how he feels. Wish him luck

So strong it breaches conduct.

It's a hat (edited)

11:34 PM

Eh, it's done

11:34 PM

I'll see what I can do from here

11:35 PM

Sharkstuff accept our apology?

Kennyyeen

I'll see what I can do from here

Literally do nothing, like, this is a fine place to pause

11:36 PM

I'll talk to Rhodesy about things later

I meant going forwards with the server

Also do nothing

11:36 PM

We pretty much already had rules against everything that happened

I will do nothing in the server then, boss

11:37 PM

What of sharkstuff?

geese handles the stuff

11:39 PM

I handle the shark

Cool

11:43 PM

Keep us informed please

will do

Rhodesy has been receiving death threats at their home and workplace for years that's why they connect maga => out there to hurt me

12:11 AM

Oof and also ouch

but sharkstuff never did any of that stuff and rhodesy doesn't seem to understand that their actions lead to sharkstuff feel very bad

I mean, yeah, I guess I get that?

12:42 AM

But I'm still thinking, like

12:43 AM

This guy hasn't done anything and you can hardly get stabbed in a server

No I agree

12:44 AM

I'm not trying to excuse or justify

12:44 AM

just... give context

12:44 AM

eh

12:44 AM

I suck at this

12:44 AM

I'm going to bed

Nononono, that's fine, yeah, it's a thing we'll all have to sleep on = -=

Azserfy

Rhodesy has been receiving death threats at their home and workplace for years that's why they connect maga => out there to hurt me

i understand this (and i dont dissagree with you, just using this as a launching point for my own statement) but i gotta say using "i want everyone to feel safe\this has to be a place for people to safe" as an excuse to feel justified in acting on your beliefs or views, especially to grab someone else by the throat and drag them out publicly because they have differing views, is just I mean that's what people do all the time, and it's just flat out wrong. I hate when people operate in that way where calling them out is supposed to make you look like everyone's enemy. (edited)

12:52 AM

I feel bad that rhodesy has been getting shit like that but like. Lumping everyone who's (other) into one big amalgamation of evil in your head that you feel right in punching at is just not kosher.

Either way he stepped way out of line and broke the only rule. Even with context of his private life, thats no bueno

I'd say more but the mod chat isn't a place in confidence for that

The choice is to act better than those who wrong you, this is a step in their direction because of the attack. Especially to someone who hasn't done anything.

12:53 AM

I'm basically just rehashing what others have said, so eh

also something something correctly identifying political symbols and not subscribing to divisive or potentially dangerous tribalistic worldviews

12:56 AM

I'm not ticked off about rhodesy having different political and ideological views than me. I'm ticked off by his wording and actions suggesting that the way he felt he acted was right, and the majority (and by extension, my) view as well, and took responsibility with it not as a personal choice but as a moral obligation. A very personal view and action phrased in a way that almost demands to be backed up. (edited)

The temptation to write a shorter, funnier endorsement message under blu's in #announcements is incredibly strong

It got worse. Like, instrumentally worse, with Sharkstuff disappearing. Which I understand but quietly am burning about. This entire situation was preventable and we failed to prevent it. Every roadblock was in the way of this exact thing happening and it still found a way, savvy, I wasn't paying attention when it actually did happen and had to catch up. (edited)

6:05 AM

The entire art server is supposed to be this sphere of safety I guess, anything outside of us drawing and making things is discouraged. Yet the notion of politics made Rhodesy's alarms flash and in Shark's desperation to not got swallowed into the storm, he managed to click on Rhodesy's name and see he was an admin and carry that closely until he left. Now, to me, that might mean we should take our jobs as admins more seriously or change the role name so it's less obvious or nix some of our admins because we do have a lot. That all said, here are my real proposed changes:

6:06 AM

-Nothing.

Something actually went wrong this time, sure, but we did everything we could to fix it pretty fast, not to mention it already broke our Only Rule. The only thing I'm gomna actually do better next time is kick the aggressor faster and take the conversation to their DMs. I feel like this situation was the worst way it COULD have gone and might inspire us to have done something different or that what we did wasn't good enough, but frankly, we did everything we could have and had every prevention. If I'm kicking myself in the butt for anything it would be bad word-choice and phrasing and probably even not being harsh enough. But those are also just, kind of a result of not being prepared, and I really don't think preparation was the problem; this entire thing just shouldn't have happened. (edited)

6:16 AM

I've been thinking about what to say in the announcements about this, since on one hand it looks like we didn't do anything and on the other I don't want to call attention to it, and so far I have zilch. I just don't know. Realistically I should maybe outline what "no drama" means and how much tolerance we actually have for it but I also really don't want to come at this by deciding our rules aren't ruthless enough. Rules suck and we don't want to become police or act like we have to be, everyone's roles here is just "buddies" so. I dunno. I'm not even gonna enjoy talking about that but we realistically also need to at least post something, because again, to everyone else, it looks like we didn't do anything. (edited)

I like how no ones responded to this

I sent my apology dickpics to geese via DMs

Atta boy?

Honestly, the problem is already sorted, just need some time for it to burn off now. Making an announcement and its just gonna keep the dying flame alive. Best not to do that, and if people ask about it, keep it brief.

Is this still about that whole thing yesterday?

8:40 AM

Did Sharkstuff leave?

Yes and yes

Kennyyeen

I like how no ones responded to this

Everyone is asleep like you should be

not the green thing

Everyone is asleep like you should be

Fuck you, i'm art practicing

Oof

8:43 AM

So much for a welcoming atmosphere

8:43 AM

Despite past affiliations

8:44 AM

People change, and I feel like one of the main reasons this happened is that no one was really told this person would be joining

8:44 AM

This is why I always ask before inviting someone

8:44 AM

Gives conversion to smooth things out before all this happens

Nope, we had a lot of backwall of that in the main chat, everyone became aware really early and Az pre-empted them by two hours with a warning (to anybody, really) that it was a sore subject for them and they shouldn't bring it up.

So then why did Rhodesy go ham

8:46 AM

I say

Immediately after Rhodesy posted his thing, Az told them that MAYBE THEY SHOULD TALK INSTEAD rather than immediately be on his case, and Rhodesy ignored him.

Give more time

8:47 AM

Let invitations be a time period wait instead of just going "Everyone cool? Cool." To the immediate people online (edited)

Rhodesy probably saw they were joining and prempted their strike because like, he had that MAGA picture on hand

There wasn't any warning to it

Part of this was exaggerated because Rhodesy just never showed up but still

Why would someone own a photo they actively hate?

To Rhodesy, anyway

8:47 AM

Sharkstuff had plenty of warning

Kennyyeen

Why would someone own a photo they actively hate?

To give explanation

We literally just suddenly ruined his day despite everyone doing their best to work in his favor

And besides, artists keep all their art anyway

8:48 AM

I keep all my cringy vent art

8:48 AM

Even if it's cringy, it's still mine

Honestly, I feel he saw his chance to jump

8:49 AM

thats my thoughts on it, but theres no basis for that

8:49 AM

besides actions

After discussing with Rhodesy yesterday, and keep what I'm saying in this chat: He's not really mod material

I don't deny that

I don't mean that as in this is some prestigious role (edited)

I'm not being mean, just

8:51 AM

you can't have an explosive button like that

Obviously

He's the type of person that wants to be able to judge someone based off of associations, and I'm not a big fan of people like that. because then I'd constantly have to walk on eggshells. Someone who can't stand it when people won't take a harsh stance on topics is someone that doesn't want to get to know the intricacies of a person, and just judge based on titles

Rhodesy's not gonna be a mod ever again, for sure

No more sporadic mods

8:52 AM

just because

The fact he flew off the handle over some art proves he's not too stable

Falls into his personnal life stuff, but still. Not excusable

And I understand he has past traumas related to it, but that's him blaming a movement rather than individuals

Yea

It's the same shit as some black guy mugging you and suddenly you're racist because trauma

It just isn't right

8:55 AM

I'll probably see about talking to sharkstuff tomorrow. In my own interests

8:55 AM

See if things can smooth over

I've been talking to sharkstuff

8:56 AM

Keep the message short, i don't think he wants to think about it too much

8:57 AM

He is... still in the dumps about it

Oh of course, I had no intentions of digging it up. Just want to check up on them and see if they'd be willing to give things a second chance

Tell him he'd be welcome and that you kinda want him to join

8:59 AM

Or something

Kc is friends with Sharkstuff as well, so I have prior experience with the guy Dude isn't what he was when he made that, we all make cringy shit, it just sucks that it was done in today's age where things on the internet are forever, so anything dumb or cringy you do is just going to follow you for potentially your entire life

I do, not just out of remorse but because they seem like an interesting person

I feel bad for the next generation growing up rn, because they're gonna post themselves being kids... doing dumb cringy kid things, and it's gonna be on display for their future hiring manager for a job

Besides, the server is safer now in some regards

Sharkstuff isn't much older than me so it'll be kind of a fun boat to ride and see later in life, lol (edited)

I know i've done my fair share of cringe, but i wouldn't be me without it

https://youtu.be/NLp9OQBnfdA

Pear Gaming

i'm cringe and that's based

Trite

https://youtu.be/NLp9OQBnfdA

a classic

I just hope if Rhodesy ever sees what I wrote he'll take it as advice rather than a reason to start shit, but seeing how he talked about this situation doesn't give me a lot of hope

9:02 AM

So please, keep what I said in this chat

Oh no problem

9:03 AM

goes right to the vault

9:04 AM

I did plenty of moderation in the past so i have plenty who don't like me much for giving them proper advice

9:05 AM

I know how things can be in some of those situations

I don't like sharing screenshots, but what he wrote kind of changed my perspective about him

9:08 AM

It just rubbed me the wrong way

I always felt off about him

9:08 AM

But yeah, what he said, did, pretty mean stuff, despicable to a degree

What irks me is

9:09 AM

He isn't sorry

Thats the worst part honestly

And genuinely doesn't think he did anything wrong

9:09 AM

Explicitely told me he'd do it again

Even proclaimed he was making the place safer by speaking up

9:10 AM

truly believed he was doing gods work

And that the only thing that went wrong was us overreacting (edited)

9:10 AM

Like... wtf?

9:10 AM

You bullied a dude off the server

He publically shamed someones friend, like dude

9:11 AM

not cool

9:11 AM

It doesn't just make a fool of you, but the person who brought them in

I was just in a panic yesterday

9:12 AM

But after sleeping on it

9:12 AM

I think I'm kinda mad?

I mean, justifibly if so

9:12 AM

I'd hate to be the one in your shoes

9:13 AM

mainly because i've been there before and wouldn't want to do it again

He was expecting mob justice for his own, unreseached opinion

9:14 AM

And then was rude when no one mob jumped

Actually i feel extra bad because i pretended not to be az because of the no shark allowed funny meme And sharkstuff thought i was pretending not to know him because i was embarassed

9:14 AM

He believes me but it still cut him

:C

9:14 AM

Oh nooooo

Thats really rough, i'm sorry to hear that

Prolly something worth explaining to him later

I did dw

9:15 AM

Had a talk

I'll see about messaging the shark in the morrow. I want them to have a better time and feel better

I drew his character and posted it on twitter so he can't rationally think I'm afraid of being associated with him, haha.

Thats a way to do it, lol (edited)

I saw that pic, lol

9:19 AM

I'm so used to the giant shark lady I didn't realize it was him at first

Azserfy

I drew his character and posted it on twitter so he can't rationally think I'm afraid of being associated with him, haha.

Could you give the shark a heads up of me messaging them? I'm not the best at opening messages

9:20 AM

If thats fine at least. I hate asking things of others

I had the fortune of being asleep when all that happened, so all they know of me is the Kc105 affiliation and me saying welcome (edited)

I was busy at the time so I wasn't aware until things blew up

9:22 AM

More like when the dust was settling

I dunno what to do now

Vibe

9:34 AM

Climb in the pool with... me

9:34 AM

and anyone else in the pool

done

9:36 AM

two hours after I posted the thing I got this DM from a random fur

9:36 AM

it's gonna be an uphill battle is it

Make a note to ping people when asking to bring people into the server, but in reality, eh, don't worry

Azserfy

done

Thank you

9:41 AM

I'm off to bed

9:41 AM

I'll message them when I get up

9:41 AM

You all take care

Trite

Make a note to ping people when asking to bring people into the server, but in reality, eh, don't worry

No, what

9:52 AM

Okay again, this was a CRAZY situation

9:53 AM

But we're not going to encourage people who react like Rhodesy, if you react like that you're immediately in the wrong

9:54 AM

No warning is gonna fix that, if you're racist and you see a black dude and you make a problem, that's your own doing and the black guy is completely in the right

Hence why I said

9:54 AM

Don't worry

YEAH

9:54 AM

Yeah

Azserfy

two hours after I posted the thing I got this DM from a random fur

:c

Was just giving a bandaid solution but I really don't think it needs one

Okay, thats good to see that they'll be fine

love you sharkstuff

12:50 AM

(is what i'd say to them if they were here)

we should make sharks legal again

12:27 AM

>sees there are no more shark chats as im typing this

12:27 AM

oh maybe that bit is over nvm

they are all gone :(

Good :3

1:05 AM

Sharks belong in the shark tank

I may have done a goof

4:08 AM

I mentioned the server link to Sharkstuffs server that Verdrusk made in this server in his server (edited)

4:08 AM

He got a little hostile

4:08 AM

Was trying to be diplomatic, and may have just overwhelmed him

4:08 AM

Now all people from this sever aren't allowed there

4:09 AM

I think he just needs to cool down more than anything, but now I feel hella bad because I just brought up everything and unknowingly got him overwhelmed

:(

I didn't realize he had that much anxiety about it

4:14 AM

That's on me

Apparently someone from here mentioned what happened on his server

8:09 AM

And he went in fight or.flight mode like "ohfuck it followed me home"

That would be me

8:23 AM

8:24 AM

I didn't bring it up specifically, I just mentioned there was a link, and he mentioned feeling wary about a link to his server here in this server

8:24 AM

I apologized for what happened and tried being diplomatic

8:24 AM

He got overwhelmed and told everyone from this server to leave

8:24 AM

I simply said goodnight and left

8:25 AM

I said I could delete the server invite but Verdrusk said he already did, so I said "Ah" and said goodnight and left

8:29 AM

please don't feel too bad

I understand he needs to cool down

8:44 AM

So I just removed myself from the situation

8:44 AM

It's fine, I'm just gonna wait until he's all chill again

8:45 AM

I have the knowledge to be more cautious next time

8:45 AM

It's a circle

It's okay Trite

9:16 AM

SOMETIMES it just HAPPENS

Lol

10:04 AM

I have too many names

10:04 AM

Jay, Trite, Buddy, Gurgle

"Him"

2:55 PM

"That"

"Server bot lackey"

"That guy with the [Recognizable (implied)] Butt"

(implied violence)

im just really surprised that some incredibly thirsty back and forth between two members (one of which i know personally), that even both involved knew was so salacious that they had to cover it with a layer of ironic strikethrough text, gets me some pushback in the form of "uhm its not erp we're just talking nicely about something we enjoy, take your stick out of your butt"

1:19 PM

Personally? Back and forth about imagining some fetish scenario, whether phrased in roleplay italics or not, is still erotic enough that it makes me uncomfortable. Not the subject matter, but that people feel it's appropriate to have a little involved verbal fornication where i have to read it. Professionally? Rule number one is no rp whatsoever and rule number 4 is that admins make decisions, not popular vote.

1:22 PM

I get that all involved (and some vocal spectators) did not feel like this was ERP, but i don't appreciate them correcting me or (like in davy's case) throwing a fit and playing the victim when told to take it to DMs. I don't think the line in the sand needs to be shuffled around like this. If they were self aware to use strikethrough text on their little exchange, they're self aware to know its both erotic, and technically hypothetical roleplaying. If i say it's too much like roleplay, i've said it because i want people to behave in the art channel and not because i want to yuck their yum

1:26 PM

I like geese's entirely noncommittal response in nsfw-art-chat (this is sarcasm) But i also feel like damn People need to have the self respect to shut the fuck up when told their horny is showing. If verd posting The Emoji or making some of the comments he says makes some of us uncomfortable, having two people forget this is a public space that likes to keep things tame makes me twice as uncomfortable.

1:27 PM

I'd appreciate having someone else back me up when i say to take it to DMs. Cause i really like that rule number one here is no rp. I don't want to have to read two people verbally taking eachother's pants off and playing a little game of seeing who can describe something in a more arousing fashion.

1:30 PM

For the record, i know the brief back and forth exchange between davy and vic in nsfw-art-chat was relatively tame, but it's about the precedent my response is meant to set as well as how everyone involved was unaware of how they looked doing it. (edited)

Zalia @ FWA

I'd appreciate having someone else back me up when i say to take it to DMs. Cause i really like that rule number one here is no rp. I don't want to have to read two people verbally taking eachother's pants off and playing a little game of seeing who can describe something in a more arousing fashion.

The rule is no RP because it makes people uncomfortable, and if it makes you uncomfortable, then hell yeah get on their case and say you're uncomfy

6:07 PM

It's just not because we are mods and we have the power to strike people down because of mod powers (edited)

6:08 PM

To be sure, in that post, I did mean to agree with you more, but looking back it was very noncommital x -x

not the green thing

It's just not because we are mods and we have the power to strike people down because of mod powers (edited)

Yeah and that's why I'm upsetti spaghetti that davy got all sour and salty over it

6:55 PM

It's not a "strike" on someone's good boy point record to be horny over art

6:55 PM

People just need to take their "guys, please go to DMs with this" and happily move along instead of getting upset for being called out or teaming up to debate what actually counts as roleplay

6:56 PM

If it felt like "roleplay" or not in the moment doesn't matter,.it's close enough in the opinion of a mod to warrant being gently scooped up and shooed off

6:57 PM

If an unfortunate individual I have the unpleasure of knowing from another server happened to be here, saying incredibly persistent, slovenly, and un-self aware comments after every single art of a female character was posted, id be telling him off too despite what he's saying clearly not being roleplay

Please please PLEASE sit on my face on a hot day

8:01 PM

Sorry, wrong chat

8:01 PM

I agree

8:03 PM

But the comments should be framed carefully so they aren't percieved as aggressive

Interesting introduction

7:16 AM

You may too

Azserfy

Please please PLEASE sit on my face on a hot day

Mods, crush his skull

god yes please do

7:21 PM

Az: no digest also Az: please just kill, just utter destroy me plzplz

Sitts are the best way to go

5:05 PM

At least, I can think of few better

:(

6:11 PM

Geese why

6:11 PM

Why u do this to me

What happened

Minor inconvenience

9:55 AM

I chose to blame geese

I take full responsibility

Okay I've looked and I still don't know what I did

too late

10:13 AM

you're responsible

sharkstuff might join back

8:49 PM

y'all behave

Nice

9:36 PM

ANOTHER shark to deal with (joke about tasting)

Wonderful

Nah that's not fair I don't joke about biting sharks all the time

9:38 PM

What I should actually say is another shark to make Jaws references at (racial slurs)

sharkstuff finally joins our little kingdom and then, suddenly rhodesy comes back?

3:50 AM

someone better dip on down to hell and check the thermostat rq

3:51 AM

and he immediatly (joke?) asks for mod back, too? (edited)

3:52 AM

lowkey geese i think that was a super milquetoast response

Yeah did he uh

8:19 AM

Ask anyone?

8:20 AM

Before coming back?

Not I

Well... i won't be the one to start drama again

9:04 AM

But keep an eye out he's on thin ice

I double-checked with Sharkstuff in DMs and told him I was on his side, and I also have no idea where he got the link from. IT, HOWEVER, is understandable; this Discord is sort of his reason to be on Discord at all.

Zalia @ FWA

and he immediatly (joke?) asks for mod back, too? (edited)

This, however. This was really upsetting. :/

My eyes are peeled for trouble

10:12 AM

Where did he ask for mod? Or did someone smite it

He kiiinda didn't, it was a joke(?) but. It's just. I'm thinking the best of it.

I'm not :)

10:16 AM

I expect a joke, but eh

To be sure, Rhodesy was consistently good at taking care of the gartic highlights. I'm giving him that job back. :p

Hmmmm

not the green thing

To be sure, Rhodesy was consistently good at taking care of the gartic highlights. I'm giving him that job back. :p

',: |

2:38 PM

Is that wise?

2:38 PM

What does doing that say to sharkstuff

2:39 PM

You DM them telling them you're on their side and then the next day you're letting the other guy be a community manager?

2:40 PM

I used the word milquetoast before without knowing if it was the proper application, and I'll do so again here.

That's. Oddly fair, actually.

3:57 PM

I guess the punishment would fit the crime, but I'm also just specifically too lazy to do consistent gartic highlights.

Awful light on someone who has proven that they only care about titles rather than the intricacies of a person

5:36 PM

Just as long as there's no big blow ups again (edited)

I just think we shouldn't humor the guy

7:21 PM

He's shown his colors

7:22 PM

He needs to show some maturity and proof of growth before I feel comfortable interacting with him

I get you, but like. Segregation and askew understanding of people's behavior is also why he's in trouble in the first place. If we posted his original action here and said "This you?" we'd literally be at the same level as he is.

7:36 PM

My point of reference right now is Shark's comfort. Rhodesy didn't rape or murder someone, but he still lashed out in a bad way-- his punishment was either ENOUGH, OR it'll be thrown back in his face when he needs to remember as much, which is his own logic on why it was 'important' for him to get on Sharkstuff's face. The jury's on us to remind him of his guilt, as far as I'm aware, like a police officer reading how many marks you have on your record if you get pulled over, but I don't think it's on us to take it all the way to jail.

I'm not here to say kick him

But we didn't? He was the antagonist and violated like the only rule. And he wasn't punished, we all told him he was wrong and he walked away on his own accord. That's not a punishment, that's you doing something very wrong and saying, I'm going on a walk and coming back and everyone's like, he's learned his lesson because he walked

But I'm just not gonna humor his direction

I'm not for stirring the pot, but I don't think laziness is a valid reason to give someone, who avoided punishment by leaving, a position of status in the server. It leaves a sour taste in everyone's mouth because everyone knows what he did

Then we do our jobs as moderators, and moderate what he does from here on out

7:42 PM

Punishment is no power is given to him

I agree

Gartic screencapping isn't an official thing, it's just Geese saying "Finally I don't have to click that button on a website during events" even though literally anyone can do it

7:43 PM

He's not in charge of anything

7:44 PM

Highlights for the Gartic doesn't give you authority on who does Gartic

7:44 PM

And if he presents a problem for people joining then simply make him not be a problem

7:44 PM

Remove him from the situation

Simple enough

I mean that as in if he does something

Kennyyeen

I agree

Well yeah obviously he's not gonna be a mod again

can i tell him off for pretending to be a mod just now tho

2:35 AM

this makes me super uncomfy

im cynical about everything

I mean think

3:34 AM

Is doing that little welcome intro really a mod thing? (edited)

3:34 AM

I did it once before I was a mod and I wasn't told off about it

3:36 AM

Or did he try and tell someone what to do?

az started doing it the same way every time and it became a tradition

Sounds like an Az thing then

Hey guys, how does a channel category for art sharing sound? Like trades and advertising

7:23 AM

I really like doing art trades with peeps here in the server, and I kind of wanna do a mutuals trial run with my commissions, but I sort of need somewhere to start with that

7:24 AM

Like I'm aware people can do art trades in Dm's, but having a channel for people to advertise that they're looking to do a trade sounds like it could be fun

Greenlight from me

Trite

Hey guys, how does a channel category for art sharing sound? Like trades and advertising

Oh yeah

8:10 AM

I meant to make a thing like that ages ago

Want me to make it? (edited)

https://discord.com/channels/888970103654350949/1063212447256825976/1136901688754712617 Only following this rule, see if you can use it as a metric

5:50 PM

Otherwise gopher it

Lol alright

7:29 PM

Wb advertising

Kewl, made

NO TRITE I HAD SUCH A FUNNY THING I WAS WRITING AAAA

Then write it, lol

9:57 PM

Add on to it, or delete my announcement, lol (edited)

9:57 PM

I don't care

9:57 PM

Do the funny

H3y g4m3r5, TonyTh3TacoTuesdai here You ever wanna be cool, like me? GeeseGlasses

Yeah you do, look at you Well now you can be, literally sometimes. I could draw you with as much swag as exudes from my sweat glands constantly, and in trade, all you gotta do is draw me even cooler. GeesyGeeseBreakdown

I'm phrasing all this like an advertisement but in reality all you're really gonna be doing is participating in our #art-trades channel-- it's new, it's hip, it's funky with the kids on the block, and nobody is allowed to take it seriously. For realsies. You're gonna get art that looks like the art channel icon and it's gonna be rad as hell. Like still do your best, it's all gonna be learning experience here and all we really care about is motivating you to draw. If seeing Missile draw you in a gimp mask and drawing Missile in Minecraft is what gets you to do that, perfect. There's no drama here, so if you put enough expectations on it that you could be disappointed, you're using the channel wrong.

9:58 PM

This was mine

9:58 PM

I'm also just, like

9:58 PM

What the flip is that #deleted-channel channel

I mentioned it earlier as something to do

9:59 PM

Also yes, post that (edited)

I don rember my brain is soft

Advertising commission statuses and possibly commissions amongst other artists

I actually entirely don't like that though, honestly?

I know all of us here have had that moment where we wanna commission fellow artist friends but have trouble finding them

10:00 PM

I gotta work now, but discuss it

Like, hear me out, first: I know my skills are lacking, but like, any time I'm like "you know what, I need a picture like this" I always think, like... "why don't I just make that" The only person here I constantly want to draw me is you, but that's for a different reason and is stopped by me being poor and smol

10:03 PM

I'm still gonna give it the benefit of the doubt though

We also are trial-running an #deleted-channel channel, for if you're

too lazy to draw something in return
have too much money
want at least some written guarantee that what you get's gonna look like more than a duck

I mean, not just for commissions either. If drawing nothing and having no ideas is what's making you not draw, you can beg for requests there too. In general, this is probably going to lead to referrals if you proclaim you're open for commissions here and someone else needs to toss their closed-queue in a sad would-be-commissioner's face. Just, in general, expect that things from this channel will produce DMs, try to keep active job-stuff away from the channel if you can. Again, though, this is a trial run. It's not gonna turn the art server into something it's not. Stay loose and fancy-free up in this hiz-ouse. Love y'all, TonyT4coManbunz

Well that sounds like the server is getting turned into a money grab, that's not the intention

11:10 PM

It's more just like "Hey my comms are open" and maybe someone with an idea they can't quite draw right, or if they know a friend who wants a commission, it can be a starting point

11:10 PM

Kind of like a heads up among artists

11:11 PM

If nobody likes the idea that's fine

11:11 PM

It was just something I brought up with Blue in a vc, brought it up here and I assumed it got greenlit with the trades channel

I MEAN

11:21 PM

Okay I'm sorry, I kept thinking of reasons to not like it as I wrote but I thought I did a better job

11:21 PM

Also, nobody here is gaining any money

11:21 PM

So I dunno how it'd be a cash grab? Other than, like.

11:21 PM

I mean.

11:22 PM

Like, comms being... open?

11:23 PM

I dunno. I personally don't like the advertisements channel idea THAT MUCH but if two admins liked it, I'd rather it at least be tested.

My opinion is that geese should subscribe to my onlyfan

I AM the Only Fan

Oh yeah then why are you not in my ass

11:25 PM

I'm not too keen on the ad channel, it's like having a whore support discord server and adding a pimp chat

11:25 PM

This is meant to be a safe space

I don't want to rag on it while Trite is otherwise busy at work, it warrants further discussion BUT I don't want him overthinking while he needs to be busy

11:27 PM

We'll discuss it more thoroughly later, I don't think there's any harm in letting it exist until then

Nah I completely understand the ideas

1:25 AM

We can delete it

1:25 AM

It feels kind of iffy to me too, I don't have the clearest idea of what that chat would be solidly

I CAN MAKE A PROS AND CONS LIST

1:32 AM

But honestly I'd rather have discussed it first than have it be already there

1:32 AM

BUT I DUNNO AWAAA

1:33 AM

Because now we already made a bunch of things encouraging its use? Can we even go back on them, kinda?

Cool, fixed everything, kinda

2:07 AM

Sorry Trite for making you feel awkward about it!

2:08 AM

I mean, if we did.

Nah it's fine

if i had been here when you said it i woulda been okay with an art trade chat but 1) why would we encourage the commerce side of that and how can we expect people to use it only for reaching out to people to do art trades for and not to try and com art outside of those artist's own channels 2) this place is for all us artists, the plebs that buy our art aren't here so who would we be advertising to 3) we really need a whole ass channel to let people coordinate making art for eachother? Whatever happened to just talking to someone in private asking if they wanna do an art trade

7:00 PM

I'm not fond of the idea, especially after thinking about it and ESPECIALLY after seeing how it was implemented before we talked through everything first. Mainly it's just cause like... we don't need it, it's not what this server is gonna be about. I don't wanna hoe out my art or ask people if they wanna do a trade through that medium. I know it's just gonna stagnate in a week or two or have that one person who keeps automatically posting everything they offer in there and dominating the channel

I think it'd be cool to at least try to get something artfight-like going for the trade channel, because that encourages drawing at best (and will just not get used at worst)

8:00 PM

The main positive I can see about the Commish channel is the referal aspect, if you're an artist who is full you now have a list of other artists you can refer potential clients to. Just as long as it doesn't end up with people getting invited that are here just for that... again worst-case no one is gonna use it and we'll delete it in a month (edited)

I'd settle with that! Agreeing to torch it if nobody actually uses it to decrease on clutter

8:16 PM

despite the fact that i would leap head over heels into drawing an art trade with any number of people here, id hesitate to like, openly beg for people to draw with me in a public channel

8:17 PM

would probably just mention it during a gartic or drawpile event and see what they thought of the idea

Actually nevermind, I am too tired and fear I fundamentally misunderstood, referring to the message I deleted. (edited)

is sterlander over 18

5:00 PM

like I don't mean to be insulting but

5:01 PM

He's had Discord since 2016

7:25 PM

But his bio kind of comes off as edgy kid

7:26 PM

He's been in this server since December

7:26 PM

Who invited him?

no clue

Maybe ask if it's a joke? He did say mspaint

I'm also suspicious of their age

12:56 AM

Don't laugh, but a large factor for that suspicion on top of a thorough reading of their somehow nonsatirical ref sheet is a glance at their bio and the fact that they play fortnight

12:57 AM

All by themselves, perfectly acceptable details. Together? Begins to paint a certain kind of picture.

12:58 AM

Might be worth someone mustering the bravery to casually ask and verify that

ArtDemonYurei Aussy Az Bovy ChrisMono DonCogneetoe Geese Hopfel Kink Minty nemi / slugtastical Null the Honourary Geese Oan (GoYD) Sharkstuff Skiffington spannoy Trite TRPCWings VerDoughsk VicTheTiger Vultchurr Winded Zalia (LTST) spe KAL <3 Johnny (edited)

Noice

HOPEFULLY I GOT EVERYONE

not the green thing

ArtDemonYurei Aussy Az Bovy ChrisMono DonCogneetoe Geese Hopfel Kink Minty nemi / slugtastical Null the Honourary Geese Oan (GoYD) Sharkstuff Skiffington spannoy Trite TRPCWings VerDoughsk VicTheTiger Vultchurr Winded Zalia (LTST) spe KAL <3 Johnny (edited)

Whats this?

All the peeps in the vc at once

11:07 PM

New record

Nice

11:09 PM

I was in there at one point, but not sure if that counts

Yes it does

2:17 AM

@not the green thing

2:17 AM

?

Fixed

6:17 AM

Whoops

2:05 PM

hmmm

2:17 PM

black looks better here on my dark mode client

seconded

I figured as much actually

2:43 PM

Now it's me being dark and Kink being planted in the white

might be worth trying all black

3:42 PM

kink uses very light edges and light colors so it's less visible on a white bg

Hop and I are going to Eurofurence this weekend

11:03 PM

So someone else is gonna have to host the events

I'll host it

Have fun

not the green thing

Hop and I are going to Eurofurence this weekend

:D HAVE FUNNN

Yooo, nice!

I don't like making big changes without getting people's consent or dissent, so should I just make a mini reaction-poll in the #announcements about the sound board and leave it up to #server-discussion to get back at me with reasoning? :/

Nah

7:23 AM

Just ask people to behave

7:23 AM

If the problem persists we can look into slamming down

That was what I was slowly coming to

7:27 AM

Like, my own experience and Kah, so now like, one more strike :/

Okay, the group thing from today was big and also it just so happened to be at the time Group B was originally

10:55 AM

So I am considering, like

10:55 AM

Either putting it back, or doing another group and letting the event on Monday always just be something small, like a meetup

put it back and make the current group b a more casual event

Ye

no

Sure, I'm down

My new job isn't as lenient with drawpile times as I thought, I'll probably still be working most weekends and always late evening hours

So, Fridays then

6:19 PM

Group C

6:19 PM

Canon

6:20 PM

Group A - normal peoples, the BIG ONE Group B - casual Group C - competing for importance with Group A

6:20 PM

Hell yeah hell yeah

6:21 PM

Also @Trite I separated all the art in the spontaneous event y'all had yesterday

6:21 PM

Check ye the drawpile chat arrr

That shouldn't dictate when drawpile happens but anything I can make it to I'll be extra happy with

Sure thing

Oop my message sent way late

6:22 PM

Sorry

Hell yeah

6:23 PM

Uncropped Buddy stuff

Huh?

6:35 PM

Where?

Drawpile channel

Ohh

I am here to bring up a concern about Chris. Earlier during the drawpile we were finishing up with some stories and he decided to make the bot say Nickgur over and over. Very not cool, very not awesome

9:15 PM

Might be in the gartic folder for the week

9:15 PM

As a heads up

9:23 PM

he fucking what

Chrismono? Come on He's one of my friends I expect better of him

9:45 PM

Do be sure to like, actually mention to him to not do that again. If it's not an immediate "okay sorry" then I'll step in and tell him to leave dumbassery like joking about racial slurs out of this place

if you're his friend maybe you could be the one reaching out

I'm not sure which is better, the person who saw it telling them or the person who knows them telling them They aren't my kid, I'm not responsible for them, but I do have the ability to appeal directly to them if something escalates beyond strike 1

Please advise

you have access to the thing since it got saved

10:25 PM

so you're warranted to bring it up

I wasn't there, I didn't hear it I don't want to be the first to mention it because I wasn't there for it

someone's gotta bring it up

It shoulda been brought up as it happened, ideally But I'll frown at him in dms

11:19 PM

Can you tell me like, exactly what happened?

@Kennyyeen

11:21 PM

(I wasn't there)

He was quiet for the whole gartic. Kinda just drawing dicks for the most part, then when we got to the stories he just used demon speak then for the final section of a story he just spammed it

11:23 PM

Rather annoying for the whole story section

11:23 PM

Everyone told him not cool and reprimanded him there

Oh the story tts in gartic, I thought you meant discord bot by "bot" Bruh

11:28 PM

Don't post that gartic in the gartic channel even if it's fake n-words That's not cool

Annoy was responsible for its posting, jusdt need him to pluck out the one story

11:32 PM

if no one does it I will message him

11:32 PM

but I might not be very diplomatic

I did

11:32 PM

Please don't be non-diplomatic

watched the whole story session

11:33 PM

every contribution was something like that (edited)

Mans acting like an idiot but I hang out with him a lot and he doesn't do this all the time

still that can't happen again

Most people understand that gartic phone has to be taken at least a little seriously for everyone's sake

11:34 PM

If Chris doesn't get that then we'll see about how harsh my next DM is

make sure he understands that that was not acceptable behavior

Zalia @ FWA

If Chris doesn't get that then we'll see about how harsh my next DM is

He seems to get that I, and the nameless others that brought this to my attention, do not approve

is he american

Yeah lol

...

Why

11:36 PM

I'm American too you know

11:36 PM

We aren't ALL dumb

if he wasn't he would have had the possible excuse of not knowing the n word has that connotation

11:37 PM

precisely because he's american he should have known better imo

Everyone knows what the n-word means. Making tts say innapropiate language is a gag as old as the invention of the tool itself. I think this was a case of not taking the activity seriously/being annoyingly "creative" with how far the rules of the activity can be bent over actual malicious use of the n word

I do think there is a line between making the bot say curse words and inappropriate things, and making it say racial slurs.

11:38 PM

The second one is less of a gag.

11:38 PM

But maybe that's just my opinion.

11:39 PM

it might make some people in the server extremely uncomfortable

Since you're not American, I'll mention that across most of the nation using even the hard R n word in a casual sense is just a part of language. Its not seen the same way, or as carrying the same severity, by everyone who hears it. I don't think this has any bearing on if it's appropriate to joke about in a setting like this, just context to how familiar someone might be with the word being used as a very taboo gag.

isn't the hard r even worse

11:40 PM

unless you're in deep ohio

In a sanitary vacuum yes But also, more black people use the n word than white people nowadays It's just a common word, thrown around as casually as "dude" to lots of people

>But also, more black people use the n word than white people nowadays and why do you think that is, poopbrain (edited)

That doesn't make it not a slur It just means some people don't take it seriously at all

11:43 PM

What you mean "poop brain" It's not a good thing that any group uses a slur that refers to them so profusely

why are we even arguing about this

11:43 PM

people WERE uncomfortable

It's not really an argument imo And I'm not saying people shouldn't have been uncomfortable!

I'm not gonna enter a debate about whether spamming the n word is a funny joke

11:43 PM

I'm going to bed

Im not debating that it's a funny joke. Just preventing my friend from possibly getting permabanned for something he might not realize some people take so seriously.

"being annoyingly creative"

11:44 PM

smh

I'd call the weird characters in your second example both creative and annoying, yes

11:45 PM

Don't think I'm talking about using a racial slur when I use that phrase

I awaken to drama

5:43 AM

Wao

5:44 AM

But also, thanks for taking care of it guys

5:44 AM

Hopefully

You're a drama

Only a melodrama

6:36 AM

I supplied Trite with crazy smut and he didn't give me enough compliments

6:36 AM

loud crying

He's become addicted and is numb to the serotonin hit

6:39 AM

The only solution obviously is to hit him with a double dose next time, that's a healthy thing to do to someone already addicted, right?

It's to hit him with a lead pipe

Az you too you nub >:|

I had a long week end T-T

6:45 AM

And you didn't ask for extra corrections so i didn't take time to read it yet

More corrections because this time there shouldn't be anything to correct

6:53 AM

SORRY ALSO AM JUST

6:53 AM

PROJECT MODE

I assume you're talking about writing?

7:53 AM

There is no greater love than having your friend send their wip writing to you and you sending back corrections on which "you're/your" they're using (edited)

Zalia wanna read my Anal Vore story

1

"then he went into the butt, the end"

dude i cringe so hard at rhodesy giving new people a formal introduction to the server

10:28 PM

i cringe so hard

They aren't bad, they made a mistake :p

7:49 AM

My own chaffe here is that Sharkstuff also feels confident enough to participate despite them

Hey hey hey :3 @Hopfel can you bring me up to speed on drawpile vs magma It's news to me that people like dp more than magma, I thought magma was invented because drawpile was pretty trash and the last time i used drawpile I hated it compared to how magma felt

5:23 PM

Have things changed in the last 12 months and now DP is the unanimous multiplayer art king? I'm just confused

Okay, so the main core reason we try Drawpile today is that we met Mink at EF who is a (if not THE) drawpile dev, and he's here today

(I'm sorry he has to witness the chaos here)

Secondly lots of people with weaker PCs had issues with performance on Magma being a browser-based program, so we're trying drawpile to see whether it's better in that regard (edited)

5:28 PM

if people prefer Magma we go back to Magma

Yeah cause network issues and performance is really my only complaint with magma But if drawpile is more polished feeling and more on par with the controls of normal art programs I'm stoked to give it a shot

drawpile has a lot of missing features compared to magma (edited)

5:29 PM

but it's unquestionably easier on the RAM

the new beta comes with quite a few new features, have you tried it yet?

Azserfy

drawpile has a lot of missing features compared to magma (edited)

:c damn

(also, animation/onion skin support) (edited)

If I can't have my pan tilt and zoom hotkeys I'm gonna puke

Hopfel

the new beta comes with quite a few new features, have you tried it yet?

not yet, no!

5:31 PM

do I need to download something extra

just 2.2 should work I think

apparently i have to get it again

5:33 PM

i'll give it a try

Do y'all think it was successful?

11:25 PM

Also, thoughts on enforcing splitting the VC somehow?

11:26 PM

We're losing people because the VC is getting crowded. And it is! But, it shouldn't be, not to THAT extent.

the vc is officially beyond my limits now

I think it was a success, but we should see about splitting the groups further

I have an idea that might not sit well with anyone, but would help with the overcrowd problem

12:17 AM

Like, especially thinking into the future where this server is eventually going to get many more people

12:18 AM

Just make every single day of the week a day for drawpiles or gartic and just have each one made by a mod or someone willing to make them for specific days

12:19 AM

Do away with groups and just have scheduled times each day that a drawpile can happen, and if you wanna join said day, go right ahead

12:21 AM

And to not burn everyone out, just make each day managed by different people, like for example I make and host Thursday and Friday, Geese Hosts Saturday and Sunday, Blue hosts Monday and Tuesday, etc

12:22 AM

Considering how almost every night the Vc gets somewhat packed with peeps in the middle of the night anyway, I think every day of the week would get some attention, and let the people get spread out along different sessions, making smaller sessions for people with social inhibitions to feel more comfy (edited)

12:26 AM

But then again, this could be a poor way to solve traffic, as many people know adding more lanes doesn't really do anything

12:26 AM

It also might make people get overwhelmed by feeling obligated to join every single drawpile or gartic, and making those events daily might cause those peeps to leave

Just one more lane and it will be better. Just one more lane please trust me I am begging you. But I do agree the schedule could be worked on, as someone who is terrified of 10+ people I wouldn't mind quieter days

Whatever we do let's avoid fomo, be it less events or making events feel more casual i.e. the goal isn't to draw something good on every canvas (rip poor null) but to show up to at least one canvas regularly to have fun getting better at your art with zero pressure (again rip poor null)

chris in missing piece

Chris in all of them

Hes a problem child

6:22 PM

I do not wish to do animation with him

What'd he do this time

6:25 PM

I'm significantly more willing to berate him in dms this time if y'all tattle to me

I'm gonna handle it x -x

I'm doing my best but I might not be the best at directly communicating what is wrong.

Like he apologized about the Nickger thing which was obvious, but he's not quite grasping that it ruins the flow and fun when he just whites out the canvas in the middle of missing piece and draws over everything, like, afjbas

8:14 PM

@Zalia @ FWA maybe you do it like asdfasfg

Plus I think he ruined Skiffs mood when he wrote it was bad

8:17 PM

but thats up for talking with skiff

What the hell happened

8:19 PM

I can't do anything or tell him to stop till you tell me what happened

Just being immature in some of the modes, not taking things seriously but being rude when it came to most early prompts because he didn't like the game mode or something like that.

8:23 PM

Check the highlights for context

..? There's nothing recent in highlights

8:28 PM

That I can see

essentially

8:53 PM

during missing piece he did the thing where he paints the whole canvas, erasing the previous drawing

8:53 PM

and in one instance he just scribbled garbage and wrote "i hate missing piece"

8:53 PM

I gotta admit that actually pissed me off

8:53 PM

like bro the door is right here

Dickish behaviour if you will

That's actually braindead

1:52 AM

He's gonna be at the con with me for the next activity but for the next one he's at, wether I'm there or not, if he does stuff like that again I or someone else is just gonna tell him to leave the activity on the spot ajd dont attend again till he takes part properly

1:52 AM

Like come on, dude

So glad phoneme joined again

10:13 PM

~~I'll miss him when he leaves again in a month~~

Right? I uh Hope he stays? I like phoneme I wanna draw his characters more

We should kick him for the joke (edited)

I think we should not do it

12:02 AM

But for the records

12:02 AM

I do think it would be very funny

When is group b this week?

I can't fix it this week so same as last week

1:38 AM

Next week tho

1:38 AM

I mean

1:38 AM

It'd be right now if it were fixed

1:38 AM

So like

1:39 AM

If anybody wants to host something in 22 minutes not only would it be acceptable but I'd personally appreciate it

Wait no nvm

1:46 AM

We can do it tomorrow can't we

1:46 AM

Fuck it's a little bit late to plan ahead of time

Kink is a mod now

welcome kink

11:57 PM

what is his purpose

I am a slightly more "special" hominid serving other hominids now

Yes

12:02 AM

He promised to be evil and he apparently, through various reports I'm aware of, took care of a situation that developed

good job kink!

12:02 AM

what was the situation?

So it's like, if he's basically Geese Jr. he may as well be here

Azserfy

what was the situation?

It's not really important we know = w=

12:03 AM

well I wanna know (edited)

SAME but NO

It really isn't important, all that matters is that the situation was resolved with the best outcome

12:15 AM

ANYWAYS hi

12:15 AM

splorsh splooosh

I will lick your fishnipples to confirm their nipple status

12:16 AM

You can't keep secrets from me forever

Omg congrats kink

12:30 AM

(silently to self) oh dear

Azserfy

I will lick your fishnipples to confirm their nipple status

YEAH if you're ever thirsty or dehydrated, give it a shot~

hmmm

12:31 AM

they taste like nipples

12:31 AM

and gatorade???

NOOOOO

12:31 AM

THIS CONVERSATION MUST CEASE AT THIS MOMENT NOW

12:32 AM

I love ya fish boy

Zalia @ FWA

Omg congrats kink

Thank you! ;w;

Azserfy

I love ya fish boy

AND THANK YOU TOO

12:33 AM

I promise i'll take good care of this server, and provide some nipple water if anyone needs some! :0

12:33 AM

and i'll be evil too

12:33 AM

(occasionally)

Yoo

4:38 AM

The Kink for the kinky server

Kink looks fun to draw

I'm not the only one who thinks verd's neurodiversity roles idea is terrible

Yeah

7:25 AM

I mean, I see why. But it's segregating, it's labeling bad behavior with a preamble and an excuse. We're all okay with autistic people and in general it's a personality point that we can get along with just fine, but if someone is actively being a menace and we get on their case, I don't like the idea that they can point at a label and say "but I warned you!"

Its quite an interesting suggestion, but most people in that channel don’t really want it . It would ideally be nice to keep labels to a minimum here, if someone’s comfortable with being autistic or neurotypical, they’ll probably say it verbally or privately in dms anyways

7:50 AM

I know for a fact that in my experience, knowing or not knowing has never hindered my social interactions at all haha It would definitely turn into an excuse for behaviour over time definitely, it’s sorta better to judge everyone from the same perspective anyways in my opinion

7:50 AM

We aren’t a mental health server after all, just an art server of artists

I'm just always on the boat of like There's a chance you ask somebody out and they are already in a relationship. You didn't know that because you didn't ask them before, and you might have become better friends with that person before deciding any auxiliary objectives. I feel like it's most important here to know that people are artists because that's a fundamental thing you can interact with. Everything else is just, something you learn, like talking to someone on the street. I feel like I understand the point where it's easier for people who operate like robots to work off of lists of facts, so I might eventually even concede on this if there's enough support. To me at the moment, though, I don't feel like labelling everything is necessary-- but that's just how my own social flavor tastes. To me it makes sense to work off of nothing with a stranger and do my little get-to-know-you spiels, so I could be biased and just seeking reasons against it.

8:37 AM

Though I am fairly certain that the gender role thing is obliquely similar. Both role types are asking for a certain type of interaction based on denotations in your brain that you're willing to reveal, and then asking under the carpet for people to interact with you uniquely because of that. Successfully transgender people reportedly get bummed from being called the wrong gender and their dead name, so it makes sense to ask for extra clarification.

8:39 AM

If nothing else, I think I'm coming around to Az's idea of there just being a single notation. An "uwutistic" role would be fun as long as Verdrusk literally never says the phrase "Yeah I have the autistic role, can't you read"

He's not looking for an excuse to be an ass

8:43 AM

He just wants people to know he can't read social context

8:43 AM

Can't

8:44 AM

Not "won't because he is an asshole"

I think the role idea sucks

8:45 AM

I'll get back to this with my criticism in a moment, i'm trying to catch up

I am eepy

8:45 AM

Gni

go bed

I think it just as simple to just

8:51 AM

Communicate that he can't

I'd say, I don't like the tags, but i'll relent.

9:08 AM

We'll deal with whatever comes from it later if anything does and then remove them if something does.

Man

9:22 AM

We really can't communicate

9:23 AM

I understand this server isn't the most professional place but we can't let the chain of command just break down like that (edited)

9:26 AM

Az gave out roles without consulting, and we're letting shit happen because a user is pressuring the admins to do so. From that conversation I didn't glean "Doesn't wanna be rude"

I say we just let it simmer. Its not over

9:29 AM

We can still deal with this later when we have more of the people awake to deal with it proper. Just let it sit for now

I more feel like if the team dedicated to making decisions about the server doesn't like the decisions wanted, we shouldn't let a member pressure the team into doing it, despite no one liking it

9:29 AM

Especially considering not everyone is awake

9:30 AM

The correct thing to do would have been to tell them to wait for a more cohesive talk with everyone here, rather than just giving them what they want because they argued about it in a channel

I don't agree with az just making the role without notifying anyone else. I just wanted to cool tempers.

Cool tempers could have been handled like "We hear you, and are taking note, but we prefer if everyone is here to give input, it will be discussed later"

I did take sides though, I will admit, but the whole thing felt like they weren't going to listen unless someone held common ground

They didn't even think about anything I said

Yep, I saw

"Ok?" From Verd let me know he didn't listen at all to anything

9:33 AM

Which would have been a good time from both of us to shut down that conversation

9:33 AM

I admit I didn't do well either

Its an echo chamber in there

9:34 AM

those two feed off each other

But from this I don't think this server is far off from being one tantruming member away from completely breaking down

We are admins, we reserve power for the sake of the server. And we are the faces so we have to look good while holding it.

9:36 AM

If it gets to point of a server problem, we can deal with it

9:36 AM

as harsh as that sounds

I agree with Rruk's points, he feels more self aware, but Verd just was gonna die on that hill and wasn't listening

9:37 AM

So much for not wanting to be rude

We'll deal with it properly tomorrow

9:38 AM

when everyones up

9:38 AM

then we'll get a democratic approach to it

9:41 AM

I would also like to pronounce a new rule of law, the server transitions from an Anarchy to a Democracy. That way Verd stops trying to play the anarchy card and must work in the interest of the server rather than the self

Kennyyeen

I'd say, I don't like the tags, but i'll relent.

We're not forcing them on anyone

10:04 AM

Two people asked for roles, and they got them

I am aware

So why should we care? It makes them happy

Kennyyeen

then we'll get a democratic approach to it

This is a shitpost discord server, not a republic

I'm not against giving it to them, I'm against trying to make it a general role in the server.

10:05 AM

That's what they were asking

Let everyone get a custom role if they want

10:06 AM

Problem solved

That's trites statement exactly

Rruk is happy

They didn't like that

10:06 AM

Verd was not (edited)

Verd doesn't vibe with the autism label

10:07 AM

I'll replace his role with "Az burger enthusiast"

I believe that'll calm things

10:08 AM

But I believe he'll bring the autism role discussion back up if it's not a general thing like they were asking

10:09 AM

Thats the issue

So what

10:12 AM

It's not doing harm

I made my points already, if it's really necessary then whatever.

30 instances of "not doing harm" later and our server is crammed to the gills with useless shit that just bothers most people to look at

12:24 PM

This isn't the first time verd has piped up with server ideas nobody asked for, really we should just have a secret mod rule to ignore most things he asks for with a smile and polite wave; he has a suggestion literally every three days

12:28 PM

I think a role that says "I've got a social disability- please understand why I act strange" is probably alright, since it makes the holder feel a little more secure and confident when interacting with new people (and saves them a few minutes of self-explanation) but it's not a liability waiver. If we are going to start making neurological disorder pride badges out of our roles instead of encouraging people to interact in a more conducive fashion here, i have to strongly object. (edited)

@Azserfy refer here before you assume I object to the one role already created

12:39 PM

I think that role is fine. I object to any more, and as a matter of principle, most of the stuff verd suggests in general and why

Verd has a lot of bad takes

12:40 PM

But he can get all the roles he wants as long as he doesn't push them onto others (edited)

Good solid nougat of a point

12:42 PM

As another matter of principle, I agree with that particular point even more

12:43 PM

I just dislike that humoring verd today has caused something so divisive

I feel like az making the role without running it by people here is what other people object to more than the reason the role was made Sort of like if it was talked about before action was taken, everyone would be on the same page because really it was the best thing to do despite the ends not justifying the means (edited)

Im not gonna make an announcement over it

(Edited for clarity)

@everyone verdrusk is asperger as fuck and there is a role if you want people to know you are too Have a nice day

Sarcastic little shit Imma bite you

Zalia @ FWA

I feel like az making the role without running it by people here is what other people object to more than the reason the role was made Sort of like if it was talked about before action was taken, everyone would be on the same page because really it was the best thing to do despite the ends not justifying the means (edited)

I don't think i need anyone's approval to give someone a custom role they asked for? Seems inoffensive enough

Zalia @ FWA

Sarcastic little shit Imma bite you

moans

But what I meant is that unlike funny server names or other things that can be changed about the server, creating roles for neurodivergent people is something that can't be undone or revoked without looking like the bad guy. So for things like that everyone else probably deserves to have their say before it's implemented, even if they disagree.

1:07 PM

It's not just a custom role, is the problem. It's like.. a bandaid over a social issue that I personally object to, and I personally object to almost all catering this server gives verd. He asks for stuff every week, from his own personal art class to suggesting that we host a public art erp thing.

And gets ignored each time

1:08 PM

He can have his role

Azserfy

And gets ignored each time

Rightfully, I'll give you that

He has two accounts here that he flips back and forth between, talks about kinks in VC (and tries to get people to joke about them/probes to see if anyone else is into them) that I'm personally not a huge fan of seeing more of in this server, and his main reasons for inviting or wanting to invite new people is thst they draw the fringe srt he likes over him actually knowing theyre a cool person. I have to say, if anyone else had asked for an Asperger's role to make themselves feel more comfortable and confident in VC, I wouldnt have objected. But this is just another of many things verd wants or tries to do and his squeaky wheel already gets more grease than anyone else in this server.

1:11 PM

So yeah it rubs me and apparently other people here that you're humoring him on this one without talking about it first, even if it really is a harmless and probably helpful thing to do

1:12 PM

Cause if you humor verd on just 10% of everything he wants he still gets more preferential treatment than most and I'd hate for him to start asking for more random changes because of that

Hm

1:17 PM

I see your point

1:17 PM

When i first joined he did make me hella uncomfortable

Other than the Chris not giving a shit stuff from the last two weeks

1:18 PM

And the rhodesy incident (still personally bent over that one)

And aymboard

1:18 PM

Turns out there is a lot of drama here lol

And of course the time I un-vibed with geese and tried advocating that this place be run differently

1:19 PM

...I think verd causes most of the uncomfortable situations here

1:20 PM

And I'm not talking about just actual altercations, but also all the times he persistently makes hornybrained choices with his behavior or toes the lines about what's acceptable

1:21 PM

If verd doesn't make you uncomfortable now simply because you know him better then we are different in that regard.

I always love the interesting situation this server always brings, it’s definitely something I’ve never seen as often in any other community (edited)

2:30 PM

My opinions still stay the same, I wouldn’t want my server to have roles like that, that’s stuff that a person can put in their bio and status instead of something like a role picking system

2:31 PM

This is an art server for goodness sakes (edited)

2:35 PM

And honestly it seems like the conversation of “should we allow something like this” really went from a logical perspective to just straight up venting and all that. I personally think it could’ve been as simple as “are we going to allow this thing or not?” instead of “verdrusk is weird”

2:38 PM

And then it also turned into a conversation too of “is this mental disorder even valid” kinda thing, at least that was my impression, and then verdrusk started labeling Fidge and saying that he had mental disorders as an example of his argument when Fidge CLEARLY stated that they didn’t see the point of having this system. In my opinion, this wouldn’t have been as crazy if it was taken a lot more simple, and if the idea was seen as an idea instead of questioning verdrusk as a person and all this other mental health stuff

2:43 PM

This all could’ve been as simple as “we don’t need to implement this system because someone can put it in their bio instead if they wanted too, I don’t think we’d need roles for that” “Oh, but I still think you should make roles for this? Like it would be easier if I could see a persons mental disorder because I feel like it would make better connections and all that” “Yeah but, that’s what bios could be for, I don’t think we need a system like this in our server, especially if it seems like not too many people want it, but we could hold a vote to see if people would find it useful or not”

2:44 PM

I felt like this was a situation taken very personally, when it could’ve been resolved a lot more logically

How about we ban geese and make verdrusk the group owner

haha, NOT what i said but alright

3:07 PM

it shall solve ALL THE problems of course-

Azserfy

Turns out there is a lot of drama here lol

. _.

I personally wouldn't be the most stoked with the Asberger role sticking around, something like an agreed upon "Socially Awkward

"-esque role would fulfill that role without the negative context of assigning mental illness to people. Not to mention people would generally feel a lot more comfortable with that role I think and be willing to assign it to themselves? I dunno, I am not the most familiar with everyone, just don't personally like the vibes us goofy little furballs assigning mental illness labels.

3:53 PM

Also hi!! Hope everyone is having a good monday. <:

I think I've rooted it out. I can agree on roles that are like "ask me more about myself" and "social encumbrance" but there's a lot of identifiers underlying that that are like. I wouldn't click a transgender role because I'm not transgender, and anybody who is transgender probably has that outlined in their bio already or just wants to be referred to by the one gender.

4:17 PM

It doesn't feel like our responsibility to figure out which pizza slice you are and which pizza slices you'll like the most based on typography, since other points of similarity might be race (look at "Joy Ride"; it absolutely is) and location. I'm not making a slippery slope argument as much as a "what is our responsibility" argument.

Look I feel bad for venting about verdrusk in the middle of this lol Feel free to tell me off for making it personal But he's like I am just fed up with him really It's really hard to view the situation objectively without adding on the additional context from his behavior as a whole when you've seen enough of it

4:20 PM

Like I said Anyone else, I'd be like "yeah this role seems like something this individual could use" It's just the fact that it's another verd suggestion and and people are jumping in support of it that I want to push back on more roles like that

4:20 PM

Y'all seem to have the same or similar ideas to me on gender and sex and neurodivergent roles and other non-art related stuff that I do tho

4:21 PM

Also good morning geese thanks for restarting the convo outside the thread I made to contain the convo

I'm sorry q-q

Zalia @ FWA

Also good morning geese thanks for restarting the convo outside the thread I made to contain the convo

It was a MISTAKE aaaa

You mean well, you're just geese

4:23 PM

Being green is a disability that deserves a warning role to warn users who might interact with us

I'd get my own disability role but I think I already have a role that says "Geese"

:c Tagged as dangerous to anyone with eyes

(unlock anytime, I just think this argument is stupid and lasted too long)

Both sides in the argument aren't willing to give up their stance, so it's going to be like this forever

4:59 PM

Verdrusk is not changing his opinion on the matter, and ANY attempt to conversate is only opening discussions about mental disabilities as a whole (edited)

it's bad for the server

Verd is verd and rruk is a downright victim status snowflake

5:06 PM

I'll admit my one sentence was not given the context it needed to come across as lighthearted

Verd isn't listening to anyone rn

5:06 PM

That means deescalate and shut him down

5:06 PM

This server doesn't need drama

But I feel like rruk's response to me is just downright toxic That's the antithesis to my entire worldview when it comes to special little identity status on the internet or life in general

5:07 PM

I'm a little butthurt

5:07 PM

When someone says "I will not be bullied!" That's just signalling to The Pack to cancel someone they don't like

Zalia @ FWA

I'm a little butthurt

all the more reason to lock the channel and let it simmer down

Keep it professional, letting it get personal will make things worse

A declaration that a calm discussion will not be carried out and we will be turning to tribalism and emotional manipulation tactics now

Our jobs are to stop drama, and make those decisions based on a simple suggestion

Zalia @ FWA

A declaration that a calm discussion will not be carried out and we will be turning to tribalism and emotional manipulation tactics now

you're part of the drama problem zalia

Verd and Rruk shouldn't have the power to argue this so heavily

5:08 PM

They aren't mods

Azserfy

you're part of the drama problem zalia

I'm aware and actively avoiding taking part at the moment

5:09 PM

let it die

I appreciate the bite on the neck any time I make things worse

those are love bites I hope you understand

I'm always the one to fight loudly in any situation where I care about things, which is why I frown at geese so often

5:10 PM

That being said That being SAID no other discord server I've had the pleasure of "managing" or helping to manage has ever had little spats like this because the owner/face of that server is always decidedly committed to things and makes their stance on their vision for the server known

5:12 PM

So in my extremily humble opinion Making a server ideas channel open for more than just "ugh we need a voice chat text to use the music bot in" is already asking for trouble. some kinds of people take it as an invitation to try and get the server to turn into a sort of echo chamber safe space for their camp

Judging by how Blue and Az gave them what they want last night, and they still wanted more, means they aren't up for compromise, and the fact that after Blue and I stopped they just spent 20 minutes echo chambering in the server ideas chat

5:15 PM

It means they're wanting all the special treatment

5:15 PM

Verd is being a Snowflake about this, and Rruk is under the idea of social justice, when it's misguided

5:17 PM

We're mods, de-escalate, the server ideas chat should be for a simple request, where we can discuss it here, everyone together and either give a simple yes or no with a reasoning to the said suggester in the suggestions channel

5:18 PM

They shouldn't have the ability to pressure mods so heavily with argument, especially considering they aren't going to listen to anything you have to say

Social justice is usually misguided when on the internet where things really don't matter that much and the stakes are people getting their feelings hurt

What's the consensus

5:19 PM

I assume no one likes the idea

5:19 PM

@deleted-role

5:20 PM

Yay or nay on autism being a general role

5:20 PM

You don't have to give your reasons, just yay or nay

5:21 PM

What's done is done, we can't revoke the personalized role without a lot of backlash, but we can still be mods about it and just shut it down

Oh Here in the safety of the mod channel, I'm gonna be VERY ADAMANT about this There is no way we can allow mental disability or gender identity to have the same importance here as something like what kind of artistic medium you use the most. This isn't a meet and greet or someplace to ID allies or use a tag as an excuse for awkward behavior. But I wholehardedly support giving people like verd a role if they want it. If they want a hat to wear and they ask nicely we'd only be helping them be more confident and feel welcome.

seconded

That's 3 nays

Nah

Like someone else said, the intent behind verd's initial idea was very good. The way it was phrased, however, and the way other people jumped onto it and started victim blaming or assigning tribes was downright toxic. Dangling snowflake status over people turns them into hungry sharks (excuse the racism) for a bite of their own little piece of validation. (edited)

@Kennyyeen @Kennyyeen @not the green thing

Kenny getting slapped twice lol

I meant to ping Kink

(haha)

@Kink (fat geese)

But also I'd move to... not remove the roles from verd and others if we all decide we hate the idea of enabling neurodivergent pride. Let them have it. It's clear verd is self aware of his own faults (as we all hopefully are or want to be) and wants to have an easier time interacting and making friends. And I do not hate verd. He genuinely likes this place and has good intentions.

5:27 PM

I hate enabling people pulling apart into different tribes but on a person by person basis I think giving people an easier time fitting in in a scary place like this is very good.

Agreed on moving, none of us are licensed psychologists and it is easy to drive yourself nuts over imagining people's intentions and assuming malice. Discussions are in order it seems, not inaction and complaints. I think. o:

I don't mean to sound rude but I'm rather disappointed with how this was handled, we can't let the chain of command die like that, and many mods, including myself, took it personal, furthering the debate, and adding fuel to the drama, that's not our job, our job is to de-escalate and stop drama. You can let personal opinions hinder the ability to your job

^

Essentially, leave the squabbles to this channel, and don't make this a public display

Oh I wasn't even going to TOUCH the fact that self-diagnosing "neurodivergent " is like straight up wrong most of the time I was just gonna leave all that under the table and assume that if someone says they have autism then they really do and didn't just catch a tik tok tic

never take shit personally when someone's not taking it in your yard

Az I'm sorry but you didn't help this at all

5:30 PM

In fact you were kind of the biggest perpetuator (edited)

>taking a shit in your yard

You broke chain of command and took actions without consulting

5:31 PM

Which further perpetuated the drama (edited)

the conversation is closed isn't it When the mods themselves kept adding fuel to it while saying it had to end

5:32 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'd be careful of how much schooling you dole out here, trite, that was me just a short while ago making people upset as I tried to tell them how to properly run this place

5:32 PM

Constructive criticism where it's due

I said you were free to open it back up I do think it's a terrible idea but I won't give you shit for it

We really should use this channel more and I think it's okay to have this secret backroom to talk about shit even if geese feels like it's icky to shadow government the art server (edited)

I know this isn't the most professional server, but it just rubs me the wrong way to know a mod can be pressured into doing things without consulting other mods

okay so

5:33 PM

are you talking about me giving custom roles or me locking the thread

5:33 PM

because I am genuinely convinced neither of those were bad decisions

Custom roles, especially considering they were pushing for a general role

Almost every mod here agrees the verd can have his role

(I saw the custom roles gave as a good move too, and az explained it as such. The drama that spooled up afterwards is almost irrelevant to az's choice and why he did it)

I don't agree with it, but I agree it would be a shit storm to remove it

The pressure came afterwards not to get what they wanted but to contest the fact that mods didn't unanimously enable their neurodivergent pride

Our job isn't to stir things up, it already happened, he can be happy with his custom role, just don't indulge this more

Did I?

Did you what

indulge more

5:37 PM

I might have missed something or said something clumsy and I apologize

5:37 PM

but right now I don't see how I was the main perpetrator of the incident

Hey all

Hey geese

There is an event happening rn

sorry you're caught up in this geese (edited)

No, that was Blue arguing and me doing a shit job at de-escalating, especially considering Verd wasn't listening to anything Blue or I had to say

No I mean I'm in arms about "hey everybody stop this rn rn" but at the same time can you wait until there's not an event x -x

5:39 PM

Then I can help defuse

5:39 PM

And like, we can go through things

i hope a dick goes through you

o -o

a large one

Trite

Yay or nay on autism being a general role

Nay

I kinda hope that too ngl, pray for me

I can join the event, but I can't do drawpile, I gotta do that comm for Zalia

I gotcha geese but rn I think it's mostly mod on mod action The actual argument/discussion in public is dead

fat and broad dick in geese's fat butt

5 for nay, 2 undecided

Trite

I can join the event, but I can't do drawpile, I gotta do that comm for Zalia

Woah :o Don't miss drawpile for that

Geese while you're here

5:40 PM

Yay or nay

5:40 PM

General autism role

Nay btw if I didn't vote already

I got you

5:40 PM

Nw

I personally don't care, I'm not on the spectrum so I feel weird about having an opinion, people do be people

that's a good take tbh

5:41 PM

but the vote is in

5 for nay, 1 doesn't care, one undecided

5:42 PM

I think Blue is asleep

not the green thing

I kinda hope that too ngl, pray for me

uwu

I have a foot on the spectrum myself

5:43 PM

won't tell you which

5:44 PM

and I certainly don't want a role unless that role is "resident dumbfuck" and pins me to the top of the server member list

Same

I can park on handicapped spots almost anywhere in the world

5:45 PM

I don't need a disability card

5:45 PM

I only need to show my french passport

Frogshark

Az has sharktism

Az is just a frog with delusions of grandure

5:52 PM

He thinks he is a shark

5:52 PM

Take your meds little man

5:52 PM

Wake up

Snoring so loud, wake up

i'm actually a snivy with a birth defect

5:53 PM

God his delusion has peaked

Trite

I think Blue is asleep

I say nay

6 for nay, 1 for not caring

6:01 PM

Cool, it's not happening then

6:01 PM

That settles it

Wow, democracy works sometimes

Az drawing more Pokemon az is my favorite arc of this anime

Not until we get NosepAz. Then it will be peak

I've recently learned that my favorite Pokemon is called zyguard

6:05 PM

Or of course zacian

6:06 PM

Maybe zacian first on matter of principle and zyguard as a good close second for just how cool it is

6:06 PM

I think az should convince me to draw my sona as one or both just for kicks

Zalia @ FWA

Maybe zacian first on matter of principle and zyguard as a good close second for just how cool it is

Zygarde is super cool, just a shame I hate gen 6. :c

Garde*

6:09 PM

I'm blessed with not actually being a very good Pokemon fan and only retroactively taking a liking to some of them once I'm past the age that I would enjoy the games while being well into my career as an artist where I'd have an experienced eye to appreciate the designs

I relapsed after dropping partway through gen 5, returned with gen 8 (as rough of a return as that was) and been liking it, despite the current series' issues!! Pokemon character design is honestly goals tbh (edited)

Grovyle

6:40 PM

Because he looks like me

Shroomish Because he looks like you

Okay I'm really disappointed

7:28 PM

I want to point out again that we're the admin team in a place observing anarchy, the only thing extra we're really supposed to be doing is kicking that guy out when everyone is asking that that guy be kicked out, or making the text chat that someone suggests-- it's not democracy as much as it is just playing with things that people like

7:29 PM

Our MAIN goal is to keep everyone happy. If everyone can't use a soundboard, we should take the responsibility as the admins to then also not use it not because we CAN'T but because it's unfair if we then do. Things like that.

7:30 PM

That also said, it's not our jobs to decide what people can and can't talk about or lock servers or make our own tiny vote on what everyone is allowed to do, it's our jobs to defuse and calm things down. I need to put this forward because there were a lot of strong emotions passed around today:

7:31 PM

Your opinion is dumb. You need to be able to change your mind. If all your friends are jumping off a bridge, turns out, it's probably the best idea to jump off the bridge, why would that person who respect the FUCK out of jump off a bridge if there wasn't a good reason?

7:33 PM

Now I understand defusing by being like "hey you two can't work it out so we're done here" but WE WERE ALSO ONE OF THE VOICES. There was a conversation and the mods dogpiled the topic and then ultimately used authority (which IS NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE) to tell them that it was over, like we were a bad parent.

7:34 PM

We're not deciding things for other people. We're not supposed to get heated over anything, let other people get heated first, talk things through. The only unreasonable thing that starts that downhill spiral is making a person's opinion out to be incredulous and insane.

7:34 PM

https://discord.com/channels/888970103654350949/1063212447256825976/1153129917932908625

7:35 PM

This shit hurts people's feelings.

7:36 PM

The standard in the moderators is SO MUCH HIGHER, understand, but it's necessary. Really think about how you're engaging drama, because if one of you starts the downwards spiral, the entire server looks toxic.

True, there are things we could've do better

7:37 PM

I believe everyone understands that much

No I'm like, I might downsize the mod staff because of this.

7:44 PM

I'm going back to the too-many-cooks thing. There are a lot of us and I don't actually like how we're not only an echo chamber but then we got onto that topic in server ideas super toxicly. And then, like, brought the topic here anyway, locked the original one, and pressed on it even during an event?

7:45 PM

Like I revitalized it this morning because I had a concise thought, looking back and seeing how it sort of spiraled into ad hominem oblivion. My giant fuck-up was not putting it in the... extra chat, thing, the pop-out, whatever those are called.

My thought process is that we should have a vote system for every server suggestion, because right now it feels like it's sorta like a "let me ask the creator if i can have this thing" system

7:48 PM

And the vote system to should be public, because then it's not just the moderators determining everything, i also agreed it wasn't a good idea just to hold a vote here

7:49 PM

If enough people want the suggestion, they press the check emoji! If not, then it won't happen!

7:49 PM

Sorta like something like this

2

I think we are getting too big for everything to be chaos all the time. It makes keeping the peace hard

That'll give the people more power-

I'm gonna stand by chaos, there were just a lot of us with loud opinions who were actively not listening. . _.

Its like fighting against the stream, and not everyone gets heard

Kink (fat geese)

Sorta like something like this

I also agree with this system, it's just very... drab. And I talk about things being very complicated.

I see~ I'm just thinking back to my old server where i had a bot, and it did that exact thing

7:51 PM

Because most suggestions are a yes or no thing

7:51 PM

And if enough people voted for it, and then as the creator you didn't like the suggestion, you can talk about why you cannot do it

7:52 PM

Simple as that

7:53 PM

This thing would've been resolved very quickly personally I think if the mods didn't slice into the thing so quickly

7:53 PM

Like I wanted to hear Missle's input, Fidge's input, Rruk's input, everyone's input first

7:54 PM

In situations like that, it can literally be a simple yes or no question

7:54 PM

not a "verdrusk is dum and bad, and also im nerotypical and your autistic da da da" situation

7:55 PM

We can talk AFTER the vote has happened, after enough people have clicked yes or no

7:56 PM

In my opinion it's the simplest way to get everyone's opinions asap without so much damn interference and argument first

7:58 PM

Chaos is fun, but like I want resonable chaos too

I'll say what I usually say, which is that geese's commitment to chaos and anarchy really just follows the same basic points that similar sentiments of governance in the real world often do- they fall apart when there are actual people requiring governance. I think it's a bad way to lead any group to just take your hands off things and be noncommittal

8:01 PM

Half of the server-oriented drama that happens here is And I'm sure of it now Because geese doesn't want to or won't let us make any actual form of internal administration outside a mod channel to talk privately

8:02 PM

I am no longer pushing back against this decision, because it's what geese wants, but I'm saying that it's only natural that when we embrace chaos and abstain from being firm about how we respond to stuff in this community, shit like this is just gonna keep coming up (edited)

8:04 PM

Geese is blaming us for how this was handled but the way I see it we each at least tried to handle it, we just didn't have any central dogma uniting us in how we act when a situation comes up.

8:05 PM

When the team doesn't work you don't cut members. You practice teamwork. Anarchy actually sucks ass in practice.

Okay, let me do a little recap so you know what I'm specifically miffed about.

Yuh o.o

Okay actually

8:17 PM

The longer I dive down this hole the worse it makes me feel

Maybe want to call and talk a bit? I got off work relatively early today and always find it easier to voice opinions over voice.

Let's not talk about it then

8:19 PM

Oop Exactly the opposite of what pure said lol

No, this is important to talk about

I don't want you to feel worse I'm just an advocate for organization

8:20 PM

And your trauma response of "yo that wasn't chill we need to be okay with chaos but not stir it up" seems unproductive in light of the recent server-ideas discussion

Azserfy immediately responded with disappointment, loudly, to a reasonable request that needed some explanation on why we weren't doing it. His response was a disappointed face and something approximately "Sorry but fuck that" (edited)

Pure

Not until we get NosepAz. Then it will be peak

Trite put in intermittently how unnecessary a thing like that was, arguing at an angle since the topic shifted from it being a role thing everybody partook in to Verd talking about being comfortable being publically socially disabled.

8:22 PM

Zalia pot-stirred and needled people from the side, making jokes about how obvious the opposition's points were insane and then getting offended when people got offended, like a back-and-forth "they started it!" even though Zalia started it.

8:23 PM

I was dying of no sleep and said the wrong things a lot, then jumpstarted the whole discussion again like an amateur. Wrong place, wrong thoughts, wrong timing.

When you take into mind that verd is always coming out of pocket with stuff like this, az's response sounds unprofessional but not entirely uncalled for Frankly I think verd should have just made a direct request for the thing he wanted (that we would have given him) instead of phrasing it how he did where he did like he usually does with everything as if it's a great and amazing huge change to make to the server that nobody asked for or needs

not the green thing

Zalia pot-stirred and needled people from the side, making jokes about how obvious the opposition's points were insane and then getting offended when people got offended, like a back-and-forth "they started it!" even though Zalia started it.

I'll take this sitting down and in full agreement. It's hard to not respond in kind to how folks sometimes hold a discussion

Kink posted several-paragraph-long reasonable points that I enjoyed, good on him, but they came out at another askew angle-- when he posted them, they weren't exactly what people were arguing at that moment.

not the green thing

Azserfy immediately responded with disappointment, loudly, to a reasonable request that needed some explanation on why we weren't doing it. His response was a disappointed face and something approximately "Sorry but fuck that" (edited)

that's a horror face. I had anticipated the upcoming shitstorm. Probably was a bad way to react, i'll give you that.

Zalia @ FWA

When you take into mind that verd is always coming out of pocket with stuff like this, az's response sounds unprofessional but not entirely uncalled for Frankly I think verd should have just made a direct request for the thing he wanted (that we would have given him) instead of phrasing it how he did where he did like he usually does with everything as if it's a great and amazing huge change to make to the server that nobody asked for or needs

He was asking for it. He's a somebody.

not the green thing

I was dying of no sleep and said the wrong things a lot, then jumpstarted the whole discussion again like an amateur. Wrong place, wrong thoughts, wrong timing.

There is a lot of stream of consciousness vibes going on here, and it might be best to set aside current issues from what we do to resolve it? People low-key high-key heated and an off temperature oven doesn't make good bread.

YEAH

8:26 PM

Yeah

Pure

There is a lot of stream of consciousness vibes going on here, and it might be best to set aside current issues from what we do to resolve it? People low-key high-key heated and an off temperature oven doesn't make good bread.

people don't make good bread, I found out you get much better results using flour

Azserfy

people don't make good bread, I found out you get much better results using flour

Blood can be used to replace eggs, try that next time.

Pure

There is a lot of stream of consciousness vibes going on here, and it might be best to set aside current issues from what we do to resolve it? People low-key high-key heated and an off temperature oven doesn't make good bread.

this is wise

8:28 PM

Pure speaks with the wisdom of a thousand groundhogs. His word must be listened and accepted into our hearts

My thought is dowsizing the staff, or outline the expectations on conversations like that in the future.

Might also not be a bad idea if you can avoid stirring more drama through it

Just, it shouldn't be an ordeal. We can converse, and nobody's insane until we're actively getting offended.

May I bring a humble request to the panel of fools? We embrace chaos and if someone asks for a silly role, they can have it, even if it's a gender tag or something we feel is useless. But if it's in #server-discussion , we take it as serious consideration and raise a vote of some sort HERE before taking action? I think I heard a couple admins voice dissatisfaction because they thought az got pressured into doing something and did it without seeing if anyone else had thoughts about it. This will prevent a multi-user argument in the suggestions channel as people try to back up and defend their idea, and keep the distinction between a request and an idea for the server as a whole clear. Responses in #server-discussion can simply be "let's take that into consideration and see how well that will work"

not the green thing

My thought is dowsizing the staff, or outline the expectations on conversations like that in the future.

If you're going to downsize the staff, i'd be willing to be pulled off of it

I think the best way to keep this from repeating is to follow a guide to how we approach suggestions, so we aren't each responding in our individual ways and inviting other server members to attack or debate that

8:34 PM

(man I don't think we need to downsize staff. The cooks spoiling the broth sentiment is not rational. More admins will just make running the events easier, and a cleaner means of operation with "serious business" like server suggestions will easily fix occurrences like today.) (edited)

not the green thing

My thought is dowsizing the staff, or outline the expectations on conversations like that in the future.

Sounds retaliatory in this context, again, might be best to give a bit of time before genuinely spitballing.

That is how it would come out right now

There's only seven staff. That's a good number to have someone available to "host" the three different drawpile sessions each week. Downsizing won't fix all seven of us not being on the same page about how we should act

if anything, wouldn't it knock some of the, uh

8:36 PM

"problematic people"

8:36 PM

off the higher standard for admin?

8:38 PM

the only "mod abuse" that really stemmed from admin rights and not just people writing text was on me

To be sure, I don't know that I need any staff either? We have the three events and so far I'm kind of moderating all of them. It'd be cool to have somebody in Europe, JUST IN CASE, but it feels unnecessary.

If that's how you feel

ultimately you're the server owner yeah

not the green thing

To be sure, I don't know that I need any staff either? We have the three events and so far I'm kind of moderating all of them. It'd be cool to have somebody in Europe, JUST IN CASE, but it feels unnecessary.

I can't even begin to tell you how terribly that'll go, but if its how you feel.

Kennyyeen

I can't even begin to tell you how terribly that'll go, but if its how you feel.

Completely Elon musking the server MIGHT be a bit excessive

I at least need moderator applications. There are definitely no rules, but what I've quickly learned is that there are a LOT of rules when you're a moderator.

you can't have a server with no rules, Geese That simply doesn't work

8:44 PM

take for instance the rhodesy situation. It would have warranted mod intervention even if rhodesy hadn't been a mod

8:45 PM

the "don't be a dick" rule must exist even if implied to have a server people want to be in

If I may, I like the idea of major changes going through votes. Things that deserve those votes go in server ideas. I also like the idea of flexibly being able to lock servers or assign roles in ways that don't require excessive public outreach. If someone PMs requesting a custom role or there is drama that needs to chill, maybe a 3 moderator rule? Like, write in here, get two more agrees and you are good? Flexible enough to do relatively quickly and low-stakes enough to be something that can be resolved later should the need arise?

Last time I waited for a consensus before deleting an offending message in this server I bitterly regretted it. There needs to be some emergency response option

This server is well into over a few hundred members. As much I'd like to believe in anarchy system and no need for admins, but there has to be at least some structure. We're at the point that its necessary

Anarchy doesn't mean no rules

8:47 PM

it means no authority, but there are still rules that need to be self enforced

Its a lack of a structuring body by the rules of chaos

anarchy doesn't mean chaos

8:48 PM

the anarchist movement was about making self regulating communities, it never meant "loot stuff and burn cars"

anarchy literally means a state of disorder

We are arguing dumb stuff again.

Yes we are

8:48 PM

its off topic

Kennyyeen

anarchy literally means a state of disorder

UwU

8:49 PM

I did my research

8:49 PM

I'm very into politics

8:49 PM

Anarchy is in fact very based as a concept

8:50 PM

I highly suggest reading up the wiki page, it's super interesting

Rather than discussing socio-economic structures, we should see what best balances fun and comfort. This is supposed to be fun, fun also doesn't happen if people are uncomfortable.

>implying discussing socio-economic structures isn't fun

It's not a political debate, its a question about moving forwards in how we the moderator team can prevent an issue like this in the future

8:51 PM

I agree a vote syystem would be healthy for the server

8:52 PM

There are use cases of immediate response but not all of them are that

Proposition 1: If you want to pull away or feel like it would be best to drop something, do it. Don't announce it (it antagonizes people and fuels the argument), and most certainly don't announce it and remain in the conversation. I think it would prevent a bunch of escalation.

8:52 PM

Just vanish like a ghost.

8:53 PM

Mute the channel, forget about it for an hour or two.

8:53 PM

It's actually better for you

8:53 PM

because doing this is hurting yourself for no reason

I feel we can all agree that, 1) Major decisions deserve a server-wide vote. 2) Minor decisions should be discussed and agreed upon in this chat to an extent. 3) A system in place to allow for dire responses if it calls for it. Does that sound right? We can better define the difference between Major, Minor, and Dire situations later.

8:54 PM

Unless I am big wrong uwu

Sounds right to me

Proposition 2 (and i'm waiting for your input here): put a 2 hours cooldown on server-ideas, so people can only make one post. Further discussion happens in threads.

8:56 PM

People joining in in the discussion couldn't even see the initial suggestion by Verdrusk, just a bunch of people fighting and arguing about mental health.

I think thats also a good choice. Lets everyone get the full image without digging through two hours of debate

This way it's easier to keep a cool head, and the proposition itself doesn't get buried and forgotten (edited)

I think some tools and reformatting like that, that assist in clarity and organization would be helpful not just for staff, but also the users

Pure

I feel we can all agree that, 1) Major decisions deserve a server-wide vote. 2) Minor decisions should be discussed and agreed upon in this chat to an extent. 3) A system in place to allow for dire responses if it calls for it. Does that sound right? We can better define the difference between Major, Minor, and Dire situations later.

2nded

Azserfy

Proposition 2 (and i'm waiting for your input here): put a 2 hours cooldown on server-ideas, so people can only make one post. Further discussion happens in threads.

2nded

no kenny seconded first

8:59 PM

you thirded

3rded if I may be so bold as to forge extra votes

Ha

4thed even

I will also state that requests should be taken with a level of respect from both parties. Not just in hearing out what they want, but for them to not get defensive if we say no.

9:01 PM

Both sides have to have the respect to listen

Azserfy

Proposition 2 (and i'm waiting for your input here): put a 2 hours cooldown on server-ideas, so people can only make one post. Further discussion happens in threads.

Actually I do really like that suggestion

original idea do not steal

EXCEPT I am going to make a giant post here and pin it about the mission statements for this server.

Kennyyeen

I will also state that requests should be taken with a level of respect from both parties. Not just in hearing out what they want, but for them to not get defensive if we say no.

I would say whatever ruleset we decide on should be trasparently displayed in chat, that way there is an understanding

not the green thing

EXCEPT I am going to make a giant post here and pin it about the mission statements for this server.

uwu

Just, re-immerse everybody on the expectations here.

Azserfy

Proposition 2 (and i'm waiting for your input here): put a 2 hours cooldown on server-ideas, so people can only make one post. Further discussion happens in threads.

I feel at that point too, it can become a forum channel

Soon. Hanging out with Phoneme. Guys gotta cool ye jets.

But I just got this jet

Geese you're the one who were speaking of firing all the mods in the server UwU

Easier to organize that way, and lets us archive and clean up the current server ideas channel

Wait

not the green thing

EXCEPT I am going to make a giant post here and pin it about the mission statements for this server.

Pin it here in mod channel?

9:06 PM

Or in the info channel for everyone

9:06 PM

Because imo that's too much info for new people

I'll add it quietly to the info channel

9:06 PM

But I'm gonna write and pin it here

Permission to request you let us editorialize it here first

9:08 PM

I have no problem reading a geesepost but the info channel should have it boiled down to a staggering degree

I also wanna snifftest the text wall

>mission statement overview >rules >"things to keep in mind" >list of pingable admins = A good info channel (edited)

Also, permission to restructure the server idea channel into a forum channel like oc references and archive the current one after a weeks time has passed?

9:11 PM

It a lot easier to organize and follow what people want

Actual forum channels are a hassle and make each post feel like something that is meant to be read much later and commented on, even if it's been implemented or not already. Just making a text channel and an obvious thread created after each message is more intuitive

9:13 PM

Making an actual forum channels only works if you remove posts after they've been used, but then that means nobody knows what's been suggested before

Zalia @ FWA

Because imo that's too much info for new people

That's what the admins are for they UNDERSTAND and bring up these principles in conversation when an issue arises, for members who haven't seen or remembered those principles themselves

9:13 PM

Everyone here based their opinions on the whole topic from their own experiences without considering the main rules we use to determine or think about things here (including myself haha)

Mind, discord servers don't usually have a whole mission statement. This is a big operation here and kinda has to be treated like a company

That's where the discussion would be focused on, and the admins would understand those rules and compare it with the suggestion, allowing the members who probably DON"T remember the rules to consider it

Kink (fat geese)

That's what the admins are for they UNDERSTAND and bring up these principles in conversation when an issue arises, for members who haven't seen or remembered those principles themselves

Clarification: Geese's way of typing it might be too much for new people

9:15 PM

Geese types more than even I do I've chatted with him

9:15 PM

confirmed

Zalia @ FWA

Clarification: Geese's way of typing it might be too much for new people

Excuse me, what does, "Don't act like a little sussy wussy baby goblin man" entail???

He told me that these are the two most important rules

(geese has never said sussy)

(he said bussy)

Zalia @ FWA

(geese has never said sussy)

I have seent it

Which means that in this situation with Verdrusk's suggestion, we would've considered it from those two points

Pure

I have seent it

My opinion of geese +200%

At least that's how i see it, but it's up to Geese to make his own guidelines

9:17 PM

I'll have to wait and see

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

God that's another thing I'm passionate about and I appreciate people's help in managing how I express it I absolutely loath hearing people say "aww my art isn't good enough" or "my art is bad compared to xyz's, I don't even want to practice near them" like I loath a person who self-pities about their alcoholism while actively hitting the bottle (edited)

9:20 PM

I think I've gone overboard with the fake-aggression when people show up here and say "man everyone here is so much better than me I don't think I can do drawpile im not that good"

9:21 PM

Cause I used to be like that and every day you exist under that mindset you regress two days in art talent and confidence and long term operation under that mode leads to widespread dysphoria, lack of ambition in other areas of your life, and ultimately a drastic cut in your capacity for creative thought.

9:23 PM

So I am 100% on board with this server existing to insidiously trick people into becoming better at (and more confident) in their art, from the casual doodler who aspires yet lacks the skill to the established starving artist who is blind to the quality of their work due to the numbness of burnout and follower frustration. I just lack the language to act on that drive in the proper way.

Alright alcoholics listen up

10:52 PM

Just kidding writing now

i've been sober for a full 36 hours

10:55 PM

>:(

Naw

he called my bluff (edited)

11:07 PM

:c

Okay so it took me a bit to gather the gumption to tell y'all off or something but realistically

11:10 PM

I always leave this chat feeling confident that whatever "vision" I have here is gonna get followed, but that idea is insidious in that it tracks poorly. Drama clean-up and avoidance is complicated. This shit is WILD. It's also hard.

11:11 PM

Though against my credit, we all managed to have wildly opposing viewpoints and drastic changes in temperament when cosndiering the idea today, something that might've even gone smoother if we had somebody who was on Verdrusk's side. Which, like, later on in the conversation, I felt myself starting to be from how overbearing everyone was being. Man sort of held his own against a storm of angry moderators, which then hard-stopped the conversation from their own hubris.

11:12 PM

SO I THINK, what we need to do, is just, define what this job is. Which is almost nothing.

Kink (fat geese)

He told me that these are the two most important rules

It's pretty much just this.

11:12 PM

And, the one rule, no drama.

which then hard-stopped the conversation from their own hubris.

uh.

11:14 PM

I was the one who locked the channel, and I wasn't part of the big debate. I had bailed a while prior.

I could explain the pillars of good discussion and avoidance of bad points and how to negate ad hominem or circular reasoning or non-sequitur, but realistically we need to be on the same point about how we feel about the server. We all knew that the new list of roles wasn't aligned with the server ideals, but we were throwing random red yarn everywhere.

Azserfy

I was the one who locked the channel, and I wasn't part of the big debate. I had bailed a while prior.

Even worse; you're still an admin acting as a parent to people who it's not your job to parent.

I just wanted to cut the toxic arguing that kept going with everyone repeating the same points on a loop and ignoring the others

11:15 PM

It would still be going by now (edited)

Which was a team of the moderation ganging up on a small group of people trying to make opposite points, thus leaving the only people who could talk the one viewpoint.

Your assumption that it was hubris is inaccurate and to be frank a little hurtful

You were the first person to respond to Verdrusk's original point and the very first thing you did was make it dramatic.

11:17 PM

I do feel mean by saying this, but I think hubris is the right word.

In any case, we're the moderation staff so it's our job to run the server in a specific light. I don't have any great examples, but at some point assume that we're running a politics channel instead of art. The ideal is a lack of bias, we're not running a commodity that shares our viewpoints. There should be a right-wing channel just as much as a left-wing. The thing we aspire to is that it stays calm and we keep it level. Just because you don't believe in any of the slander the right-wing channel starts conspiring doesn't mean it's your job to prevent them from having those thoughts, your viewpoint needs to align with the goal of the server. It's also why I analyzed in-depth the whole NSFL+ channel so long ago. We have a certain amount of hard-rules that we care about following down to the letter, and everything else is suggestions to make it easier to not break the hard-rules. The "suggestions" are listed in the Rules section in #information. The hard rules are just the mission statements and the entry agreement: 1. No drama. 2. Our goal is to localize a sort of peer pressure to draw more and get art practice for people who don't tend to practice their art/skills when given the time/opportunity. 3. The community is dedicated to refining up-and-coming artists' styles (get new people into art) and reinforce already concrete ones (get art veterans even better). (edited)

Verd is just verd and him continuing to be verd to the point that we all uncontrollably roll our eyes shouldn't be seen as a failure on our part Everyone deserves to be treated the same but pretty much everyone is on the same page that verd is pretty consistently a bit much to handle or tolerate It's doable but wears on you

Even if you don't agree with those sentiments, those are the things you uphold when doing anything as an admin. If something is infringing on somebody else's motivation to draw, or it's being dramatic, or it's toxic advice, get the fuck rid of it. Everything is dedicated to those points, those are the "king."

11:30 PM

If you have any thoughts on how those things are run and where they belong, like, we can talk about that. But every other opinion everyone has, even myself, is going to be treated like another innocent person askin for something in #server-discussion. Even the things with making it a forum, I think someone should post there and ask if that's a better way to handle it.

11:32 PM

I going to eventually, because I think we absolutely handled that entire thing in poor taste. We shouldn't be policing people until they're offensive, and Verdrusk honestly wasn't being offensive until we dug into it. Saying "Verd is Verd" is actually super toxic, like work around him, sure, but at least he's contributing and he's made some very good points. I just don't see the points he's making contributing to the mission statements above, and if enough people then agree with him and find the role selection to help motivate them to stick around for our art-peer-pressure, then we're doing that suggestion regardless of individual bias.

11:34 PM

It's a hard medium to find, but if there's something extra we do that even motivates two people to draw, it's worth doing. We just have to meter that behind figuring out how many people any given suggestion will actually de-motivate, because if it's the same number or more, it's not worth it. Dousing for opinions only gets to exist between those two points, sort of.

11:35 PM

AND EVEN THEN it's so fucking hard to canvas on this server? Like the amount that I want to make Group B so goddamn inclusive to everyone's time zones, man-- it's just impossible, lest I go through and interview individual people on a one-on-one basis.

11:37 PM

Ideally there's a better system for everything, but there just isn't. I know I'm trying to keep the staff here on a tighter leash in a weirder and more specific system than most other servers are, pretty much blatantly ALL OF THEM, but I think that's just... showing how nice this community is. It IS a nice community, and we handle things very well-- like, drama stuff is so out of the ordinary and every time even something small happens, we handle it super fast and it only gets blown out of proportion because of how strange it is even as a concept in these walls.

11:38 PM

Like, it's super nice, and I like having y'all as my staff, just. We gotta calm down. Our opinions aren't what run this server.

not the green thing

Though against my credit, we all managed to have wildly opposing viewpoints and drastic changes in temperament when cosndiering the idea today, something that might've even gone smoother if we had somebody who was on Verdrusk's side. Which, like, later on in the conversation, I felt myself starting to be from how overbearing everyone was being. Man sort of held his own against a storm of angry moderators, which then hard-stopped the conversation from their own hubris.

Did I not side with them early on to figure out what they wanted?

Blue, you deserve a medal for your contributions honestly. You were de-escalating all the way through. . -.

I don't think that response is warranted

11:41 PM

I still acted against the interest of the other admins to try and bring things to a simmer, but thats also not helpful to the people in here

11:41 PM

I stepped out of line too

I dunno man, even I was being burgeoning in there. Wrong place/time/words seems to be my mainstay.

11:43 PM

If you feel like you were being out of it as well, I won't take it away from ye. x -x

I think I grew more frustrated by the repeatition on both sides more so than the people involved. I hate listening to the same two statements for 2 hours straight. no one was listening

11:46 PM

Plus my own comments in the moderator channel scream more with the frustration of a lack of visible standards to point at

YEAH

11:57 PM

But, now we have standards. Ideally I make a Big Deal out of that now.

not the green thing

But, now we have standards. Ideally I make a Big Deal out of that now.

I am too tired can I schedule making a big deal out of that with the front desk for a later time?

Pure

I am too tired can I schedule making a big deal out of that with the front desk for a later time?

I mean yeah sure why not

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KIill!

Why that here

because it spawned here. no clue why

SHUT UP DISCORD

This guy

4:31 PM

Backseat driver

4:31 PM

We already do that

I know it's like, already resolved and stuff

8:16 PM

But I gave him a simple breakdown of why we shouldn't allow that, and he just fought me on it

8:17 PM

His little suggestion of "Mods should just give a little blurb as a reason why" is what we've been doing, and what I did

8:17 PM

He just proceeded to ignore that and essentially say "fuck you I want my role"

8:17 PM

If you read back in that channel I gave those reasons clear and simple, and he just went "okay?"

8:18 PM

His "suggestion" today just feels petty

I wasn't kidding when I said it's a new suggestion every week with him

@not the green thing I say ignore what Verd is saying, what we have now is fine, please don't let him make the server hella complex

8:22 PM

No one likes an overly complex server

8:23 PM

The only reason it ballooned into a debate was because of him not taking no for an answer, and multiple mods not enforcing/de-escalating well enough

8:24 PM

I'm not innocent of being one of those mods, as I called out Rruk on some hypocrisy after I laid down my explanation of why we shouldn't have the suggestion verd put up, which was a personal jab and only added fuel to that

8:26 PM

Next time we say no to something and he blatantly doesn't listen, just stop replying and let himself fizzle out in the chat, our job isn't to debate the member, it's to debate amongst ourselves what's best for the server, and give a simple yes or no and a small reasoning like we've done

8:26 PM

And if he doesn't stop then put him in time out

8:27 PM

This isn't a place for drama

8:28 PM

I understand wanting to hear someone out, but given he's shown multiple times that he will not hear others out, he doesn't deserve that same courtesy

8:28 PM

I'm not gonna talk to a wall

8:29 PM

Autism be dammed, autism doesn't halt self awareness and common decency

I'm barely the server owner— I semi-seriously tell people I’m pawning the server off to them all the time and I am not about to act as a king. (edited)

4:26 AM

Firstly, I've gone back and read through that chat a few times with this finger-pointing, and I really don't see the point where anybody acts more mature than any other. Nobody is listening to each other. People make points and then askew points get thrown back, and when there are consistent back-and-forths, it eventually ends with another non-sequitur that makes somebody else defensive. I even had to go through everything again and saw that I threw a lot of blame Az's way that he wasn't deserving-- we all fucked up, it's not just Verdrusk or Rruk because: (edited)

4:26 AM

Secondly, we're not here to debate, nobody is here to argue, nobody wanted it that way in the first place. There was a lot of underlying "nobody is listening to me" reasons that made everyone walk away fuming, but everybody there was taking part. Even I was poor at listening to directions and ended up yanking the lawnmower motor back into motion when Zalia had pushed it into a thread, so any one person taking the "I was the wise one here!" card is hypocrasy. Everyone can be at fault. Feel a little bad. I'm sorry for my contribution and I'm gonna be taking personal steps to make sure I'm better in the future. We are NOT police or politicians. There are borderline no rules, a lot of us were involved in making it dramatic so WE are the rulebreakers just as much as anybody else. We cannot shift blame. Everyone was involved in the food fight and are individually responsible for our own giant, red, tomato-based stains in the carpet, so we're all in detention, it does not MATTER who started it. (edited)

4:26 AM

Thirdly, this mod chat isn't actually here to gossip about anybody. I still want to delete this chat if it were possible, but I do like the miniature level where one or two people can discuss a minor fallacy like "a message appeared that we might want to delete?" without notifying everyone. If I could go back and change how this chat functions, I might've figured out a way to make this chat publicly viewable but not notify anybody. It's valuable that I didn't, it's important to be able to say "Rhodesy has a strike, Chris has two" and the like without making it public knowledge, but in the server-joining rules it outlines "no drama" about five times and one of the exact examples is gossip. We gossip way too much. It’s against the rules. Consider how true the rumor “the mods use the mod chat to talk shit” is. (edited)

4:26 AM

Fourthly, our meter for how to make the server run better is not if it's too complicated because complicated and bad are not synonyms. We all immediately knew we weren't putting a role selector for different mental disabilities, but it will always be worth it to hear anybody out on why it could a good idea for the same reason that-- fucking, book of Job biblical reference, don't pretend you're gonna look it up, it’s just the Devil's Advocate being positively portrayed. If someone is suggesting a lot of ideas, even if they are askew or annoying, I feel like we should actually be encouraging as much; to me, that seems like they’re just particularly invested in our community becoming better. If we need to, we can take Kink’s idea of discussing a suggestion in the mod chat so we can avoid all individually posting our personal congruous opinions, but I don’t feel like that should be necessary— it could be! It might be. Worth testing.

4:27 AM

Fifthly. I've been having the worst week probably ever for reasons outside of this server, for real-life changes that I'm being forced through. You’re just gonna have to believe me when I say I am beyond done with this problem. Tomorrow, I'll implement some changes and define better what it means to be a moderator and what I actually expect, because right now, it's sort of all over the place. (edited)

4:31 AM

Past all of those walls of text and ideally the whole end of this arc, I do want to add a final comment. In #information, the 4th "rule" listed is:

Listen to the admins, they are trying to help. Usually. Like 99% of the time, everyone makes mistakes and nobody is getting paid so we're all doing our best here. Which we all did. We screwed up a bit here, but that's okay-- we'll learn from it and next time something even remotely related happens, I guarantee we'll be more equipped to handle it better. Verdrusk ended up texting me directly in DMs about his idea and we closed it off with proper reasoning for why I wouldn't be implementing it, anyway. Which, like, sucks, but this should feel like the exception and not the rule that it gotten taken elsewhere. It won't be like this next time, so like... just, let's calm down and not stress about it (if you can help it) anymore. We could use the break while I figure out the changes I want to make.

(edited)

Hell, it's time for the arc where I just, make this a normal Discord server, innit.

TLDR, because good god 1. Geese went through the discussions again and recognized how much people didn't listen to and kept arguing past each other. 2. It was unnecessary drama and everyone took part, making it worse. 3. There is too much gossiping in this mod chat, it should only be used if there are unclear cases for moderation. Act as if it was public. 4. Even if some user gives a lot of feedback we should still listen to it and encourage giving more. 5. Geese geesed it Feel free to correct what I've missed, YW C:

I think we can't achieve this anarchy geese wants without being secretly super coordinated behind the scenes Basically all of those points except for 5 could be improved on if the mod squad was a more cohesive unit

Hopfel

TLDR, because good god 1. Geese went through the discussions again and recognized how much people didn't listen to and kept arguing past each other. 2. It was unnecessary drama and everyone took part, making it worse. 3. There is too much gossiping in this mod chat, it should only be used if there are unclear cases for moderation. Act as if it was public. 4. Even if some user gives a lot of feedback we should still listen to it and encourage giving more. 5. Geese geesed it Feel free to correct what I've missed, YW C:

Y'all ever have to write an essay in highschool and get really good at it

Zalia @ FWA

I think we can't achieve this anarchy geese wants without being secretly super coordinated behind the scenes Basically all of those points except for 5 could be improved on if the mod squad was a more cohesive unit

Yeah. I'm shifting the goalpost from anarchy because I've learned it's sort of impossible.

3:57 PM

I am now the Laissez-Faire Dictator. I am taking whatever crown that gives me and leaning my cheek abjectly onto my fist while sitting on my throne.

I'd send a reaction image but my phone camera roll only has porn (edited)

I'm just gonna make rules and a moderator outline on how to mod normally like a normal Discord server because it's tried and true and I've personally never hosted a Discord server before so I don't know what bridge I fell off of thinking I could make it the most unique governance on the planet whilst not knowing anything about politics

3:59 PM

Because like, I'm tired

To do list: -designate a pee corner

I will squash you like a spider

4:01 PM

I'm gonna put a cup over you and slide a paper under your feet, then take you the fuck outside

4:07 PM

I just wanna know how to do my job man

Lol yeah sorry

I feel like de-escalating is a good virtue to have as a mod tho, that's kind of all I've been saying

I mean, that's gonna be #1

Lol

Thanks + sorry + be patient with me, I am neurotypical

Rule #1 No gay homo virgins in my Christian art server Rule #2 No piss outside the piss corner Rule #3 Hot cheese must not exceed 12.4 fl oz (375 ml) for the comfort and convenience of other residents

4:37 PM

Duuuh yeah sure

#1 De-escalate #2 De-escalate further #3 Address complaints and seek ways to solve problems, never Uno Reverse Card the one making the complaint #4 Anticipate drama where possible, take involved parties aside to ensure it's not gonna be a problem, King Solomon rules when it is #5 Before voicing your opinion on a complicated situation, ask for further elaboration ESPECIALLY if you disagree (understandable to fuck up though) #6 If the problem is too involved and complicated, just, send it to me, I gotta do stuff sometimes #7 Do normal mod stuff #8 Be considerate; saying "no" means a lot so make sure you understand what you're saying "no" to and why-- if people argue, that's not them telling you they aren't going to stop whatever they're doing, so like, address backlash differently

4:47 PM

Probably also do person-specific rules too

4:47 PM

Az: #9 No sharks

Reflexively: SORRY EVERYONE for supplying you the most vague information possible and then just sort of expecting y'all to follow my internal rubrik, which was already vague.

Hopfel

TLDR, because good god 1. Geese went through the discussions again and recognized how much people didn't listen to and kept arguing past each other. 2. It was unnecessary drama and everyone took part, making it worse. 3. There is too much gossiping in this mod chat, it should only be used if there are unclear cases for moderation. Act as if it was public. 4. Even if some user gives a lot of feedback we should still listen to it and encourage giving more. 5. Geese geesed it Feel free to correct what I've missed, YW C:

The gossiping in here was by far the most damaging thing here I’ve noticed. Like, imagine if this chat was something everyone could see again, and someone searched up to see anyone here mentioning their name, only to find disturbing messages about them here.

5:35 PM

It felt so wrong to me, that as SOON as I had access to this chat, I immediately felt like I needed to search up my own name to see anything like that on me

5:36 PM

Treating this more as a place where you really focusing on the idea that anyone could see anything you said here at anytime is important, and I’d think it would really make this channel feel more like a constructive place to solve problems, rather than a place to say bad things about someone else

5:38 PM

Venting is an alright thing to do, butchu gotta understand that anything you say about another person and their actions are something that’ll effect other people’s perceptions of them. That information’ll come round, that’s why anytime I vent about someone, I do it as if I’m imagining that exact person right next to me, hearing everything I say as I say it.

5:40 PM

Anyways, I just felt like saying that because I’ve noticed that to be something that bothered me

5:40 PM

And also, geese is really cool too pat pat

Kink (fat geese) pinned a message to this channel. 9/21/2023 5:42 PM

Zalia @ FWA

Rule #1 No gay homo virgins in my Christian art server Rule #2 No piss outside the piss corner Rule #3 Hot cheese must not exceed 12.4 fl oz (375 ml) for the comfort and convenience of other residents

I'm a gay homo Christian, what are you gonna do about that?~

https://tenor.com/sdt1.gif

7:57 PM

If i can make my own (unpinned) statement

7:58 PM

I feel like the gossip has been mostly done by me, and mostly about individuals or regarding situations where i feel like situations came up where the mod team (us) were unable or unwilling to deal with the problem using teamwork, electing to bicker and politic for hours or even days while the situation continued to devolve

8:01 PM

But, Per My Last Email, all the stuff i've ever chosen to vent here about before, from the Rhodesy Issue to the Verdrusk Connundrum, comes from a place of deep personal frustration with the character and behavior of said individuals, not simple dislike.

8:05 PM

Sometimes you have to say bad things about someone else. Sometimes you have to point out your observations about a situation in a professional, if not harshly illuminating, manner. The paranoia to search your own name to see if anything has been said about you is understandable, but also worthy of a head shake- have you given people a reason to talk about your behavior? I don't absolve myself of the guilt of mixing ill will in with discussion about how someone behaves, far from it, i have a valued inability to keep a cold degree of separation between my emotions and my observations.

8:07 PM

But i don't think the discussion here would have strayed anywhere near gossip had we a proper "work environment" in place at those times that allowed us to raise concerns or observations without fear of backlash, being shut down, or told we're being too "authoritarian" and not embracing anarchy enough

Trite

I'm a gay homo Christian, what are you gonna do about that?~

He can fit so many Bibles.

Zalia @ FWA

But i don't think the discussion here would have strayed anywhere near gossip had we a proper "work environment" in place at those times that allowed us to raise concerns or observations without fear of backlash, being shut down, or told we're being too "authoritarian" and not embracing anarchy enough

Okay, you know, agree. You can do that now.

Zalia @ FWA

Sometimes you have to say bad things about someone else. Sometimes you have to point out your observations about a situation in a professional, if not harshly illuminating, manner. The paranoia to search your own name to see if anything has been said about you is understandable, but also worthy of a head shake- have you given people a reason to talk about your behavior? I don't absolve myself of the guilt of mixing ill will in with discussion about how someone behaves, far from it, i have a valued inability to keep a cold degree of separation between my emotions and my observations.

This one though! Like, yeah everyone's got their moments, but it shouldn't translate to calling out someone as obnoxious constantly. At some point we get the picture, but what are we supposed to do about it.

I strongly disagree with rule 9

12:30 AM

And with making us all green

12:31 AM

Rest is pretty alright

rule nine is based come on

12:42 AM

rule ten also: zalia appreciates being told directly when she's crossing lines I will never be upset at being told to can it or change my behavior if it's direct

@deleted-role

4:01 PM

Can you please check this

4:01 PM

https://discord.com/channels/888970103654350949/1061838693394042980/1155534154142855188

4:01 PM

I think it might warrant mod intervention

Maybe I helped? If theyre gonna make comments about how they won't sugarcoat their feelings for someone I think it's appropriate to remind them that this isn't the place to share said feelings regardless of language chosen

4:11 PM

If more (or less action) was better suited, I'm all ears!

4:16 PM

Technically speaking Wouldn't there have been a way for him to say what he said in a more impartial, colloquial way that wouldn't come across as mean spirited trash talk? I don't think the talking about someone behind their back part was as bad as the way it was said

it's also that annoy asked him to stop and he didn't

4:20 PM

imo that's the offense here

Ahh

Zalia @ FWA

Maybe I helped? If theyre gonna make comments about how they won't sugarcoat their feelings for someone I think it's appropriate to remind them that this isn't the place to share said feelings regardless of language chosen

In my opinion this seems like enough. Luckily no one really latched onto an attempt to make series of complaints, but yeah, Annoy don't play that.

We don't offer complimentary chill pills at this establishment, sadly Maybe my slight harshness will keep him from saying anymore, or perhaps he's already said his piece.

Wah

this is a strike

And this is where I do or say no more!

I need advice from experienced mods from well-performing servers on how to deal with things

7:26 AM

Like I've been making categories in my head for problem children and I've rescinding further into my balled-up corner waiting for the Bad Stuff to happen

7:28 AM

When realistically, for some of these, we can see it coming-- like, there are people who we're certain of the personalities of and are otherwise just waiting for them to do something Innately Bad Enough, Twice so we can kick them without interacting with the plot of Minority Report.

I mean, can't do anything until they act, unless they do some big thing in another server thats ban worthy.

7:30 AM

otherwise its just like, note the bad behaviour, but keep an eye out. Don't have to make yourself paranoid over them

But what happens when you can TELL all it is is a time bomb? What do you do when you're sort of regularly getting notified by people of any specific one person's terrifying/dramatic behavior, like you are just legitimately waiting for that Time Bomb to go off?

7:33 AM

I'm just upset at things that feel like they're happening in the crypts here.

I know who you're refering to, just wait

I'm referring to more than one person

I know

:c

Can't do anything unless they act up. Its a fair law

7:34 AM

preemptive strikes are reserved for the worst of the worst, otherwise its scary to work on what ifs

7:35 AM

especially to other people

7:35 AM

take sharkstuff for example. he has a history, but he changed and is pretty chill

IT IS THE PLOT OF MINORITY REPORT, and like. I dunno, I want to give people the benefit of the doubt as much as possible. People who have a terrible reputation elsewhere get to prove they don't deserve it while here, like Sharkstuff; there's a unique opportunity this server represents-- but if we can TELL ALREADY who is squandering that opportunity and have that reputation for a reason, it just feels like there's more to do

three strikes, its a good system that works

And even worse, on my end, I don't even know how to interact with people where screwing up is the exception and not the rule, but they screwed up and I had to deal with it. Like, Chris hasn't attended any of the events since I got on his case about Gartic. . _.

7:38 AM

This job is so stressful. . -.

It happens, comes with the role. Their is a difficulty to balancing reprimanding people but keeping them active/friendly.

Also, three strikes as a system to me only makes sense when it's like

Person does something, everyone reacts negatively, lesson probably learned
Person does same thing, you activeky inform them of the behavior, make sure that they understand the boundaries
Person does thing again, gets an actual reprimand/punishment because they didn't learn anything the first two times

(edited)

7:49 AM

If you skip directly to "hey man, there's a lesson to be learned here, don't do that shit we're telling you" then in my head it makes more sense as a like

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me

(edited)

7:50 AM

Right? Is that just me? Just that fucking "this will happen again" logic is killing me.

It will, and we can smack them (edited)

7:53 AM

We hold that right

7:54 AM

if they show no will to change for the better, we can remove them

. _. Yeah...

You reserve the right, to work in the favor of the server. If it benefits the server don't be afraid to do it

not the green thing

I'm referring to more than one person

The three people with strikes?

not the green thing

Also, three strikes as a system to me only makes sense when it's like

Person does something, everyone reacts negatively, lesson probably learned
Person does same thing, you activeky inform them of the behavior, make sure that they understand the boundaries
Person does thing again, gets an actual reprimand/punishment because they didn't learn anything the first two times

(edited)

Three strikes is what we are doing? (edited)

10:33 AM

I think it's not the best

Azserfy

The three people with strikes?

No, actually. It's not 1:1 anyway, there's some overlap-- and there's more people than that with strikes.

Azserfy

Three strikes is what we are doing? (edited)

That was my thought. Not everything counts as a strike either though, some things are more.

The best way i like to do things nowadays, is that if enough people come to me to complain about someone, I always take that to heart because it's like, why else would they all complain about the same person? The key thing to notice too is whether or not they all talk about the same event, or each of them talk about different bad experiences they have with that person, If 13 people complain to me about the same thing, I think that makes everything extremely invalid vs four people telling about completely different experiences they had with the same person

5:09 PM

Then I ask the person "what do you think i should do about this" and I let them tell me what I should do. Depending on how valid their requests are, I take action (edited)

5:10 PM

I had this experience with a particular person in this server, where 4 DIFFERENT people complained to me about them, telling me about 4 different bad experiences they had with the same person.

5:11 PM

So I asked the first person what I should do, "you can't really do much I guess right now, unless he does something much worse i guess, just be careful around him I guess"

5:11 PM

Then, I asked the forth person what I should do much later on, and told them that four other people complained about the same person

5:11 PM

"You should probably cut all ties with this person"

5:12 PM

So that's what i did haha~

Are people complaining to you? o -o

YEAH

5:14 PM

But not anything related to this server haha, just related to my community

5:16 PM

I think the biggest factor is collecting complaints from the others, and then contact the person who did the bad thing themselves

5:16 PM

But this is all stuff you do already haha

Fallen left. x -x

8:54 PM

So did Mizu, actually.

O7

9:01 PM

Why'd they leave?

not the green thing

So did Mizu, actually.

They've been gone for a while

not the green thing

Fallen left. x -x

good

Banned Rolutav from the server after a long list of complaints and recent events. Causing a large number of active members to not join call while hes present and offending another individual. They have been causing drama through pms with server members and are unwilling to calm down or cooperate. Unwilling to change to be healthier for the server, etc

8:17 AM

Ran it by Geese if you want verification (edited)

I did my best for a long time to give him opportunities, just like... "one more chance, like this isn't enough yet, not really, we'll give him the benefit of the doubt" but it officially became too oppressing today. . -. Blue eventually pulled the plug. (edited)

damn he didn't last long

hmmh :c

6:01 PM

no complaints from me on this decision, although i have to note i was entirely unaware of this problem

Yeah, a lot of the info only became apparent to me as of the time of my decision. Geese had whole enchilada of info.

enchilada

starting to think I'm not a huge fan of having my sona blown to bloody bits of gore but idw to be a dick about it

":D Yeah I mean, that's very reasonable, we can outline that better

8:11 PM

We'll let it sit for now because rn people would be prone to overthink their own contributions, but next event point out ahead of time that you don't really like it

Azserfy

starting to think I'm not a huge fan of having my sona blown to bloody bits of gore but idw to be a dick about it

Yeah that

10:18 PM

sorry about that haha ;w;

10:19 PM

If nobody's told that stuff before hand, everyone assumes that everything's alright to draw

yeah

10:22 PM

I guess it's kinda the same reason why I don't want him gurgled

mhm

only pet

10:39 PM

only kissed

10:39 PM

only loved

10:40 PM

and suggestable threatened (edited)

Psychological trauma is mostly okay

bites you and bites you and bites you and bites you

I believe that the social implosion channel is starting to become a problem. Its not being used for its intended purpose and instead being used for verd to abduct people for minecraft and games, cutting the socials to only his select group. I believe it would be better to change the channel from a limited group into an unlimited channel and rename it for minecraft/games.

Maybe a general "Off Topic / Games" VC

(I panicked for a bit second trying to find the text chat named social implosion, questioning my sanity since I didn't remember a channel of that name ever existing) (edited)

5:07 AM

(Then I realized it was one of those eight VCs with a member cap that people barely use) . (edited)

5:09 AM

While I don't think this server should be a place for outside activities like people's personal Minecraft servers (we're here to focus on art and other creative shenanigans), and I also don't think this should be considered a "friend group server" to just invite more friends to for no reason other than they're your friend, I actually believe we should niether put a ban on all non-art related activities NOR make special places for such activities. . (edited)

5:12 AM

Maybe a middle ground would be allowing random other stuff like these Minecraft nights as long as 1. They keep chatter out of the general no mic and use each VC's built in no- mic channel and 2. If it grows in scope and regularity and they need more places to put things (like a build organizing channel or LFG channel), they kindly remove the activities to a groupchat or server outside this one. (edited)

5:13 AM

↑↑↑ That's my motion for how to solve this sorta-problem, because it both allows people to keep doing whatever they want while ensuring that this doesn't snowball any larger.

I personnally don't think the games should be a main topic thats promoted as well, but activities where people get together and get along is good. The concern is more that a select group keep isolating in social implosion to play minecraft

6:01 AM

I think it would be better to create either a second general and remove one of the social channels. Plus probably remove art trade because it has never been used

Because members are grown adults who can ask for art trades directly

6:15 AM

Wasn't the art trade channel created as a compromise?

Azserfy

Wasn't the art trade channel created as a compromise?

I'd normally have an answer for this but I've been dealing with so much shit lately that I don't even remember.

It was to see if it gets some good usage and remove if not

5:49 PM

...what

There are "wrong number" scam texts that introduce themselves with a female's name and have a whole automated script (usually) for slowly hitting on you.

6:02 PM

Catching them early is really fun, because they are actually moderated by people.

6:03 PM

You can also get them to fuck off forever by saying that you're gay.

Man as soon as I'm done with this move and have my stuff set up again I'm gonna be a Grown Adult and ask certain people if they wanna do trades or collabs

:D

Geese are you one of those certain people

I just

5:04 PM

https://discord.com/channels/888970103654350949/1063212447256825976/1159531175321272320

5:05 PM

Would love to have the patience to type out a response that explains this is the opposite of what we wanna do

Zalia @ FWA

↑↑↑ That's my motion for how to solve this sorta-problem, because it both allows people to keep doing whatever they want while ensuring that this doesn't snowball any larger.

I'll bump this again to repeat my thoughts on this matter

I gave a response

I wish verd had the wherewithal to understand that while suggesting new things isn't bad, posting a new suggestion every week that suits his fancy but isn't really focused on the purpose of the server sort of gums up the channels ability to actually discuss and implement stuff for drawpiling. If he were a game dev, he'd be introducing rampant feature creep.

I don't think heathen is needed either personally, the guest feature already does everything it needs, without inviting people to stay.

I like your response

5:13 PM

Cut and dry

I also think we lost Sharkstuff at some point. x -x

that we did

2:04 AM

Why

I feel like people shouldn't be inviting friends unless those friends have expressed interest in joining the drawpiles or at least hanging around for art reasons.

12:11 AM

I don't like the idea of people just inviting their friends and moving in here to play Minecraft all the time like what's happening

12:12 AM

But that's just me

I kinda agree

Ideas for fixing this? Draconic: making it a rule that they have to be fodder for the activities Subtle: making sure to slightly more frequently mention that you're wanting to invite your own friend, but are waiting to hear if they are interested in drawpile first

Maybe we should look into an application form upon joining? Use the excuse that it helps us immediately assign roles and access to specific rooms while also having a section that gauges interest in participation? I am no discord developer, but I know you can lock new people into a general chat and setup a fairly plug and play application bot? Request general info, like an art portfolio (maybe), their medium of choice, social comfort, and list off addition roles they would like. Would have the effect of slowing incoming and spontaneous traffic and allowing us to catch red flags and generally allow people to join the server and immediately have roles?

Isn't this place means for artists?

4:25 AM

Like baseline you have to be an artist to be here

4:26 AM

Malfren being an exception cuz he was here well before me, and idk his whole thing

I am also generally worried about people joining just to play games or because they know someone (the hypocrisy isn't lost upon me I assure you) because it leave an environment that risks a lot more people being pestered by things that aren't art adjacent when they want to and should use this chat as such. Just a fine line to walk before the qualifier of being an artist vets out people who are aspiring or just starting. But generally yes, I think that art is supposed to be the prerequisite

I honestly think a person giving like a small summary is a good idea

4:33 AM

Because if we don't do that, I think more people'll just join without much though put into it

4:33 AM

It's unforunate cause i wouldn't wanna just kick someone for not being an artist ;w;

Kink (fat geese)

I honestly think a person giving like a small summary is a good idea

I think basically: Person who invited you. Art medium. Link or description of art portfolio. Optional addition information. about free time or schedules. A list of roles or interests to pick from. That alone I think would be enough to tell who is kinda just coming in to mess around, and questionable applications can be discussed.

Kink (fat geese)

It's unforunate cause i wouldn't wanna just kick someone for not being an artist ;w;

And agreed, but also shouldn't just have people join just to lurk or play minecraft for 2 hours and then only occassionally peek in? Plus, being lax on that can eventually very easily lead to uncomfy people. I think. Basically, people already have servers to play games with people who aren't already in here, no need to turn this into a one stop shop for people's social groups. I dunno though, tired. (edited)

@not the green thing Thoughts?

Kink (fat geese)

It's unforunate cause i wouldn't wanna just kick someone for not being an artist ;w;

But that's literally the entire point of this server

5:08 AM

A place for artists where non-artists can't get all grabby hands asking for art and requests

Kink (fat geese)

@not the green thing Thoughts?

No thoughts, I've been in too much of a weird mood today and I'm gonna default to the larger consensus. Art server. Bababab.

5:14 AM

Sorry-- if nothing is reached I'll figure out my thoughts in the next few days

okie dok

Ban all the not arytists!

6:08 AM

I'll give a proper response later when i'm alive

I'm all for some sort of little form

1:58 PM

And I'm also against people continuing to invite people here as guests to play minecraft

1:58 PM

The Minecraft groupies need to take it to another server

Zalia @ FWA

The Minecraft groupies need to take it to another server

I absolutely agree

2:54 PM

Otherwise this place is really just going to be used to invite more and more Minecraft people who aren’t exactly artists

Trite

Malfren being an exception cuz he was here well before me, and idk his whole thing

Also, I’m still just kinda confused on why Malferen has an exception in this server? I feel like if we were going to go with this model, I would suggest sticking to it with absolutely everybody

3:00 PM

Cause I certainly wouldn’t find it fair if one person in this server had “clearance,” yet everyone else who’s lesser known had to go

I don't think he should have special exception, the main thing was that he does 3D art which is... I guess art still but also doesn't really include him in the drawpiles and Gartics. Same as the question of whether we should let musicians join. (edited)

...but without question people that are here to soley play Minecraff need to go. (edited)

3:29 PM

For a while it was a "after a drawing session we relax and play games", which imo is fine, it was connected with drawing still somewhat, but if people hang around to do nothing else that's no good.

1

Hopfel

I don't think he should have special exception, the main thing was that he does 3D art which is... I guess art still but also doesn't really include him in the drawpiles and Gartics. Same as the question of whether we should let musicians join. (edited)

ahhh i see

3:33 PM

Yeah that brings up a whole other question, because "art" doesn't just include drawing. Should we only let people who draw in here as a result of that? Because someone could invite someone here who doesn't draw and just say "oh yeah, but they do a different kind of art!" Because I think I guess, if our point is to keep this server orientated to artists who draw, I think we should probably emphasize that it's a server for that particular kind of art only

Honestly just wouldn't bother with that question outside of "what is this person here for". At least the few times Malf has been hanging in the art chat it was while art was happening (and his bf was drawing).

4:18 PM

However if people are getting dragged in for gaming only that's a super easy deliniation to make, best not get stuck on the edge cases...

Alright!

I believe my stance has already been expressed by other individuals here already. Keep it to art, not to games

4:51 PM

Should have an announcement about it too

I love people dragging in more people who will just chill in VC and art

5:12 PM

It's when it becomes little gaming circles playing a Minecraft server or doing "fps of the week" squads that I feel like it's outside the scope of what this place is meant for

Hopfel

However if people are getting dragged in for gaming only that's a super easy deliniation to make, best not get stuck on the edge cases...

Agreed, plus, I think we need a more forward solution, to stop it before it gets out of hand, rather than treating it like a purge. I am still thinking form, makes it simple to catch people wanting the discord for the wrong reason. Defining what art is can wait, I think

I feel like I define it pretty definitely in #deleted-channel

not the green thing

I feel like I define it pretty definitely in #deleted-channel

If that was the solution we wouldn't be talking about this Goosums

10:03 PM

:3

We could shut down free invites so everything goes through a mod?

Yeah that’s step 1

Two votes for

11:40 PM

And to ask a mod, you must supply a link to a gallery

I suppose that an "interview" with a mod of sorta fulfills the application idea. Three votes for

Go through a mod is good

12:11 AM

4 votes

12:12 AM

I am bringing someone who wants to draw in here as well. They have the express goal to learn

12:12 AM

Kink knows them, named Sanctus

12:17 AM

And another who wants to learn too

Who are you

Stabs you

not the green thing

Who are you

Cast your ballot green man (edited)

Well king

5:34 AM

post gallery links

bwuh

"show us your art" is like the online artist version of "if you're so tough why don't you come kiss me on my mouth"

>king blue >green

6:41 AM

squints

I just like the title, was the bad guy all along (edited)

This is a better color anyways

The vote is in, new invites have to go through admin permission

USB was approved, to his credit

4:32 AM

Spe asked

4:32 AM

Geese approved

For clarification

6:31 PM

I'm a mod, so if I want to invite someone do I have that agency or shall I run that past at least one other mod? :P

i say you get a pass

Seems fair if we do it that way

6:31 PM

Oh

6:31 PM

Hmm oky

but you can also like, say it here before you invite?

6:32 PM

Not for our validation but for info you know

6:32 PM

idk

Sure

6:32 PM

I don't really have anyone I want to invite yet tho Just hypothetically

I think an important thing is that if someone's approved, it would be helpful to state it here! This is just so that we have logs of where everyone's coming from and who approved them

7:13 PM

Seems like that's what we're already doing though, so it should be good!

OKAY SO

8:28 PM

Did we ever actually implement an application?

8:28 PM

It flew under the radar for me, I was sort of awayways for a while-- is it a thing?

8:28 PM

How does it actually work?

8:29 PM

What're our ruuuuules for it? I was overwhelmed for a bit there but I'm sorta feeling better now awawa

I didn't see one yet created

12:12 AM

Awawa

12:14 AM

Question one: do you enjoy drawing OR hate drawing but want supportive friends to convince you to do it? Question two: do you want to join or spectate art-related group activities?

12:20 AM

And idk Question three: can you find the sta

12:22 AM

I don't think we need to grill anyone very hard but basically if their answer is "no but my friends invited me"nor "I'm here for the Minecraft server" then we'll have an opportunity to tell them sorry, this is just the server specifically for the bi-weekly art activities

12:23 AM

"applying" for someplace this chill seems a bit extra, really it should just be a quiz that makes sure new peeps have the right idea about what this place is focused on

Zalia @ FWA

Question one: do you enjoy drawing OR hate drawing but want supportive friends to convince you to do it? Question two: do you want to join or spectate art-related group activities?

How do I set this up

7:08 AM

I'll work on that next chance I get, attack me while I'm innocently in the VC now that I'm not so overwhelmed as I have been

Man idk... Maybe using Google forms or whatever it's called, thats something I at least have some familiarity with having just done commission forms with it

not the green thing

I'll work on that next chance I get, attack me while I'm innocently in the VC now that I'm not so overwhelmed as I have been

Okay <3

I'm inviting one new dude and then I'm making a system

7:17 AM

Incoming tea

I'm thinking i'd like to step down from my position as a moderator here

7:12 PM

Is it possible for me to be removed by my position at all? I have my reasons and I'd like to focus on some other things

@not the green thing

Kink (fat geese)

Is it possible for me to be removed by my position at all? I have my reasons and I'd like to focus on some other things

to put it in geese's words "awawawawawa :c"

8:30 PM

will miss your kinky presence here!

8:31 PM

oh he's already not here

I'm a bit at odds with how the server is functioning

2:34 AM

Like obviously it's getting worse, and I'm not a fan-- there's less overall interaction and participation in a way that's... fun, I guess?

2:35 AM

Like now I have to listen and jump through strange hoops in the background, avoid certain Gartic gamemodes with Chris, catch when certain people are in bad moods early so they don't sabotage another

2:36 AM

There's been a Minecraft pull which is FINE but I feel like lately things have just been lacking-- and it might, honestly, just be a me thing in the throes of

Back from Switzerland
Parents' House
Seasonal Affective Disorder

2:36 AM

It's been easy to blame myself anyway, I need to interact more/better

I don't know if you feeling busier with life nessesarily means this place is functioning worse

2:55 AM

it seems to be functioning alright imo, most of us ministeriales have just been out of it or away

2:57 AM

If you're having to jump through strange hoops in the background, that's on you for not bringing it to others of us or asking for help, but other than that, most of this stuff might be overthinking or unnessesary micromanagement that you don't really need to worry about.

I mean, that would be the case, but it's like I dunno, there are small things that ruin the atmosphere for me but feel micromanage-y to bring up

3:40 AM

Like I discussed this with Hopfel today and he phrased it in a way I relate to all too well-- he called it "young," moreso in that the server feels less mature overall. Like, Zalia, you were even In The Call when someone pointedly put themselves in the conversation by pointing out that what everyone was talking about was excruciatingly boring and eughhhgh and made a huge deal about it before eventually leaving. Someone recently joined a call I was in just to make fun of one of my mannerisms a few times and then leave again, and even now there's a person who bellyaches every time there's a Drawpile and will complain listlessly and refer to how they have to leave now until enough other people join to drown them out-- and join the Drawpile anyway. Like. All of these things are expressly not against the rules, I-- I, I guess? It could go under the scope of no drama, maybe, but it still sort of feels like it's not my place to fix it because it's not HORRIBLE, but it makes me feel dumb.

3:42 AM

Like nobody wants to hear that what they're doing actually sucks, like actively-- like the person complaining probably wouldn't end up joining if we told them not to complain. Maybe we just make that concise list of obvious rules every server has, though. Again, I don't have any idea what I'm doing.

3:42 AM

@Kennyyeen might be a better reference than me.

I think theres a certain degree of okay and social acceptance. The people acting out and making a stink of the events or others should be reprimanded despite the fear they'll avoid joining in the future. The idea is to lkeep things clean and safe for everyone who joins so they can do what the server is for, draw.

3:53 AM

I also agree with Zalia on the fact that, you should tell us if things are happening. it's bad enough that others don't approach us about arising problems and only tell geese. You should put out there that they should contact one of the Ministrals before contacting you about something. Plus tell us if something happens, we are technically waiting for activation to do something, its not micromanagement, its just moderation

That's fair, aaaa

3:54 AM

Thanks

"Don't be a dick" needs to be a server rule

5:50 AM

The behaviors you describe seem very dickish

5:50 AM

Swing the hammer, we will all support you

not the green thing

Like I discussed this with Hopfel today and he phrased it in a way I relate to all too well-- he called it "young," moreso in that the server feels less mature overall. Like, Zalia, you were even In The Call when someone pointedly put themselves in the conversation by pointing out that what everyone was talking about was excruciatingly boring and eughhhgh and made a huge deal about it before eventually leaving. Someone recently joined a call I was in just to make fun of one of my mannerisms a few times and then leave again, and even now there's a person who bellyaches every time there's a Drawpile and will complain listlessly and refer to how they have to leave now until enough other people join to drown them out-- and join the Drawpile anyway. Like. All of these things are expressly not against the rules, I-- I, I guess? It could go under the scope of no drama, maybe, but it still sort of feels like it's not my place to fix it because it's not HORRIBLE, but it makes me feel dumb.

HUH I guess I haven't noticed people doing these things?

how long can we keep phoneme

I hope for a while

Someone start Group C for me in case I can't make it It's just a hangout anyway, soz (edited)

Smooching session with da boyz

I wanna propose someone joining this server

5:57 PM

They're a friend of mine that I think really needs to socialize more, and I feel like he would get a lot out of this place as both an artist and socially

5:58 PM

His name is Nate and he's a husky, also a vore fur, and he does mostly ms paint art, but honestly his doodles are pretty cute

5:58 PM

I was mentioning this place to him and name dropped a few people he knows and he drew this in anxiety

5:59 PM

His words being "I feel like the Special Ed kid who got invited to the cool kid table to show my macaroni art"

6:00 PM

And like, the fact he drew something to express his emotions is one of the big reasons why I think he would be a good artist, it's a natural instinct for him, he just needs to learn how

Hell yeah

6:13 PM

Get 'im in here

I want more opinions, lol

That's fair

6:32 PM

I'm sorta worried anyway that our server gets people who already don't value themselves as very artsy down, like there's a peak point where you understand art just well enough that there's a social clique you're suddenly in

6:33 PM

Null and Missile are consistently worried about that level, at any rate

6:33 PM

It's hard to onboard people into an environment that's just "nothing matters, don't be anxious cuz that's dumb"

MS Paint brother, art good nuff for Gartic, git 'im in 'ere

Get im in ere

Trite

His words being "I feel like the Special Ed kid who got invited to the cool kid table to show my macaroni art"

damn he needs to realize we're all the special ed kids

Who made me into a sticker, lol

3:55 AM

Well, here's a genuine strike against Verdrusk, but I guess I'm gonna talk to him about it in DMs. . _.

what did he do?

#bible-studies-and-discussion, I'm currently in a call with Vic who is extremely defensive and worried about his standings, the kind of anxiety of someone who thinks everyone believes what Verdrusk said :/

damn

11:35 PM

i vote to delete

Well that, for sure, first

done

Alright, as an immediately informed person I guess with Vic's paranoid self (which is nice, his confidence might be scarred but he doesn't seem like he's gonna hold it against the server itself?) I'll talk to him directly. :|

atta bitch

The reactions on my message are.. amusing to say the least

3:07 AM

Man I was frowning more on verd's actions than I was thinking about how vic was, I'm sorry to hear that

3:08 AM

Kinda wish me and him (vic) weren't so distant lately, I'm so bad with maintaining interpersonal relationships

Has anyone formally told Verd that he has a strike

3:48 AM

How do we do those here

3:48 AM

Have we done those before here

Dm him and tell him

3:49 AM

Do I gotta do it or something?

No, I'm bad cop today

3:50 AM

I'll do it

3:50 AM

But I'd welcome advice on my wording (edited)

3:51 AM

I know he's going to hit me with something like ":V" in response so I want my two sentences to be short and without need for further defense

but wait, geese made it sound like he's already talking with verd or has talked to him

I diiiiiid

ok

Geese, did you tell him, or did you mention it (edited)

I didn't say he has a strike, but I did chastise him about the issue itself

i agree with trite, the formality is important

He still does have a decent question, he just made it about Vic and insulted him directly because of it

Shit talking someone publicly is still an offense

i think he just straight up didn't realize or doesn't understand what he was doing by publicly posting it where vic could just... read it. It's a demonstration of a lack of really basic social conduct- or an intentional disregard for it to make a point. (edited)

Tell him formally so he knows (edited)

ignore me, i shouldn't be trying to philosophise about the situation.

I don't have the brain power to explain why that's a really rose colored way to look at that shit

4:12 AM

Just give him a formal warning

im trying to be rose colored to avoid blatantly badmouthing him for like the sixth time I'm not fond of verd('s behavior)

>Had an entire conversation with him and Rruk about how autism isn't an excuse or a hold-back but they still want roles to feel special >Verd shit talks someone publicly so they can read it >"Oh but his autism"

hold up not only did i not say "autism", i'm not even defending verd

4:19 AM

i formally apologize for wording the statement in question carefully enough that you mistook it as making excuses on verd's behalf. My comment's placement directly under yours, therefore appearing as a response, was an unfortunate accident.

4:51 AM

This is dumb, both y'all kiss. Zalia, tell Verd he has a strike. Something like, "Because of your behavior publicly bad mouthing a fellow server member in a public channel, you have been issued a strike."

Zalia @ FWA

i think he just straight up didn't realize or doesn't understand what he was doing by publicly posting it where vic could just... read it. It's a demonstration of a lack of really basic social conduct- or an intentional disregard for it to make a point. (edited)

People don't just "not realize" they're shit talking someone, lol

Short sweet, to the point. Any further response after that isn't important

Like I understand an off comment but that was an entire paragraph man

no i really think verd lacks basic awareness about these things

4:52 AM

and i'm not trying to mitigate what he did i just think hes that oblivious

Even if so, its not an excuse and shouldn't be used as leverage against fair judgement

but i wouldn't put malicious intent past him

Kennyyeen

Short sweet, to the point. Any further response after that isn't important

okay I appreciate it :3

No problem

4:57 AM

I did cleanup of the convo in bible study. Seemed rude through and through if you ask me (edited)

sent verd a short dm

1

Should make a public announcement about invites, how they need to pass through mod validation first

I thought we already did (edited)

is kal inviting his nico friend a problem? is this guy not a bonafied artistcoded paintcel?

Or was that just us agreeing to it in here and not mentioning it to the rest of the server

5:02 AM

"Paintcel"

Oh no its not a problem, it just reminded me that it was discussed but never acted upon despite mod agreement

5:02 AM

Geese was supposed to announce it but it never happened

5:03 AM

Should get a rough draft of that together or have another write it up, @not the green thing

Zalia @ FWA

is kal inviting his nico friend a problem? is this guy not a bonafied artistcoded paintcel?

Also no clue

Zalia @ FWA

is kal inviting his nico friend a problem? is this guy not a bonafied artistcoded paintcel?

OH no Kal asked me first

Kennyyeen

Should get a rough draft of that together or have another write it up, @not the green thing

You can, I meant to like forever ago

Okay, i'll get something together and post it here for approval

can we ask some people to calm down with AI stuff

Maybe

12:52 AM

I've seen enough overweight orcas to last a lifetime

12:53 AM

If you come up with a hilarious new gen you can post as many as ten files in a single discord message now, but past that it's not funny it's just spam

12:56 AM

Except this one

12:56 AM

https://discord.com/channels/888970103654350949/1094380618722332692/1172278779129901127

12:56 AM

This one is very funny

Hey all, I actually cannot make it to either event this week

1:23 PM

So somebody else needs to commit to hosting both, awa

1:24 PM

Not worried about Group A, not saying he HAS TO but I'm like 70% sure Hopfel would be willing to host it

1

1:24 PM

But Group B needs to be hosted later today

I might mod Mink if nothing turns up

I can attempt it

4:44 PM

I got nothing going on

4:47 PM

Is it just making a drawpile session, or do you like need intimate knowledge of drawpile or something

Can we not show off our CRT in the announcements channel please

5:01 PM

As much as the modern American may feel the societal pressure to needlessly take responsibility for the actions of their long-dead predecessors towards native Americans, the holiday and it's roots are entirely divorced from that period, being exclusively about the British pilgrims from the Netherlands and the good relations and good will they forged with the peaceful tribe that took them in.

Crt?

Critical race theory. "White man bad".

Ah, yeah I don't want politics in my vore

5:03 PM

I couldn't care less about why you don't wanna celebrate said holiday but don't do it here

Year after year this philosophy pulls the holiday of thanksgiving further and further from its roots and perverts it into some sort of murder holiday celebrating colonialism. It's not a meme. We can wish people a good thanksgiving in this server without feeling the need to add that part.

Zalia @ FWA

Year after year this philosophy pulls the holiday of thanksgiving further and further from its roots and perverts it into some sort of murder holiday celebrating colonialism. It's not a meme. We can wish people a good thanksgiving in this server without feeling the need to add that part.

Yeah, that's fair

Also wasn't the American Thanksgiving founded 100 years before anyone even attempted settlement in the Americas? (edited)

5:05 PM

It was a British religious holiday

5:06 PM

Only instead of a feast it was a day of fasting

The pilgrims were the first settlement in the Americas, and they were a band of Christian refugees escaping religious persicution in England.

5:07 PM

The holiday has no roots in religion before that day. It was started to remember and commemorate a (to the modern American) unprecedented relationship of real peace and understanding between Europeans and the American natives

In the 1500s one of the king Henry's declared it an official holiday

5:08 PM

Granted that knowledge is from Wikipedia

If there's history of a holiday known as thanksgiving before then, I'm afraid I'm unaware of it, just of what it's meant to commemorate today.

5:08 PM

Wikipedia is open to edit but not perfectly accurate

Yeah

5:09 PM

The American Thanksgiving is just a pullover from the British Thanksgiving

5:09 PM

The original intent was religious thanks over a good harvest

5:09 PM

The Pilgrims just brought that over

As long as people understand how divorced the concept and practice of thanksgiving is from any historical violence towards natives, I'll feel like I've done my job. We don't get anywhere by twisting and censoring the past, only through understanding it.

I'm also like 90% sure the whole Pilgrams being the poster boy has been upped significantly due to capitalism

5:13 PM

Like Santa and Coca-Cola

5:13 PM

Yes there was a real Saint Nicholas like there were real pilgrams

5:13 PM

But the image today is wildly different than their historical roles (edited)

Of course

5:14 PM

Moreso with Santa I think, the pilgrims really did land here

Pilgrims weren't the only people to celebrate Thanksgiving

Saint Nick never had a supersonic flying sleigh

Doesn't like 70% of the world have their own version of Thanksgiving

5:15 PM

The American one is just a pullover of the UK one

5:15 PM

And Canada being the French pullover (edited)

Zalia @ FWA

Saint Nick never had a supersonic flying sleigh

Sorry, text doesn't carry tone very well. I'm sobbing and blubbering as I say this cause I'm so upset and disappointed (I wanted a ride)

Who renamed this channel

5:23 PM

I don't want eye damage

whoever did it did it like two weeks ago

5:24 PM

and was just waiting for anyone to point it out

Fuck off I would have noticed

5:24 PM

Nothing gets past me

Somebody is hosting Group B in four hours, right?

not me lmao

11:33 PM

I'll do it bud

12:04 AM

No worries

not the green thing

Somebody is hosting Group B in four hours, right?

I just gotta update my Drawpile

I'll tell Mink

2:52 AM

:)

2:52 AM

10 fucking minutes before the drawpile starts... great

@not the green thing

5:43 AM

Question

5:43 AM

How do I end the event

5:48 AM

Nvm

5:48 AM

Event ended

Heads up

4:10 AM

I'm gonna let Aymbord back in the server

4:10 AM

Any reason why he left of was that of his own volition?

4:11 AM

He also mentioned he doesn't want people like, freaking out that he's back

4:11 AM

@not the green thing

4:11 AM

@Hopfel

4:12 AM

@deleted-role

Hell yeah

No issues here!

Let him back in

We are absolutely powerless to keep people from acknowledging his return but I'll promise to not mention it much myself

4:18 AM

Iirc he left because of general vibes of "I don't feel like I fit in" but don't take my word for it

4:18 AM

He's just aymbord He feels what he feels

Imposter syndrome then

4:19 AM

Oki

4:19 AM

He mentioned mental health but I wanted to just make sure it wasn't some bullshit I didn't know about

And I feel like he's the sort of person to make things a big deal in his mind, for example feeling preconceived social stress from people overwelcoming him in the future

4:20 AM

In reality people all around like him, love his art, and want to hang out with him. I do at least

4:20 AM

He just talks about being displeased with his art and comparing himself to others a bit

4:20 AM

iirc

Trite

Any reason why he left of was that of his own volition?

He just felt like he didn't fit

6:53 AM

And that people didn't vibe with him

i feel like the latter wasn't true

8:29 AM

he fit, most of us just don't understand german

I thought it was pretty annoying tbh

8:43 AM

But he understands why now ^^

it was annoying because he didn't seem to get that others didn't know what he was saying sometimes, or thought that the general idea would come across somehow.

8:50 AM

I think i used to do much the same when i was learning spanish in high school, and then i learned that spanish people don't speak english with interspersed spanish for emphasis or cultural flair like they do on television. Nobody language mixes for emphasis, they revert back to their native language when they need the brainpower.

8:52 AM

It's okay to show off that you are learning a language or even practice it with people who speak better than you. But sprinkling it into your speech makes you look clumsy, not cultured and complex.

8:54 AM

I don't project this mentality on Aym. I just think the dunning kreuger effect is super visible when you're learning something communicable like a new language

My problem was that we told him at least ten times a call to speak in English, and then he'd respond in German.

https://tenor.com/bYx8i.gif

Aymbord is inviting a Gryn boi

2:11 AM

He has approval :)

Btw I don't know anything about Gryn, just that he also big artist

2:23 AM

So like, if bad, wouldn't know yet, will take blame though, yadda yadda

gryn is almost like 'green' so i am predisposed to like him

Putting a tentative motion down: what if we renamed #server-discussion to "server questions" or "server question board"

3:55 PM

People use it how it's named- a place to shout out random ideas they'd want to see added with little or no idea about the wider goals and vision. Renaming it might nonverbally say "we have the big stuff figured out but here's where you can chime in and be heard and responded to"

3:56 PM

"server questions" might not even be the best name, replacing with the word 'inquiries' may even sound less specific than that.

4:01 PM

Overall I'm not fond of how the channel is mostly a place for people (one person, a lot) bluntly stating what they want to see added and someone having to explain to them why it's not a good idea or not wanted/needed. I'd much rather people- instead of bringing ideas to fix a supposed problem- used the channel to query admins on if they have thought about something or identify that a need can be fulfilled, at which point the idea can be presented if they have one.

4:02 PM

And I think a different channel name would do most of the work of changing how the channel is used.

that's a good suggestion

4:45 PM

I support it

That's 2 for this idea

5:57 PM

what would be the best channel name?

Server discussion

"Srvr thngs"

i AM GOOD FOR THAT CHANGE

9:57 PM

caps lock

9:58 PM

fine, i'll yell it

GOOD

10:15 PM

So "server questions" or "server discussion"? My opinion is that Discussions feels like it's welcoming more talk whereas Questions encourages more questions directed specifically at admins instead of just voicing random ideas

discussion is more open. Questions feel like a Q&A

My goal for proposing a name change is to passively discourage people suggesting new non-art features we don't need or in some cases, demanding we implement something they think is better. It would instead encourage people to voice ideas as a question, seeing if we would consider it and letting us organically respond and discuss instead of having to reply with an explanation why their idea "is a bad idea"

Framing it in a way that makes rejection less direct is good in my books

Somebody already changed it but my vote still stands

Tomorrow is Kal's birthday

11:27 PM

And I don't know how else to phrase this or celebrate but like

11:27 PM

As much as I can, everyone, I want to make it a Huge Fucking Deal

11:28 PM

Kal has been basically a giant sponsor for the success of this server, the fact that it's gotten a lot more aloof has been my fault and would've been EXACERBATED if not for Chris, Aussy and Kal

11:28 PM

Kal's also been having a rough time of it lately, so

11:28 PM

If anybody has any ideas! I'm all ears! Please!

put me in his ass

11:37 PM

then put him in your ass (edited)

I thought that that already happened

not the green thing

If anybody has any ideas! I'm all ears! Please!

I would give my wallet if I wasn't a mortgage slut now. ;w;

3:07 AM

Anything he has expressed particular interest in recently?

3:07 AM

Non-ass related

Clothes, probably

3:09 AM

Good luck figuring out his style, he's a fashion fanatic, so

3:09 AM

I dunno, anything that shows off his torso is something he'd like I'm sure

Best bet for someone like that would be a gift card for a clothing store

3:10 AM

Personal enough to show you know their interests and loose enough to guarantee they get something they like

"sponsor" for the success of the server?

5:36 AM

Are there suspicious channels of funding you're not telling us about?

Geese they are asking about "the funds", please advise

Zalia @ FWA

"sponsor" for the success of the server?

He's in the VC here more than anybody else (edited)

Passing off "charitable donations" under the table no doubt

My specialty is money laundering, which art exists exclusively to allow

@Zalia @ FWA don't post porn in the memes chat plspls https://vxtwitter.com/lilmooonie/status/1730706121131012523

Oh

5:28 PM

Whoops

It's too hard to keep track of new people coming in and making sure people ask. I'll change it so that only admins can generate invite links... Or, should we wait for something wrong to happen before we change things?

no objection

none here

To which part?

Yee that's fine (edited)

I am fine with admin only links, which I think we are all agreeing on? (edited)

Yeah Admins make and give out links and they have time or user limits

12:17 AM

So at the very least an admin is personally hearing about and oking each new person that joins. We won't have someone who joins and none of us know when they showed up or who brought them.

12:18 AM

Even if they're a complete stranger, one of us will know that this other person that we do know asked for a link and we can connect the dots that way

I gave Spe the invite link for https://twitter.com/OrVideUhOh

8:07 PM

He's here now and you know he's gonna be cool because Spe brought him

Is he the guy that said "glue" .5 seconds after joining

6:45 AM

Yeah I already like him

Never forget

9:53 AM

Our former glory...

If someone could host the Drawpile today that'd be great. And by host, all I'd really need done is for a mod to click "start event" and the beginning and "end event" two hours later, maybe also @'ing people an hour early and at start time if someone doesn't remember to. ":)

But it's Christmas Eve...

Yeah...

4:44 PM

Yeah. :|

I'm like 50 miles from any drawing equipment, cuz I'm with family, lol

4:45 PM

I think a majority of peeps here are too

Okay that's fair, I just wanna make sure that if somebody here doesn't have somewhere to go or somebody to hang out with, they can still have an activity. Two years ago, I had been like that for three years.

4:46 PM

Like, for sure most people are busy, I know.

Can always ask who has nothing going on, and facilitate a special event for them if they're down

4:46 PM

Anyone you know has nothing going on rn?

I guess I don't, awa... . _.

4:47 PM

I can ask in the main chat if'n ye want

Ofc

4:47 PM

Just ask what everyone's got going on

4:48 PM

Casual conversation anyway

Alright, I'm gonna @ Group A at the usual time, an hour early, and elaborate in the message that if not very many people are free, imma just cancel the event

4:53 PM

That seems fair

Yee that's fine

4:54 PM

It's nice you're trying to look out for possibly loney peeps

I talked earlier about having no official group meeting for the holiday but that people who want one can host it themselves?

Zalia @ FWA

I talked earlier about having no official group meeting for the holiday but that people who want one can host it themselves?

I REMEMBER THAT NOW AAA I FORGOT

6:18 PM

Sorry aa

6:18 PM

I shoulda just cancelled but I've already put my cards in on this kinda

Idk :P

6:31 PM

It's not that bad if we officially skip a week but still encourage people to hang out in here

But aside from business, Merry Christmas/Christmas Eve to everyone! Hope ya'll are having fun. :3

Merr chrism

Mera chrimey

Mmer chrmtms

Early happy new years!

Had a request for a second, slightly larger social anxiety room, 4-5 people. Admittedly been, when in social anxiety, clearing with people within the chat the chat and moving people in as long as everyone is comfy. Think we should either raise the current, base one's amount or add a second? I am impartial to either.

This is a bit silly, as people could agree to both 1) not bother the three people who are hanging in SA and 2) just use the normal chat when they want people to join. This feels like a loophole way to make a public chat that excludes people they don't like, potentially?

6:42 AM

But I will always, always be the naysayer and party crasher, so only listen to me for the Worst Case Scenario viewpoint

6:43 AM

I think having two social anxiety channles is better than changing the one or abolishing them altogether, but the challenge is picking which two sizes are the best. It's easier to hit two sizes that people use more than changing the one's limit and still running into issues

6:44 AM

I personally find it sort of uncomfy to have a private channel in a public server that you have to ask to get into because I am 100% never brave enough to ask what they're doing only to learn it's something I shouldn't join in on and I just look nosy

6:45 AM

Oop I typed too much again

Just been talking to a lot of people lately, kinda noticed there are distinctly people who want to be in there cause their social cap is literally 3. Anything beyond that and it is too much. Then people who hop in there because they are tired of there being an influx of others joining to talk to them after their set group is in and 3 doesn't quite provide the flexibility for that more often that not, if that makes sense? I personally don't like the lock out people sorta thing either, but there are some people who genuinely attract more eyes than they are ready for and having a slightly more workeable room might be good.

I could argue that there's private DM calls and personal discord servers for that, but maybe being visible and doing it in here is part of participation, and I get that.

6:58 AM

The fact that they'd rather get together here than in the privacy of their own space shows this place brings people together, regardless

Like I said, indifferent myself, just was brought up by a few people. Initially I said I didn't get the point but figured I would bring it up.

I wish I could subtly encourage more people to use the new VC status more often. It's super useful to put stuff like "just chilling, private group msg to get in and vibe"

6:59 AM

It's like putting a sign on the door

7:00 AM

Its like a freebie for getting that information across and preventing social stumbles like someone like me barging in and having to figure out on my own what the vibe is

7:00 AM

That would almost eliminate the need for a higher cap or second channel imo

Nobody talk about the kalzone

7:55 PM

Nobody enter the kalzone

7:56 PM

It's pizza in there

You will be banned

Bad Pizza

very confusing yet incredibly threatening warning, i will try my best to abide

are we talking about kal's rectum again

Azserfy

are we talking about kal's rectum again

Who isn't

Me ',:\

The urge to ask Cownugget to join this server because he uses drawpile

They seem cool, huge inspiration for me in multiple ways

Why... not invite him?

2:38 AM

:3c What's the worst he could do, join group b?

he could join the group and turn out to be a war thunder player

I could tolerate it if he played air

If they play osu I may cry

Bro is in his 40s (edited)

2:42 AM

And gets a lot of messages already

Why? Playing OSU just means higher likelihood they're the kind of person who draws a dozen little doodles all over the canvas instead of autistically commit to a corner

Cownugget is literally one of the first digital vore artists, and has a lot of people that message him daily, idk if he would have the time of day

Trite

And gets a lot of messages already

Might be a message he cares about! Ok, new worst thing he could do: simply ignore it. And that's not really that bad. He exists! We can still admire from a distance even if he has other things going on, right?

Trite

Bro is in his 40s (edited)

I am aware, remember them making a Twitter post with a selfie like, "I am not a slim vorny twink stop trying to rp" lol

That isn't me speculating either, he tweets a lot about how he "may or may not get back to you within a week depending on the message cuz I get a lot of messages" (edited)

Based Twitter post

Worst thing that can happen is getting ignored

^

2:45 AM

Best thing that can happen is a popular greymuzzle liking our vibe

I mean, he does like my stuff, he follows me and retweets my stuff

2:45 AM

Maybe since I'm a mutual he might take a little credence to my dm

Does me wanting to rub shoulders with cownugget create a conflict of interest with me also wanting to rub shoulders with that gurglegluts guy

2:46 AM

Hmmm...

Zalia @ FWA

Does me wanting to rub shoulders with cownugget create a conflict of interest with me also wanting to rub shoulders with that gurglegluts guy

That person is also pretty pog wish I knew him

Yeah I wish I had the courage to dm them random shit on my phone instead of socializing

2:48 AM

This is a threat

He just seems hella chill

2:49 AM

Dude is experienced enough to not give a shit about drama so he would fit fine here

We kids call that "jaded"

I mean this in the nicest way too

As do I

Bro looks like a rabbit irl so Brent, his rabbit fursona fits really well

You meant that nice way too I hope

He posts selfies of himself a lot on Twitter and he has like a super rabbity face

2:53 AM

Like it's super fitting

"bro looks like a rabbit irl" would have been such a baller insult on Xbox live A badge of honor

There's just people out there that just fit the vibe of their sona's really well, you can look at certain people and just know they're a dog or a cat

2:54 AM

I mean it in a nice way cuz furries

Furries know what's up

Damn

3:03 AM

I'm anxious to message the lad (edited)

I'm hype you up You can do it You are the apex predator of your local environment and your plumage is very bright

I'm pure white

3:08 AM

There's no color on me

I think I did an okay job at my message

3:16 AM

I emphasized there's no pressure if he's not interested, but he might actually know a few peeps here

3:16 AM

We do have Tsavo and Shyguy, though they're not active here, lol.

3:16 AM

He absolutely knows them

"Hewwo erm..............

" I forgor I brought Tsavo in here

You're mutuals with Cownugget too then, lol

3:17 AM

That entire comic Tsavo did of his red panda Breb eating his bunny roommate was Cownuggets rabbit oc, lol

OH

3:17 AM

Okay.

3:18 AM

Breb was why I wanted to just give Tsavo money to draw my lingering OC idea with fairly free range.

3:18 AM

Didn't realize

Yoooo

4:59 AM

Cownugget is gonna join

Did you bring up that we have Mink?

8:42 AM

That feels like the best-sell.

I did actually

9:07 AM

The premise of Cownugget being a drawpile user was the main reason I wanted to bring him in here, because we have the lead dev for Drawpile here, lol

Cownugget

Best announcement of the year so far

Thank you

8:01 AM

CovertCanine invited Augustus, I didn't recognize the name at all and in lieu of looking it up I decided I need to sleep and said it's good

11:45 PM

They want to art so being here is good

11:45 PM

Nini all

Covertcanine?

12:30 AM

Been a while since i last saw him here

Idk who either of those are

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

7:36 AM

Rings a bell

7:36 AM

Haze them the usual way

Dunno who this second schlub is though

Alright, did a bunch of shit without passing it by anybody because I'm a REBEL and the democratic process is really long and boring.

Democracy truly is dead

Rather, if I do anything short-sighted and it's a bad update, everyone should just tell me when I'm trying to do it.

Pure

Democracy truly is dead

It's not dead, just complain. It works how it does in real life, except here, I'm very easy to talk to and a single vote will get me to change how things work.

1

I am teasing Goosums

Mind if I invite an artist I'm mutuals with here?

11:11 AM

Their name is "Tcsrjx"

11:12 AM

You can prolly find them on Twitter under the same name

Tf do you even pronounce that

All back of the tongue

But yeah sure, invite Txlcmzx

Sooo

Awesome name

7:12 PM

Def invite so we can ask how to pronounce it

Give me all of their bones

12:46 AM

Also someone else is gonna have to host Group B again

12:46 AM

Mink is a good guy but I'm starting to feel bad about How Much Of An Admin He Is

12:47 AM

Like by now I'm definitely just gonna shadow-admin him

no objection to that

Good with me.

Isn't he a mod already?

i mean this is the drawpile server

1:55 AM

:C I promise ill come back and host events more often soon

Can't even with you guys

I am thinking about adding https://www.furaffinity.net/gallery/razorkoopa/ Here, they almost entirely do written stories so art on their page is gifted. If anyone is opposed.

Artwork Gallery for Razor_Koopa -- Fur Affinity [dot] net

monstersoffa liquiddragons Unknown_Furs goofurs macrofurries macromicroitalia I'm this :3. vore-furs fatalvorefurs NonFatalVoreFurs ...

I don't oppose

Can we have a food porn channel?

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm that's just chat no?

11:13 PM

makes a food porn channel
posts YCH pictures

Mean for culinary dishes not gastric wishes

My joking comment in the other channel aside

5:32 AM

The discord "new channel" button makes it so we Can have it Our ability to create new channels makes it so we Could have it But the question as with any other entire channel devoted to a specific topic is Should we have it

5:35 AM

While it would be entirely fitting to have a foodie channel in a "vore" art server, since food is art and food is also vore (if you're freaky like that), the two detractors are 1) what's stopping us from just sharing it in chat and 2) culinary art might be a bit of an outlier for this server's knowledge base and harder to engage with

5:37 AM

If we added it (which I don't have a problem with outside of obvious comedic reasons) I'd say we should take it seriously and put it in the art category so it's hopefully used for more "here's something I made at home that's interesting and special and I plated it nice" and less "here is big fast food burger mmmm I'm so hungry it looks so good and I want you guys to know I utterly demolished it after the pic was taken urp"

5:39 AM

Because if it's not meant to showcase some form of intentional art, it can just be put in chat or memes for the interest factor alone

I mean, that, but I feel a little strange encouraging culinary art sooner than I have encouraged, say, musical arts (Yurei) or programming (Anthropy) or game-making (Phoneme). We can! We absolutely can, especially since it already has someone who wants it, my worry is more that it'd have the seldom post before going quickly out of style.

We can encourage all forms of art without needing to make fifty channels for them all to feel fair

6:12 AM

We already have a novice art channel, let's have an unusual art channel.

6:13 AM

We just need a better word than 'unusual' that means, like, "every medium outside the regular kind of art we do here"

6:14 AM

So people with everything from great food to music samples to Warhammer miniatures can post things with a more serious intent than simply sharing a meme and get the same kinds of oohs and ahhs from us plebs as the posts in the sfw and nsfw art channels

Yes

7:48 AM

It's an art let's encourage all the arts

7:49 AM

I just want a place to put my food stuffs cuz I love sharing it and the normal chat just feels weird to put there

Zalia @ FWA

We just need a better word than 'unusual' that means, like, "every medium outside the regular kind of art we do here"

Or just, "other arts" instead of "Unusual arts"

7:51 AM

Oooooor

7:52 AM

Just make a channel that pertains to what people have an interest in doing rather than making a million channels for the off chance someone here does interpretive dance as an art form (edited)

7:52 AM

Just add where needed, and I say a food channel would be nice cuz it would be used

I have become learned in the ways of the community manager

1

6:21 PM

Also I can add a channel for obscurity and art. Maybe even a role... Something something, misc-art? An opt in thing? Or does that defeat the purpose?

I just want a channel for food mang

YEAH FINE just make one, #misc-art

Idea!

9:45 PM

What if "misc-creations" instead of "misc-art"

9:46 PM

I think this name will sort of carry the vibe better A newcomer might look at their pasta and think "well I don't think they'd consider it art"

9:46 PM

But they'll definitely think "oh yeah, I created this so it goes there!"

Sure

Do it Trite do it do it do it

I'm at work

i made (and christened) it

Aaaa

7:08 PM

Part of me really wants to make the drawpile later centered around Anthony cuz it's his birthday but I don't wanna force people to draw him

Would be super cute! I say, trapped 5 hours away from home

YOU draw him and then people can draw him too if they wanna

2:29 AM

Draw a square around a forth of the canvas and make it the Anthony zone

Birthday boy box

I forgot to get Mink to open his server and nobody is around to host, SO if someone wants to open a magma session for it that'd be great, otherwise, awa

I can't host it ATM :c

4:04 AM

Sorry

4:04 AM

Anyone else available right now?

As an unfortunately-none-too-innocent question... How many strikes are against Chris rn?

what happened this time?

He was sort of a pain, not as obnoxious as putting eldritch symbols in every round BUT he did impose "I hate this idea" onto a few individual rounds. Granted, it wasn't any rounds that would've been effected in the grand scheme, it was Icebreaker and Compliment, but like

9:02 PM

There was also a moment where everyone wanted to play Missing Piece but I swerved to Compliment after asking him in particular if he wanted to play and he gave a very "ehh" answer.

9:03 PM

Yurei was also mean about a prompt and ended up leaving the whole game because they felt SO INCREDIBLY BAD ABOUT IT, and then Chris had literally done the same thing in the same round, as it happened. (edited)

-_-

what was the prompt?

this is really lame of him

9:15 PM

i dont remember but it's a lot of strikes by now

9:16 PM

ive talked to him as a friend and also sternly as someone who counts as a mod here

Also, ZALIA, #not-so-evil-art is for novice artists, almost nobody can post there

11:46 AM

Mods can cuz they're mods

11:46 AM

But like, even tutors can only start threads (edited)

UH

3:48 PM

panick

3:48 PM

Okay I won't post there in the future o.o

Love u sorry awawa

To be clear

5:37 PM

You're just telling me not to chatter in there right

5:38 PM

Cause it's the special stage for novice artists and their work to take the spotlight?

Yeah!

6:05 PM

Tutors can make threads when someone asks for help, and I've been meaning to add a @Helper role for when people post their art with something like "Can anybody tell how to fix this/what I'm missing/why this doesn't look right?"

6:06 PM

Still wondering if that's a role that should see the #not-so-evil-art chat

non artist heathen have access right??

No?

6:40 PM

I might make them able to see the chat, but not post. If you want to be a part of that chat you gotta be an artist.

Did my stuff get deleted in the novice art chat?

10:15 PM

I have the tutor role, they were asking for help

10:16 PM

I don't see why discussion can't happen in that channel

10:17 PM

It's just an art place for people who are still newer to art

10:19 PM

If the channel turns into "No one say anything about the art It's only there to showcase newer artists" and no one is allowed to send messages there, it brings back that same pressure the person who would put art there feels to post in the normal art chat

debuting artist don't need to be coddled to this level tbh

10:19 PM

you become good by learning from people who are good

It's sorta unnecessary tbh

unless the idea was to have a "safe space" from talent?

10:20 PM

I mean

It's not taking away any pressure to post here

if seeing people better than you doesn't drive you to get better but instead discourages you (edited)

10:20 PM

an art server isn't the best place to learn

In fact if you give a pedestal for "The people that don't do as well" it adds even more anxiety to the people who think they aren't very good cuz it separates them

10:22 PM

We're all just people who doodle shit man, some of us have just been doing it a lot longer and that's not something to be discouraged by

i think only geese should be allowed to post anything anywhere (edited)

I just feel like the channel sorta gives the vibe of Pat's your head "it's okay you can sit at the kiddie table while the adults talk"

10:24 PM

I don't think the level of someone's art ability needs to make them segregated, lol

i agree with trite

10:25 PM

the idea behind the novice art chat was good but locking it up might not be the way

10:26 PM

of course my opinion can always be revised so I can disagree with whatever zalia will say

I just think it's unnecessary

10:30 PM

Posts art in the novice chat "Awwe, look at the senile little scribbles, that's adorable, you'll get to our level one day!" It feels... demeaning?

well, to be fair, it's not like we're restraining them to the kiddie pool

Yes but to someone who doesn't have a lot of confidence they're gonna end up soft locking themselves into the kiddie pool because "My art will never be good enough for the normal art chat" (edited)

10:35 PM

Especially considering they don't have the confidence to post in the normal art chats in the first place

10:36 PM

Wasn't this server meant for artists of all levels in the first place? Isn't that kinda the whole reason this server is around. Kinda defeats the purpose of making an artist pick their level if this place is meant to let them mingle with all levels

10:40 PM

This is coming from the guy that brought in Nate, who is a rather new artist still, and knowing him and his anxiety, is gonna soft lock himself to the novice chat out of guilt and anxiety rather than seeing it as a safe spot. I'd rather encourage him to just have fun than make it all about your skill

Lot to read in this channel tonight

12:12 AM

And I agree with it

12:13 AM

I had a conversation with a friend about drawpile in my own server just today and I'm gonna copy and paste a relevant paragraph

12:13 AM

"I don't know how to talk about art without making it sound like getting naked in a room full of other people, but it really is kinda all about realizing that in a setting where everyone has their pants down and are comfortable showing their vulnerable side to each other, your shame or lack of confidence in how slow or far behind or unsteady you are at this stuff really doesnt matter. We can all see each other's sketch layers, you really don't need to waste energy worrying about what yours looks like next to mine. I'm gonna draw my doodle right next to yours [in a drawpile] interacting with it or saying a funny line in a speech bubble and our differences are gonna become a much more valuable whole." (edited)

12:15 AM

That's how I think we can best encourage budding artists to come out of their shell and transition into talented hobby or professional artists. By making them learn they don't draw in a vacuum, and familiarizing them with the intimate little private parts of being an artist that they automatically assume are bad, clumsy, or shameful things that should be hidden away.

12:17 AM

I think the reasons we have a novice-only art channel are good and wholesome reasons, but I have to agree with trite and az that the best way to make people draw like confident adult artists is to not allow them to lock themselves into sitting at the kiddy table.

Azserfy

of course my opinion can always be revised so I can disagree with whatever zalia will say

(har har

)

Too much text to read but i vaguely understand it's a group where everyone has their pants down and i can live with that

1:18 AM

It's a good compromise

Wait no no You gotta read it

3:48 AM

As much as I'd love to drop my pants as I lounge around here that can't be the only takeaway

No no no this is very good

7:48 AM

Come on, down with them

6:41 PM

A

Zalia @ FWA

I think the reasons we have a novice-only art channel are good and wholesome reasons, but I have to agree with trite and az that the best way to make people draw like confident adult artists is to not allow them to lock themselves into sitting at the kiddy table.

Yeah okay I agree, I'm just also leaning on Null's sensibilities since he suggested the channel. If being separated Gets Him To Draw More, realistically he's better off separated and with people he'd be more comfortable drawing around-- drawing at all will make you better. If that proves not to be the case and he doesn't draw anyway, than nothingdoing and I agree wholly with your point. Where that ideology exists in a vacuum and can get someome to sit down in an area and draw when they feel ashamed and get them to keep drawing until they aren't ashamed, absolutely it'll help in the long run. What won't help them is making that initial shame get them to sprint in the opposite direction altogether. So, I agree with you! As much as I can. Rn I guess the chat is an experiment. A month from now, Null might still not have drawn anything given these resources, and I'll open up the novice art chat if y'all think that's a better call.

I need the baby pool or gonna dwown... I dunno, like the idea just not the name and self isolating nature. Zero Judgement Posting or something like that might get the point across a bit more..

Is there even a way to make it a "pwz no buwwy me chat" without it being... well. Like. Clearly just that.

Pure

I need the baby pool or gonna dwown... I dunno, like the idea just not the name and self isolating nature. Zero Judgement Posting or something like that might get the point across a bit more..

Yes but is that not the entire point of this server in the first place?

4:02 PM

Zero judgement posting

Honestly have no idea, kinda just something about it that sits weird with me still, but not sure how to voice it and cannot at the moment. Ignore me.

Hey

7:29 AM

Can I invite someone to this server?

7:30 AM

Their name is Elo the hobkin, and they're not a traditional artist, but they're a 3D modeler and 3D animation/content creator

7:30 AM

They have the tools to do 2D art but it's not their forte

No objection

Yes send

12:31 PM

If it fits in the artist roles in #deleted-channel then it's still art.

Wetdishrag DM'd me to ask if they can invite an artist friend to the server. They said their friend wants to join specifically cause they mentioned the events to them

yeah they asked me too (edited)

9:07 PM

I told them to ask you so it was your problem and not mine but evidently this backfired

9:08 PM

who is the friend?

9:08 PM

if they draw i have no objection

They know eachother, at least

9:15 PM

it's not a stranger

9:15 PM

i chjecked

Just a heads up I kicked Anthony from the server, he was never active here anyway

10:00 PM

This isn't a drama thing I promise that, just sort of separating things

who was anthony again

My now ex boyfriend

10:25 PM

Big red fox

ooooh right

10:28 PM

well you have full discretion to deal with this

10:28 PM

are you okay buddy?

No but I'm not gonna make that other people's problem

:(

10:47 PM

anything I can do for you

10:48 PM

we could have a drg session at some point idk

I'm in

If it's needed :c

Any idea who the new reed/yellow person is

4:29 AM

I feel curious for some reason

4:30 AM

Verd invited them without saying anything about it

4:31 AM

(I would have said something at the time, like casually asked if they were here for the drawpiles, but thought better of it)

@not the green thing did you remove that problematic picture in the oc chat?

10:32 PM

Driving and getting a lore dump

Uhhh

10:33 PM

I took care of it?

10:33 PM

Did you also get texted about it? Nobody else do anything, it's fixed now.

10:33 PM

Please don't message everyone.

I didn't, just felt relevant to this channel

I took it up with the person who invited them so that they could approach more delicately, and it's supposedly fixed now, so all's well

I did get messaged and had no context

what happened?

Right now, there's no context necessary. Be on the look out for things that could possibly include minors or politics, I guess, but like again, whatever WAS a problem was solved by a third-party.

I'll also give a transparent update when I'm not in a bad mood . _.

10:50 PM

Sorry about that Az, I'll get screenshots

np geese

ALRIGHT SO

11:27 PM

I made a mistake, or some kind of misjudgement, I've been moody and aloof lately. More than usual. If there is a usual.

11:29 PM

Smol joined the server, and it was through Kink. Love Kink, his friends are my friends, he joined the call and did all the Group A stuff, people seemed to like him, I didn't hear anything bad but also couldn't join this week so I don't personally have a vibe check. I'll have to check with someone else.

11:30 PM

Smol, however, had made a post #deleted-channel that is/was a problem.

11:33 PM

The mistake I made was ignoring it. It didn't sit right with me but my genuine instinct was to ignore it at the time, I didn't want to make it a problem. Unfortunate mistake though-- only about just now, then, a less-than-savory picture was there.

11:33 PM

I'll repost it here cos same-page shit, y'know?

11:34 PM

Hold on while I gather my screenshots...

11:39 PM

Alright, here's the picture. It has ONE really awful quirk:

SPOILER

rrrright

11:41 PM

I remember that one

I was messaged by Rhodesy today, however many of 24 hours worth of people clicking #deleted-channel saw it too, it's... Well, it is what this is. Rhodesy called for me to make a change, I took it up with Kink.

11:41 PM

Here is that conversation:

i did get stuck on it for a few seconds and had to blink a few times

Azserfy

i did get stuck on it for a few seconds and had to blink a few times

I literally did the same thing and just... I dunno man, I guess I assumed what would happen would happen? Maybe I'm used to the moderation team not including me for servers I'm in.

kept going back from this to this

Azserfy

kept going back from this to this

THE SENTENCES IN CONJUNCTION ARE BAD TOO

yeaaaaah

Okay but

11:43 PM

Shut up (nicely (love you Az))

not the green thing

Click to see attachment 🖼️

But this is how I dealt with it

i'm agreeing with you you green cheese fuck

YOU ARE SUSHI AND YOU WILL ACT LIKE IT

11:44 PM

not the green thing

But this is how I dealt with it

In my head though, that's all this problem, like... Wrapped up.

11:46 PM

BUT

11:46 PM

24 hours worth of people saw it, which is bad medicine, AND I don't actually have a locus on how Smol is like as a person.

11:47 PM

Realistically, my instinct is to just make the problem as small as possible, but I don't want server people witch-hunting if there isn't a witch, but I also clearly don't want minors or minor-adjacents.

11:49 PM

So I'm opening whatever floor for how it should be handled further, if it should be, I just want to make sure it's synchronized.

11:53 PM

If anything. Sorry. I don't really know what I'm doing and I haven't been in the best of sorts lately.

you're doing good

Pure can probably elaborate on more of the social issues because they're just, beyond me.

11:56 PM

I dunno, I don't know how to quell a rumor-mill either, I don't want to not address concerns people have BUT I want Smol to not be embarrassed into dust if it was just a mistake AND I don't want people to overthink it if the only update that happens is the offending post gets deleted.

i'm kinda still a bit eeked out tbh

To Smol's discredit, this is a really hard thing to call a mistake no matter the context, but to his credit, this is also technically Kink's problem. He took it on, soz, dunno. (edited)

Azserfy

i'm kinda still a bit eeked out tbh

This is my thoughts rn

11:57 PM

Someone else talk

11:58 PM

sorry driving

11:59 PM

keep in mind this argument gives more benefit of the doubt than I personally hold

i'm with geese here

12:00 AM

how on god's green earth can this be an oopsie

12:01 AM

you have to draw your character's crotch bulge in spandex with your pen (edited)

12:01 AM

then write "13" with the same pen

12:01 AM

i'd support action tbh

My stance as well

inaction is being complicit

1

Cultural differences is not a good excuse

Can someone talk to Kink then? Just, one, a volunteer to get a bigger picture about it.

Okay, parked: My thoughts are, at a basic level, even giving EVERY benefit of the doubt, it has reached the point where either we need to remove them or directly defend them. I will not defend any aspect of that behavior, I personally don't like any aspect of that, and I encourage no one else to risk directly protecting someone preying upon kids. (edited)

12:20 AM

My further thoughts are we don't NEED to run it by Kink if their friend fucked up, which they did

Then go to Smol first, I'm definitely not in the position to do it because moody and my only personality trait here is drama making me shut down

We are allowed to pull the plug on an issue without reporting it to literally everyone ajacent.

Someone told me the word "fixed" soz

12:22 AM

That's fine

12:22 AM

Just do smthn

I will take care of it. Understand that my taking care of it WILL remove them from chat

12:24 AM

Going to empty my luggage, if there are any objections, please.

Can you like

12:24 AM

At the bare minimum

12:24 AM

Talk to them

I am going to, but I would be lying if I said anything beyond a revelation would say me on this. Again, I will be speaking on behalf of us, so, if there are objections I do want to hear them. This isn't my call to make alone.

Okay, we had Sharkstuff join and leave the server on somebody reminding them about them posting a belief they no longer have from years ago

This is unrelated

12:32 AM

Genuinely

12:32 AM

Entirely

12:33 AM

This was posted here

One of our close friends made a joke in extremely poor taste and got so cancelled from the internet that they changed their entire identity

12:33 AM

Sorry, I meant two of them

12:33 AM

Probably more

12:33 AM

I'm not disagreeing about the gravity or the punishment

My point is, even with the benefit of the doubt, it comes down to either: Banning Or defending their right do do what they did

12:34 AM

What they say doesn't change that

12:35 AM

Take the complications out, take the emotions out. Two choices.

Ah yes, I love me a black and white universe

12:36 AM

A good old yes-and-no leading-the-witness style simplicity

There were alternatives, we are beyond that. Sometimes no answer is "right", but something has to be done. We can discuss the unfair nature of life and philosophical beliefs outside of the context of people being uncomfortable about potential fucking child predation

Alright then do whatever

Sorry, that was meaner than I meant. Genuinely though, making every conflict more complicated than it needs to be is bad. We aren't here to rewrite social constructs, just to be a place where people feel safe.

12:40 AM

I do want at least one more go ahead with my current approach before I message.

I'm gonna be real

12:41 AM

I understand

12:41 AM

I get it, I also sorta want results

12:41 AM

But to that extent, I don't want to be involved in that final decision then

I will take care of it, then. I will give them a chance to state their case before I do, and update Kink.

Feel like it's pretty easy to say "no we don't agree with this and don't endorse this here"

12:50 AM

"we don't encourage advertising other discord servers here, and we strictly disallow any and all involvement with, inclusion of, and catering to minors."

Checked their FA, has cub art, seems relevant.

Yeah okay

12:52 AM

Also don't misclick Riku

12:52 AM

His nickname in the server is also Smol

We have more than just this person's feelings to protect. We should be able to tell this person that since they have made this information known to us, they are no longer a fit for the principles we uphold in our hangout and that we strongly condemn this.

12:53 AM

If not outright ban this.

I am going to tell them we have every intention to ban.

12:53 AM

Already talking

Sorry smol! There are things other than being nice involved with the privilege of hanging out in a social space, and one of them is the appropriateness of the content you produce.

12:55 AM

The nicest person in the world can still draw stuff and interact with others in a way that forces us to take a stance. Because knowing and doing nothing would be our wrong.

I have shifted my position drastically

12:55 AM

Their oldest kink-based art on FA is from November 2022 and their Discord bio claims to be 18. (edited)

OH

12:55 AM

GOOD POINT

12:56 AM

I will send the last message now

12:56 AM

And ban

12:56 AM

Myself

So they were underage and drawing fetishes? Hrm

...... yeah....

12:56 AM

I mean, I just

Please don't be gentle when it comes to people trying to be sexual with minors, there's no mistake, don't associate with those people

I wouldn't trust that, that's a LOT of red flags suddenly rather than one BIG one on a summit.

I really hated you saying "well maybe it was a slip" Geese, there's no slips when it's shit you draw, that's full knowledge

As long as it's like. Two things. Yeah. Problems.

I'm not gonna be gentle with someone who wants to allow that

This is just one of those things I guess. "No offense, but we're offended :3" Better to be harsh on a few than lenient with everyone, you can't be perfectly tolerant all the time with everything!

YEAH sorry

12:57 AM

I'm realizing now that like

12:57 AM

I'm a lil incompetent, here

12:58 AM

I just, can't do drama

12:58 AM

Sorry everyone

Just

12:59 AM

Really don't be lenient when it comes to shit like this

12:59 AM

That's when MAPs happen

1:00 AM

Are you really gonna be someone who will be soft on potential pedophilic behavior?

Banned

I KNOW I KNOW I'M SORRY My instinct is 100% of the time believing someone has good intentions, which is, like... Guh, yeah, sorry

Logs for record

Think about what they did and not what they might be doing

I know I know guh

Actions speak louder than words

Pure

Checked their FA, has cub art, seems relevant.

Yikes.

1:01 AM

Nukem.

Like really dude

1:02 AM

Gotta take a hard line at some point, otherwise you're gonna find yourself in a situation where you're defending pedophilic behavior

1:02 AM

I know they're from another country but when it comes to the internet, country law doesn't matter, internet law dictates 18

1:02 AM

That's an actual thing

These problems are rampant within the furry community and i do not want to be part of them

Again, the internet has different laws than countries, and the legal age is 18 for sexual content on the world wide web (edited)

There is a time and place for nuiance, this ain't it.

1:05 AM

Beyond that, I would rather not keep piling on Geese.

1:06 AM

I think he understands more than he can express at this moment. (edited)

Them barely being adult makes it slightly less bad as they aren't like, 30 yo grooming minors, but here's the hot take If you aren't mature enough to realize this is fucked up, you don't belong in a porn space, even if you are 18. (edited)

1:07 AM

Excuse fucked up autocorrect

Oh I was just commenting on what Smol said in your DM's Pure

1:08 AM

Internet is different regardless of country

I'd avoid making a call out post, though

1:08 AM

Don't think it would do a lot of good, unless not doing so puts people in danger

Should we post summat still being like

1:14 AM

"Reminder: No minors! You will be mega banned. You will be out of the community." Or is that. In bad taste. Like, drawing attention to it.

"Anything even remotely related to/furthering child endangerment is an immediate ban."

1:16 AM

A new all encompassing rule

Acknowledging it is fine, it makes a reminder so it's more likely this won't happen again As long as you aren't like "Ayo this fucking whore [insert name, address and SSN] just posted this egregious bullshit, bully the fuck outta them" then it's fine

1:16 AM

It's not like said person is here to get offended, and if they do get offended, fuck off, it's not a subject to be treated lightly

not the green thing

I just, can't do drama

Hey! You are okay. You are the kind of person who constantly avoids conflict and takes actions to smooth out situations. It's only natural to be more passive even in situations other people would find urgent. It's not a bad trait, but it's good to be part of a team. You might not be so quick to drama as others and that's good as long as you recognize when the situation calls for it and cede the situation to someone who does want to handle drama.

1:17 AM

I don't think it's incompetent. (edited)

You don't have to be the one to do anything either Geese, we can make announcements too

1:18 AM

You aren't the only person who can do something

1:18 AM

We more just ask for your permission

Yeah don't stressy We have a mod channel so we can talk and properly divy up action/discussion

If you don't wanna do anything then just tell us to

I talked to Pure about revamping the mod team somehow I don't have any ideas about any of it, not really any specific ways to make it better or worse or who to replace or with who In reality I think I'm the weak link here

That's fine if you wanna wash your hands of it, it's understandable

Yeah you guys uh

1:19 AM

You're more qualified

1:19 AM

I'm just gonna like

1:19 AM

Eat all this muddafuggin chocolate

Conversation continued, done after this.

Zalia and Pure you guys are the ones good at wording, just either of you make a little announcement to remind the server this stuff isn't good and to double check who you invite

I'm gonna grab you by your stupid head geese and arararar with love on your ears (with my teeth) You're not a weak link you're a passive logician A thinker, someone who probably visualizes worst case scenarios and constantly second guesses things often. Those sound like bad things at first but it has to be someone's job to warn about reprocussions for being too hasty or remembering and reminding about the impact of the actions a team takes.

Sorry but I'm not buying anything this dude is saying, Pure you mentioned he's drawn cub shit, I'm not really comfy keeping this guy in the server, we shouldn't associate with this either

I can handle it if ya'll like. Though, at the moment an announcement isn't the MOST urgent.

Yeah it's nothing urgent

Trite

Sorry but I'm not buying anything this dude is saying, Pure you mentioned he's drawn cub shit, I'm not really comfy keeping this guy in the server, we shouldn't associate with this either

They are already banned

Good

This is just me being forthcoming

Trite

Sorry but I'm not buying anything this dude is saying, Pure you mentioned he's drawn cub shit, I'm not really comfy keeping this guy in the server, we shouldn't associate with this either

That is a big red flag tbh

I will draft something soon, if that is okay with everyone?

Ye

I would have worded my side of the conversation differently had it been me talking with this fellow. Glad it wasn't, but I have experience with this sort of thing. Sometimes someone just comes from a place or spends time in circles where they don't understand. They don't see why it is like it is, don't grasp the problem. Some people really are like that, even if really malicious and insidious people feign the exact same moral ignorance.

I wasn't the most careful, but just finished a 10 hour drive and already knew my end goal of the conversation.

When it comes down to it tho what matters is making it clear and focusing on the fact that This Place takes a moral stand on this stuff, regardless of anyone's opinions or agreed on moral "correctness" in the outside world.

1:28 AM

It sounds weird to point out but there are HUGE groups of people out there who don't have the same views about the age of consent, what it means to be a minor, and the appropriateness of involving younger people just because "they're already familiar with sex stuff".

1:28 AM

And it's just not worth the energy trying to convince these folks

1:30 AM

It's really just best to let them know they're not welcome, it's not an informality or matter of opinion, we just straight up can't condone this- and leave them on the curb to figure out why on their own, if they're not one of the gross people who already know

Also should point out because somehow it feels weird? Smol's a girl, like, for sure

Don't care

Dunno that it matters now but y'know

1:31 AM

Anyway sorry

1:31 AM

Back in the sand

SORRY THAT WAS MEAN

1:31 AM

Ummm, I just don't really worry too much about details not relevant to the issue

1:32 AM

Limited Pure braincells

I get the feeling she's spent her whole teen childhood in an environment that's minor-positive and the sex stuff just snuck in Like so many other people I've seen No outside information or healthy adult guidance teaching why this is bad. How it's not inclusive, it's actively harmful.

1:32 AM

But That's me making a judgement I probably shouldn't do that lol

I suffered through it too, but wrecked my psyche. Going nowhere close to that behavior.

Zalia @ FWA

It sounds weird to point out but there are HUGE groups of people out there who don't have the same views about the age of consent, what it means to be a minor, and the appropriateness of involving younger people just because "they're already familiar with sex stuff".

Again, internet laws are different than country or regional norms

Regardless, if people don't understand "This puts Americans, the main people you talk to, in prison.", their fault.

Zalia @ FWA

I get the feeling she's spent her whole teen childhood in an environment that's minor-positive and the sex stuff just snuck in Like so many other people I've seen No outside information or healthy adult guidance teaching why this is bad. How it's not inclusive, it's actively harmful.

Yeah, I grew up in that environment with my mother, she literally took me to Orgies and dropped me off just outside of where they happened and would go into great detail about what she did. I'm just lucky I had my dad's side of the family to show me that wasn't normal or good, and it's one of the many reasons I'm no contact with my mother

1:45 AM

Shit sucked

Yeah holy shit

It's a very hard line I draw because it happened to me

1:47 AM

I fucking hate it

1:47 AM

So yeah, excuse me if I'm not mincing words or buying anything Smol is saying because their actions are speaking a lot louder

I mean, everyone is agreeing now.

Trite

Yeah, I grew up in that environment with my mother, she literally took me to Orgies and dropped me off just outside of where they happened and would go into great detail about what she did. I'm just lucky I had my dad's side of the family to show me that wasn't normal or good, and it's one of the many reasons I'm no contact with my mother

You win Oh my god I'd ask if you are okay but I know that's not a relevant question :c

1:50 AM

But yeah agree with trite 100%

It's not a pissing competition

It's still shocking

We just need to have a line

"As a server, any instance of minor endangerment/abuse is an instant removal from the server. This includes any act of adding a minor to this chat (Anyone younger than 18, no exceptions) and any behavior that directly puts minors in harm's way. Adding a minor also puts the person sponsoring them at risk, so please do research prior to recommending anyone to the chat. Please conduct yourself accordingly. There is no discussions or nuiances when it comes to child endangerment." (Should we elaborate that out of server behavior is reportable? Or just leave that up to assumption?) (edited)

No matter what, I don't want to start a witch-hunt

2:00 AM

I think we should be bland about the stance that it bad, but I don't think we should allude to the idea that there COULD BE FURTHER THINGS WRONG

2:01 AM

The ideal is that we feel safe here, even though we're technically only as safe as pretty much any other community.

Got it. I think being unclear and no necessarily discouraging or encouraging it is the right choice.

Pure

"As a server, any instance of minor endangerment/abuse is an instant removal from the server. This includes any act of adding a minor to this chat (Anyone younger than 18, no exceptions) and any behavior that directly puts minors in harm's way. Adding a minor also puts the person sponsoring them at risk, so please do research prior to recommending anyone to the chat. Please conduct yourself accordingly. There is no discussions or nuiances when it comes to child endangerment." (Should we elaborate that out of server behavior is reportable? Or just leave that up to assumption?) (edited)

Should add in the specific age of 18 lest anyone try to pull the "but in my country" trick

2:16 AM

Again, internet has their own laws

Trite

Should add in the specific age of 18 lest anyone try to pull the "but in my country" trick

Got it

Pure

"As a server, any instance of minor endangerment/abuse is an instant removal from the server. This includes any act of adding a minor to this chat (Anyone younger than 18, no exceptions) and any behavior that directly puts minors in harm's way. Adding a minor also puts the person sponsoring them at risk, so please do research prior to recommending anyone to the chat. Please conduct yourself accordingly. There is no discussions or nuiances when it comes to child endangerment." (Should we elaborate that out of server behavior is reportable? Or just leave that up to assumption?) (edited)

Leave it up to inference. It's not about what happens in this server, it's who is in this server. Conduct is the keyword.

3:36 AM

This isn't a "see something say something" or "report your fellow server members for thought crimes" situation, it's a "this is how we run our place and the conduct and character we expect members to uphold"

3:37 AM

But yeah to add what trite says discord specifies 18. We're on discord, we follow the rules of the platform. Full stop. Country legal age doesn't matter, this isn't their country.

Zalia @ FWA

Leave it up to inference. It's not about what happens in this server, it's who is in this server. Conduct is the keyword.

Edited, everyone good with this?

I'm good with it

Just a heads up, I'm gonna be inviting Nate's boyfriend Sam, he's been a good friend of mine for years and he doodles as well (edited)

A good pupper

Im

3:24 AM

I'm on mobile

3:24 AM

Is there a way to add stickers to the server

3:25 AM

I feel like this would be a good fit

Zalia @ FWA

Click to see attachment 🖼️

This guy is a fucking legend, I need everyone to understamd how much I respect this guy

Who

Mr \

I can't add it as a sticker because it needs to get compressed

5:44 PM

Its too big

HECK

Just a heads up

12:37 AM

Resteq made a Twitter account for diaper stuff...

12:38 AM

I asked them about it and they explicitly stated they aren't into Adult baby stuff or baby/cub stuff, just a weird niche regarding specifically vore, disposal, and diapers

12:38 AM

But just... keep an eye on them

12:38 AM

It's sus to me but mainly cuz of the possible connotations

12:39 AM

I don't think there's an issue but I'm definitely not trying to associate with that stuff

yikes

12:39 AM

diapers

Yeah, I mean, never really met anyone into diapers who didn't have it bridge into darker waters. I may not fully understand, it at all, but like... I feel like the appeal of diapers generally roots itself in foulplay. Regardless, will keep an eye on it. (edited)

I mean, I can see it being in a similar realm to me having a thing for wetsuits and vore, it's an apparel thing

12:41 AM

But at the same time I agree with that Pure, it's really risky waters

12:42 AM

It just rubs me the wrong way

12:42 AM

I can send screenshots of the conversation if you want, it's rather brief

I mean, wet suits/anything skin-tight suits the body deformation aspect... I just feel like it falls under something slightly different when it is deliberately a diaper. Again though, technically nothing wrong done just yet within our rules, but gonna have to keep tabs.

I just wanna go on record saying while I did invite them here, I don't actually know Resteq that well, I talked to them for like two days on Twitter and invited them here cuz another artist and I liked how their art looked

12:48 AM

12:50 AM

They were pretty blunt about it not being related to anything cub or baby, I'm just suspicious

12:52 AM

I guess there's nothing wrong but I don't wanna associate with that, Imma just drift from this individual...

I'm gonna bark at them if they post that stuff here

12:56 AM

I wouldn't even want regular disposal posted here, let alone diapers

12:56 AM

It's been pretty nice having this place be pretty casual when it comes to vore, almost plausible deniability if it's vore centered or not.

12:57 AM

Things like a character with bloody teeth or sitting on the toilet have been momentary passing posts of passion instead of an artist member who draws it posting it regularly and considering this place an audience for that kind of stuff.

12:57 AM

And I've liked that

12:58 AM

People can have as many sides to themselves as they like, but my preference would be for this place to keep itself mild, friendly, and wide in scope- a place that's not appropriate to show off certain sides.

1:00 AM

This only serves to feed my confirmation bias that the cutest artists have the strangest interests. I've gotten along well with resteq!

I can make a note for them to not post that stuff here

1:01 AM

I just don't fuck with that stuff in general, she can have that side to her, I just prefer to leave people like that alone though

I don't touch that stuff with a nine foot tail

1:02 AM

Or a ten foot pole

Like yeah technically it's not "wrong" but it's just really fucking weird and don't wanna associate

1:02 AM

Not to mention it's a sketchy as line

1:02 AM

Hence, keep an eye on them...

People have the right to enjoy what they want in the world of fantasy but that doesn't mean I want it anywhere near me, considering most people make their fantasy everyone else's deal

Yeah

Agreed, overall. It is a very thin line between kink-shaming and people deliberately getting as close to illegal and uncomfortable as they can. As it stands, JUST diaper is fine as long as it isn't posted in here. Probably for the best for them anyhow, considering it led to us talking about it and would hate for it to become a court of public opinion. Still, if it goes even one step past that I think we all agree on the solution lol.

Yeah

Can I just say

2:48 AM

Diaper fetish =/= pedophilia

2:49 AM

Like, I know enough people who are into the diaper fetish, I've gotten the quirks of it explained to me like three different times

2:49 AM

Because I ask those questions

2:49 AM

Equating those two is like equating being a furry and bestiality (edited)

2:50 AM

Like-- no, not really, but it can look that way for sure

Still bro, I don't fuck with it, some shit is weird, that's too much for my taste

That's fair. We're gonna have the scat NSFW discussion here again if it was ultimately left up to me I think. In my head, though, I'm like... there should be a spot for everyone to post their art, even if its art variety that the individual person isn't inclined towards... BUT I'm defaulting to the majority vote and Hopfel has talked about how making a space for it allows it to leak around, so... Let's not fuck with it, sure.

Trite

I asked them about it and they explicitly stated they aren't into Adult baby stuff or baby/cub stuff, just a weird niche regarding specifically vore, disposal, and diapers

I just do want to point out this line of reasoning and say... yeah, let the man be into diapers. Again, this is a conversation a conservative would have to his friends when he invites his furry friend: "Listen guys, he's a furry but he ATTESTS that he's not into bestiality, maybe we can keep an eye on him."

2:55 AM

I'm usually the person giving people the benefit of the doubt, but like, this time around, it feels like the obvious stance. (edited)

not the green thing

Diaper fetish =/= pedophilia

If any of us believed that diapers meant immediate pedo in the way you are framing our discussion, then we would not even be having this conversation. (edited)

Pretty sure being a furry is a bigger mental jump from liking cartoon animals to beastiality. Unlike diapers and baby stuff, I feel like there's a reasonable jump there

2:58 AM

But regardless, we're all just touting the same horn here

I think it is still worth keeping an eye on people who may even remotely be skirting a comfort red flag for server members. Which we all seem to agree on. (edited)

not the green thing

Diaper fetish =/= pedophilia

we are all aware

4:27 AM

pedo = bad

4:27 AM

diaper = just weird

4:27 AM

vore also = weird but vore = mutual interest diapers =/= mutual interest

4:28 AM

therefore the odd one gets voted off the island

Okays

i think i replied to this an HOUR TOO LATE

4:33 AM

SORRY

I took bath......

4:40 AM

I was gonna come back to do VR with Trite and Pure but then I did eats and chores and now bath comfy.....

2

4:40 AM

Help...........

melt in the bath

Hot

I finally banned Aymbord.

10:24 PM

He didn't do anything specific, but there was just so many stacking factors and eventually it just became like... an uncomfortable community, because of him being here.

10:24 PM

Sorry about that.

?

He would specifically join calls that I wasn't in and there have been too many reports of him making new people upset. He kept being on the edge of being banned, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't WAITING for him to get a third strike so I had a reason to ban him. Realising this, there really wasn't a reality where he wasn't gonna get banned, so. I just. Pre-empted whatever problem was gonna occur.

10:27 PM

I really, really believe nobody didn't see it coming.

this is a surprise

10:37 PM

and at the same time it isn't

10:37 PM

aymboard isn't a bad person but he is certainly a character

I would've not done it, but like, when a certain number of people complain about the same specific person... buh.

it's a valid reason

10:45 PM

if you're just waiting for a third strike you know will happen you might as well prevent it completely

I guess I haven't had enough aymbord exposure to know what this is all about All I had him pegged for was the slightly irritating wanting to be German thing but I hadn't heard him talking to a VC full of English speakers in German in quite some time (lel)

It was more attention-seeking and clout-wanting

Has anyone actually told him/given him a chance to improve? If yes and he still kept going then ban makes sense

Hopfel

Has anyone actually told him/given him a chance to improve? If yes and he still kept going then ban makes sense

He specifically dislikes me and isn't really interested in being in this chat if it's not to interact with people like Kalnareff or Kink, it seems like.

6:43 AM

So, no, but he's also a reason I look through these chats a lot. I've joined VC before specifically to make sure Aymbord isn't talking over everyone else in call or being overbearing to a larger artist-- neither thing makes the server very fun.

6:44 AM

I dunno how to approach him about it anyway. Nobody I could think of to ask, and he specifically hates me.

I'm literally sitting right here

If you wanna take it, it's all yours. x -x

When the gurken got beef (edited)

Well it's done now, he's gone

No I mean, he was already banned.

But as someone sort of uninvolved I could have like, popped into his dms asking him if he was only here to rub shoulders with big artists. Maybe he could have become more self aware if he learned he sort of talked over everyone and flaunted a lack of social tact?

6:53 AM

I don't mind being blunt. I'm kind of an idiot.

Hopfel

When the gurken got beef (edited)

I might have talked too much about religion around him. My defense is that, Christians should expect to hear as much about other people's religions as they talk about their own.

6:53 AM

But that's really tough to just suddenly appeal to.

Zalia @ FWA

But as someone sort of uninvolved I could have like, popped into his dms asking him if he was only here to rub shoulders with big artists. Maybe he could have become more self aware if he learned he sort of talked over everyone and flaunted a lack of social tact?

Yeah sorry, I might have been hasty.

But you did solve the problem, technically in the least abrasive fashion!

I'm just kinda tired.

6:56 AM

I'm not gonna yell at a group of people complaining about one guy, normally I would, but then I also have beef with the one guy.

6:56 AM

Like I'm not even immune.

6:58 AM

I dunno. I had pressure. It made sense at the time. Maybe I am losing my touch.

6:59 AM

Y'all should do the things.

Just not amazing if the complaints never reach the person they're about, because they'll just think everyone is conspiring against them. It's of course a hard conversation to have sensibly.

To be entirely fair, he created a system by which a lot of people did have his name in their mouths, just in infamy.

Hopfel

Has anyone actually told him/given him a chance to improve? If yes and he still kept going then ban makes sense

I had a couple talks with him a while ago

7:20 AM

I do think he improved afterwards, notably on the speaking over people in german thing

7:20 AM

But that was a couple months ago

Aight good! Yeah I noticed the improvement too, as little as we were in the same call

7:23 AM

Attention seeking behaviour is much harder to just rewire yourself on, tbf. As long as he got a chance and knows why he's banned I'm good!

I can talk to him tomorrow or something, but I do think I was hasty in it. I got caught up in a groupthink moment. I want to at minimum apologize, but I also don't want to just sweep it under the rug as all a mistake by doing that. There are things he did a lot that made things uncomfortable. Sometimes, #no-mic gets flooded with his art and I have to wonder which big artist he was flaunting to.

7:59 AM

It's just a lot to throw his way at once.

I fell to groupthink
Three step apology, always
Yes, to that extent, there're consistent people who find your behaviour a little (lot) problematic
You gotta be kinda different, yeah
Also I'm not enthusiastic about the prospect of just unbanning you

8:00 AM

He already doesn't like me, and sending him all of THAT as a single pill to swallow would make him even crazier.

8:01 AM

Like the easiest line for him to pull there is 100%, "Geese is just being a classic asshole, all of this was perpetrated by him," and it would feel like the most sane option for him to think that. (edited)

-You aren't the soul arbitrator, stop putting the responsibility and blame only on you -Stop being gentle with your points on why someone is being problematic because they either won't get it, or will twist and abuse what you say -If "different" is referring to Autism, you really gotta stop thinking that Autism is an excuse for anything, it's not -You don't have to unban him. Sure maybe he gets the hint and get's better, but it's a lot more likely that since, for one, I'm sure you've mentioned this stuff to him at least once before and he didn't take a hint, he's just gonna keep doing it and it's not gonna be a solved problem, not to mention he won't feel welcome back at all

8:06 AM

If he does pull that line, say it was a group decision, because it was

8:09 AM

I didn't have any say, yeah it was a fuck up, no mods were consulted here, but don't think it was only you

:[ I think I was just taking it extra hard because it's so late and ye shall not trust thine own intuition after 10 PM

I just realized you meant different as him changing

Trite

I just realized you meant different as him changing

Yeah I wouldn't use Autism as an excuse for shitty behaviour nor describe it as "different" Except in the context of Fantastic Mr. Fox

Just know if you invite him back I am going to moderate his behavior, because I myself have expereinced his nepotistic, parasocial behavior firsthand, I'm sure a few of us have (edited)

8:14 AM

I don't appreciate him only trying to talk to me and ignoring all of my friends in a call because I'm the only one with a dumb ass number to my name

8:14 AM

I will call him out on it, and I think we all should moderate that, it goes against what this server was made for: People of all skills coming together to just chill

8:16 AM

I still think the Novice art chat is really detrimental to that goal still btw

8:16 AM

Literally no one uses it either

I can send a message his way

You're not alone Geese

8:19 AM

Grabs your snout like a hamburger

8:19 AM

And stop letting Kal hype you up to do dumb shit

8:20 AM

We're a team for a reason

Trite

And stop letting Kal hype you up to do dumb shit

PURE WAS THERE TOO

8:22 AM

I'm dragging him in, prepared to get comeuppance stitches for doing some snitching

Hopfel

Attention seeking behaviour is much harder to just rewire yourself on, tbf. As long as he got a chance and knows why he's banned I'm good!

I really think calling him out when it occurs is, albeit rough, a good solution to rewire it fast, especially since a lot of people here already have preconceived notions of how he is

Trite

I still think the Novice art chat is really detrimental to that goal still btw

YEAH, I mean I'd agree, but can you talk to Null about that directly? I know he appreciates its existence, but I dunno.

Is he the only person who it was made for?

Trite

Grabs your snout like a hamburger

Also, continue to do things to Geese like he is hamburger. I'm sleep for tonight, gotta early class tomo, will think more about this later. Nin

Cuz if it was that was just straight up validating an insecurity because dude is a good artist

Trite

Is he the only person who it was made for?

Kiiiiiiiinda but we'll talk more about this tomo awawawawa

I'll talk to Null about it

8:25 AM

Sleep well BeefGeese

not the green thing

PURE WAS THERE TOO

I mean, this is fair, but again, I avoided interactions after the thing I told you about last month and my big red flag was the fact that Clay, who never really talked to anyone about their opinion of Aym prior and seemed to be enjoying chat, had multiple directly bad experiences with him and has decided to back out from VCs mostly. Just seeing someone entirely new still come to the same uncomfy conclusion was not great.

While the topic is on nepotism, I'll just drop it here One of the reasons why I'm never in gartic phones anymore is that there are ~3 characters that get drawn all the time and who often prompt/draw each other

11:48 AM

Nothing wrong with them doing that, and with the fact everyone likes drawing them, but it does mean 80% of the participants are virtually invisible

11:53 AM

It does make the activity less enjoyable

Oh, not sure if I ever put it into text, but the parasocial behavior that I and a few others had noticed had been tied to whenever a larger artist was in VC he would essentially stream his own portfolio. Intentional too, since I had been in the call with Geese and Kalnaref and the moment Geese left he essentially started streaming his entire art log, a lot of, "I drew this person doing this", basically, came off as a very disingenious way of listing off contacts and had a very "this could be your character if you talk to me" air around it. Of course, couldn't talk over him really either. Just was generally really uncomfortable and left within minutes.

Azserfy

While the topic is on nepotism, I'll just drop it here One of the reasons why I'm never in gartic phones anymore is that there are ~3 characters that get drawn all the time and who often prompt/draw each other

I mean, I recognize Annoy and I get drawn a lot, but I started attributing that to us being there all the time. I definitely go out of my way to put the least-drawn representative in the VC in my prompts consistently, but otherwise, I get what you mean and sorry. x -x

With you and Annoy though... I feel ya'll do a lot to emphasize the "This is how simple it is to draw a basic me" in a way that, even without personality involved, makes them very good entry level characters to scribble. I feel it might be a lot less of a favoritism things and more people drawing characters that can be summed up in triangles, or any other distinct body shape. Kink head tentacles for example.

Oh yeah it really wasn't meant as an attack on the gang

2:55 PM

I bear no ill will

2:55 PM

But I'm no longer doing gartic phones all the same

Oh, I know it wasn't. :3 I disliked my (limited) time with Gartic too for different reasons. Was more me thinking out loud I suppose.

talked to aym

4:22 PM

he's a bit unhappy this was done while he slept and without notifying him or gicing him any feedback

YES, CORRECT, AND HE'S RIGHT TO FEEL THOSE WAYS

not the green thing

It's just a lot to throw his way at once.

I fell to groupthink
Three step apology, always
Yes, to that extent, there're consistent people who find your behaviour a little (lot) problematic
You gotta be kinda different, yeah
Also I'm not enthusiastic about the prospect of just unbanning you

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT HERE, about how high-fidelity the whole thing was

I have woken up

4:33 PM

Aym has messaged me saying Az wanted me to talk to him (edited)

4:33 PM

Do you guys really want me being blunt?

I'm just, leaving all of this, to you guys now, aaa

4:33 PM

Do what you think is best

4:34 PM

I'm gonna hide in my own hat

not the green thing

I'm just, leaving all of this, to you guys now, aaa

Wait, no

It's not entirely your fault, but don't make shit happen and dip Geese

On one hand, yes group think. But also, no one in that moment said "ban him immediately."

WELL I DUNNO WHAT TO DO

4:35 PM

Yeah, you're right. x -x

I mean, none of us were going to complain, fair.

Okay

And yes we all have strong opinions.

Has anyone actually told him anything yet

Az talked to him apparently

What am I walking into

But I also told you to put it in the mod chat and it was also just immediate (edited)

That was the other way around

4:37 PM

I banned him and then a few minutes later you brought up that I should mention something here, which was a good idea and I'd glossed over saying that.

It wasn't an order of events, edited it.

4:37 PM

But I guess what I am saying is

I'm not great at this, I have to strike a balance between just doing things myself and letting y'all do things for me, without overtalking about anything because things have to actually happen too, but aaaa

Or, hear me out

4:38 PM

Do things with us

I'm not used to authority. I'm the kind of person who HATES authority, if I wasn't in charge I'd be ANGRY at whoever is, and the fact that it's me here in the King's seat doesn't actually make me less mad at authority.

4:39 PM

Either kings are all idiots or there's some glossary for this that I really didn't get the chance to rifle through.

Trite

Do things with us

I'm trying! Again, sorry, aa

Geese you're the only one attacking you rn

We were voicing it as an unaddressed concern, then it immediately got that response which technically fixed it, but was very sudden. At the bare minimum, Geese, do me a favor and treat him like a person and at least show him the dignity of an explanation. Doesn't mean bring him back, just... Treat them like a person.

I may sound really heavy handed but I literally woke up less than 10 minutes ago

I was really hasty with doing this, I recognize that I should've said something before acting or gotten verification before doing that, it's not gonna happen again. What do we do now.

Pure

We were voicing it as an unaddressed concern, then it immediately got that response which technically fixed it, but was very sudden. At the bare minimum, Geese, do me a favor and treat him like a person and at least show him the dignity of an explanation. Doesn't mean bring him back, just... Treat them like a person.

Also, Pure!

I think the things that led to this are valid, but the response was demoralizing in how it was done, not what was done. Maybe not invite back, but talk.

Since Aym doesn't like you, and he listens to people of following, I can talk to him about it

not the green thing

Like the easiest line for him to pull there is 100%, "Geese is just being a classic asshole, all of this was perpetrated by him," and it would feel like the most sane option for him to think that. (edited)

This!

He still likes me and I have a following so he would actually listen to what I say

4:42 PM

I promise I won't be blunt and demoralizing to him, but I am going to be honest and I'm not sugarcoating anything because I want him to get the picture

not the green thing

This!

This ignores the fact I am taking responsibility for voicing my concern. Again, there were circumstances.

4:42 PM

You reacted, but there was stimuli

No, I wasn't attacking you either, I was addressing the part of me not treating him like a person.

4:43 PM

Like, I know, I'm trying, what I did was shitty, buh

4:43 PM

But there's also not really a good way to come back from that.

4:44 PM

Right now I'm defaulting to Trite's idea.

Ooooh, okay. Fair. I think the real, only issue here is there was no communication. There is no coming back, just honorific goodbyes, I think?

Then just be honest and dignifiable about it

4:44 PM

"Hey I fucked up because there's a problem with you and it didn't go through the proper channels to be dealt with"

To be sure, he could come back. These just can't be problems anymore.

For the 4th time

4:45 PM

Or whatever it is at this point

Like, he'd at minimum need to address these issues directly.

Pure

For the 4th time

We've never kicked him though, he's always left and returned.

Yeah, but kicking isn't the only corrective behavior that can be ignored.

4:46 PM

The leaving happened because of these conversations.

THIS IS A LOT OF STUFF

I do agree with Pure, don't bring him back, but at least give him an explanation

Trite

He still likes me and I have a following so he would actually listen to what I say

he did assure me it had nothing to do with following

4:47 PM

you and kink are chill and have played roblox once

4:47 PM

the roblox thing is very important

4:47 PM

i think

It's probably more just preference, he did the same thing with Kalnaref, so I would believe it's based on art. Edit: Clarifying, I don't believe it either, but it is another plausible explanation if it were true. (edited)

I mean, I wouldn't expect the following to be a thing he would outright admit to anyhow.

His actions don't speak to that in the slightest, maybe with me there's a plausible deniability, but not to the almost dozen other people who he did that to, or the fact he singles me out in a group of people rather than just addressing the group

Regardless, baseline... Rectifying this doesn't include bringing him back barring extreme circumstances. Treat him like a person and hope he gets better long term Offer him a place if he understands where we came from. Long term, not next week, or next month... And wish him the best. Sound like where we are at?

I'm down

Azserfy

he did assure me it had nothing to do with following

Before you get knee-deep with talking to him though, @Trite, how much ground did you actually cover Az?

I asked Aymbord that as well (edited)

Trite

I'm down

Thank you. Sorry you woke up to this.

Ah well, nvm, that's probably better. I don't like making people feel like we're doing shadow-government behind their backs. "I already have all the information I need."

Nah

4:52 PM

I wanna hear @Azserfy's side too

basically i said he got banned by you because people complained about his attitude and him ignoring and talking over people who weren't big names

Me?

Geese

Ah

also that I wasn't aware about most of the fine prints because I don't do vc here often

4:54 PM

4:55 PM

this is how the convo started

4:55 PM

i won't share screens of the rest unless Aym agrees, I think DMs should remain personal unless it puts people in danger

YEAH

Agreed.

Either way, I'll wait for him to respond

4:58 PM

Geese just take a breath

I really should've just talked to him... buuhuhhhh....

It'll be handled

im fine x -x

not the green thing

I really should've just talked to him... buuhuhhhh....

you still should

5:00 PM

you're a grown idiot and so is he

5:00 PM

you'll feel worse if you don't

Weirdly, that might be the best pep talk I've ever gotten.

5:01 PM

I'll still wait for post-Trite, but I will. ":|

Just know shit doesn't have to immediately ramp to 100 and have to get handled immediately

Therapy admin chat is bae

no matter how bad it goes it'll be better than to have it fester in your mind while someone else handles it

not the green thing

Weirdly, that might be the best pep talk I've ever gotten.

brutal honesty is my go to in these situations and it has never let me down

5:02 PM

it's also how I talk to aym and I think it's the way to go

5:03 PM

you can be honest about things you don't appreciate without being aggressive ^^

You "chase cars" and only focus on immediately making things good or fixed if something goes wrong, or if you do something wrong you don't step back to try and get into a headspace where it can be handled better

5:04 PM

I do it too, it's one of the reasons I'm getting therapy, I grew up learning shit is either 0 or 100, when it isn't

5:07 PM

It's not a bad thing, it just is, and you gotta focus on 1. Not making it your problem.and your problem only, you got friends and a mod team for those related incidents. And 2. Realizing when you're panic rationalizing, and just stepping back, things can wait, and if they can't, things were already fucked before you touched it so don't feel bad

5:12 PM

Alright well Aymbord is just gonna screenshot all of Azerfy's convo

5:13 PM

fuck me

Rq

well I stand by everything I said

Has anyone brought up something like this to him before?

I have once

5:14 PM

a while ago

Aside the German

I might have but I wouldn't remember-- I'm also not really in the headspace to dig through our DMs.

You told me you have a while back, so I imagine so. (edited)

List off the reasons why

5:31 PM

I wanna make sure I cover all bases

5:32 PM

Dude is venomous rn and I'm giving him some time to cool down because I'm not going to turn it into an argument or him just being pissed

:V nothing against aym as a person but he's pretty annoying and sort of like the introduction of sandpaper to a well lubed conversation. This never bothered me enough to mention to anyone because i assumed he was like most of us and just has a touch of tism debuffing his social skills. I can relate. But i never like.. cleared my throat and asked him to chill or stop being goofycoded because i always got the sense other people were good friends with him and it never felt like my problem

5:33 PM

When i call him "annoying" here, to be clear, he never seems antisocial, just the kind of person who tests folks patience

@Pure @not the green thing

5:34 PM

What are the reasons for kicking him

but again i never like, asked him whats up cause it never felt like i was an aym friend who had the privelage of nudging him asking him to try and behave

You don't have to damage control Zalia, we understand what you mean

Trite

Dude is venomous rn and I'm giving him some time to cool down because I'm not going to turn it into an argument or him just being pissed

how did he take what I told him

He doesn't feel like there's any explanation

5:36 PM

When you gave him one

Trite

You don't have to damage control Zalia, we understand what you mean

okay :3

Dude in one message goes "idk what I did wrong" and then specially calls out something he did wrong

so close yet so far

So he did glean off Az

5:38 PM

It's also why I'm letting him cool off

5:38 PM

I'm not gonna just be a wall for him to kick and scratch at

1: Multiple people complained about him making it weird whenever anyone else would talk about something between guys or cock, even when it had nothing to do with him. Seems like a lot of "Ooooh what the heck"s any time something not strictly straight was implied between people. Happened enough that I know several people who think he is straight up homophobic (Kinda what I got from why Clay has been quiet). 2: Suspiciously always dominated conversations or show up when someone popular was around and made a point of essentially making the conversation, "Look at all these friends I draw and what I can do with your character if you let me into your life." and just generally that sort of attitude approach with everyone. 3: Pretty much everything else about being in VC with him, domineering, sways coversations so they are only between him and a focus, just non-stop and overwhelming to be around. My main ones for me, and the ones I hear from people beyond just the "He is annoying and I don't wanna VC with him." Also, to be clear, literally nothing wrong with being straight, just from what I heard, it was the equivalent of saying anything cock related would get a "Uh oh hahaha nope." in a way that really made people uncomfortable talking around him.

Also I couldn't confidently talk about anything religious while he was in the room. It's more a me problem in that respect, its hard for me to not talk down about Christianity in general, so I did my best to keep it tight-lipped and I think I only had one major slip-up that still makes me cringe. But then he apparently told other people how much of a religious nuisance I am. Which, like, technically fair, but I feel pretty confident I was good about it around him.

5:59 PM

time to be diplomatic

Huh. Sounds like he is mentally preparing/justifying a freak out.

6:02 PM

Messages like that are generally intentionally typed out as proof that they were on the verge of unhinged prior to the "trigger".

6:03 PM

Or anxiety-driven, but I suspect not in this case, regardless, be ready. (edited)

priority is to de-escalate

6:03 PM

in any case (edited)

Yeah, just helps to know what to expect. Worried I suppose.

6:15 PM

Clearly he was looking for a reason to freak out before I even said anything

holy shit

Dude very blatantly isn't reading anything I'm saying and cherry picking things I'm saying to justify blowing up

6:17 PM

He doesn't deserve any sympathy, nor does he belong here

there's no going back from the first insult

calls it surface level bullshit cause we'd rather hang out and be chill instead of body our clout around? Just a theory

He very shoddily tried jabbing at me about my ex in a way that didn't land either

and then they justy keep going

6:17 PM

holy shit

Just note the conversation before this was him being sympathetic about my breakup

6:18 PM

So this shows how shallow he is

... I am sorry, yeah, that was what I was worried about. Piece of fucking shit.

6:21 PM

And he "wanted" to talk to you.

6:22 PM

Fucker wanted a punching bag. I am sorry

gotta say Pure was 100% accurate on his estimation (edited)

6:27 PM

oops

Just tell him to calm the fuck down and read the block I sent without being in a headspace where he wants to justify blowing up

Well, true colors were still shown. Glad they were though so we know what we are working with. Emotions don't make you suddenly say shit that hateful. Especially when they are aware you are just the messenger. (edited)

I still want to message him and apologize. I mean, I'm still probably going to, at the end of it all.

6:54 PM

Sorry it turned out like this everyone.

6:57 PM

I'm taking all the blame of pulling the trigger, but that hackey-sack is being kept in the air a really long time and I don't feel like I kicked it once-- I'm still apologizing directly for pulling the plug, that's on me. Everything else is me watching through a window as the forest burns down and being sorry about the situation.

6:57 PM

Again, though, I'm gonna reiterate something: (edited)

not the green thing

He would specifically join calls that I wasn't in and there have been too many reports of him making new people upset. He kept being on the edge of being banned, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't WAITING for him to get a third strike so I had a reason to ban him. Realising this, there really wasn't a reality where he wasn't gonna get banned, so. I just. Pre-empted whatever problem was gonna occur.

This was going to happen no matter what. I know I was waiting for it.

an apology sounds like its more for your benefit than his

Maybe it is. . -.

7:03 PM

I guess it's better it explodes in the trash can though than the time bomb be set off in the house. When I think about political things, I like to try to apply them directly to as average of a case as possible-- how will something affect Farmer Joe, or a single mother, or a university student, and see how whatever policy theoretically affects them-- if it's positive, good, that's all I wanted. Likewise, my meters here are Aussy and Winded. If those guys get to be more comfortable, perfect; if they get any issues, those are my alarm bells.

Trite

Click to see attachment 🖼️

This makes me at least feel confident that the normal would have been disrupted, but wasn't.

Pure and I were trying to tell you that

7:06 PM

And Geese, don't apologize, don't apologize to him, yourself, or any of us

7:06 PM

Just accept it could have been handled better

1

not the green thing

I guess it's better it explodes in the trash can though than the time bomb be set off in the house. When I think about political things, I like to try to apply them directly to as average of a case as possible-- how will something affect Farmer Joe, or a single mother, or a university student, and see how whatever policy theoretically affects them-- if it's positive, good, that's all I wanted. Likewise, my meters here are Aussy and Winded. If those guys get to be more comfortable, perfect; if they get any issues, those are my alarm bells.

This isn't politics though, this is sociology

Zalia @ FWA

an apology sounds like its more for your benefit than his

nothing wrong with that

I guess

Only so long as it doesn't turn into a bigger deal from there. Geese apologizing is a decent formality, but at this point I feel Aym wants to fight not formalities.

7:24 PM

Not sure anyone will feel better.

I'm gonna at least wait a day.

not the green thing

I'm gonna at least wait a day.

I suggest waiting a few weeks

9:35 AM

Woof, what a headache this looked to be

9:35 AM

Sorry I wasn't around to assist in this one

":|

Kennyyeen

Sorry I wasn't around to assist in this one

Bad dogs get to go into the shark tank. (edited)

We have one of those?

1

Oh no

Man verd is frustrating

He's fiiiine, but the situation was kind of unfortunate. x -x

He doesn't mean anything by it

7:00 AM

It's not like we made an announcement or anything

He's got the tact of a slab of ham

1:59 PM

Exists expecting others to do things for him

1:59 PM

And I don't even know what to call him using both discord accounts to complain when he doesn't get his way

I mean, it is all very dramatic yes. I was gonna say it seems like he dropped it but just checked chat.

2:39 PM

I mean, on one hand, we should definitely get a system in place so everyone's birthday is treated equally. That being said, not sure I feel great about it reaching the point where it just looks like someone practically begging for free art. Feels yucky reaching this point after trying to compromise. (edited)

Considering he's publicly guilt tripping everyone I say don't

7:47 PM

There's a myriad of reasons why birthday events for everyone is a bad idea, but the main one being he just wants free art of his characters from a bunch of people

7:48 PM

Not to mention we already put a focus on people's birthday's during events

Devoted birthday events is definitely a rabbit hole that is best case annoying for everyone or worst case obviously exclusionary. Like, was just happy it got brought up in drawpile at all,,,

8:02 PM

Best implementation may just be documenting people's birthmonths and maybe a group birthday drawpile per month, even then though, may feel shitty if some people get drawn more than others during an event that feels like "yours".

what does he want this time?

Best I can tell, fighting his own demons and hoping for an event today or wednesday. I am also at work and haven't checked every chat though tbf.

As far as I can tell it's mostly geese going "ITS SO AND SOS BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY DRAWPILE GOGOGOGO"

4:15 AM

And when verd mentions it's his birthday too, mentioning it in the middle of conversation and such, it's geese tripping over himself to accommodate

4:16 AM

Which, that's got the right spirit, but I'm like

4:22 AM

When someone sees how people get attention on their birthdays and then they start expecting similar treatment, That's frustrating

I am sorry.

But yeah, seriously, kinda entitled feeling. Just gonna have to keep an eye on it, seems he kinda dropped it for now. Maybe discuss doing birthday stuff better from here on out, if at all. (edited)

No? That ruins the birthday events for everyone because one person is being petty. Honestly, I don't care about Verdrusk's feelings enough to change how the server fundamentally works because he's butthurt and loud. That's dumb.

Yeah, fine with whatever. Again, this is mostly a Verd issue. Also feel bad I had a birthday thing aaaaa

I do think someone, more than likely Geese considering this was mostly between Geese and Verd, should discuss this in DMs and have the preface that any more of that behavior in public will stop it from being an event. Would rather he have a chance to see the issue rather than immediately punish with dismissal of his want for a drawpile

Pure

Yeah, fine with whatever. Again, this is mostly a Verd issue. Also feel bad I had a birthday thing aaaaa

I mean don't apologize

1

6:21 AM

Birthday stuff is a gift, not an obligation:3

Is it cool if verd uses this place to advert his own server

5:40 PM

Cause that appears to be what he's doing

I can see this turning into him directly pestering people to join another server and personally think it will get annoying pretty quick.

5:43 PM

Not sure though, definitely a @not the green thing call there since we don't really have a rule against it.

I feel like I'm being a bitch when I complain that almost everything verd does is annoying He's just lame and flaccid about things instead of antagonistic like some other people so his shenanigans never become contentious and get people wanting to kick him.

I feel the worst thing that can happen to the server is allowing either advertising or begging. We have cracked down on people promoting their own YCHs and stuff yeah? See it comparable to that almost.

It's great that so far nobody has demonstrated a lack of tact and posted stuff like that People here are pretty tactful and polite

5:48 PM

With one exception

I would however recommend reframing your response away from sounding how it does. I understand it is a question posed to the chat but does come off as a little more confrontational than I assume you meant, for me read as, "Does this SEEM to be something we would allow? Huh??" Felt a little too directed and I originally read it that way.

Mhm

5:54 PM

I gotta reign in my verd hate

5:54 PM

I'm a verdphobe

5:55 PM

What I want to tell him (and the other mods here) is that if we let him invite friends to his "cool" art server, we have to let other people advertise too, and their discord servers might not be as legit and they might not invite, but beg.

5:55 PM

And I can see verd hosting all sorts of events in his discord and constantly mentioning it here, since he sees this server as "mostly friends" Cause he just sees this server as a pool of attention

5:56 PM

Kinda want to mention that first part in chat now

5:56 PM

(not the second part)

I put self-promotion and art requests in a similar boat of, probably not for the chat facing areas of this server. Maybe alongside an art post saying, "Really happy with this thing I drew in this drawpile, did it in: Put Server here" But not so much just a blatant ad for events.

Zalia @ FWA

And I can see verd hosting all sorts of events in his discord and constantly mentioning it here, since he sees this server as "mostly friends" Cause he just sees this server as a pool of attention

Yeah, opens that waterway a bit

I dunno. I don't think we should find Verd constantly full of piss and hate, like I'm not the biggest fan either but he does raise a good point.

5:57 PM

Slippery slope or not.

That's even worse That's like subversive joun-begging

not the green thing

I dunno. I don't think we should find Verd constantly full of piss and hate, like I'm not the biggest fan either but he does raise a good point.

We have cracked down on self-promotion before.

5:58 PM

Not necessarily the place for it.

~~I think we are too soft on verd personally I havent forgotten all the shit from before he toned it down~~ (edited)

Becoming even remotely a place where people are even remotely feeling advertised to, approached with requests and bugged defies the purpose I feel.

Can I repeat my piece about if we allow one, we have to allow all in chat?

May I take the reigns?

Of course

6:00 PM

As long as you heard my sentiment here :3

Yeah take the reigns, I'm not sure where my point there is going.

I personally would dislike seeing people post stuff here like "join my discord server for friends" and "I'm offering commissions!" "I'm offering art trades!" Because people like that don't see this as a friend server if they post things like this. They see it as a collection of potential clients, event participants to collect in their own space where they have control, and more famous artists to rub shoulders and clout with. People like that are interested in hanging out, not participating.

Yeah, we used to have a chat like that and it got removed.

This is an environment with a lot of professionals who want to share their passion for art. Promotion and advertising are unfortunately a slippery slope that facilitates people being approached with unsolicited requests and that isn't what this server is. We want this server to be comfortable, not an easy environment to pull people with a following from. There is of course a difference between linking your information alongside art pieces, by all means credit your work. The end point being we don't want this to feel like a storefront, or a place to drag artists from to promote their own endeavors. (edited)

Yeah that too

Pure

This is an environment with a lot of professionals who want to share their passion for art. Promotion and advertising are unfortunately a slippery slope that facilitates people being approached with unsolicited requests and that isn't what this server is. We want this server to be comfortable, not an easy environment to pull people with a following from. There is of course a difference between linking your information alongside art pieces, by all means credit your work. The end point being we don't want this to feel like a storefront, or a place to drag artists from to promote their own endeavors. (edited)

Any additional points or does this cover everything as a statement?

I think it's good

6:04 PM

Maybe..

@not the green thing

Pure

This is an environment with a lot of professionals who want to share their passion for art. Promotion and advertising are unfortunately a slippery slope that facilitates people being approached with unsolicited requests and that isn't what this server is. We want this server to be comfortable, not an easy environment to pull people with a following from. There is of course a difference between linking your information alongside art pieces, by all means credit your work. The end point being we don't want this to feel like a storefront, or a place to drag artists from to promote their own endeavors. (edited)

This feels SUPER corporate

The first half could also include "and makes members see this place as an environment to gain influence or clout by kissing up to popular folk" But worded more politely

not the green thing

This feels SUPER corporate

It is however clear.

Zalia @ FWA

The first half could also include "and makes members see this place as an environment to gain influence or clout by kissing up to popular folk" But worded more politely

what no

Because that's sort of my only verd gripe today He says he's mentioning it here because this server is full of friends but his friends also see his Twitter? He could tweet the invite but he's instead choosing to mention it here without an invite to get people to ask to be let in. He neither asked anyone if he could post an invite, nor just went ahead and posted it. It was a lukewarm bait to see what attention it got.

6:08 PM

I can just.. Spidey Sense that it's a verdrusk ":v" moment where he does something cause he wants to without thinking about it.

Zalia @ FWA

Because that's sort of my only verd gripe today He says he's mentioning it here because this server is full of friends but his friends also see his Twitter? He could tweet the invite but he's instead choosing to mention it here without an invite to get people to ask to be let in. He neither asked anyone if he could post an invite, nor just went ahead and posted it. It was a lukewarm bait to see what attention it got.

Done in a way that forces conversation and thus further promotion through mandatory inquiries by anyone interested in joining.

Something like that yeah

Regardless, I am writing this ignoring ill will.

Call me delusional if you want, I guess I'm just kinda at the point with verd that some of y'all were with aymbord a little while ago before he blew up

6:10 PM

I'm experienced in the brand of social energy verd puts out and I actively avoid him

6:11 PM

Also come on! As if to prove my point:

6:11 PM

Literally a verd ":v" moment

6:12 PM

Just throwing this out here, man sits back and expects positive social interaction at the drop of a hat and I think we ought to enable him a little less. I'm not comfy. It's grating.

6:13 PM

I'm holding back all my desires responses in chat but gosh guys, we don't need to give everyone birthday events outside of a congratulatory party hat emoji here. It just makes some people feel like they're entitled to attention.

Did we allow Kink to make a post for his own server? No, right?

No!

6:13 PM

If I knew there was a kink server I'd be in it already

Too bad it's gone ":)

My point being there are tactful approaches that make successful servers.

not the green thing

Too bad it's gone ":)

Whole server nuked off the face of the planet :c

@not the green thing I recommend DMing Verd at this point.

6:16 PM

Anything further in chat will not be great.

But yeah If I like someone I tell them happy birthday and draw them something, or I seek out their discord server and join it when they invite in their own channels of communication. No advertising or begging needed. That's how it should be.

I still think being clear on the self-promotion would be good long term. I don't however wanna in-post punish behavior that is in a gray area that hadn't been defined yet at the time it was done. Anyone doing it would feel odd. Removing Verd from the situation. (edited)

Zalia @ FWA

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Also, tbf, Geese did tell him to ask in there.

6:25 PM

It is all too easy to feel like it escalated because we are discussing it, but for him this was the last he had really been told.

6:29 PM

Geese...

6:29 PM

Stop being so eager to please...

Zalia, I hate to ask, but do you mind stepping away from this issue in particular for a bit? I understand the irritation, but we are being a bit unfair here. I don't think the amount of pushback he immediately got is fair for making a post we haven't outwardly discouraged yet. We CAN longterm make a rule, but not in a way that punishes him directly. (edited)

Yes

6:36 PM

I will

Thank you.

Don't hate to ask,.I appreciate it

1

6:39 PM

I'd like to clarify that the reason I go off any time verd's behavior comes up is because I'm still sitting on nearly a year and a half of issues with him, but everyone else seems to slowly forget or ignore

6:40 PM

I dont hate the guy, but I feel like trying to be extra remindful because other people seem to go

6:40 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I understand the frustration, and personally have my own opinions, but those are actively unfair to him in this individual situation under these individual circumstances. Just don't think it is fair to punish a standalone instance of annoying like this to this scope. Regardless, I understand and am sympathetic in how you feel.

Corporation Pure

7:27 PM

Also yes, we've had issues with him in the past. I remember a spike of activity in which he was the guilty party. BUT that was also before the Rhodesy/Sharkstuff thing, so like

7:27 PM

I dunno, in my head that's one strike, this can just be two. x -x

not the green thing

Corporation Pure

Just trying to be careful to avoid targetting or personal attacks. :<

True

8:48 PM

He is just mentioning a server he wants to invite friends to

8:49 PM

Thanks for keeping me in check and letting me say my thoughts here tho :3

12:18 AM

Sorry if this sounded a bit spiteful, [proceeds to sound extremely spiteful]

12:18 AM

Should we

12:18 AM

Like

12:18 AM

Do something?

Whah

12:22 AM

Naw, that's a hole he dug. If he doesn't come out of it, that's not really on us.

Yes, but being passive agressive at others from the bottom of the hole is a problem

12:26 AM

I understand where he's coming from tbh

12:26 AM

But this is not the way to raise an issue

We'll pretty much celebrate whoever's birthday Az

12:27 AM

We're not gonna not draw people

I'm agreeing with you, hairbrain

12:30 AM

Uuuuuugh

12:30 AM

Yes we get it you won't attend

12:31 AM

Yeah, guh

Geese, why are you going so strong on the hype for Nate's "birthday drawpile" when 1. We already have people expecting birthday commemorating get-togethers being a problem, now with two people. 2. Nate doesn't sound too hype for this anyway

12:38 AM

I don't know if I'm reading the situation wrong

Nate very easily gets put down, don't take his submission as a good thing

12:40 AM

Dude has major depression

Then I read this as geese amping it up to 11 out of love for his friend to do something good for him

12:42 AM

I just feel like drawing him a gift art or doin a silly drawpile with him is better than trying to make it a server event where people show up and draw art for him. Maybe it would have been the perfect thing for nate to enjoy, but frankly, what the hell is up with how missile reacted? I almost feel like THAT is gonna make Nate feel even worse

Missile was an ass here imo

12:45 AM

As I've said, i understand where he's coming from, but it doesn't excuse just eye contact shitting on the cake like that

That's a good term for it

12:46 AM

Like yike

I took a nap and expected to wake up to a Nate thing, woke up in the middle of the whole Missile thing and had to step back. For context I had been talking to Nate in VC today to tell him that there was no need to feel undeserving of the gift stuff. He was genuinely interested but seeing other people (Verd) push it on his behalf made him feel like he was overstepping and didn't deserve it. Did what I could to hype him up, so seeing it go that way got me really heated, even from a distance. Really not happy with the last few major server interactions going this way in general, but this in particular rubbed me poorly and needed to wait to cool off a bit. Sorry for the late response.

Verd means well but often handles things poorly

I know, this is fairly and wholey unrelated to him for the most part. Was just bummed and needed to rant I suppose. (edited)

I am going to invite someone into the chat soon who used to be in here, but have been gone for a while and completely rebranded. If you do recognize them, I ask that you don't, please. :3 Nothing severe, just a promise I made them.

who is it?

6:15 PM

if they left in circumstances i think we should know

No, they left on their own for mental health reasons, left everything furry. If there was a reason beyond that I wouldn't have promised to keep it vague.

okay

Nothing beyond that, just wanted to be as transparent as I can be for someone technically returning.

6:19 PM

Thank you for understanding.

Who is

6:30 PM

Wait

6:30 PM

No, nevermind, I understand, I remember.

6:30 PM

Yes, no bully.

the furries drew them back in

kink???

What no that already happened and he didn't rebrand at all

i mean he did have an old account before being kink

6:40 PM

i remember because he gave me random gift art of my shark girl a while ago

I like kink

6:43 PM

I get the feeling this new person is not kink

Kink +disguise

Thoughts of kink...

6:44 PM

Guhh...

Let's just assume this new person is Kink because it is funnier this way

It definitely adds to it

6:46 PM

Lets just all say things like "WHAAAT" and "NO WAY" to them and not explain ourselves

WOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOAOA

6:47 PM

wink wink nudge nudge Right bunny and totally not a fish in a fursuit?

I'm still confused (my brain is small) but my tail is wagging (my heart is full of joy)

Brain doesn't have to work to achieve happy (I ate my drawing pen)

What!? (That's not good for you)

i'm not touching this

Me either

What is it

Rhodesy in chat

Alright but what is it

driving

10:54 PM

That's what an audio clip looks like when I too am in a situation where I cannot listen

10:54 PM

It's okay! It's not urgent

Okay, so basically I hopped into social anxiety cause I was bored at work, and my mentality is that I don't want to be in general chat when I am doing nothing but being distracted or doing other things cause that will get annoying. Like 80% of my call time is when I am driving and at work afterall. The room filled up, caught Rho in the general, asked if they would like to be moved into social anxiety, explained why I wouldn't go into the main one unless I am at my PC, and he asked to be moved. Then the call lasted about 20 minutes before we all did other things. Really not sure why it is suddenly irritating.

And responded to proper.

Lol THANKS

11:13 PM

I REALISE HOW FLIPPANT I WAS THERE

11:13 PM

Yeah sounds weird if rhodes was ok with it that time but now he makes it sound like it's a whole deal

11:14 PM

I'll admit, in my discords back in my day where I usually hang out we just have voice chats and you join if you want to and stay out if you don't, none of this social anxiety or exclusive kalzone stuff

11:15 PM

But tbh this place is full of some rather trepedatious people who have responded well to feeling like they have a little more control over the volume of the social interaction they're confronted with in this rather populous and diverse mixing pot of people

11:16 PM

It's like Sure it's not what discord normally is about but it's generally a good thing in this environment, and rho's problem seems to not be with the chats themselves but the fact that people feel the need to have them that way, and that's sort of not his deal to be frustrated with. You can't just ping the mods asking they make people warm up and be more socially boisterous

I am planning on drawing today with people and learning and asking questions. I will not be doing that in the general chat because I do not want to talk over others and do not want them to have to hear me ask questions every few seconds, so I will be using either social anxiety or Kalzone Could it exclude people? Yeah, easily, kinda the point.

If rho is annoyed by messages of people saying theyd love to join but can't, that's his opportunity to move himself to hang out with them or suggest that those in the group willing should move because there's an outside participant

@not the green thing and I decided to possibly rename social anxiety to "Focus Room" and possibly increase the cap to 5? Opinions?

11:40 PM

And maybe make two of them

11:43 PM

Geese told me it was okay, I don't know what I am doing but think I did it

Based

4:26 AM

Now people can't complain cause talking a ton or driving car calls aren't allowed

Changed one back to Social Anxiety because Lamp talked about themselves actually being socially anxious

5:41 PM

Like, it's the channel they want

I think the new room formats seem like a success!

Okay

4:02 AM

What

4:02 AM

High-key

4:03 AM

1. Remove "yes mic". 2. Remove the member cap on focus room (edited)

4:03 AM

This doesn't make any sense at all

4:03 AM

Is my client bugged?

Yeah, quiet room is still capped at 4

4:04 AM

Yes mic confirmed real

We don't need a.silly room called "yes mic" nobody will use because we already have hanging out, doing art, and quiet focus rooms

4:05 AM

Focus and quiet rooms don't both need caps

4:06 AM

Like gosh this is making me so irritated

4:06 AM

Let me explain

I am not a fan of yes-mic tbf, but didn't wanna touch that.

All we need is

a room for anything
a room for specifically art streaming while hanging out
a room specifically for working and focus without any talking but streaming publicly is still fine
a member capped room for the socially anxious
the kal room so people can have their exclusive little goon sessions

4:08 AM

And then just an instruction manual that teaches people the courtesy rules about the voice chats

4:09 AM

Why would quiet room need a member cap? Move to focus room to keep it from being crowded. Want to work where everyone is expected to stay quiet even if it's a social hangout? Move to focus room and trust that even if more people join they'll be courteous

4:10 AM

But nobody will use yes mic that's just redundant to hangout unless you change the name to make it clear it's hangout 2 for when two different public activities are happening

4:10 AM

We should change yes mic to be an overflow room at the bottom!

4:12 AM

To be clear I'm not mad I'm just confused why the stated change not only appears not to have happened, but the channels are less clear now.

I am actually trying to stop using the Kalzone generally, but I like there being a room for the smaller, controlled groups that has a cap and then an extra one with a cap for bleedover so that way people who get genuinely anxious can just move into something else. There are multiple people who prefer the capped rooms as a default, that shouldn't then stop people from having the anxiety bleedover room.

4:13 AM

Tbf, this current group I am in SHOULD be in the focus room, but it had a reason to start in here.

4:20 AM

I think allowing a room for people who prefer a controlled environment and also a room for a quieter environment are both valid. These are two seperate groups that worst case make there be no space for the other

This server is weird

4:23 AM

I love that we're catering to everyone's wants but dislike that we aren't just doing something and letting people just make do with it

4:23 AM

Back in my day we had one voice channel and one no mic channel because some of us gamers were too poor to afford a proper headset

4:23 AM

Times have changed tho

4:24 AM

And now we have to have a channel for soundboard spam or the verbal stimming becomes overwhelming for the 2 people with an allergy to human voices

4:24 AM

(this is a joke I'm not being mean this is meant as hyperbole) (edited)

I would argue we kinda did just do something and the current server activity seems to be a positive result of it. Maybe not directly, but I think we offered just enough options for people to be comfortable without thinking they are stepping on each others toes. Gamers gonna game, hangouters gonna hang, thing this provides the flexibility without going full cringe with devoted gaming channels. (edited)

4:27 AM

The best way to inspire server use isn't to make people think, "Oh, this shared interest we want to do now means we need to hop into a different server or PMs", it is to, "Oh, we are kinda talking about one thing, let's head into focus."

Sure!

4:33 AM

But let's obliterate yes mic then

4:33 AM

For my sake

4:35 AM

I'll refrain from bitching about the fact that it makes no sense why the quiet room and focus room have different caps despite the difference between them not being very clear... As long as we can eliminate the channels that don't at least have a clearly stated use, if not change them entirely to give them one.

I'm gonna make an announcement about moving people

I "obliterated" yes mic

7:18 AM

(It's in the archive category)

burps

8:27 PM

Why do I have to be more of an adult than a 27 year old man?

please specify to this man that that is the kalzone and not a regular channel

8:31 PM

this is invisible to most people (right?)

8:31 PM

(isn't it?)

It is

8:36 PM

I don't think the Kalzone not being a regular channel is the issue though

I just removed the cap

wait wasn't the decision to keep the cap?

Oh, I was just referring to the Kalzone.

8:48 PM

Caps on everything else stay

Was the idea to not delete the yes mic in totality? So we could still archive the chat

I never noticed how many archived channels there are

6:43 AM

Is that A good thing? Why do we need these

I think it is nice to not delete things forever, hardly notice it cause I generally collapse them

6:46 AM

Some art pieces exclusively exist in only those places.

6:47 AM

Preservation important.

Unless it's a joke voice channel that I thought we agreed was pointless

6:47 AM

Also why can normal members join archived voice channels??

I am not quite sure why Geese put it there, I honestly assumed it had been deleted until people went in there.

6:48 AM

This server looks like the plastic bin where I keep all my legos

Again, assume the mindset was both preservation and that people wouldn't find it, though, should restrict it. Anyway, collapse the archives, the amount of locked topics in there makes it fairly obvious it isn't to be focused on. (edited)

For personal reasons I need to delete the yes mic channel or make it vanish to server members

6:50 AM

Or I'm gonna lose sleep

Again, I assume keeping that chat intact was the mindset. Deleting the room deletes messages/pictures that may only exist in there.

6:51 AM

If we can stop people from joining, no need to delete.

Easy

I have had half a liter of diet coke and I feel buzzy

Double triple checking that the current general voicechat can use soundboard,.too

Trite

I have had half a liter of diet coke and I feel buzzy

That's silly. It doesn't contain alcohol.

No like

6:54 AM

Physically buzzing

6:54 AM

Not buzzed

6:54 AM

What

6:54 AM

Check your can for bees

6:55 AM

That's not normal

Trite is canonically filled with bees and tarantulas last I checked

I'm the Butler from LC

6:55 AM

Gonna stab ya

Trite

I'm the Butler from LC

omg RP???

Buddy full of Bees and Tarantulas

1

6:56 AM

He is a hazardous pred

Ooouuurrgghhh.... I'm so full from 1/2 litre diet cola, yum

6:56 AM

>trite rn

Trite

Buddy full of Bees and Tarantulas

Just cause Nate asked.

6:58 AM

As a silly little prank can I give one single person the ability to see and join yes-mic and never mention it?

Why

7:16 AM

Why would anyone need to see archived channels

7:16 AM

It would be funny but I am BURNED by the way verd acts

7:17 AM

It is going to become yet another thing he rudely complains about if it isn't already

I am in Nate's uncle's house

7:21 AM

This shit crazy

7:22 AM

Kal's here too dawg

7:22 AM

Like whaaaaat

HUH

7:22 AM

like fr

Yes like fr

Woah

Kal is visiting my state, Nate already lives here

Looks like everyone is having an amazing Saturday night

I'm hungee

7:25 AM

Eating Zalia

7:25 AM

Now it's a perfect Saturday night

7:34 AM

Escaping

You can never run far enough

Fly*

There's a scene in a Friday the 13th movie where Jason is chasing down this one girl and she evades him by jumping in the lake

7:47 AM

She's swimming to the other side but like, Jason just, like, walks around it

7:48 AM

She keeps changing where she's swimming to but Jason can clearly casually walk around it faster than she can swim, and she can't swim forever

7:48 AM

It's actually really effective horror, because it's a complete deathtrap, there's a dark despair in the hopelessness of her situation

7:48 AM

That's you rn, trying to fly away from me

..bich

I kick geese in the nuts to buy you time

9:23 AM

Azserfy

I kick geese in the nuts to buy you time

I also practice CV

Hopfel, they're doing terrible things to me :c

hopfel is the one paying me

4:13 PM

imi

You guys are getting paid?

Paid by ME???

4:24 PM

Also that is my sack to pop thank you very much

Omg

4:29 PM

Yeah new plan

4:29 PM

Leave gees's sack alone and

4:29 PM

And fill mine with everything in the register

this is a stickup

okay

4:33 PM

geese, cum in the lady's bag

4:33 PM

5:39 AM

Can someone send me a screenshot of Rhodesy asking them in DMs to join a smaller chat

5:40 AM

I guarentee he's asked

5:40 AM

@deleted-role

Legit the only thing in OUR dms is a few back.and forth about him asking me to teach him blender

5:42 AM

Sorry

5:43 AM

Isn't pulling strings to get screenshots that prove him wrong antithesis to being a bigger adult?

5:44 AM

I can just smell the drama coming off his subject change and I bet you don't want to resort to being petty either

5:46 AM

Just stop making a thing out of nothing dude

5:46 AM

This isn't a problem

Complains about you Then tells you off for acting like this is about you

5:58 AM

He's not actually talking constructively, he's giving you a streak of conciousness. He's folding the issue over on itself again and again like the production of fine Nippon steel. This is why he's left and been booted at least twice before, because some issue or another has come to a head like the closing hemispheres of the demon core

It's why I'm not even caring about what he's saying, I'm just telling him to knock it off

6:17 AM

I'm well aware he's just being subversive as shit

6:17 AM

It's why I wasn't surprised when told him to knock it off and he ghosted again

6:17 AM

Why the hell do I have to be more of an adult than a man almost a decade older than me

I support using screenshots to call people out on their bs in any context

8:35 AM

Saying "i have never..." when you in fact have means you either forgot or are being intentionally dishonest

8:36 AM

In both case a screenshot is warranted

8:36 AM

Not necessarily as a public shaming but at least as a proof

Trite

I guarentee he's asked

I personally only ever got asked over call or clarified over voice.

2:55 PM

I WILL say however, my mistake may have been trusting Kal did his due diligence when he would say, "Rhodesy wants to be moved into Kalzone he is chilling in hangout rn." and the like.

What is the kalzone

3:02 PM

I keep seeing people in it and at this point I'm too afraid to ask

Secret chat for when we are super off topic or want to avoid someone breathing loudly into our ears. Trying to use it less.

It's like the art chat VIP vc?

Mostly started as the chat for hyper anxious people who want to sneak off and not worry about unfamiliar faces joining and making it awkward.

3:04 PM

IE shy Kal friends

Yeah but aymbord is no longer here

Well, a few more people I know people are trying to avoid, but aside that. Less personality and more people like Ceasar and Sharner who want to take comfort in familiar faces. They have been joining more normal calls, but only because the kiddie pool of Kalzone made it easier.

3:07 PM

It was admittedly being overused. Reformatting the groups was intented to move some people out of there naturally.

It's a channel for hanging out in secret that specifically excludes some people that others don't want to hang out with

4:01 PM

And obviously there are some people who don't like that

Looked at cynically, sure. The alternate perspective is a place for certain people to bail to if they are overwhelmed by people who arent breaking the rules or being obnoxious maliciously but noteably difficult to socialize with. Again, trying to get people to use it less since those criticisms are valid. But also been watching in real time as Verd and Winded make people get overwhelmed. (edited)

4:17 PM

End point is still that I am discouraging using it as default.

oh it's the verdless vc

4:27 PM

i c

Simplistic thing to take out of what I said. The only reason he was named was because he stands in well as the universal shared experience some of the few people in the Kalzone prefer to avoid. Again, some people who now hop into regular VCs only exist or started existing because of it.

4:43 PM

The creation of it had 0 to do with individual exclusion and everything to do with making a safe, vetted place for people scared off by a larger server. @not the green thing was there when it was discussed and made with that in mind. (edited)

I made it with Kal in mind, because he requested it directly.

5:12 PM

Like, his alternative is to make his own server, realistically. At which point, we wouldn't be talking about it being exclusion even though it still would be.

5:12 PM

It's 1 VC instead of a Kal server

5:13 PM

That's the pretense I made it under, anyway.

And this fox very tired of friend servers,,,

I come to this place when I wanna do art and chill

5:19 PM

I go to my own personal server for other things and if people wanna hang out with me specifically outside of art productivity and chill then they go there and do that (edited)

5:20 PM

I don't see the problem with telling people to privately invite friends to their own places because we won't turn this place into a spot where they can hang out and game in their cliques without strangers they may not like joining in

Pure

Looked at cynically, sure. The alternate perspective is a place for certain people to bail to if they are overwhelmed by people who arent breaking the rules or being obnoxious maliciously but noteably difficult to socialize with. Again, trying to get people to use it less since those criticisms are valid. But also been watching in real time as Verd and Winded make people get overwhelmed. (edited)

I just feel like that should be a rule anyway, being an obnoxious person

5:21 PM

Disturbing the peace

"if enough people have problems with how you act and you don't change you may be asked to leave the library"

5:22 PM

That's kind of how it works almost everywhere else, where the goal is to not give people partial treatment

5:25 PM

Verd is verd and winded means well but it literally constantly verbally stimming, neither of them are trying to do anything wrong or aware of how they act but maybe instead of mostly ignoring it we could get more used to just straight up telling them "hey, our goal is to make hanging out here the most comfortable for everyone, these are areas we think you could work on stuff to keep strife low"

I feel like just telling people to go to another person's server when things get off topic is a slippery slope that ends up with people dragged off to newly made places and a dead server. I think our goal should simply be to have art, events and socializing be the focus while providing enough flexibility to do stuff different stuff on the side. Also, cliques happen, they do. My issue with the Kalzone was that I didn't like it being hidden and a clique. I don't think it is necessarily on us to force people in a situation where they have to meet new people. The option is available if they want to, and the option to not is available if they don't. (edited)

The thing is

6:07 PM

There's literally no issue here

6:07 PM

Rhodesy is trying to make an issue where there isn't

6:07 PM

New people here don't feel like there's never anyone in the general chats

6:08 PM

If anything the problem has been people joining and being bombarded, such as the case with Kalnareff and Sharkstuffs and Cownugget

6:09 PM

Two of which both got driven away by Aymbord being parasocial, which he's no longer here

6:09 PM

Sharkstuffs being because Rhodesy abused his power because he believes people don't change

Sharkstuff had other reasons, Cownugget joined VC for the first time after Aym was already gone, Kalnareff joined that call too

No?

6:10 PM

I had Cownugget join well before Aymbord left

None of them were completely scared off by Aymbord, however, we were getting really antsy about it. It was clearly happening, just we were waiting for something to go wrong.

He just popped into one VC, got bombarded, and literally just hasn't joined one since a couple days ago

Trite

I had Cownugget join well before Aymbord left

Yeah! They were like Shyguy9 until recently, they haven't really participated.

Trite

He just popped into one VC, got bombarded, and literally just hasn't joined one since a couple days ago

DID THEY?

Same with Kalnareff

I guess I never saw that.

I was there

6:11 PM

For both instances

Fair enough. As you were.

6:12 PM

I only ever saw Cownugget in VC once, soz, I'm not the factmaker.

I invited Cownugget, I was there first vc he joined and Aymbord popped in and did his thing

6:12 PM

Then he never joined a vc again until a couple days ago

not the green thing

I guess I never saw that.

Yeah, seemed fairly mellow, think it was like 8 people at peak. I never hopped in though, was in a different VC

6:18 PM

They were in there for a while too.

I didn't want to join and be person #9, and I vaguely remember having something to do the whole time

There's literally no issues here except for people not wanting to be rude to potential new guests

6:21 PM

When that hasn't been the case

6:22 PM

Let's just stop fucking around with the voice chats

Yeah, happy with how they are now.

I do think we should consider a disturbing the peace rule

6:27 PM

Even if you aren't technically breaking any rules, being a generally unpleasant person is still disrupting the server, which should require a coaching of what's wrong, what can be done to fix it, and if nothing happens, then a kick from the server

If can find a good way to define problematic behaviors that excludes judgement of personality traits (Basically just don't want a "we don't get along dunno why" to be enough to make us intervene.) I am good with it. Not saying that WOULD happen, but I do know there are some people who aren't necessarily spoken to or people are thr most comfortable around because of zero shared interests or being a personality wet sponge.

"if people complain about you making them uncomfortable, it's your problem for you to solve and not ours"

Yesterday I kinda made Verd autocorrect himself in call over a really dumb conversation that made him come off bigoted, so he takes criticism on the spot at least.

verd is not mean just turbo autistic

I suppose my biggest fear with correcting on an admin side is... I imagine a situation where say, hypothetically someone like Nate brings up guns, and instead of a regular human interaction of saying, "I don't like this topic" in the moment, they instead bottle it up and bring it to an admin. That sweetheart would drop the topic in a millisecond if asked, but was never given the opportunity and now is being told by an admin the gun talk made people nervous. It is easy to forget, but being talked to by a mod or admin sucks and adds a shitty amount of tension. Now, hypothetically, if between users corrective requests are made, ignored and spiral into drama, that is where we fit in I think. Typing this while driving, hope it makes sense.

That's when you tell the person who came to you that Nate is the kind of person who will respect not talking about a topic that makes you uncomfortable

7:05 PM

They should come to us, that's literally what our job is about, to Moderate

7:08 PM

Moderate doesn't just mean laying down rules, it's keeping things in order. If you just take a complaint at face value and tell the offending person to knock it off then that's bad moderation because it can lead to people abusing that report system. You use context and reasoning to make your judgement

7:08 PM

I know everyone here isn't the type of person who will just parrot a complaint

7:08 PM

But it doesn't have to be this hard nuanced thing (edited)

Trite

That's when you tell the person who came to you that Nate is the kind of person who will respect not talking about a topic that makes you uncomfortable

In the example, yes. But my concern is more... We don't know everyone as well as we know him and a similar situation with someone new may not pan out that way. Agreed that none of us would just pull the trigger unquestioningly, but I worry about how the dynamics might change if we put out a rule that lets people know that awkward interactions fall under us. I feel it is currently safely assumed that if something gets out of hand, it comes to us. I might be arguing semantics at this point and overly stressed about optics though. (edited)

The point isn't the example

8:12 PM

The point is use your judgement, and don't just pawn it off as "not my problem"

Oh, in no way am I advocating for ignoring these situations, just that I want to be very careful with establishing something as a rule. Overall, not opposed and would rather than than have a Kalzone, I am just wary.

8:16 PM

In other words, I would vote for it if approached delicately and well formatted.

Trite

I do think we should consider a disturbing the peace rule

Tldr: agree

1:32 AM

Not to punish people as if they're being mean, but to make people check themselves when they wouldn't otherwise pick up on what they're doing

1:32 AM

A "tap the sign".moment

We're gonna have to have another conversation about Chris in Gartic Phone in here. x -x

what happened this time

The same thing that usually happens

strike 5 or something is it

7:35 PM

at this point just tell him he should not be entering gartics

7:35 PM

as in, "may not"

not the green thing

The same thing that usually happens

Can you be a bit more clear please?

Someone complained that Chris overrides their prompts entirely, and that they won't play Gartic anymore with them in the call.

8:19 PM

Also, like, at the end, they filled out three different prompts in "story" with as many 7s as they could, and another one with just the letter "a" in the middle of a story

yeah, that's enough of that.

8:20 PM

He has been amply warned.

If he doesn't like it or participate to the extent it damages other peoples fun, that is stinky..

This is the same fella who reinforces me on top of the hulks and tanks instead of a strategically beneficial fallback position in helldivers, expecting me to use my drop pod as a strategem, repeatedly, despite my request to be reinforced somewhere I can gather my wits, appeals to teamwork ethos, and ample explanation that my kit is not suited for close range combat. (edited)

9:08 PM

I don't know what it is but it's definitely a Chris thing that's not unique to Gartic.

Just not accepting input? ":/

9:08 PM

ALSO WOAH EVERY ADMIN WITH THE GREEN CIRCLE

9:09 PM

Lookit the member list, that's kinda sick

Life can prevail

A weird combination of Like Being super dense and refusing to listen when people tell that just cause that's how he sees fit to do things that doesn't mean it's what's best or what the group wants to do, But also being kind of lame about it where you can't tell if he's being malicious or just brain-lazy and unwilling to grow

9:11 PM

Remember when Chris did this the first time and I was like "oh man I know him I'm going to get personally involved and talk with him about it" Yeah I'm not doing that anymore man can drown if he simply shrugs when I give him a floaty.

he's been warned about this specific thing before

9:12 PM

let it fall

9:13 PM

Geese will know what I'm talking about but I'm absolutely certain this is the same chrisness why he's still banned from this one streamer despite hanging out with said streamer for literal years and having so much opportunity to work through it. He just shrugs and doesn't listen when people tell him the way he does something needs adjustment.

9:15 PM

I promise this isn't gossip, this is background to why I support a Gartic no Chrisfox decision. If he wanted to keep playing the game he would have listened.

Looks like everyone agrees

1:03 AM

Chris chan is no longer welcome in gartic phone sessions

Someone probably tell him though. I'm gonna delegate that to Zalia if you want to talk to him. This is the part where I'm not exactly confident in my own voice while I tell someone off.

i do not want to talk to him about this

3:51 AM

i have not been present in the sessions for many, many weeks, do not have any involvement with these sessions, and am not an impartial mod because he's a friend from outside this place. (edited)

3:52 AM

my personal tensions with the guy are already too much for me to deal with lately!

3:53 AM

Like i said, when this first happened and i figured cause i know him i could talk to him about that, it was not a good experience and i don't want any more of that between us

e ~e Alright, any volunteers? Or should I take it?

What about (and don't take this as me being pushy) but what about az or pure or one of the mods who aren't directly friends with him like you or me

5:06 AM

Seeing as this isn't a "let's help you improve" talk and more like cops showing up at your door to award a restraining order

I touched him once I am biased

5:06 AM

I can though

It would let me breath a huge sigh of relief if you did

Probably not tonight though, can do it early tomorrow

5:09 AM

Anything beyond getting nono'ed out of Gartic I should mention other than also being a general warning? (edited)

Ask geese for that one.

I don't think so? I've never felt really, uh... endangered, by his presence. He's sort of quiet, honestly.

I will talk to him tomorrow.

I can do it

7:17 AM

I don't have a relationship with him to ruin and i am never in gartic vc anymore, though i did witness this behavior of his in the last

He has, at the very least, been warned of this behavior by both Zalia and I on different occasions!

I never saw it personally, so, may make more sense for you to do it since I am never in Gartic.

I'll do it this afternoon

7:20 AM

When i get back from work

7:21 AM

Will try to be as civil and nice as possible

He typed something, then didn't send

11:25 AM

Will update you

No response

1:16 PM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

1:16 PM

I did my job

Yall don't have to ghost me as well smh

5:52 AM

Azserfy

Yall don't have to ghost me as well smh

hi :c

6:06 AM

s-sorry

6:06 AM

th-thanks? It was just sort of an uncomfortable situation, i didn't want to respond first

6:07 AM

felt like i did enough talking in here already Talking quota

Azserfy

I did my job

Shark reward dispensing

6:13 AM

6:37 AM

Geese knows how to treat a shark

We need an admin to replace the one in

7:22 AM

# PERMANENT BELLY JAIL

7:22 AM

I vote Mink, I just like the guy

Hey!

7:23 AM

No perma endo please

7:23 AM

not the green thing

I vote Mink, I just like the guy

Ceasar, think it would be funny knowing we gave him 200% more stress by giving him powers he would never use.

God creating Gohan

"I don't want to fight god I want to read book." What a nerd.

thats a good animation

6:33 PM

but uh

6:33 PM

im a little transfixed by that artist tag

6:33 PM

6:34 PM

jesus christ thats so sexy

6:34 PM

graphic design is literally my passion

yiyani is one mf

yeah i cant read this

Zalia @ FWA

Click to see attachment 🖼️

This looks like symbols that would light up on ancient technology to let you know it is the advanced ancient civilization trope.

i would get this as a tattoo

Pure

This looks like symbols that would light up on ancient technology to let you know it is the advanced ancient civilization trope.

Atlantis

wow the verd/winded voicechat combo is hmm haven't had a chance to experience it full force firsthand

8:18 PM

i now understand the appeal of a quiet or focus voicechat

Yeah, chats generally only survive about 10 minutes of it. I learned to bail

i quickly realized how little "art while i chat with folks" i was able to do, as it essentially became everyone being absolutely silent as verd and winded make constant noise

8:20 PM

that sucks people like mana and kink are in there right now, folks i'd love to catch up with or say hello to, but i'm literally unable to with verd trying to talk to them all the time and winded making bird noises

Kah, completely unprovoked, hopped into Kalzone and immediately said they had hopped into call and were overwhelmed by non-stop Verd.

I can talk to Verd about taking VC real estate x -x

that would be a difficult conversation

8:42 PM

i vote we just acknowledge this is an issue of personality to ourselves in private

8:42 PM

and kinda.. wait for more death threats?

8:42 PM

(in regards to the information verd mentioned to geese where apparently someone told him to kill himself when he and winded were doing their thing in vc) (edited)

Zalia @ FWA

(in regards to the information verd mentioned to geese where apparently someone told him to kill himself when he and winded were doing their thing in vc) (edited)

That happened? Who? Regardless of personal annoyances, not a justifiable thing to say ever.

i did not press verd for more details but i was thinking in my head "yeah i can imagine they got pissed at you if you were acting annoying when lots of people were trying to chill"

8:48 PM

Obviously leaving and going to a quieter vc is better than saying stupid shit

I still think we should know that.

you should ask verd then If it's something he tattled to geese about in public it's something he'll probably give to another mod if asked in private

Imo, anyone whose first point of lashing out is something that genuinely hateful, that really sucks. Unless there was a joking aspect of it other people picked up on that he didn't, but even then would like to know since that is still pretty blech. Also, when did he post it in public?? I feel like I missed something.

Zalia @ FWA

wow the verd/winded voicechat combo is hmm haven't had a chance to experience it full force firsthand

what is it?

8:55 PM

i'm never in vc

just :\ verd being verd and winded is constantly verbally stimming and the two are like beavis and butthead

winded is constantly verbally stimming

9:05 PM

i mean

9:05 PM

we could try asking him not to

he does try

9:13 PM

hes in focus room right now actually being quiet

hear me out: push to talk.

man is either watching us stream or working on his own thing

9:14 PM

hes just chillin

9:14 PM

and partaking in the convo

push. to. talk.

sure, ill mention it next time?

9:14 PM

but its like he clearly only makes weird noises when he's near the sorts of people who feed back into the chaos

What's that tag?

Hey Admins and Mods! Starting May 15, it's possible you might notice something new next to some of your members' usernames:

Guild Tags

See a cute little tag next to a member's username or profile? That's a Guild Tag, which indicates someone's membership to a chosen Guild. You can click on this tag to see the Guild profile, and even apply for membership there as well. What this means for you, beloved Admins and Mods, is that if your server's AutoMod is on, it will also check for Guild Tags

What's a Guild? It's a small, exclusive server that members can apply to join. These servers are tight-knit communities where members can relish in shared identities, hobbies, play styles, and more!

Please note that Guilds are only available to a small number of servers at this time, so not every server has access to this experiment. Additionally, our support team cannot manually add servers to this experiment.

Much love, The Discord Team

Fuck off shitbot

Yeah fuck off

8:01 AM

Shakes stick

Community Updates

What's that tag?

Hey Admins and Mods! Starting May 15, it's possible you might notice something new next to some of your members' usernames:

Guild Tags

See a cute little tag next to a member's username or profile? That's a Guild Tag, which indicates someone's membership to a chosen Guild. You can click on this tag to see the Guild profile, and even apply for membership there as well. What this means for you, beloved Admins and Mods, is that if your server's AutoMod is on, it will also check for Guild Tags

What's a Guild? It's a small, exclusive server that members can apply to join. These servers are tight-knit communities where members can relish in shared identities, hobbies, play styles, and more!

Please note that Guilds are only available to a small number of servers at this time, so not every server has access to this experiment. Additionally, our support team cannot manually add servers to this experiment.

Much love, The Discord Team

This sounds cringe and uncool

VIP club for importanter members

1:32 PM

We already had secret channels and roles, i don't see how this was necessary

It's probably so that discord groups for unsavory things can give themselves a dogwhistle for automod to track

I wonder if you can turn the guild tags off... Regardless, just sounds like a redflag machine for people want attention.

There are complicated server things that I feel like others servers have that ours doesn't though

4:26 PM

Like

4:27 PM

Like this entire menu is something you can summon in some other servers, and you can pick and choose roles and text channels you want

4:28 PM

I dunno, it's not necessarily important to me, but I am officially curious about new features for fear that we're gonna slowly become stone age

I can be Lagopus....

they roll this crap out in waves, i've already seen mine get the notification

6:00 PM

BASED BASED BASED

You guys are voluntarily ignorant of what I'm talking about

Vulpine! :3 (edited)

not the green thing

You guys are voluntarily ignorant of what I'm talking about

O o

8:18 PM

Um we're a community server we'll get features eventually

8:19 PM

I do think discord intentionally delays experimental features arriving in servers with lots of nsfw channels to make sure that most of the community feedback and beta testing happens in those freakishly big and public "official this and that" servers where they hope to get the most diverse test user base

8:19 PM

That's my conspiracy theory at least

not the green thing

You guys are voluntarily ignorant of what I'm talking about

hey now geese

8:31 PM

nothing you said was a prompt for a reply

8:32 PM

we're not conspiring against you

Azserfy

hey now geese

If that came off aggressive, sorry, sometimes I think my sarcastic tone (when I intend one) can be picked up on in text

Zalia @ FWA

I do think discord intentionally delays experimental features arriving in servers with lots of nsfw channels to make sure that most of the community feedback and beta testing happens in those freakishly big and public "official this and that" servers where they hope to get the most diverse test user base

But what I mean is, like, I joined a server somebody had recently made, one with a lot of features like this! Like, granted, it was a server made by someone intensely tech-savvy, but in my head that just means there's options we have that I don't know how to access.

8:56 PM

The server I took that screenshot from has 56 members. (edited)

8:57 PM

... Also a lot of nsfw content.

Sounds like we need to kidnap and exploit a tech savvy friend we can pay in exclusively cocoa krispies and exposure

I can message them, I just uh

9:03 PM

It's a friend who is a commissioner, not artist, and who I'm officially kind of protective over

I am mostly kidding, free labor is cring and smelly

Free labor is the admin role

Aww :3 Artists being protective over their commissioners is so sweet

Zalia @ FWA

Aww :3 Artists being protective over their commissioners is so sweet

"I need him alive, he has our wallet." (edited)

"our" rotfl

12:21 AM

Dude I'm guilty of this

12:21 AM

Having one or two friends who really clicks with me on like, kinks we both enjoy and other normal hobbies and interests, the kind of friend who commissions you at the drop of a hat but you also know them so well you know they'll 100% love an idea you draw for them

12:23 AM

And then you watch them interact with their other friends and stuff, getting or drawing art of other things with other people and it's perfectly normal and you're not bothered by it but you still almost ironically feel protective of them

12:23 AM

Like not wanting them to become corrupted by anything

12:24 AM

Like fuck I hope nobody starts hitting on them too seriously or they don't stumble into some weird kink you can't keep up with

One of the reasons I became a mod is because I'm savvy with bots

12:26 AM

There's just been no bot reccomendations

Not a ton of bots are needed, I'm making that judgement because of how infrequently people besides verd ask for them

12:29 AM

Verd had one good suggestion tho and it was that bot where you have one voice channel and every time someone joins it the bot makes a new channel and moves them to it, and users could customize them as they wished till everyone disconnected and the bot would delete it.

12:30 AM

Back when we had 2 or 3 voice channels and none of this kalzone drama it was a very extra suggestion that most of us didn't like but I feel like with how difficult finding the right state for the voice chats has been it would honestly be an upgrade

Zalia @ FWA

Verd had one good suggestion tho and it was that bot where you have one voice channel and every time someone joins it the bot makes a new channel and moves them to it, and users could customize them as they wished till everyone disconnected and the bot would delete it.

To make it so people can't see who is on?

6:54 AM

Idk if i get it

...no?

12:34 PM

Nothing's hidden it's just so users can choose to join the ongoing VC or start a new one

Can't you like... click another channel

12:46 PM

???

Wait no now I need to make a diagram or something

5:49 AM

Make A Voice chat (This is what users see) (edited)

5:50 AM

Make A Voice chat

@user

(A user has joined the channel) (edited)

5:51 AM

Make A Voice chat

Voicechat 1

@user

(The bot instantly creates a new channel and moves the user into it)

5:52 AM

(now users can choose to join their friend in that call, or join the first starter VC to trigger the creation of voicechat 2 in order to begin a different activity.

5:53 AM

(voicechat 1 will evaporate once everyone leaves, taking channel status messages and customizations with it, but the make-a-voicechat channel will stay,.with the bot watching it for new users)

5:55 AM

(if we give users the ability to customize voice channels, such as adding a user limit, changing the status message, or changing the bitrate, but don't allow them to make or delete them, the bot manages the creation of new channels as needed, to order.

5:55 AM

(I have not researched the bot's capabilities past this but I assume it likely the bot has other automation features and capabilities, such as the ability to set default or request custom channel settings)

5:57 AM

(technically we could keep kalzone as is but this bot would replace the hangout, art, and quiet rooms with channels that are functionally the same but are only created when needed, as needed, at the cost of users needing to learn how to open that drawer before they could curl up in it)

Hmmm

7:42 AM

If you think it's important

7:43 AM

I'm still not sure i see why it is but i have no particular opposition

I hardly trust discord bots as is because they usually overcomplicate incredibly simple stuff. That or just outright break stuff and it takes more time than it would be worth to fix. If you think its good, sure, but I don't see the necessity myself. I feel though this will be incredibly annoying on sundays for drawpile/Gartic where a lot of people join then all getting fired off into individual channels.

Yeah it seems like an over engineered and complicated way to fix something that isn't broken

10:32 AM

We have several VCs and people can just click on the one they want

10:33 AM

Sure they can't add custom emotes but do they need to?

Kennyyeen

I hardly trust discord bots as is because they usually overcomplicate incredibly simple stuff. That or just outright break stuff and it takes more time than it would be worth to fix. If you think its good, sure, but I don't see the necessity myself. I feel though this will be incredibly annoying on sundays for drawpile/Gartic where a lot of people join then all getting fired off into individual channels.

I feel like we're gonna keep Art Voice no matter what

it was just a suggestion

9:02 PM

because so far having our existing voicechats has been six times more complicated than the idea of adding such a bot was nearly a year ago

How do threads work? Noticed Verd made a random thread in the Novice Art chat to... I think pursue a very specific topic with Vulture? Kinda confused on it ngl

They allow a long chain of messages to not take up space in a channel and to not show up as unread messages to people who aren't actively in the thread

6:41 AM

That's a good move from verd

Okay! Wasn't sure how it changed things, thank you.

they sort of evaporate if enough time passes without people adding to it

3:27 PM

much better than clogging up a posting channel

Apparently Verd left.

damn

9:31 PM

did something happen

Nevermind (edited)

a custom client that lets you see invisible chats?

Maybe?

9:36 PM

One of his is gone now

didn't know that was a thing

Azserfy

a custom client that lets you see invisible chats?

Apparently that is a thing. Forgot he had two accounts.

9:39 PM

But yeah, he sent a screenshot of the "kalzone" chat to Kink, he never responded and as far as I know that was the end of the interaction with anyone before that one account left.

if that is all that happened, then i motion to say it's not a problem for us to fix (edited)

9:43 PM

kink can leave messages waiting for long moments sometimes even with no emotional stakes in them

9:43 PM

if you get pissy from waiting and rage leave it's not the mod's mission to drag you back

Yeah, just making sure everyone is aware that may be what happened

Using external clients isn't even allowed in discord's bread and butter terms of service

10:13 PM

If that's how he found out there was a chat he couldn't see, I hope he didn't admit to it

10:14 PM

Rule of cool is you pretend those toys don't even exist

10:17 PM

I do not see the deleted messages

10:19 PM

But yeah I don't know what's going on maybe he just got tired of having two accounts here

Only way I could think of him seeing it sort of someone sending a screenshot

10:20 PM

oh well

If you have two discord accounts and both are on a server, if you get mad and leave them why not leave with both accounts...?

Zalia @ FWA

I do not see the deleted messages

zalia enunciates a rule and instantly breaks it

Huh where did I break a rule

10:26 PM

I was saying what people with hacked clients should say, where they use their superpowers but don't "metagame" because it confirms they are breaking TOS in a screenshottable and reportable form

Zalia @ FWA

If you have two discord accounts and both are on a server, if you get mad and leave them why not leave with both accounts...?

May just be a complete coincidence, the timing would just be wacky

Fake petition to rename the kalzone to Calzone and kal to cal and never mention it

sure

This mod team as a horrible track record of just asking the person of interest

1:05 AM

Has anyone asked him?

1:05 AM

But regardless this doesn't sound like a problem

1:06 AM

We shouldn't do anything cuz that would be dumb and show we focus on looks more than upholding the peace

1:06 AM

Don't Barbara Streisand

Sometimes we gossip amongst ourselves about situations, speculative or not, that aren't always tactful to just bring up with someone

5:10 AM

If someone had actually asked said person of interest that would have counted as "doing anything"

5:11 AM

I think the vibe of the discussion was poking each other for additional info to come to a consensus

5:12 AM

Don't just chide us for not getting involved then say we shouldn't get involved, you wouldn't have known if it sounded like a problem or not if it hadn't been talked about here! ShibeLenny

Trite

This mod team as a horrible track record of just asking the person of interest

My initial message was just an update of what I knew so everyone was on the same page, I edited it once I remembered he had two accounts because it felt less accurate, and then made the statement again just mentioning the interaction with Kink. Just listing off what I knew so others did. For me, wasn't anything that needed further elaboration; just wanted everyone to know in case something did come up. (edited)

... To be sure, we really shouldn't be using the kalzone as much as we have.

not the green thing

... To be sure, we really shouldn't be using the kalzone as much as we have.

Agreed, but also different discussion.

I obviously like it; but also kinda really need to rework it in a way that doesn't feel targetting. More than a few people kinda exclusively only exist in there and doubt that will change and arguably the usage of it to the extent it is means that the kalzone serves a purpose. On one hand I have the mentality that some people are allowed things others aren't; but also don't feel the best about it. I do however want to rename it so it isn't "Just a person's name" and feels less like a massive surprise if someone does manage to find it and more, "Oh, makes sense they would have a Hyper Quiet Corner I suppose." If that makes sense. I don't really like hiding things or having to cover it up. (edited)

Slowly, I'm getting to the place that says Kal should just make his own server rather than have an exclusive hangout zone in this one. The friend group there isn't really artist-based anyway, innit?

not the green thing

Slowly, I'm getting to the place that says Kal should just make his own server rather than have an exclusive hangout zone in this one. The friend group there isn't really artist-based anyway, innit?

I mean, we have done our own little drawpiles in there. It is where I felt comfortable talking to people around wanting to learn to draw and getting a private few lessons.

1:57 PM

Same with Caesar, shares his art in there often where he wouldn't anywhere else.

1:59 PM

I am not opposed to the idea of revamping it and addressing negatives, but the caveat of Kal making his own server (which he wouldn't do since I know he doesn't want the headache.) would be some people genuinely just no longer being around; himself partially included.

2:03 PM

I think the value in having a place where people who otherwise wouldn't join is at least valuable to keeping some of them server active. Can name off a few people who have only become active again because of it. Again, if there is even the substantive hint it is actively taking away from the server in a way that cannot be just addressed, I will delete it this moment. I also am gonna rename it for the time being, considering we have gotten too complacent in roping Kal into the discussion of how the room operates when he has had borderline zero say in the matter. (edited)

I think the "Kalzone" is a good place, its one of the only chats i show up to because it feels cozy and spares me from overly large groups. Plus, it gives me a null chance of encountering individuals i have no desires to converse with

like verd?

Asking that in particular feels like setting Blue up for a "Gotcha" gonna be honest. Most people are FINE with him but just overwhelmed by the noise sometimes. Literally just happened to me where the main chat went from smaller group to like 10 people fighting over time to time to make noise. It happens.

Asking that in particular feels like setting Blue up for a "Gotcha" gonna be honest.

i was just curious

9:59 PM

what gotcha would there even be here???

Just been trying to be clear the kalzone discussion and the sentiment on Verd are two seperate things. Also, he posted screenshots while discussing his hacked Discord client and looking into it further; there is a non-zero chance you can get one that gives access to reading messages in chats you don't have access to. Most hacked clients do not, but some do. I am tempted to ask further, but my mood is not correct to handle this well right now. (edited)

Just checked his stream where he had discord open, can see any hidden chats or channels including this one but doesn't appear he can open the chats or interact. Just wanted to make sure.

Azserfy

what gotcha would there even be here???

Apologies though, today has been a wretched day and may just be overthinking everything.

This is a weird discord server for me. I've never been in a place that is supposed to be so exclusive yet has such little screening. Which is so open and accepting yet has members many people simply tolerate.

10:55 PM

It's not like it's a disfunctional social space at all, it's usually pretty primo environment for hanging out

10:57 PM

I think it's just cause it's like a weird oligarchy where a couple leaders sort of manage the infrastructure in the background instead of an autocracy where one person made the server, it's "their" server, and it's unspoken that the purpose of the server is whatever they make of it and the members should adhere to their standards

Azserfy

like verd?

There are a good few i'm not comfortable sitting in chat with for a variety of reasons

Talked to Verd, seems we are all good. Blamed myself for letting it reach the point where it hurt him, but he understands. (edited)

He deleted the message after this; but still not gonna want this happening much more.

I am going to be clear that any further prodding of either the chat itself or of individuals he knows are in there (which again is information he has only gotten because of a hacked client) will be considering harassing and I will take it seriously when talking to him.

Is it reasonable to request Winded chill a bit? No-mic is normally kinda a free for all but I feel like that was kinda pushed today? Heard from a few people they looked in there to get a vibe and kinda said fuck no to the hangout. Seems it was mostly just them posting just to post with minimal interaction with others.

Perhaps

9:35 PM

It's not a meme channel

9:35 PM

If you're not talking to someone about it you don't need to spam it

@not the green thing

6:21 PM

Do we wanna let Verd publicly whine?

If it's about people in the server, no. If it's about things, yeah. Drama is inclusive of gossip, so that's against the rules. Dissatisfaction isn't.

6:28 PM

Sending this so you guys don't think I'm doing anything in private

6:28 PM

He's playing dumb

I wouldn't describe him as snarky with me, at least beyond the point I told him to chill. However...

Wheh

"Must be important research" is being "snarky"

Verd is using a hacked client to see chats, including the modded chat, which he can't read he just can see it exists.

Yeah I'm aware

6:31 PM

That still breaks TOS

Which, whether or not if it's against TOS, I don't reaaaaaally care. I'm getting more reclusive about this.

6:31 PM

People can do drugs in calls, apparently, so we're not really holding an obligation.

You see a problem happening and you're dipping out

No, Trite, I'm saying the only rule is no drama.

He was also warned

He's actually not really being dramatic about it this time.

He's being a dick and because you have no specific rule about it you're letting it slide

Who is he being a dick to

He was starting drama by asking you publicly in the server despite him already knowing (edited)

not the green thing

Who is he being a dick to

There's been multiple cases including now

Oh, yeah, I mean, I told him it's a mod chat that I would've deleted if it were possible.

Why are we reporting to him

6:33 PM

Explaining ourselves

6:33 PM

Shouldn't have to.

He was trying to put you on the spot like it was some gotcha moment because he thinks there's shit going on when there isn't

He didn't get me in a gotcha because I cannot be gotten. :/

6:33 PM

It'd be a gotcha if I was doing something wrong.

That's what I'm saying

6:34 PM

He's treating it like it is when it isn't

He texted me directly, I will talk to him.

Hence why I'm telling him to knock it off

But also, what exactly did I miss? Looks like it was deleted.

6:35 PM

I am assuming a screenshot of the hidden chat, showing people with a message that says, "Drawpile? <: " or something.

6:36 PM

In the middle of stuff, so didn't catch it.

He sent a screenshot of the Kalzone chat pinging Geese to ask what it was about

It was a post where he was like "Geese what's this?" and had a picture of #bored-sharks-yac... the chat, a picture of the chat title.

Was it the admin chat or Kalzone?

Admin chat.

Okay, that is different. Weird and like, very... Odd to expect us to explain things to him, in public nevertheless. But not exactly what I warned him against.

He's trying to start shit by being mad at things he did himself and is being a jealous immature person about not having access to everything

6:40 PM

And he's being further immature by trying to make drama by putting shit out in public to make it a stage, when he sends a screenshot of the mod chat like it's some great conspiracy exposed

6:40 PM

Every fucking server has a mod chat

6:40 PM

And sorry to say we can have shit he's excluded from

6:40 PM

He's not the only one being excluded, he's not special

6:41 PM

He's just the one being a big fucking baby about it

Trite

And sorry to say we can have shit he's excluded from

Did he ask to see it? I am gonna talk to him directly, but I understand the frustration.

Trite

And he's being further immature by trying to make drama by putting shit out in public to make it a stage, when he sends a screenshot of the mod chat like it's some great conspiracy exposed

Okay, but nobody else is actually on board I'm realizing too.

6:42 PM

Like. He's actually being dumb. And that's not really a crime. Except for the TOS thing, which is sort of... its own consequence.

I am gonna talk to him from my own perspective.

But also. Eh. Like, you guys do whatever you need to.

6:43 PM

I'm not good at being a mod, let alone server owner.

Yeah, being dumb isn't a crime, but him being a dick about it while being dumb is hella disrespectful

6:44 PM

You say no drama, here's the dumbass drama he's trying to start because he's being jealous about not having access to everything (edited)

6:45 PM

he did the same thing about the capped channels sending screenshots to people expecting to be let in, he's already sent shit to Pure and there's no reason to send the mod chat being all "what's this about huh?"

6:46 PM

Idk why you guys try and defend this problem person (edited)

6:47 PM

This isn't middle school, he doesn't need to be guided or pushed in the right direction by good influence teachers, he's an adult, he's a fully developed man

6:48 PM

I'm gonna keep ranting about this if I don't stop though

6:48 PM

He won't listen to me (edited)

"I don't think you're doing this but here's what you might be doing, again I don't think you're doing this"

6:54 PM

Look at his actions

6:55 PM

Look at how he says this shit

6:55 PM

He is doing the "Explain yourself" schtick, not might be

6:56 PM

It's so watered down he's not even gonna think he's doing anything wrong

I don't personally give him the benefit of the doubt here, but being accusatory destroys any chance of helping him if there is any chance of doing so. This is kinda my last attempt, so giving it a genuine go.

Trite

This isn't middle school, he doesn't need to be guided or pushed in the right direction by good influence teachers, he's an adult, he's a fully developed man

^

Expectations set.

Trite

This isn't middle school, he doesn't need to be guided or pushed in the right direction by good influence teachers, he's an adult, he's a fully developed man

And agreed, but I get the sense this part isn't fully malicious and want to see how much he actually reads when a book is given. Beyond that, this is the most I am willing to do.

Considering his one word response

7:11 PM

I don't have a lot of faith here

Tbf, only really screencapped the most important bits for me personally. There was a bit more in between.

7:17 PM

Regardless of how I feel, I feel I explained it fairly well and it is on him from here on out.

I disagree with the sentiment because verd has been the subject a number of times for things we've told him not to do. He has been a repeat offender for the channel spotting within a months span from kalzone to now the admin channel and we approached him about it before, expressed the reasons he shouldn't, then he did it again. He's already earned two warnings from previous misdemeanours from picking fights with admins. I am sure you can see if you type in Verd or Verdrusk in the search queue his history here. I am not keen to pass out any further warnings, I vote his next mistake is a ban

9:47 PM

I would do it now, but three admins are interested in another chance

Too be clear, I was as clear and upfront as I was because I see this as my own last attempt with him. I may have not told him that, but it is my last genuine attempt.

yeah I'm sorry for how I was acting yesterday

10:13 PM

Understand, I was sorta currently in a call with him and it's hard to think objectively about somebody you're standing next to.

10:13 PM

Again, this job is hard for me, whatever you guys decide is good, awa

10:17 PM

... I sorta hate owning this chat.

You are fine, again, as far as I know the last he heard from is me, what he does with those expectations is on him. No benefit of the doubt, no dwelling amongst ourselves without talking to him directly. It is set and either to be followed or not, that simple. Personal feelings and past histories aside.

This is an unhappy topic and geese's anxiety is a good thermometer for how testy the waters are.

12:13 AM

Personally I feel like verd has been a problem member of the server for literal years now, a reason some people have left/only lurk now, myself included. I don't see him as a malicious person but I think he's oblivious and awkward and bullheaded and unwilling to listen to others, communicate properly, or try and change. This makes him irritating and the subject of many complaints but hard to ban, as he's not really breaking the server rules- which apparently consists of only one rule, "no drama", which is something easy to stay just shy of crossing when you simply type :V instead of digging the situational hole you dug even deeper.

12:14 AM

I think if the one server rule was something like "maintain the harmony of this sacred and exclusive space for the good of others lest be banned", we'd have no problem pulling a vote to kick him.

"He isn't making any drama" The drama:

He isn't making any drama because he's not manipulative. He's oblivious. He is the drama.

12:15 AM

Don't undermine what I'm trying to say, trite

12:15 AM

I'm saying that it's difficult to quantify just what the issue is in any given situation without bringing personal bias into it because personal bias involves all the stuff he's done and the way he's acted in the past.

I'm trying to add to it, not undermine

I suppose x3

I was telling this to Pure in a vc earlier, I don't hate him, I don't think he's malicious, he's just for a lack of more professional terms, a dumbass

12:16 AM

He hasn't been nice to me since I first even joined the server though

My point is that he is unhealthy for the server even if unknowingly

I'm expecting pushback cause I'm basically just saying what I've been saying for ages- I don't like him, I don't like how he acts or the company he provides, I don't like the ways he treats and talks about others and I think he's a terrible fit for this server. I can finger him as the absolute number one reason why the server has been soured for me and I no longer want to hang out here or partake in conversation or events. It's a huge personal sore spot for me and I can't help but make it personal.

12:18 AM

Which is why I've sat out on this conversation till I saw geese getting all regretti spaghetti Cause I can't be an unbiased judge

I am not a fan of them, but its not my personnel bias why I want them to go, its just how they affect the servers atmosphere, they are so forefront and prevalent that they reach into every subject and find a way to make them self a part of it. The server ideas channel fiasco, the Creation of Kalzone, The use of third party apps to somehow make a new issue and bringing it up twice. They somehow create problems

Sometimes it's just the fact that he makes so much effort to plop himself down in the server and enjoy it without really giving anything to the social part. He doesn't interact with people as nice as he wants people to interact with him, and usually just flat out refuses to interact unless the person has flattered or been sex positive with him.

12:29 AM

He doesn't just make comments about this space, he makes demands.

12:32 AM

Sorry, I know I'm being a bit negative. I'm just tired of the, like trite pointed out, reoccurring drama

12:33 AM

And I hold grudges.

I think my hold up is that I feel no malice behind his actions, which, too be clear, does not exonerate his actions or mean that he doesn't cause drama, but it does make me want to approach this differently. How many of you have talked with him recently? Or is the experience you are describing that was negative from a while back? I was in call with him literally this morning and I didn't feel how I felt even a few months ago. Yes, he meshes weirdly with some people, but that is a fault of a social dynamic where personalities come and go at a dime. Yeah, him and Winded together is rough to listen to, but how many of us have just asked for them to be a bit more careful of creating a feedback loop? I see a lot of bringing up far distant examples from people who genuinely haven't interacted with him in a long time, and I am not sure that is fair when in reality, at a baseline; our real gripe at the moment is how he interacts with us. Which, again, he has been warned and one more mistep is his goodbye. I feel like this has turned into venting years of frustration that easily could have been brought up directly but never really was, and at a certain point I feel partially at fault for that, and really don't see the harm in one last olive branch to make the decision less heavy on me if we make that choice. (edited)

I hang around him and chat almost everyday with him in Rykutas teamspeak, so i have a day to day with them

12:36 AM

Also, i am bringing up his previous warnings, not exactly negative interactions.

12:37 AM

the three strikes and you're out is the exemption for him is all i note. You can be a kind heart and have no ill intent, but it doesn't exempt somebody from poisoning the watering hole time and time again

I'm deleting a whole paragraph I wanted to type about feeling like he's a sex pest and a goon

12:40 AM

But I have these opinions

12:41 AM

I'm aware they're not very helpful but I have them and I'm annoyed at myself that I can't get past them and just contemplate his interactions outside that

He's blunt in conversation, and makes his thoughts of others very obvious, but its not a reason to ban them

12:42 AM

or even a warning unless it has gotten multiple complaints

He interacts with people with one word answers unless they simp for him or give him praise or the kind of sexual verbal roleplay he wants and that's not conducive to a space like this I can't even complain as I see obesity and gigantic cock content become more prevailent here due to him and who he invites/encourages. Cause it's not a reason to ban him!

12:44 AM

I'm very sore when he invites an artist like "artist friend I bet they'd be a good fit for the server" and it's just someone he had an interaction with on Twitter and is using the server as clout to hang out with them more

You're just saying the situation is not too dissimilar from Aymbord

Let me put it this way I suppose, I just worry we spent too much time discussing it amongst ourselves than being direct with him. I personally felt a lot better after the Aymbord situation and seeing that he was exactly the sorta little shit I thought he was. I feel like with him all we will end up with is someone who is unsure where exactly he mistepped, who he upset and why it hasn't been brought up until it boiled over. I don't see him having a sudden reveal as a terrible person, just someone who wasn't told aspects of them weren't everyone's cup of tea. (edited)

At least aym isnt... blunt with his clout chasing He's intentionally sneaky about it, he's not just following his dick

He has already told me he thinks the entire admin teams hates him and really wish they didn't.

I do not like him, it's true, but hes earned that feeling through our interactions

Also, to be fair... Horny on main is a thing fairly common in here, just his way of expressing it isn't for everyone.

I don't hate him it's just that this is a situation where he's someone I don't want to keep interacting with, dealing with, or being around and achieving that means stepping down as a mod and leaving

by our, i mean Verd and I

At least he censors his shit generally mostly, from what I noticed. (edited)

Yeah. He's not obnoxious about it enough to complain about without coming across as someone who just hates him to be mean (edited)

12:51 AM

I've just built up an inability to return to neutral about him after trying to just vibe so often and then end up leaving a call or muting him cause I get tired of it

12:54 AM

And I'm not even bringing up the impersonal annoyances of just being a mod in a server with him and getting to see what he does

And in no way are you wrong for feeling that way or having that opinion, I can see exactly where it stems from after interacting with him.

Yeah which is why I dont want to talk about wanting to ban him for whatever, I just want to serve as a cache of driving opinions for anyone who feels like continuing to not do something about it

My view of Verd is this: He's very attention driven, has to be front and center, the loudest voice. If he is not, he leaves after making a snide comment. He's very sexual driven, but then again i'm not faulting that, this is practically a porn server now. He likes to surround himself with popular people who draw similar stuff as him. He uses his neurodivergence as a crutch for most social interactions, an excuse for his behavior which I find as bad. In other words, hes a diet Aymbord, not insidious, but really obnoxious

12:58 AM

Thats what I have from my interactions past and present

It's a porn server but I bristle at the idea of it being an attention stage. The art and the doing of art should be the focus, not having a hot fursona (self sona?) And meeting/engaging with people who can tease all over your kinks.

I feel we all share different images of the server but share a common sentiment, promote learning art first

I'll be blatantly honest I have a hot wolf fursona because I want to be attractive to people and get positive and often sexual attention That's why I'm a furry I want to be fun, that's why I draw things going in holes I want people to be excited by what I do But idk I'd welcome flirty attention in my personal server where it's all my close friends and I dish it out just as fast but this place is almost like a more serious, task-oriented space.

1:02 AM

Like this place isn't about us and our social circle and connections. It's about having an almost exclusive hangout where we do drawpiles, which are themselves a powerful clout sink because they both elevate people's artistic efforts and present their work as being integrated and complimentary with artwork that is, often times, leagues above it.

1:02 AM

It's "We draw together here", not "Look where I draw and with who"

1:03 AM

So I bristle when someone puts on the charm a little too obviously

1:04 AM

I'm being a little over simplistic with my take of the server obviously. Clearly people just be fun and interact with friends here, nobody has that idealistic focus on feeding the drawpile culture

Let's also be fair and say that these definitions are essentially ones we made for ourselves and have never been implemented, discussed or actually pushed for in a meaningful way. We are kinda asking someone to play by a rulebook of peeves we are writing now.

Yeah Per my last minute message x3

1:06 AM

But our lack of implementation of such a strict culture is why people are inviting more and more friends recently, friends I'm not sure we've asked if they are artists or not? Are people inviting friends to play videogames still?

1:06 AM

I haven't had my finger on the pulse in some time. I haven't interacted in the server in ages.

1:06 AM

I'm just not on vibe.

I do apologize if I am coming off as stubborn, but I am very vibes driven and this just doesn't feel right. I made a direct request of him and plan on stepping back unless he violates that; suddenly being on a ban Verd train would feel like I violated my end of that talk. (edited)

Do not make assumptions about my interactions like they are unfounded. I am thorough about my feelings about people and test them.

1:08 AM

But I still hold out on seeing what he does next. I respect the decisions of others here and won't do anything lest he steps out of line

Kennyyeen

Do not make assumptions about my interactions like they are unfounded. I am thorough about my feelings about people and test them.

Not making assumptions, was just generally curious.

Okay, that's fine

Zalia @ FWA

But our lack of implementation of such a strict culture is why people are inviting more and more friends recently, friends I'm not sure we've asked if they are artists or not? Are people inviting friends to play videogames still?

Honestly, only one I am not sure in terms of recent is BluDoe, I know he most gets a lot of commissions and I believe he does 3D modelling, but not certain.

Kennyyeen

Okay, that's fine

I realized I didn't quite have a read on how much recent Verd action people had going on even outside of the server and was curious.

I played a few games with him as of late with Ry and crew. He makes his feelings and mannerisms very obvious in games

Pure

I do apologize if I am coming off as stubborn, but I am very vibes driven and this just doesn't feel right. I made a direct request of him and plan on stepping back unless he violates that; suddenly being on a ban Verd train would feel like I violated my end of that talk. (edited)

No I get it I know my vibes are off I'm sorry

1:26 AM

I'm mostly emotion driven and don't like using my head too much

In the end, you have reasons to feel that way and they are valid, I just want to make it clear I am not dismissive of your experiences and feelings. I care, and in the end hoping we can do something that hurts no one. If it is still possible.

I am fine with finding mutual solution, the good end if we can

I also don't wish ill on verd, id be happy if we decided to talk to him, ban him, or nothing at all tbh as long as people see my pov of the guy just continuing to present issues

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Ayo so, we should probably talk to Loki

7:35 AM

Just hearsay atm but apparently dude's associated with CallMeCarson who is a youtuber who had some allegations for sexting and grooming kids

7:36 AM

Just... dunno if we want that kind of association here in the server

I unfortunately know zero about any of this, only know he is relatively well known cause Jon and Dannie seemed excited to see him.

Trite

Ayo so, we should probably talk to Loki

"Guy knows someone shitty"

"Guy possibly defending a pedo"

8:17 AM

Just wanna talk to him to make sure

Ignoring this kind of problem is rampant in every online community

9:25 AM

I'm with trite

I definitely think it fair to ask.

Okay, counterpoint: Rhodesy.

2:20 PM

I'm usually on the lower end of obliviousness, but I'm like... Like so sure of this one. Just, wholly. Man is associated with other man. If I shook Trump's hand, I wouldn't deform into a political idiot suddenly. It's the MOST slippery slope if we start grading people by their single shittiest action.

Meeting someone and actively defending their actions are different. Share a room with Trump coincidentally, or even associate due to a momentary chance? Potentially fine. Defend their actions, partially makes their sins your own. (edited)

2:23 PM

Again, I know nothing about any of this, just that we can always stand to be more careful.

Pure

Meeting someone and actively defending their actions are different. Share a room with Trump coincidentally, or even associate due to a momentary chance? Potentially fine. Defend their actions, partially makes their sins your own. (edited)

I think there's a difference! It's one thing to talk about being a Muslim, it's another to be a Muslim. Comparing it like that is why I feel like it's a slippery slope.

2:24 PM

Anybody is free to ask them, anyway. Just, if the answer isn't "Oh THAT GUY IS THE WORST," we're not about to ban someone.

"Nah, he isn't a Nazi, he just thinks this guy who is very clearly a Nazi has some good points."

Okay, but what I'm saying is if he answers with "I don't believe [those terrible things] happened," that's fine

2:27 PM

Keep in mind, we aren't defending horrible actions, but we have sorta refugees from cancel culture in this chat because people aren't the sum of only their negative attributes.

That wasn't your previous point, but regardless, I don't feel qualified to argue the legitimacy of internet claims because I genuinely don't know anything about this. And yeah, they aren't the sum of negatives, but I also think it is fair to be critical of them and have have a hard line, and anything remotely related to underage exploitation is that for me. I am not sure how much is confirmed or not, but I also think that if it IS legitimate or founded in reality, it is fair to criticize associates 100%. (edited)

2:36 PM

But again, this is us arguing a hypothetical. Removed from this exact scenario, I think we can agree we don't want someone around who would actively defend or keep company with a pedophile. Yeah? (edited)

Trite

Just hearsay atm but apparently dude's associated with CallMeCarson who is a youtuber who had some allegations for sexting and grooming kids

This is the wildest thing I've ever read after waking up

3:28 PM

I don't think we should go on a witch hunt because having connections to a YouTuber (most likely through gaming, if we can make a good guess) who has accusations of grooming minors around their heads is not the same as thinking an obvious Nazi has good points

3:29 PM

Worth checking into imo, but not in any way that feels like we're on some moral high ground or are going out of our way to search for excuses to persicute people with unfortunate connections on the internet.

3:31 PM

Usually in this sort of situation, responding to comments about this YouTuber with "oh man that person has so many allegations and problems associated with them. Great content, really terrible decisions :" is enough to get the point across that certain things aren't welcome being brought into our server, endorsement of a recently discovered pedophile included. It's informative discouragement instead of persicution, read me?

3:32 PM

We don't judge people on their willingness to condemn someone they know when demanded, but on the values they hold despite who they know.

3:33 PM

I don't know what "connections" they have with CMC, granted, but I'm gonna default to "is a part of his discord server" until I learn otherwise lol

not the green thing

Okay, counterpoint: Rhodesy.

That's a strong counterpoint

Zalia @ FWA

I don't know what "connections" they have with CMC, granted, but I'm gonna default to "is a part of his discord server" until I learn otherwise lol

From what I was told, legit friend, someone they did content with, but don't even know where to start looking into that. (edited)

I am not aware of the content of the rhodesy counterpoint I believe I missed whatever that was when it happened lel

Zalia @ FWA

I am not aware of the content of the rhodesy counterpoint I believe I missed whatever that was when it happened lel

I am not quite sure either, tbh Rhodesy is very good about vetting anyone controversy adjacent. (edited)

4:17 PM

I am doing what little research I can, seems they only interacted with Carson on twitter before 2022 unless something was deleted and I am assuming whatever content they did together was done in livestreams or vods.

4:18 PM

Also at work, so forgive a surface level glance.

Holy hell what is all this

(Vetting anyone politically opposing too, from personal experience)

Just talk to the guy that's literally all I'm saying

"all this" is just discussion

Trite

Holy hell what is all this

Good morning. :3

Dw

Trite

Just talk to the guy that's literally all I'm saying

And yeah, agreed.

Trite you made a suggestion that "we" talk to him and then it was discussed Unless we are all going to come together to write this dude an official memo I think all that matters is we all have our thoughts and endorse you or one other person having the talk with the guy, cause I at the least don't see myself being part of the "we" x3

4:37 PM

Sounds like a good idea to me, I don't see a problem with gathering more info in the interest of protecting the server from controversy. I just don't know how to broach the topic with a stranger, all I can advise is what attitudes to not bring to the table

4:44 PM

What's been interesting is seeing him join and then noticing verd has changed his bio and status to be callmecarson related...

4:45 PM

I wish I'd looked at verds profile sooner, to see if it was like that before :\

Nah, wasn't. Confirmed. Kal noticed it too and mentioned it was 100% new.

4:46 PM

Kal stalks people for funsies.

Verd really do just be sucking in his gut in the presence of anyone who looks like a rung on a social ladder

Zalia @ FWA

Verd really do just be sucking in his gut in the presence of anyone who looks like a rung on a social ladder

Sucking in the gut is the opposite of what he does actually. (edited)

Man, nasty.

4:47 PM

My ass is not laughing

I know what you mean though

4:47 PM

Been meaning to mention to stop flooding no mic with fatfur stuff. (edited)

My days in this server are numbered Eventually the social pot is gonna fill up and the scene here is gonna be dominated by verd and people he invites or kisses up to and I'll just be out

4:49 PM

I don't actually have a job here that needs me and my adversion to wanting to dip my toe into voice or post stuff in the channels is outgrowing my dedication to helping out as a mod

4:49 PM

Like legit, kalzone is the only place I enjoy

4:50 PM

And even that is illicit A social space shouldn't need a corner like that.

I am noticing an increase in... Non-artists he is bringing in. I am unfortunately uniquely pre-disposed to not being in the best position to criticize that. (edited)

4:51 PM

Blu was one I noticed. Cool cutie, someone local to me, but not an artist.

I don't mind someone not being artistically inclined as much as how they socialize and conduct business and pleasure

4:53 PM

There's not much you can do to gatekeep having an amicable and upkept personality tho

4:54 PM

Man I probably come across as really pissed rn- I'm not super upset, just tired. kathappe

Smile emoji to prove ut

Zalia @ FWA

I don't mind someone not being artistically inclined as much as how they socialize and conduct business and pleasure

I more mean that it dillutes the purpose of the server and turns it more into a him corner.

I'll drink to that

I have meticulously gone through every single role and removed every single permission to create invites except for the moderators'. (edited)

6:25 PM

I don't know why this pissed me off so much, but I'm, guh

6:25 PM

If y'all kick anybody from the server who is a non-artist, I won't even question it and will, in fact, defend it.

6:25 PM

Like. Goddammit.

Was someone else making roles?

Wait

6:58 PM

I meant create invites

6:58 PM

I editted it

6:58 PM

Freudian slip

Trite

Just hearsay atm but apparently dude's associated with CallMeCarson who is a youtuber who had some allegations for sexting and grooming kids

Wasn't this proven false over a year back?

I'm not hella into Carson so idk

I keep up with a fair bit of drama, over a year back it was proven false

I wish looking into internet drama was a easy as having a trustworthy list that goes "True" or "False", tried looking it up and all the top results had buddy looking like EDP

8:12 PM

So I dunno, is what I am saying. Outside my wheelhouse entirely

not the green thing

If y'all kick anybody from the server who is a non-artist, I won't even question it and will, in fact, defend it.

8:13 PM

I will keep trying, promise,,,

Bonus points for kicking Pure

Can I get the points?

That's recursive

8:15 PM

So

8:15 PM

I'll have to think about it

8:16 PM

I am surprised I can ban myself

not the green thing

I have meticulously gone through every single role and removed every single permission to create invites except for the moderators'. (edited)

I am gonna make a quick mention of that in the chat.

Hahahaha

9:28 PM

Do NOT

You think? I give it 12 hours before someone asks and @'s Geese about why that change was made anyhow, I think. Wanted to avoid the announcements since it isn't a big deal, but thought it worth saying.

9:30 PM

"Just so ya'll are aware, permissions were changed so only mods can generate invite links. We just want to make sure we have the ability to properly get a feel for people and vet accordingly, ensuring this remains a place for the artistically inclined. c: We meant to do this a while back and frankly forgor."

9:34 PM

Don't wanna do that if ya'll think it is a bad idea. ;w;

Pure

"Just so ya'll are aware, permissions were changed so only mods can generate invite links. We just want to make sure we have the ability to properly get a feel for people and vet accordingly, ensuring this remains a place for the artistically inclined. c: We meant to do this a while back and frankly forgor."

Yeah this is actually perfect Voicing our intent for the space, and when people complain, remind them that it's supposed to be a curated space, not a community driven gathering place

Okay, so this happened after sending an invite to Verd after he asked and gave me a person's twitter to verify. This seems kinda harassy and not a big fan of it.

9:36 PM

Might be overthinking, but definitely hits my bleh senses.

"so I have no idea what to do"

9:40 PM

Kidnap their loved ones? Bribe them? Threaten to jump off a bridge if they don't join?

9:40 PM

tf you want to do

I am beginning to interpret this as leveraging the group as a way of getting people to interact with him further/feel indebted for exposure to other people, maybe? (edited)

That's reading into it a bit. Earnestly, I don't think Verdrusk is likely to think that far ahead.

9:56 PM

He might just be pushing somebody to join the art server Where People Draw, but that's like... Best case scenario, trying to get his friend to draw more.

"He doesn't wanna join make him join"

I don't like this He's trying to get people to join, people who draw what he likes, so that he can spend more time with them or be seen by others as knowing then

12:35 AM

Like when he invited that blue dragon dude who does nothing but post his tweets

12:36 AM

"I don't know how to interact with these types of people" You... You don't? You don't harass them or pressure them to socialize outside their comfort zone? "These types of people"? Are they not your friend? Why else would you be inviting them, clout?

Zalia @ FWA

"I don't know how to interact with these types of people" You... You don't? You don't harass them or pressure them to socialize outside their comfort zone? "These types of people"? Are they not your friend? Why else would you be inviting them, clout?

Yeah, that statement is kinda why I can't imagine this is a friend he wants to bring in, and more someone he reached out to with the intent of using the chat as an excuse to bring the person closer. Tried asking if he knew this person and have yet to hear back.

Hrm :c

12:43 AM

Way to go verd

Trite is gone?

Yeah, TLDR; left with Nate after some relationship stuff.

Didn't the person he broke up with also leave the server a while ago

No this is a different relationship thing

Oh

10:35 PM

With someone who is still in then

Yes

10:47 PM

Az I miss you : (

server too big and gay now :(

10:49 PM

scamry

Does anyone know if https://x.com/marcfruitfox?s=21 Or Marcmoment got kicked? Apparently he was in the server and isn't now and is confused why

fruit fox (@MarcFruitFox) on X

20

NO MINORS

NSFW THEMES

comms - CLOSED

Azserfy

server too big and gay now :(

Sleepy creatch is private and you’re a mod just hop in there if you ever see us at a good time

10:52 PM

That chat came to be exactly due to the fact that there’s just so many freaking people here now

vc scary too

I am literally trying to covet and adore you

11:05 PM

Smh

have uh this

God you two are so cute tho

Pure

Does anyone know if https://x.com/marcfruitfox?s=21 Or Marcmoment got kicked? Apparently he was in the server and isn't now and is confused why

First I'm seeing of it ngl, I doubt anybody knows who this is enough to do it maliciously though

not the green thing

First I'm seeing of it ngl, I doubt anybody knows who this is enough to do it maliciously though

Okay! Wanted to ask before letting them come back or anything

Been playing around with emotes and stickers, adding more.

Art chat is stinky now.

How will this effect the trout population

Server has been hacked by Macedonia

LMFAOOO

Verdrusk was out here posting server links in sfw art. I deleted the link, but it should be in the audit

server links?

8:21 PM

aren't those restricted

I am not entierly sure, but he posted one

8:23 PM

no, anyone can post server links apparently

8:23 PM

did we talk about restricting it

8:23 PM

these are all the active links

I believe we limited the ability for anyone to invite people in here, not the outright ban of otrhers posting other server links

oh obviously wasn't talking bans

8:25 PM

more like, disabling the unlimited server links

yeah

8:25 PM

I can't recall a conversation about links, just for invites

just removed all the infinite links

Good call

Wait I am confused, what links did I do??? o:

8:45 PM

But also yeah, we had asked Verd to not post random discord groups in places without, at the very least, permission.

I wonder when I used that invite code

10:09 PM

And who I used it for lol

Also I understand everything now. :3

Okay so like, this is weird right? Like, making a post like this... What are we supposed to do, discuss their gender and how odd it makes us personally feel like that matters? I am like, glad no one engaged with it. But seeing that post out of context is very jarring.

x -x

1:09 AM

Yeah

Should I respond or just delete? I think I should just respond now that it has existed for hours.

1:11 AM

OH WAIT

1:11 AM

He meant that she follows him

1:11 AM

Which is still fucking weird to post about

1:12 AM

But doesn't bother me anymore

1:13 AM

My B

Grizz/Croco left the server, will have to have a discussion if they ever express interest in coming back.

Pure

Grizz/Croco left the server, will have to have a discussion if they ever express interest in coming back.

What happened? I haven't been here.

Tried to cause an issue in call. Long story for text, but they left on their own and blocked me, so. 🤷‍♀️

I can interview you about it later, then.

In call right now, can do a private one real quick if you want

Uhhhhhhhhhhh

intriguing

Basically; Jon and I were chilling in Sleepy Creach this morning when Grizz showed hopped in. I asked them how their morning was going and they immediately said, "Go to hangouts, you are here too much." I asked what they meant, and they went, "You all spend too much time in here, go somewhere else. You are just some shitty click" when it was literally just me and Jon. I told them I was driving and don't like to be in Hangouts if I can't interact because driving and they were like, "Don't care, you are pissing Rhodesy off." I told them I sorted things with Rho a long time ago and they just kept saying "Don't care just talk to Rhodesy." I then told them that I am willing to talk to them but not if they are going to talk to me but they can fuck off with the attitude and left the call. Called Rhodesy after because it didn't sound right and Rhodesy was just as confused and caught off guard by them acting up. Nothing recently happened to even remotely bring up an issue. Trust Rhodesy on that one and they recommended just kicking Grizz out of Sleepy Creach. I said I wanted to talk first and well...

1:03 AM

1:05 AM

Also Rho's side

Hmm, okay

1:07 AM

I don't know why, but I have a nagging feeling in my chest that Verd has some part in this. No proof to it, its like just a gut feeling i want to put out.

1:08 AM

Speculation, don't take my statement seriously

They had also been pushing on people's nerves. Assuming there is a bit more behind the scenes.

1:08 AM

Noticed several times they would sit in here and get no one's attention after a few bad interactions.

Mmhm, good to note

It was a thing I was working on in the background to approach with them. Never got around to it though.

You were not in the wrong for lashing out

8:00 AM

He approached you aggressively out of nowhere

8:01 AM

If the reporting was indeed factual, he doesn't belong here

8:01 AM

I can understand his frustration but this approach was shitty and inappropriate

8:08 AM

"Im getting less patients with furries every day"

8:08 AM

Typical guy who complains about the drama and is the single biggest constant drama bomb in all of his circles

Azserfy

Typical guy who complains about the drama and is the single biggest constant drama bomb in all of his circles

For context, the main gripe people had with them is that they would interrupt conversation to talk about arguments they would get into on Twitter.

and nothing of value was lost

verd's robot got permavored?

It did?

I think he permas his own characters when he gets bored of them, talked about it before.

I will be away for a while, anywhere from a few days to a few months as i am currently evacuating from my home. A category 4 hurricane is currently on a crash course with my location so I am getting out of state. The spread of time depends on when i get back internet/if i still have a home when i come back. This is just a heads up of my situation

Yeah, heard this one will be nasty. Be safe, keep us updated please.

I shall

Hey, been dwelling on this the last few days, but considering locking down the Kalzone. My initial justification of it was to allow a safe landing space for people who want to integrate themselves, but it has become obvioud these last few days (weeks even) that people aren't so willing to interact elsewhere when they have an exclusive place to linger. I feel my original argument no longer holds water, and will be better for this server if I restrict access and archive it. Turn the EA Sports into a "Distracted Discussions" chat or something of the like, for people who are in call when pre-occupied and non-focused. For like when I am in call at work or driving since I never wanted to annoy people with that in hangouts. Been dwelling on this for a tad.

2:16 AM

I still think there is utility in a safe place for anti-social people, but it is clear to me that it has directly stopped people from being in the visible aspects of the server and overall to its detriment. (edited)

I barely use VC so idk if I'm entitled to an opinion

7:35 AM

But this server got huge

7:35 AM

Many people left from the original cast because they no longer feel comfortable and safe here

7:36 AM

Is it our job to force the remaining ones to interact with strangers if they don't want to?

7:36 AM

Why do we care?

7:37 AM

Can't we let people have a place they enjoy?

Maybe the original cast was better...

9:17 AM

I dunno. If I could do it all again I'd probably make the same mistakes, but. I've never been an admin before. I don't know what I'm doing, I was hoping it'd be easier. (edited)

All servers have their phases and people that come and go, that's just how it goes! :) 200 users for a server that has existed this long isn't actually that much, people don't usually leave so the number just grows, even if overall activity stays the same.

I feel like that's willfully pretending that this server isn't clearly on a decline. Last drawpile, attendance was like, four, five people. That might be an all time low since maybe the second public drawpile here.

Regardless, I think the approach needs to be less hiding away and more taking things more seriously when people feel uncomfortable. We had a generally good night just chilling in Hangouts and talking to people, and if a quieter corner is needed... We have that too.

Force people into better habits by removing a feature Are we YouTube devs?

12:36 PM

Idk I'm kinda iffy about it

You are talking to the person who defended Kalzone the most. If it kills activity elsewhere, then it isn't worth doing. The place to escape to became the default with nothing to escape from

12:46 PM

It has been genuinely really stressing me out, and feel way better after removing accesses to it. I think this is for the better

Verd has been told directly to not use his mic mixer to bypass soundboard settings and play noises in call. I joined in and it was BLASTING. He has been warned in case anyone else runs into that.

so many problems could be fixed by just booting verd

8:34 PM

how about one week of mute

I already spoke to him so feels a bit late to do that now, but maybe next time? The fact I know there will be a next time makes me kinda just want to say we might as well slam the hammer sooner than later. I dunno..

one week of mute

8:56 PM

he's been warned

I feel like we've talked to him about this ample times, we've all complained, we know what's gonna happen

2:59 AM

But like

3:00 AM

Slamming the hammer suddenly is the mistake we made with Aym and Volde-tav.

3:00 AM

It sorta needs to be an epic moment innit

3:00 AM

That's why he's still here......

Aym I don't regret, apparently moved on to be worse.

3:02 AM

You can only directly ruin so many discord calls before being told you are unpalleteable in whatever form that presents itself. The end result is them not getting calls active here, either because they aren't allowed or drive people away.

I mean, nobody regrets Voldemort either. He was probably here for too long.

3:04 AM

Just, there's always a "in hindsight we could've done that better," I just don't want to have that logic three for three.

Fair. But I feel like I (we) have actively been better in correcting him already.

Pure

Aym I don't regret, apparently moved on to be worse.

Is it wrong to say that I saw that coming? I certainly didn’t hope for it by any means. But I suspected it

Phantasmagoria𓅓

Is it wrong to say that I saw that coming? I certainly didn’t hope for it by any means. But I suspected it

Apparently moving from server to server getting kicked out or ruining the vibes. From what I hear.

Pure

Apparently moving from server to server getting kicked out or ruining the vibes. From what I hear.

At least I'm not at the peak of his shit list then. I'd reach out but I fear that the christianity in him would recoil like a vampire presented with garlic. (edited)

Didn't know about aym

6:00 AM

I mean he also has his own server so I thought all things were good

An update on my situation. The storm has passed and we have gotten confirmation about the damages. Our house is fine, just some downed trees in the front and the skirting is gone. The town is without power for 5-10 days and the roads are a mixed of flooded or blocked by downed trees. I should be back around the weekend and then online not long after that as we have backup power and generators. Thank you for your concern, I have made it through this one fine

I’m just happy that you’re safe and that your home is still standing

Forwarded

https://fixvx.com/i/status/1843012543109099618

Originally sent: 10/7/2024 8:02 PM

11:30 PM

So this was brought to my attention by someone it upset. Like, should go without saying not to post videos of killing animals, yeah?? (edited)

agreed

11:35 PM

aaaaand of course it was verdrusk

That might be it for me cap'n. We can only correct him on common sense server behavior so much.

11:38 PM

@not the green thing

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh your call

11:39 PM

To be sure, I'm confused with a 'pulsar thermal' is? Is it something that would necessarily kill?

My call is that we have done this too much already

not the green thing

To be sure, I'm confused with a 'pulsar thermal' is? Is it something that would necessarily kill?

That is the scope, very much using a rifle

Yeah okay

11:40 PM

Yeah, fine, go for it, you have my blessing

I will approach him about it in a bit before I do it.

11:41 PM

So at least intent is communicated.

not the green thing

To be sure, I'm confused with a 'pulsar thermal' is? Is it something that would necessarily kill?

infrared scope

I am gonna approach him strictly on this, mention that like, dead animals is against TOS and not something we want anywhere near the server. That this was a step too far and we had to act. Sound good?

yeah

May also coincide it with an announcement or at least a warning in chat, just to subtly let people in a bit that this wasn't just an impulse thing. (edited)

They have been kicked, will share logs after done talking.

gonna be a shitstorm of some sort probably

12:48 AM

but yeah

12:48 AM

it's been a long time coming

12:48 AM

using a pirated client would have been enough in some servers

Is it worth putting it in announcements?

12:50 AM

Just the no dead animals thing

Maybe not so specific

12:51 AM

Maybe just "be considerate of the content you post" or summat smarter

no server has this in their rules because people are usually clever enough to not do that (edited)

12:52 AM

maybe just "obviously, videos that violate discord's ToS may not be posted in this server under any circumstances. We don't want to see things getting shot, thank you."

Agreed, but it also kinda gets the vibes across of, "Hey, don't violate TOS" to coincide with Verd being kicked.

yeah

He just sent a screenshot of your DMs with a part highlighted

12:59 AM

So

12:59 AM

This is gonna be my life for a bit innit

I mentioned you as the server owner, no implication is was your call in entirety

1:00 AM

I was very careful to do so.

1:01 AM

Was originally gonna say Geese, I and the rest, but didn't want to put myself on the same level of importance.

1:04 AM

Pure

Was originally gonna say Geese, I and the rest, but didn't want to put myself on the same level of importance.

Sounds like something thought of in hindsight but I wasn't accusing you of any wrongdoing

confused about warnings

Just, pointing out how he interpretted it

"i've been warned in the past, how comes I wasn't warned this time?" really shows how effective warnings are on verd (edited)

not the green thing

Sounds like something thought of in hindsight but I wasn't accusing you of any wrongdoing

Nah, I wrote it and then erased it. My following sentence is that it was a group decision.

1:07 AM

Might mean he is just like, "This is my appeal

" Happening 30 seconds after being kicked and handled by a screenshot we are left to interpret.

1:07 AM

I think

presses the appeal button cutely

I THINK that is what that means. But again, shows how much he cares, to just send a screenshot and assume we understand.

1:12 AM

Full convo, he has decided to end it with an emote react.

i think arguing is pointless

1:16 AM

this is kid of the straw that broke the camel's back anyway

1:16 AM

another member would have gotten a warning

Yeah, it definitely is. Doubt he understands that

but verd already got many of those and it didn't do shit

1:17 AM

at some point the patience ends

Exactly. I am a tad too formal to want to offer the list of reasons and past warnings because I see very few ways to not feel bad about seeing it all in one place, because it will be a rant. (edited)

I think my conversation with him is over

1:37 AM

I'll post screenshots if y'all want, but, I legitimately don't see how it could come back for us.

How did it go

1:56 AM

Also why are you in the mod chat

1:56 AM

Who are you

1:56 AM

I thought you were geese because of your pfp but evidently you are someone else (edited)

not the green thing

I'll post screenshots if y'all want, but, I legitimately don't see how it could come back for us.

Waiting for a blatant TOS violation covered our ass

It came back at a weird angle.

2:05 AM

I'm still dealing with it. I had a whole mic-drop line and he basically ignored it, which, is what I should've expected.

OH WAIT ORCADORK

2:05 AM

Let me kick that too

2:05 AM

Fixed

not the green thing

I'm still dealing with it. I had a whole mic-drop line and he basically ignored it, which, is what I should've expected.

Information retention is famously his strongsuit

I...

2:20 AM

I mean, I'm proud of specific moments in that conversation, I'll repost them here.

2:21 AM

But the entire convo I'd rather not even in just the main admin chat, because I clearly wasn't my best self and just kinda snapped at him, and continued to drill while he ignored me. I'll send screenshots in DMs if anybody's interested, I'm not saying I'm hiding it at all, I'm just kind of embarrassed and I would've instantly opted to send it all to Pure but it's a lot to read and I'm very, very certain nobody actually cares that much. (edited)

not the green thing

But the entire convo I'd rather not even in just the main admin chat, because I clearly wasn't my best self and just kinda snapped at him, and continued to drill while he ignored me. I'll send screenshots in DMs if anybody's interested, I'm not saying I'm hiding it at all, I'm just kind of embarrassed and I would've instantly opted to send it all to Pure but it's a lot to read and I'm very, very certain nobody actually cares that much. (edited)

Send. (edited)

I see Verd was banned in my absence

5:15 AM

I am home, just no power right now

5:17 AM

Also when you kick/ban people, please leave a tag as to why. Makes record keeping easier than recalling or digging through here

Oh, was on mobile it didn't give me an option to for whatever reason.

Any thoughts before I just say "yes"?

I am against

3:36 PM

But only for the principle of being against

3:36 PM

I think at least one person should always be opposed for dramatic tension

Lancer mindset

3:43 PM

You make it sound like the obvious answer is yes, which only makes me want to say "sure" more

Can't see any reason why not tbh

3:47 PM

Is there money involved?

3:47 PM

If not I think it's fine

3:48 PM

If there is then I'm actually on the fence

No, his server is just a friend thing

Gotta love Aussy, going through proper outlets

Chill with it as a one time thing he specifies he got permission for. :÷3

That's 2 for and one against

Yeah, making plans in announcements is kinda non-ideal. No ability to react without taking it into chat anyway. Short of like, already decided plans for art events. o: (edited)

Bucky waved his rifle around in call and held it near his head. He did specify it wasn't loaded but made a lot of people uncomfortable. Doubt it will happen again, but it is something that did happen.

Didja message him about it? "= w= That's uh...

Not yet, I honestly bailed the call in a panic because of past trauma. By the time I rejoined he had left. I was gonna reach out, but put this in here first.

3:45 AM

Messaged

3:50 AM

He agreed to not do it again.

Wtf that's kinda bad

Wasn't a fan

I think this should warrant more than a slap on the wrist ??

8:21 AM

In many servers this would be a prompt and deserved kick

I would generally agree; but it was a quick moment that got a negative social reaction and made him get embarassed and leave call. Also was zero push back when I spoke to him. So long as that was the end of it, I am okay dropping it.

I wish to bring up Verdrusk and his banning. I think we should roll it back and repeal it

2:35 AM

I have spent a long time re reviewing the issues, both listed in here and within his appeal statement and I feel the situation was handled grossly wrong. An overreaction if you will.

2:36 AM

So I would like to remove the ban

May I ask what in general you think was handled wrong? Personally, in everything I involved myself in I reached out to him; was clear in how I/we felt and made sure it was group involved thing.

2:40 AM

I also think it worth mentioning people in call saying they feel a lot more comfortable now. More than a few and completely unprovoked.

I reevaluated the reasons why and crossed over on a lot of the evidence for his ban. The list of his transgressions is a lot smaller than warrants an outright removal. Using the list granted by geese for his subsequent ban, he was removed for: Posting a lot of art and porn in no-mic, Ai art use, His behaviour in chats, Early server behaviour, Inciting drama (Trite and verd with the autism thing.), Creation of other servers with nsfw themes (Yes, apparently that was a reason.), Voicing opoions about the server, being horny is sfw, and his Asbergers. Of these listed issues, I would like to repeal a fair few of them and say that his ban was unwarranted. I want to repeal: Art posts in no-mic (Its no mic, why was this an issue in the first place.), early server behaviour (From what i picked up, this was before any rule set was established because geese didn't want to govern the server viewing it as anarchy and having no listed rules.), creation of alternate servers with nsfw themes (Again, why was this an issue), voicing opions about the server (They are opioins, or criticism, why is this bannable?), horny in sfw (I can't find any situation where this happened, but yet, this has been something multiple people have done but was never viewed as a problem, why specifically verd?)

2:54 AM

For my reference for these points i specifically am using the conversation geese had with Verd for his ban

2:54 AM

SPOILER

2:55 AM

I also went back to check on the number of times hes been warned in the past about his behaviour and only found recorded events where he was warned in person and wasn't just us being pissed about verds existence. The time with trite and him about autism, and the most recent time which also banned him involving the coyote video

3:00 AM

I also find it unfair to Verd in the aspect that a lot of troubles had with him, is mainly because he is oblivious to what he does. I notice a lot of our complaints involving him stem for a poor choice of wording that sticks one of us the wrong way or a general misunderstanding of his own choices. (edited)

The main one I would like to argue is that the it was never just "criticizing" the server, but actions like using a hacked client, getting himself worked up over what he saw and then taking screenshots before attempting to publically gaslight Geese into explaining what every aspect of this server was when he had direct access to all of us. There is a difference between that and a request. Several requests were made directly through me that I then brought up for discussion in here when the correct channels were followed. Also, yes people post porn in no-mic, but I had specifically in private asked he not because Zell kept stumbling into 20+ back to back images of fatfur porn. (edited)

3:04 AM

My follow-up question is if people will be worse with him back than currently. We get more people in rotation now than we did when he was around. Still no metropolis of server activity, but people are generally expressing feeling better now.

3:07 AM

A laundry list of gripes can be exaggerated but didn't come from nowhere. Nobody here wanted to be frustated and have these discussions. I was personally never for an all out ban until I just saw no path forward, no learning from conversations I directly had with him. We can relitigate until the cows come home, but if it makes people in here just go back to being uncomfortable; I have to ask, why? (edited)

Do we have logs of geese getting publically gas lit about this because i'm struggling to find them?

3:13 AM

I just want to make sure first before carrying forwards

They got deleted in chat and I believe screenshot and put in here. We dicussed it though, He screenshot both the Kalzone and the admin chat and said, "Geese??????" or something like that in chat trying to get attention.

Blue, I'm forwarding all the logs of the Verdrusk conversation to you.

3:16 AM

Before you continue making all of this into a problem and pointing at case points I made at him like I'm a lunatic, which could be fine, I'm open to criticism, at least read the entire conversation.

3:16 AM

Then we'll talk about this further.

I already have them geese

Sent by Verdrusk, or sent by Pure?

I've got the whole logs

3:17 AM

Sent through verd

Cool, I'm sending you the screenshot logs.

Send me yours and i'll cross reference

3:18 AM

I will make this a thing, because if its going to be done, i wanty it done right

I just want to make sure, then. Hear me out here:

3:25 AM

You didn't partake in the situation or it getting done right or resizing it or asking for the offered screenshots back when it was happening, which you might even have missed entirely and only saw in hindsight, and are now talking to us about it after a fresh conversation with Verdrusk?

3:25 AM

Let's talk about doing it right, then. What would you have liked us to do?

I have had a call and hearing the full list, i retract my reepeal

Gonna make an additional art channel that basically has complete permission for critique and artistic input. No-one likes unwarranted advice; but think a place where it is expected and wanted witj anything posted would be fun. :3 (edited)

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that's a good idea!

Nate and Trite are more than likely going to come back, just fyi.

Talk to Sam about Nate, I want to make sure he's okay with it.

6:58 AM

Kal should realistically be able to see this chat.

Sam had already given permission last time. He had come back and removed himself because anxious. Neither of them had been kicked, and are equally valid to return I think.

Yeah, I know that

7:01 AM

I'm specifically valuing Sam's emotions because he doesn't seem great at expressing them

7:01 AM

Kal's definitely strong

7:01 AM

Sam, I'm less sure about

7:01 AM

But it's also been a while, so

I know. They have played games together since then.

Ah, then nothingdoing

actually

11:19 AM

kal could be a mod

11:20 AM

right?

not the green thing

Kal's definitely strong

I’m strong???

2:02 PM

I don’t know if that’s what you call this

2:02 PM

But I’ll survive trite coming back ^^’

Azserfy

kal could be a mod

I could be anything you want baby :3

Does anybody want to volunteer to talk to Dingo about VC etiquette? . -.

Who else was there? Was just you and I on the admin side who were there for it, yeah? So only reasonable it be one of us who mentions it, no opposed to doing it just wasn't there for the full breadth cause it was a lot

Hopfel was also there, but at some point I got so overwhelmed that I deafened, muted and took off my headphones

not the green thing

Hopfel was also there, but at some point I got so overwhelmed that I deafened, muted and took off my headphones

I can handle it then, regardless the sentiment everyone felt was the same and I was reached out to seperately by Sykes later being like, "So, what was up with the guy who didn't stop talking about the drivers license?"

Yeah. No pressure too, low stakes, just try not to establish that a ton of people complained and he has a problem, because that's what set Voldemort off. Like, he's at least clearly going through things and needed people to talk to, he just needed a different environment for it.

I will be tender.

Most of the convo, should be fine. If not, it was mentioned.

Doesn't sound like he acknowledged the problem but okay

It's just such a hard thing to deal with in-call, which would of course be the most appropriate time, but even just "Sorry but you're hogging the call quite a bit, could you please hold back" is such a vibe-killer in the moment.

Dm me next time

1:02 PM

If I'm online I can just ruin his vibe

1:02 PM

I did this for two people already and it doesn't affect me too much since I'm rarely in VC anyway

1:02 PM

Chris never forgave me but I did what I had to do

Yeah but that's not really a great solution either is it |D

1:09 PM

We'll figure something out eventually, it was actually really nice how many people were joining the drawpile this time around

Azserfy

Doesn't sound like he acknowledged the problem but okay

I tried reiterating a few times because I felt the same, but once some starts being like, "Well, probably just won't join" Strikes me as, "I understand but wanna be a tad petty" Can only lead a horse to water and all that.

Hopfel

Yeah but that's not really a great solution either is it |D

Yeah, don't necessarily want to punish someone seeking support and validation. Just need to dynamically realign in the moment. I wish I hadn't been driving and immediately overstimmed. End point, it was discussed directly and we are all equally valid to bring it up should it occur again. :3

Pure

I tried reiterating a few times because I felt the same, but once some starts being like, "Well, probably just won't join" Strikes me as, "I understand but wanna be a tad petty" Can only lead a horse to water and all that.

I would have replied with "if you think that's the only way then I'm cool with this

"

1:30 PM

This type of rethoric really rubs me the wrong way

1:32 PM

There is, in fact, a wrong way to call for help

Azserfy

This type of rethoric really rubs me the wrong way

Ngl their tone bugged me a tad, but wasn't worth pursuing

Pure

Most of the convo, should be fine. If not, it was mentioned.

This looks like both sides talking right past each other to me. Dingo is not a native English speaker, not from a culture where you talk through flowers and has low social awareness due to autism. From how you were talking, I kinda doubt he understood what you were getting at in the first place, since he's not going to decode the hidden meaning behind "just checking up" and "you're fine" and such. You're misreading him too. What he said was that he'll try to tone it down in the future ("I tempt to go back on my words a too" is mangled, but pretty sure he means "I'll try to ramble a touch less") and not to expect him joining much due to reasons given. He's not being defiant and there's probably no "tone" intended like you're reading into it, controlling that just ain't in his realm of communication ability.

I feel we are all overcomplicating what is just; make sure we curate conversation on occasion as needed, in which some people need it more than others

Mink of the End

This looks like both sides talking right past each other to me. Dingo is not a native English speaker, not from a culture where you talk through flowers and has low social awareness due to autism. From how you were talking, I kinda doubt he understood what you were getting at in the first place, since he's not going to decode the hidden meaning behind "just checking up" and "you're fine" and such. You're misreading him too. What he said was that he'll try to tone it down in the future ("I tempt to go back on my words a too" is mangled, but pretty sure he means "I'll try to ramble a touch less") and not to expect him joining much due to reasons given. He's not being defiant and there's probably no "tone" intended like you're reading into it, controlling that just ain't in his realm of communication ability.

That's actually a good take

4:20 PM

I kinda assumed there was a first message that wasn't included where the problem was stated clearly

Strawbat may be another one that needs a bit of verbal corraling in calls, seem to struggle with social cues and conversation etiquitte. Been told in confidentiality that they tend to be like that in other spaces after seeing it a lot today. Just so everyone is aware. Will handle it when I see it.

Forgot to say that Hopfel and I are busy. Thanks @Mink of the End for trying to host despite us aa

I will End you

Out and about myself, sorry I cannot pile.

I think it was fartic today

7:57 PM

well?

7:57 PM

open a window

queue audience laugh track 3

@deleted-role Hey I'm moving back to Switzerland like. Today. Hopfel and I can't make Group A this week either, so it'd be nice if one of y'all could host it and @ them in a half hour.

4:30 PM

Probably @Mink of the End c:"

I'll send you the bill

Also we'll host @Phantasmagoria𓅓 gartic phone next week for birthday :)

not the green thing

Also we'll host @Phantasmagoria𓅓 gartic phone next week for birthday :)

AWWWWHHHHH AWWWWWHHH iwi

I am probably gonna change Distracted Discussion to like Gaming/Activity Corner I have been using the focus room whenever we do something that needs controlled access or when I don't want people accidentally stumbling into us yelling. I normally change the status to make it clear; but then people still ask to join only to get overstimmed and leave or people who ask we move into Hangouts, which I don't like clogging with a heavily focused activity.

6:05 PM

Think making it very obvious what is happening just with its own chat (And because Distracted Discussion is a tad unclear anyway) would be better.

Yeah

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How can I ignore Geebs

by asking you've already failed

D*rn

I like geese, I could never ignore that stupid piece of shit that I hate

(edited)

Never mind, I found something better

4:19 PM

I'll just edit him into something more family-friendly.

give him a more appropriate color

4:39 PM

and make him straight so he doesn't contribute to the fall of western civilization by being gay

ok done

4:47 PM

He still likes men, but he no longer likes vore

good enough

Mink of the End

I'll just edit him into something more family-friendly.

Creating a brand-friendly geese for monetization.

also fix the name while you're at it

4:57 PM

there is a mistake, it's meant to be "goose" when there's only one geese

This is teaching people improper usage of goosage. (edited)

also have him fixed

5:00 PM

it's what a responsible geese owner would do

Fair, can't have him producing egg

5:01 PM

Not after the last time.

Eg

Egggggg

I may have to crack down on the quiet room here soon, more than a few people have voice feeling left out because of the amount of people defaulting to quiet room lately. I get there are people who want to have a more controlled environment, but I think the fact that quiet room immediately fills within moments and people are consistently feeling left out is not a good, long term thing.

5:22 AM

Like, not being mean about it, but socially engineering by refusing to use it when not appropriate on our end might help.

Beginning to hold the stance that if people aren't going to be able to deal with more than 4 people who are able to hold a respectful conversation and only expect the same consistent people or else they leave; they are free to make a personal call. I just feel like avoiding people consistently looking in here and being like, "Oh, still maxed out, like yesterday" is the better option here.

5:32 AM

Changed the chat limits accordingly.

I mean it’s labeled quiet room, the label might be enough as it is? If it continues to be a problem we could test removing the cap

Good idea.

5:40 AM

I think expecting people to just be adults and talk when it gets uncomfy or too much is better than unnecessary safety nets

5:42 AM

All caps removed

Geebs what kinda holiday is on December 29

I assume he means because it would be between Chrimmiscot and New Beers. But personally want to do a holiday drawpile. Zero excuse to not join from me, for once

Yeah I think I can make it too. So people's revolt.

You can still host one

That's what I just said

Would love to, I am dummy and don't know how. But with Minks support and all these friends I keep in a jar...

I actually made it so you can always join the session and it will spring to life if it's not up yet.

I'm just saying, there's a whole 50% of all events that we can't do because I'm not there to host them, so in general my assumption is that if I can't be there, it won't happen. If y'all can be there and host and play nice, the dance floor is yours.

So to host just join it under the usual link.

Mink of the End

I actually made it so you can always join the session and it will spring to life if it's not up yet.

Can you post the last drawpile btw? Last Sunday.

Understood! Will commit my sunday to it. :3

Yeah, will do that eventually.

Put in Announcements that the event is uncancelled then and only holiday ghosts and demons and furries are invited. (edited)

The Geese Grinch was thwarted.

You're fat.

Literally running right now. Need proof???

Who are you running from

7:02 PM

Don't answer this if it could be used against you in a court of law

Hope this is proof enough to put my ass in prison

What song is that

All Hail Shadow....

7:18 PM

The kickass Shadow Generations mix. :3

Ah yes, sanic always had good music

@Mink of the End the Drawpile from last Sunday was never posted

Mink he is teetering on the fucking edge

Literally vibrating.

He can handle it

Mink of the End

He can handle it

Okay but still post it when you get the chance

Oh, the disk on the server was full, it got no recording

Mink of the End

Oh, the disk on the server was full, it got no recording

Tragic

D:

8:45 PM

But does it have the picture?

No, the picture is the result of playing back the recording.

8:53 PM

But it couldn't save it because no space

Had a second talk with Dingo about being careful to not completely take over a call for minutes at a time. Made hangouts really hard to be in for multiple people this morning and brought it up with him directly. Should be all good.

Glad to hear it went well, last time it seems like he seriously dodged the topic when confronted

Anybody think we should do anything about the Tutor role or the weird

role in #deleted-channel ? Sort of needless and dirty now with the #art-critique-advice channel.

Clean them out since they are redundant at this point

I am very hungover, will try to make the Drawpile at some point but can't promise.

Pure

I assume he means because it would be between Chrimmiscot and New Beers. But personally want to do a holiday drawpile. Zero excuse to not join from me, for once

^^^^^^^^^^^

6:07 PM

LIAR

I WANT TO I JUST GOT STUPID DRUNK IN VR

6:26 PM

... Again

Going to be talking to Tetra soon, as of late no one has been having a good experience with them in call. -Eating loudly into the mic even after directly being asked not to. -Mumbling to themselves loudly in the background non-stop in VC. -When I asked them to try and not constantly stim with farting noises in VC they kept repeating "Where's the legislation" trying to be sassy until they said, "Just kidding haha.". -Generally just making a lot of people uncomfortable with non-stop peepee poopoo humor. But, again, gonna talk with them directly here later today.

legislation is whatever the fuck you told them

4:33 PM

stand your ground, holy shit

4:33 PM

why are there so many people like this here

I was very much getting mad when repeating myself.

yeah i can't blame you

4:35 PM

next time they ask about legislation mute them for 48 hours

4:35 PM

that should clear their concerns

I have decided I like Az

a horrible decision really

4:38 PM

joke aside artists are often very neurospicy but this is no excuse for not knowing how to behave in a call

4:39 PM

actually scratch that, not knowing to behave is okay

4:39 PM

ignoring or GOD FORBIDS sassing people who tell you to behave is not

4:40 PM

If push comes to shove, this server can function without tetra.

Most people have them muted currently anyway. Got that bad real quick.

4:43 PM

I have also come to the conclusion that most people who eat loudly into the mic are doing it on purpose. Natural discord noise suppression does wonders.

Azserfy

a horrible decision really

4:54 PM

This is us now

urp

not the green thing

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Redesigns your character into bones for free

I have become aware of the fact that all of Balatro's cards are on one image file and can be easily edited and replaced. An art server drawpile where we replace all of the card art with vorny/character art would be so much fun....

9:14 PM

Never played Balatro, but genuinely seems so fun.

Wait

9:40 PM

That's an excellent idea unironically

9:40 PM

It's Annoy's birthday tomorrow, we can do an event where we make ALL the cards him-themed in a batch file

9:41 PM

And then also another one (because I can't imagine there's too many?) with all the art peoples

9:41 PM

And vore

Dang, working and out of town until wednesday night. Wouldn't be able to get into that first one unless it is late, but he is a cringe european and falls asleep like 3PM Ameritime.

9:42 PM

But, a full server one sounds so fun...

Yeah, we can do it late into the week nerd

9:44 PM

Was gonna do that anyway or replace Group A this week

Getting the png rn

9:45 PM

Got it!!!

9:48 PM

Adding my Techie friend. The IT person who I text every time I ever need anything that's completely borked to work again on my PC. Hopfel called them a "sysadmin" if that means anything to anybody. Not really an artist but I'll add a techie role when I think of it.

2

1

Last Friday of July is sysadmin appreciation day. Put it in yer calendar.

Finally, server upkeep begins now....

Huzzah!

We are gonna have to talk about Caesar.

1

1

10:20 PM

I like him. He's pretty neat. (edited)

is there a but coming?

Oh, not at all. I just like to talk about cool friend Caesar.

10:27 PM

I think we should ban him

10:29 PM

All in favor say

3

4

1

I will miss him, but it is for his own good. (edited)

1

We will introduce super Caesar’s following the ban, so that he may fill the void

@not the green thing normally I would @everyone gartic but you wanted to do that thing with blatro cards or maybe not so what do

Geese wants to do that for next week's drawpile, Gartic would still be on for today.

6:27 PM

Last I spoke with him anyway.

Yeah that's what he done announced after I pinged

I noticed that too. @not the green thing neglects us.

Maybe we should make the difference between #not-so-evil-art and #misc-art more clear. If there even was a difference to begin with

Not so evil art has always confused me. Kinda just thought sfw covered that.

Maybe one is just off-topic in general, like Minecraft or whatever

7:40 PM

Then all the bases are covered

The little people don't understand how much power they truly have

1

Wha??

But will @Pure be too drunk/hungover/unmotivated to handle making it to the art event

@Mink of the End is there a pixel brush on Drawpile? And can you figure out the logistics of using that one Balatro assets PNG for it?

not the green thing

But will @Pure be too drunk/hungover/unmotivated to handle making it to the art event

I dunno, I will ask him

not the green thing

@Mink of the End is there a pixel brush on Drawpile? And can you figure out the logistics of using that one Balatro assets PNG for it?

There is several pixel brushes. There's a "1pixel" brush that works for it, or you can use the "Pixel 2" brush and set the size to 1.

Uh with regards to logistics, I just put the PNG into the bottom-right corner of the canvas and locked the layer.

Cool dumb thanks

I for one thank Mink immensely

How immense are we talkin

Maybe not "give me your paypal" immense but a little closer to "nice cock bro" levels of appreciation.

That's pretty immense.

So

6:42 AM

Drawpile went from the usual 2 hour format, to lasting about 12 hours-- to the extent that it's still going

6:43 AM

@Mink of the End the current plan PROBABLY is to get the file for this current one, flatten all the Balatro edits into one layer, then add that layer and the Balatro cards to the next Drawpile

Aigh

2

Keep this one up though, it was uh

6:46 AM

Surprisingly good

This drawpile has been genuinely super fun

1:58 PM

WAIT I JUST REALIZED ITS STILL HAPPENING

Pure

WAIT I JUST REALIZED ITS STILL HAPPENING

Still?????

It never ends

Someone copied like the entire cardstock once and drew on that layer directly, not sure why. This is the merged one.

8:23 AM

This is the base image.

Oh damn I missed out on this

8:36 AM

No free cards left? :>

See #drawpile

8:38 AM

There's a GIF there showing what cards changed

8:39 AM

I think it's gonna continue in two weeks.

Azserfy

No free cards left? :>

Pretty sure there a like, 80+ untouched!

Mink of the End

Someone copied like the entire cardstock once and drew on that layer directly, not sure why. This is the merged one.

AWWWWHHHH ALL THE MAW SHOTS

5:45 PM

The hognoser ones so cute iwi

I had to tell Straw over voice to chill with using VC as a therapy session. Still been a trend of hopping in, talking about themselves for minutes on end and basically asking for reassurances. We all have our moments of needing people to lean on but this has been the interaction I have witnessed basically every time they are in call. (edited)

Agreed

Also talking to Tetra, most people have him muted now.

I'm gonna make a new channel

11:32 PM

Is there a way to automatically have a channel muted for everyone?

11:33 PM

Or to restrict the abilities of server administrators within the channel? So many of you are admins now that it'd spoil the fun if one of yuz cheats at something I game-ify

11:33 PM

No spoilers for what it'll end up being, anyway

not the green thing

Is there a way to automatically have a channel muted for everyone?

Yeah, give me access and spill all the tea

Pure

Also talking to Tetra, most people have him muted now.

Also, just so it is posted.

Pure

Yeah, give me access and spill all the tea

I'm gonna reformat all the permissions admins have for a dumb game

A game?!

9:48 AM

What are we playing?

A fun game called "No more admins".

2:56 PM

It seems. :3

That sucks maybe

Intriguing

It's not letting me fuck with settings >:C

Maybe ask Hopfel

9:14 PM

That's what everyone does when they want something about the server.

IDK ANYTHING AAAAH

I couldn't make it work anyway

I've restocked the Balatro cards.

I really don't want to touch this, but also seems like most of these interactions have been on the server? Skimmed the screenshots and I have zero idea what to say.

Mots is usually really quiet and windy is usually really short winded I have never even seen one of them talk this much. Seems really like a personal thing between them.

3:50 AM

Sorry that might be of no consequence, I just be observing

Yeah this ain't something you can really admin anything over. They can go block each other or something, but what are you gonna do about it.

Yeah, I have no intention to do anything and have said as much, just so ya'll know.

Phantasmagoria𓅓

Mots is usually really quiet and windy is usually really short winded I have never even seen one of them talk this much. Seems really like a personal thing between them.

Yeah, just really odd.

Sorry, just seeing this now. This is only something we can watch right now. Yes they should be adults and work it out between one another (I don't really speak with either of them, so cant say anything beyond that) but also with where it looks like they both are it's probably best that further comments on this just advise them to block each other or just not engage. This is really because neither appears to be receptive to anything being said- so if they aren't listening or ready to listen it's not productive to recommend speaking further.

Jammy, The Hybrid

Sorry, just seeing this now. This is only something we can watch right now. Yes they should be adults and work it out between one another (I don't really speak with either of them, so cant say anything beyond that) but also with where it looks like they both are it's probably best that further comments on this just advise them to block each other or just not engage. This is really because neither appears to be receptive to anything being said- so if they aren't listening or ready to listen it's not productive to recommend speaking further.

Yeah, I just told Winded to block Motz because it strikes me that neither of them seem able to either speak or retain information and I will just like, keep an eye on them in calls.

If they are in calls together

Jammy, The Hybrid

If they are in calls together

They did a day or two ago, but assume they muted each other.

If they start yelling over each other in calls, I will handle it.

Rule #1: No drama.

4:36 PM

There are no other rules, so like. Firing range. It's not that hard.

If you have a problem with someone, this is not the place to scream it out

Well, what I mean is that none of it has realistically made it into the server yet, but if them muting each other or having each other blocked does bleed into the server to the inconvenience of others it will be handled.

And I’m here too

Phantasmagoria𓅓

And I’m here too

:3

Pure

:3

Just an update on Motz I suppose? None of this makes sense to me and I keeping my paws outta this.

1

I cannot follow this

Either Group A is cancelled this week, or someone else advertises it. How many more Balatro cards are there to do?

A bunch

Yeah that's the worry

I can be there short of being hung over from game night, but picking up electrolytes so should be fine. :3

Pure

I can be there short of being hung over from game night, but picking up electrolytes so should be fine. :3

This is Pure-speak for "I will not be there"

I like the Balatro drawovers!!!!

Pure

I like the Balatro drawovers!!!!

That's the part I believe. :D

I will probably try and hop in for a few hours between home improvement projects

Rushing through breakfast, will be there in ten!

6:52 PM

Still dummy and don't know how to setup drawpile, but can certainly host. :3

@Mink of the End I am a wittle dummy and not seeing where the last Balatro stuff left off

Probably gonna have to talk to Leafy here soon. Getting to the point where he kills calls by describing viscerally horny scenarios to no one in particular and talking about Mystery Dungeon lore. Driving me and others insane.

huh

8:35 PM

i mean his gallery didn't lie

Just making it impossible for conversation. To describe, basically RPing with himself for minutes on end.

that's crazy

8:38 PM

so he's exactly like I would have assumed he would be from the thing he posts

I don't look at his posts. Where at?

fa

9:40 PM

eka too i believe

I actually had only good interactions with him recently. I don’t doubt what you’re saying, the last time he was really active here that is ALL he did. But I was shocked the other night when he didn’t even once try to talk to me about his sonas lore or trauma dump

11:14 PM

I thought he changed

Nah, been all he has been doing these last few days

Tragic

Woke up very hungover, no drawpile today?

Woke up very sick and nobody can host when I can't, so

I did last time!! Just overslept very hard.

So Hopfel and I are still at the islands

4:27 PM

Can somebody else host Group A?

4:28 PM

It's just drawpile

4:28 PM

Mink, Pure

Getting ready to host Sharner, not available.

What

He is gonna be in my home for the week. :3

4:29 PM

We are taking him to Sante Fe for Meow Wolf

not the green thing

So Hopfel and I are still at the islands

What do you have against "on"

To the islands

They are of the islands

Betwixt the islands

Above the islands

Among….

1:11 AM

Among the

1:11 AM

The

I am gonna pre-empt this just in case because there is a chance it will come up during my birthday tomorrow. Kah hopped into call today, said they were sad no one in the server drew them on their birthday on the 20th, to a call of people who basically never met them. Then got accusatory of us remembering Dannie's birthday, and kinda just a repeat of what they did last year. Told them that like, if they want that to be known, to be around??? And then just kinda got weird attitude with people in call when we mentioned they shared a birthday with Lucky, Angie and Dannie and that mine is tomorrow. Just... weird? Might get weirder, dunno.

3:17 AM

Just in case they act weird in chat or drop out again.

... I literally had that conversation with them in DMs, same whole bit. :/ If it becomes dramatic it's worth a warning somehow, but it IS absolutely like... Come around more often. Birthdays are great but you can't expect anything for them, especially if you're not around at all. The office isn't gonna bring a cake if you only ever work from home.

Yeah. Like I said, full repeat of last year's behavior, too.

If you want people to remember your birthday

12:15 PM

Remind them

12:15 PM

It's that simple

1

Yeah I would’ve drawn kah some gift art if they said it was their birthday

1:25 PM

It’d really easy to get art out of me they just straight up did not make it known

I just don't like the guilt tripping. Not at all what this server is for. (edited)

Well yeah, it’s not like its a given that people draw you when it’s your birthday but when you tell nobody and also don’t hang out with any of those people anymore like i don’t know what you expect

To their credit, they did mention it was their birthday, sorta, in the main chat

2:11 PM

https://discord.com/channels/888970103654350949/888970103654350952/1351969050133135391

2:12 PM

Nothing really came of that though, like they only checked in reflexively in call long after the fact and referred to how they deserved art. (edited)

2:12 PM

And, to be sure, they did get art from some friends! Wings drew them in a piece I'm SO JEALOUS OF, but Wings is also not that active in this chat and I just assumed that that interaction happened elsewhere.

not the green thing

To their credit, they did mention it was their birthday, sorta, in the main chat

But again, when nobody knows who they are in the regular rotation of chat, just a weird ask

I mean it doesn’t help that it got thrown up the chat but a giant rhodesy rule greeting

1

3:05 PM

It was just bad timing

I changed the Quiet Room name for my birthday.

1

I'm on an airplane and might be landing an hour before Gartic starts, so while Hopfel and I MIGHT make it, we're almost defo gonna be late

Okay so write in announcements that we're gonna start 2 hours later?

not the green thing

I'm on an airplane and might be landing an hour before Gartic starts, so while Hopfel and I MIGHT make it, we're almost defo gonna be late

Gartic after travelling is nuts

2:34 PM

You’re aloud to rest

What since when

3:18 PM

He spent like eight weeks marooned in an island vacation.

3:18 PM

He's gotten enough rest.

Dude traveling fucking slays me

I will be talking to Winded later. Had a several hour call of being constantly interrupted, roped into very guilt-trippy discussions whenever people got annoyed by him and had to leave because he wasn't letting people talk. Just, non-stop noise, repeating himself if no one said anything up to 20 times (I counted for one of them) and just like, making calls just super hard to tolerate.

The banhammer has my blessing to swing

4:36 PM

Don't feel like you have to justify yourself you have my full support

Just, been a lot with him recently. I am edging towards believing it was intentional, considering an interaction with @Jammy, The Hybrid that was basically "Am I annoying you?" 10 times until he left.

Wtf

4:38 PM

That's not the behavior of an adult.

4:38 PM

Or of a person whose problem you'll solve with a talk.

So as the party that had to leave, it felt weird. I have not talked with winded enough for it to be something for me to say it was intentional but I can say it felt weird

Azserfy

Or of a person whose problem you'll solve with a talk.

Also my concern. Tried before, but their ability to retain information seems oddly specific.

Kick kick kick

Because I specifically highlighted it was not an issue. But he continued, I think out of uncertainty and self doubt. Based on how they were talking it's a lot of discomfort in their own skin

Jammy, The Hybrid

So as the party that had to leave, it felt weird. I have not talked with winded enough for it to be something for me to say it was intentional but I can say it felt weird

I felt when you said, "I need to leave, a bit overstimmed" And he responded with, "Was it me? I am sorry, did I do that?" on loop to varying different levels, didn't seem out of genuine interest. But also, I feel you can't have tht level of self-doubt and then continue in the same way (he actually got worse as the night went on, as @Atrophene can attest) so I don't think it genuine. (edited)

I was a lil tired so maybe I took it differently.

Regardless, talking to them first before assuming intent.

Probably a good idea

1

Im glad they were receptive.

Pure

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This was the correct way to handle this, you couldn’t have done better. Thank you

1

I changed the name of the server for April Fools. <:

It should be noted that Pure tied for first place

IT SHOULD NOT

Oh no..... I think it was just noted

Pure

IT SHOULD NOT

Community notes have been added for context: it should be, bestie

Changing the nationalities in the #deleted-channel chat might be pretty fun from time to time, it only takes 1 billion hours to change it out

12:44 AM

If there was a next thing, what would the next thing be

Big fucking rock

1

12:53 AM

That shit will change everything

What a stupid idea

1

1:10 AM

People will never need anything bigger than a medium big rock and even that is pushing it

1:10 AM

Back in the days we only had small rocks and smallish big rocks and it was ENOUGH

not the green thing

If there was a next thing, what would the next thing be

Cut Vs Uncut Blue eyes Vs Everyone else Right handed Vs Left Handed

3:49 AM

Lucky Vs Not Lucky

3:50 AM

Tall Vs Short

You gotta pick inciteful things that drive engagement. Like fatal vore vs that other thing where you just live there with nothing to do like a wet purgatory that's gonna give you trombosis.

The one where you get to chill in a warm wet hug instead of slowly and painfully having the skin chemically shredded from your flesh, the flesh from your bones over the course of several agonizing hours? Yeah definitely the weird one

8:58 AM

See it's working, The Algorithm will love it.

We'll add a third nationality

3:13 PM

I like that idea though

Atrophene

Lucky Vs Not Lucky

Everybody Kill lucky event sounds fire (edited)

Kill Lucky...

Azserfy

The one where you get to chill in a warm wet hug instead of slowly and painfully having the skin chemically shredded from your flesh, the flesh from your bones over the course of several agonizing hours? Yeah definitely the weird one

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

5:16 PM

Az gets tummy cuddles because I love him

5:16 PM

Atro gets to die because pures a FREAK (edited)

5:17 PM

I say pointing my long and crooked finger at pure

Phantasmagoria𓅓

Atro gets to die because pures a FREAK (edited)

I agree.

Pure

Kill Lucky...

What? No!

New rule: Fall asleep in call and you WILL be bullied

New rule: pure shuts the fuck up :3

Pure

New rule: Fall asleep in call and you WILL be bullied

Revision to this rule: Bully Kal in particular

kill

Slight thing to keeps eyes on. A few months back I had asked Bucky to be mindful to not use the R-word since more than a few people here really don't like it. He wordlessly left the call and hasn't been back since, explained in DMs I would rather talk to him directly as an adult than have someone blow up on him. Since then he has been back and forth with the server; but recently Chris mentioned he doesn't like it in here because I asked him to avoid that word. Since then I have noticed Chris throwing it out when I am around (when it was never a word he really used) and fairly certain it is to try and bait me into correcting him more than I already have. At one point even changing his name to "Le R---rd" and making me hop back into call, tell him I changed his name back and asked him to not do it again. Said it in call several times since when talking to me and haven't interacted with it. Really annoying.

1:25 PM

Never want to be too language police-y, but when I know people don't like certain words and it can lead it conflict in call I try to pre-empt. It really isn't hard to be respectful of other people's comfort.

Okay so fuck that behaviour. I was under the impression when we first discussed it that it was more someone trying to be edgy, but doing it as a bait and pushing it is out of the question, just stupid and being either actively, or unintentionally vitriolic

1:28 PM

Word policing is one thing, telling people not to use a pejorative word is another

He has since made jokes in call about "This makes me uncomfortable stop it" to like, someone drawing or whatever. I forget exactly what it was. Clearly making light of it. While also asking someone in a call I wasn't in why they can say "faggot" while he can't say the R-word. Would do the same thing if someone told me they didn't want that word in their spaces, but no one has.

Pure

He has since made jokes in call about "This makes me uncomfortable stop it" to like, someone drawing or whatever. I forget exactly what it was. Clearly making light of it. While also asking someone in a call I wasn't in why they can say "faggot" while he can't say the R-word. Would do the same thing if someone told me they didn't want that word in their spaces, but no one has.

The reason he can't say it is really a simple one, the idea of word reclamation with that one hasn't happened. It's still being used aggressively and pejoratively and has not shifted like with other words. Regardless of the view point on reclamation, the r word has not been reclaimed or changed by the community by which it affects. But also, is he genuinely uncomfortable with the f-slur? If he is, then like okay yeah out of respect we should not use it in call or text because it's a triggering word for someone. But if he's using it as just a question, then that's a false equivalency. They aren't the same

Jammy, The Hybrid

The reason he can't say it is really a simple one, the idea of word reclamation with that one hasn't happened. It's still being used aggressively and pejoratively and has not shifted like with other words. Regardless of the view point on reclamation, the r word has not been reclaimed or changed by the community by which it affects. But also, is he genuinely uncomfortable with the f-slur? If he is, then like okay yeah out of respect we should not use it in call or text because it's a triggering word for someone. But if he's using it as just a question, then that's a false equivalency. They aren't the same

Not even getting into the reclaimation argument. He uses the word often and was just trying to bring it up as, "so why can't I say this?" My stance would be the same for that word the moment someone requests it not be said. It is easy to change how we talk it is more welcoming to people, which is always my intention.

Pure

Not even getting into the reclaimation argument. He uses the word often and was just trying to bring it up as, "so why can't I say this?" My stance would be the same for that word the moment someone requests it not be said. It is easy to change how we talk it is more welcoming to people, which is always my intention.

No but thats going to be the fall back, I'm using this as a reason as to why he can't, the words aren't the same. We also can't ignore that argument because eventually someone will bring it up. I think your answer overall is the answer we need to be using, because people have asked for it not to be used. And while we can't change how you speak writ large we are asking that you don't use pejorative terms that people have asked not be said

1:45 PM

If he continues to be non responsive to you by the way, I am more than happy to also make a mention of it.

In my experience everyone who uses the "reclaimation" banner as an excuse to use a word has no intention of actually changing things. The people who want to openly use the N-word are trailblazers, just racists. For example.

1:47 PM

But yeah, comfort is my concern.

Pure

In my experience everyone who uses the "reclaimation" banner as an excuse to use a word has no intention of actually changing things. The people who want to openly use the N-word are trailblazers, just racists. For example.

I mean you can't reclaim the word if you aren't a member of the group who is actively harmed by it, but I get what you mean. Regardless, yes comfort and accessibility is my chief concern

I actually disagree with a lot of the points being made here but you'll have to give me a bit

Arguably why I think the R-word in particular can never be "reclaimed". When it comes to mental health, validating an "in group" will always lead to exploitation. The amount of times I see people who say, "I am literally r****ded" interchangeably with "I am such an idiot" and use that to claim they are part of the in group, for example.

not the green thing

I actually disagree with a lot of the points being made here but you'll have to give me a bit

I actually really don't want to have this talk and already said as much. My point starts and ends with Chris mocking people's comfort levels.

1:53 PM

A debate about reclaimation any further would erode at me just wanting to talk about Chris's show of disrespect and will probably just piss me off.

1:53 PM

To be honest.

1:54 PM

Plus, we have done it in call.

Pure

I actually really don't want to have this talk and already said as much. My point starts and ends with Chris mocking people's comfort levels.

Okay but "I have my PoV and I'm sticking to it" is terrible for a moderator?

not the green thing

Okay but "I have my PoV and I'm sticking to it" is terrible for a moderator?

My POV is that "If someone asks for a group to avoid a word I will help enforce that."

Pure

I actually really don't want to have this talk and already said as much. My point starts and ends with Chris mocking people's comfort levels.

I mean that's my entire stance earlier. You can't actively reclaim something that is still used in a harmful and pejorative way . But I'm going to leave it because you said as much. My final thing is: He shouldn't say it, full stop If he continues to, we need to do something And if he continues to be non-responsive we should think of other ways to address it. I apologize for bringing in the other parts of it, since I should have seen those getting unwieldy

The principals behind that sentiment or the individual words hardly matters. Like, Zephyr asks to not be called a chicken and I respect that. Do I get it? No. Does it mean something to him and can I avoid doing it? Yes. So I do. (edited)

You haven't heard my take.

1:56 PM

Like, sure, but you're arguing against nothing rn.

I am saying that take will derail from me just saying I want to keep an eye out on Chris.

1:57 PM

That was my statement, again, I am no trailblazer in linguistics.

1:58 PM

Does no one any good to turn this into an argument when we can all agree that someone leaving the server because they kept hearing a slur that hurts them would really suck

Okay but what if somebody has some thoughts?

not the green thing

Okay but what if somebody has some thoughts?

Then we address that situation as is and have an adult conversation.

Cool, then I have thoughts.

not the green thing

Okay but what if somebody has some thoughts?

People should feel free to speak their peace since we all have, but holding in mind that we probably need some commonality and main goal fot this is going to be important.

I'm not going to not speak my mind on the grounds that we uphold groupthink though. Just give me a minute.

I need to start working. My point will be, I hate when I make a very simple point and it suddenly turns into needing to discuss the overarching complications. We can be simple. Word make sad, Me make sure environment safer. At no point will the points you make suddenly make the people who have been hurt by the R word feel any better and is a waste of time.

Again, you don't know what my points are, you can't undermine them if you don't know what I'm going to say.

Cause, here we are ignoring the Chris conversation in leu of waiting for your revelation. I am saying making points at all is never what I wanted this conversation to be???? (edited)

Is the Chris conversation in a text chat?

2:06 PM

I'll defend whatever you did there.

2:06 PM

Here, I want to voice my own position.

That is how this started and where I wanted it to end.

2:07 PM

Because I think this isn't productive.

Okay, if there is something that's happening right now in a text chat that is affecting people right now, sure, fast take, immediate takedown.

What I said Chris was doing is all I wanted to talk about. Anyway, need to drive, see ya.

But this is a moderator chat, the point is to talk about things. I'm free now, so, give me a sec and I'll write out my thoughts for anybody still here.

It is, but feels like my topic got steamrolled by wanting to discuss something loosely related to my actual concerns and that sucks.

2:10 PM

Okay, driving now.

Chris is being some kind of lunatic for sure. I do think it's rather small-minded for him to actively go out of his way to ignore mods when they get after him for bad behavior. He at one point was banned from attending Gartic sessions, but then, like, eventually just started joining them again because we didn't really have anybody enforcing it and fewer people had been joining Group A anyway. So we just avoid the gamemodes now that he'd actively sabotage but still end on the Story gamemode, which he hates but he'll leave before it comes up. Weirdly, he's incredibly hard to talk to and so stubborn about his own beliefs, and talking about it goes right through. This isn't the first time this has happened, if anything this issue IS his second warning. He should already understand that, anyway-- Warning Two. My concern actually is with Bucky.

Big on the idea of “stop saying retard and if you don’t stop we kick you out” like we don’t need some huge conversation about ethics. Even As someone who is unaffected by the word I don’t see any reason at all that its use should be argued for.

Bucky's situation isn't very good, anyway. He's actively a veteran and is getting abused by the US military in similar ways to how Lamp was. The system is attacking him directly and his home situation wasn't exactly great either. To his credit, he's a chill Kal-origin friend, and honestly that adds a lot to his reputation to me. Kal picks well. Every conversation I can remember with Bucky was pretty solid. Which is why I want to say anything at all: I want to validate Bucky's take specifically, that to him, he felt really odd getting told very seriously by a moderator not to say the R-word, when that same moderator turned around and said "faggot" freely. Like, sure, systematically different, but there's a lot of context here not everybody has especially in Bucky's situation. Also, you know, you're a moderator. It's a different playing field. (If he WAS getting offended by it, would've been harder to say, but it's worth thinking about the fact that to him, these would've had the same offense-levels.) He got anxious, the emotions got to him, he ran and confided in his boyfriend, Chris, while on active duty. He's not around very often, either-- like, it should be one of his outlets, where instead we have a small taskforce of police. Chris is becoming a problem by being purposefully shitty about it, I'm not defending his behavior, but it IS as a result of how we talk to Bucky, who feels alienated.

It sucks because buckys deployment is such a big factor, he’s not around enough to have any interactions here so I see why that being one of his few interactions would steer him away. I’m not defending the word, he definitely should be made to understand that it’s not ok to say. And I think we made that point clear. With that in mind Chris needs to stop using it in general. It’s just exacerbating a problem that was being taken care of to begin with

2:28 PM

Like I get it, I grew up in that era of bullying everybody online being funny. I let the r word slip sometimes and I am mortified every time I do, it’s seriously embarrassing and a habit I work on every to try and bury for good

I was nice and approached it as, "Hey, there are are a few people in the server who really don't like that word and can you please avoid using it?" Like, that, only for him to immediately disconnect. He did the same thing when Sharner asked him to stop screaming into the mic. He leaves the moment anything is asked of him. Also, his situation sucks, but would you rather I ask him to stop or someone yells at him who is actually hurt by it? Those are your two choices.

2:30 PM

We can't just tell everyone, "He is a veteran, deal with it."

No no I would absolutely rather ask him to stop his situation isn’t an excuse but more an aspect of his position that may have contributed

2:30 PM

I’m sure when his deployment is over, and he can be around more, a lot more healthy conversations can happen (edited)

Phantasmagoria𓅓

No no I would absolutely rather ask him to stop his situation isn’t an excuse but more an aspect of his position that may have contributed

I know, I was more responding to Geese

Oh word

My point is that SOMEONE is going to respond. I would rather it be me and ask he try to avoid it and not just, leave and close his ears. Because hearing it from me is the softest he will hear it.

Pure

We can't just tell everyone, "He is a veteran, deal with it."

Sure sure sure! I just wanted to outline that it is a double standard in his eyes unless we send him that same wall of context. To him, what you're saying is "Don't say slurs!" and then saying one anyway.

Nah, I framed it in that exact way verbally.

Okay but it sounded like to me that Pure did that.

You know me well enough that I am careful with my words.

2:37 PM

Oh, and the time he played with a gun on camera. Someone said they didn't like that and he just bounced. Did apologize for that.

We should also be considerate that we are hedging a possibility of weighing someone else's comfort over someone else's no matter which way we tread. At the end of the day we can only be open, caring, honest and understanding, the rest is up to any one of us in any area. I have been the person pushed into addressing this word with someone directly, and I dont think gently asking someone or informing someone of it is bad, and we don't hold any control over their actions afterwards.

2:38 PM

All we can do is be compassionate with the information we have, and if someone is not actively talking to us, or following up and is instead (justifiably because they are seeking reassurance and comfort) going to someone else, we aren't really able to do much.

Pure

Oh, and the time he played with a gun on camera. Someone said they didn't like that and he just bounced. Did apologize for that.

Yeah, alright, if that conversation already happened and especially if THIS happened, that was all my two cents.

Also, sorry for getting mad, that point you were gonna make seemed very framed like it was gonna be in defense of the R-word and I was mistaken

Pure

Also, sorry for getting mad, that point you were gonna make seemed very framed like it was gonna be in defense of the R-word and I was mistaken

No no, I will say that I say it in private way too casually and it's eventually going to get me in trouble, but that's my own issue to overcome. (edited)

not the green thing

No no, I will say that I say it in private way too casually and it's eventually going to get me in trouble, but that's my own issue to overcome. (edited)

Got it, well, just wanted to apologize. Like I said, I felt like it it was setting up a controversial Geese opinion and would have stopped pushing back if I knew it was about Bucky.

Pure

Got it, well, just wanted to apologize. Like I said, I felt like it it was setting up a controversial Geese opinion and would have stopped pushing back if I knew it was about Bucky.

Naw you gotta let me talk bruv

3:09 PM

What controversial opinions do I even have? I'm the fucker who just sorta agrees with shit

3:10 PM

Uhhhhhh hold on I gotta think of some of my hot takes

It was more that it felt like your response was to the word semantics of "I have things to say." I woulda chilled if it was clear of, "I wanna talk about Bucky rq."

... How about, I don't believe Luigi even killed the CEO? I absolutely feel like the circumstances made the actual killer a little mythological and some college guy did everything he could to get "caught" and take the credit. Also, Fahrenheit 451.

Pure

It was more that it felt like your response was to the word semantics of "I have things to say." I woulda chilled if it was clear of, "I wanna talk about Bucky rq."

YEAH my phrasing was a lil eh, the main point I wanted to say was "Give me a minute"

not the green thing

... How about, I don't believe Luigi even killed the CEO? I absolutely feel like the circumstances made the actual killer a little mythological and some college guy did everything he could to get "caught" and take the credit. Also, Fahrenheit 451.

This take is ice cold, the based opinion of the average median voter.

Pure

This take is ice cold, the based opinion of the average median voter.

Shit I can be controversial

3:12 PM

Uhhhhhhh

3:12 PM

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

3:16 PM

I think large communities are at fault for enabling behavior more than individual people are for committing them, especially within pack animal standards where you pack bond with people close to you and defend the ideology that they then hold even if you wouldn't believe it otherwise. Occam's Razor of religion: I think critical thinking isn't being suppressed as much as it is naturally placed behind things like "identity" and "community" because it wouldn't actively hurt you to not have critical thinking skills.

3:16 PM

Also JoJo: Big Dumb Adventure is dumb big stupid

3:19 PM

Also everyone who watches Happy Tree Friends on purpose and more than twice should be on some kind of watchlist because I can't think of a single thing that makes me more uncomfortable than that. That's the slur that'd shut me down, is "I like Happy Tree Friends"

3:23 PM

I believe in the Voice Actor's union and their purpose but I also don't believe that the job should even have gotten that important to begin with. Like, I can see where this opinion goes to die especially with me just being an Alright Voice Actor to begin with, but also, it doesn't seem that hard to me to be good or normal at voices. Anime just has a shitty system of doing it so even talented voice actors still sound uncanny in dubs. I think there's a lot of falloff from when Robin Williams originally voiced the genie in Aladdin and suddenly VAs became a recognizable acting job, which, like-- it should be on the IMDB but it should be worth NOTHING in comparison to how much praise and kneeling we do for the animators. I shouldn't even see the VAs on the box with how big the animators' names ought to be on there.

3:24 PM

... I dunno, all my hot takes are usually about media that I don't like. Or defending Dark Souls 2.

not the green thing

Also JoJo: Big Dumb Adventure is dumb big stupid

Get cancelled idiot

I’m not reading all that tbh, glad we seem to be standing on some equal footing about the subject now

Pure

This take is ice cold, the based opinion of the average median voter.

This mixed with why median voters hate high gas prices but also don't want to enact windfall taxes on grocery stores is why the monkey is no longer with us

Phantasmagoria𓅓

I’m not reading all that tbh, glad we seem to be standing on some equal footing about the subject now

I have also become illiterate. Always happens when Geese writes for some reason

For some reason, I believe more and more that Pure is a jackass. I still can't figure out why though.

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Pure

I was nice and approached it as, "Hey, there are are a few people in the server who really don't like that word and can you please avoid using it?" Like, that, only for him to immediately disconnect. He did the same thing when Sharner asked him to stop screaming into the mic. He leaves the moment anything is asked of him. Also, his situation sucks, but would you rather I ask him to stop or someone yells at him who is actually hurt by it? Those are your two choices.

I actually remember this call pretty clearly and can vouch for the language used and approach being very gentle - the conversation was: The word being dropped about 6 times in two sentences while telling us a Dwarf Fortress story, an excessive amount in a call of maybe 5, 6, maybe more people? Pure said something close to the lines of "Heeeyy, I don't wanna be too word police-y here or make a thing of it and hate to really bring up, but just to let you know there are people in call who find that word uncomfortable. Don't have to make a thing of it but- please continue" And Bucky DC'd immediately and never came back? Can not stress enough how gentle it was, and it's not even like he was told he can't say it, just made aware it was something people in call were uncomfortable about Just wanted to chip in with what I remember about that conversation to provide context, as I remember it quite well

Ah, lame.

Wow, alright yeah

Pure

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Lucky did indeed fart on roommate's door

Pure

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Easy clap

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Pure

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You remember that scene from king of the hill where dale says “you know what ford stands for dontcha?” (edited)

Pure

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Reads like a cryptic crossword clue

Pure

Easy clap

I'll clap your ears in a minute

Phantasmagoria𓅓

You remember that scene from king of the hill where dale says “you know what ford stands for dontcha?” (edited)

Kal no

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Jammy, The Hybrid

Kal no

This plan was approved of like a whole week ago

6:46 PM

Too late to stop it now (edited)

Phantasmagoria𓅓

Too late to stop it now (edited)

I shall stop it like how one stops the train

Jammy, The Hybrid

I shall stop it like how one stops the train

Smeared on the tracks

Pure

Smeared on the tracks

N o

@not the green thing I think you gotta fix the time on the events (again?) since they seem to be an hour off? Unless that's reality now.

So like; Winded joined a call with Motz in it. Motz accidentally spoke over Winded for a bit, but then Winded almost immediately left. I texted Motz in private if he had him muted, confirmed yes, and then Winded sent me this? Also the screenshots he sent me are included. His statement and the screenshots provided are very different things??? And, also, did follow up with Motz about the block evasion stuff Winded admitted to doing, and apparently harassed the person who drew Motz's art to try and get ahold of them after being told Motz needed space.

5:32 AM

5:33 AM

Pure

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Also, as far as I have seen, Motz hasn't engaged in this at all and Winded is crashing out.

A bit more added context

I think it's about time to give winded a ban if it's getting this bad. They've been warned multiple times and there has been a lot of precautions put in by motz to avoid conflict and winded is still being problematic.

It's Odd

7:44 AM

We have three total bans I actually remember, and this would feel like the pettiest one. Not to say that it's not necessary if he's being So Dramatic.

7:45 AM

I wasn't there for this, anyway-- if you think it was that bad, you can do a ban, but is it just them being exceptionally high on emotions recently? Is it something that'd be fixed with like a week timeout?

This isn't the first time there's a problem. There were ample opportunities to address this issue, and if they weren't taken, another week of timeout won't fix the problem either. (edited)

11:02 AM

The screens winded shared themselves very clearly picture motz as a perfectly reasonable adult shutting down an oblivious stalker

11:02 AM

The conversation is textbook

11:03 AM

It also clearly shows Winded did not and still does not understand the problem or what he did wrong, which means nothing will change.

11:03 AM

Ban.

not the green thing

I wasn't there for this, anyway-- if you think it was that bad, you can do a ban, but is it just them being exceptionally high on emotions recently? Is it something that'd be fixed with like a week timeout?

I understand your reluctance, but there is a point where laxism stops being a neutral position. Removing an obsessive stalker from a space where the victim resides is not an abuse of power, it's the right thing to do.

11:09 AM

Only situation where winded could come back is if they actually understand what they did wrong and why it was indeed wrong, without looking for justifications or excuses

I have been told that Motz was escalating things in call last night, actually doing the prodding and trying to get Winded to leave call. So, it is possible that has been happening too in the background? I am just waking up now though and about to have to focus on work, so I think we should hold off on any decisions at the moment until there is more information on that. I still think the block evasion stuff is nasty on its own, but don't want to rush a decision.

But, I also am inclined to believe this is the first time Motz acted out like that against Winded, and not necessarily inclined to believe that the other person being shitty absolves the first. Either way, I want to wait on a call here until have more information and time.

12:38 PM

Added context.

Okay, here's my current thoughts: Winded has no ability to read situations or anything really. Motz has gotten a bit too vindictive for my liking. In terms of the drama brought directly to the server, they both have a hand in it and I think equal treatment is just here. I was talking with them last night, and later today I will try and discuss with both that this is their own demon to slay and if it bleeds into the server again, the one responsible will be banned. This server is not a place to start tensions as equally as it isn't a place to harass. Sound good?

12:52 PM

I don't feel comfortable making a call without another chance for both, because the alternative I think is banning both for escalating and I don't like that option.

Agreed - I don't like the option of banning both. Not quite yet. Last night could have been the 'peak' of it and it may stop from here on out, especially with a talk/warning to both. I think making it clear to both of them that whoever kicks this up in the server next will be given time-out or outright banned is a good approach. Sets expectation and that line to cross.

And I think we need to stick to that line and act on it if crossed - from what I've seen Winded has had several talks about their behaviour, and seems to behave for a short while before pushing it again

I would instinctively side with motz. From the conversation it is clear winded does not listen to what he says, so I understand the exasperation and getting snappy

1:37 PM

Doesn't feel right to ban them both

Azserfy

I would instinctively side with motz. From the conversation it is clear winded does not listen to what he says, so I understand the exasperation and getting snappy

I mean now that we’ve learned that he’s been antagonizing winded through those passive aggressive vague descriptions of their issues in call it’d be hard to pick any side. Motz tends to be very mature about it but what he said in the call is concerning.

Atrophene

Agreed - I don't like the option of banning both. Not quite yet. Last night could have been the 'peak' of it and it may stop from here on out, especially with a talk/warning to both. I think making it clear to both of them that whoever kicks this up in the server next will be given time-out or outright banned is a good approach. Sets expectation and that line to cross.

I like atros approach

Phantasmagoria𓅓

I like atros approach

I will discuss with each of them in DMs expectations going forward tonight. Basically, keep this out of the server, even hinted at.

As it should be

I'm supportive of what has been concluded sorry I'm late to reading in on this. Sounds like it's got a reasonable and solid solution

Conversations over, not gonna be our place to like, police the two or anything. Just, if anything gets out of hand, they have been talked to.

Gonna have to do something about Tetra here soon. Since having the conversation about call ettiquite they had gotten a bit better for a time, around me at least. Since then it has been kinda non-stop bad interactions. A few days ago they hopped into a call with me, Kahea and Jack and kept having weird feedback on their mic. We mentioned it to them, and they were like, "Weird, no noises here and my phone is just resting on my stomach." and then we realized it was stomach groans. Kept telling him we heard it, then he just silently sat in call and had us listen to it for like, a few minutes before leaving. Yesterday, I was in call when someone belched really loudly and I was jolingly like, "Who did that??", only for him to be like, "It is me, you know it is me why did you even bother asking?" when I didn't even know he was in call. Got really bratty and I had to go, and apparently as soon as I left he started making fart noises and stimming. At the point of: 1) Verbal warning before kicking him from call each time it gets anywhere like that. 2) Just removing him from the server and washing my hands of it. I don't generally like the radical option, but reached the point where I don't think a single person in the server enjoys having them around and most actively avoid calls with him in them.

as usual I will advocate for the radical solution

5:29 PM

Agree, my stance is that the correctional behavior would at best keep someone who people don't like around for another few interactions or at worst make it so we should have just banned. I think it is a valid critique that not a single person in call has really liked them, and that is out of the few people who don't have them muted.

yeah

5:33 PM

we don't have a duty to put up with anyone making everyone else miserable

5:33 PM

to the fire!! to the fire!!

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Yeah, Verd situation where being patient was at the expense of everyone else.

Any secondary opinions?

Thinking.... processing....

Part of me really does just think outright ban and be done with this. I think the point raised of 'what's gained by correctional behaviour' is a really good one. At best they behave, but will that even make the space pleasant for everyone else? Will we even ever really have peace of mind or just stress out keeping an eye on him again. He's already shown behaviour of waiting for mods to be out of voice chat before becoming an immediate problem before, seems to enjoy getting a rise out of people and being disruptive, could we ever relax? And as much as I believe in giving people a chance to correct, we're not like, responsible for teaching people how to behave or guiding them on a long character improvement arc to stop being annoying. (edited)

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8:16 PM

The only thought that would give me pause on banning someone who is a problem, would be the thought they are blissfully unaware - but incidents like the weird mic-spam in the call with Kahea and Jack, the weird bratty responses to being asked to stop, and seemingly trying to get by on teeechnically doing what's asked of him but still doing it, make me feel it's intentional and there is no interest in not being annoying? Like, the point is to be annoying??

To the pit! To the pit!

If they didn't already get banned, I can text him and say like... "Hey! Mods texted me, I am a completely unrelated third party who have only heard word-of-mouth about your behavior in calls. Unfoooortunately it's common enough now that if it happens again-- between the belching, stimming, stomach noises, things that people have asked you personally to not do time and again only for it to start back up again-- that'll be the end of it." Or something. "People have complained" turned out to be an issue with he-who-shall-not-be-named, where he texted everyone in the server suddenly and basically yelled at them before he was ultimately banned. If we CAN'T do something that's an actual punishment prior, like, just ban. Otherwise we wait for the inevitable, right?

Either Tetra knows he's got one thread left and gets banned IF he does it, or
Ban rn

9:19 PM

I'm sort of impartial anyway.

if it happens again

9:20 PM

it already did. This isn't the first strike.

Yeah...

9:20 PM

I mean, ban

"Hey What's square and no longer welcome in the server? It's you. I lied about the square. No one likes you. Best wishes"

Gonna be a bit busy to manage this, but if we are good kicking him then anyone is good to go ahead. Just, as a decency, send them a message clarifying alongside the ban. Still important to do, sucks not knowing why you got kicked.

Pure

Gonna have to do something about Tetra here soon. Since having the conversation about call ettiquite they had gotten a bit better for a time, around me at least. Since then it has been kinda non-stop bad interactions. A few days ago they hopped into a call with me, Kahea and Jack and kept having weird feedback on their mic. We mentioned it to them, and they were like, "Weird, no noises here and my phone is just resting on my stomach." and then we realized it was stomach groans. Kept telling him we heard it, then he just silently sat in call and had us listen to it for like, a few minutes before leaving. Yesterday, I was in call when someone belched really loudly and I was jolingly like, "Who did that??", only for him to be like, "It is me, you know it is me why did you even bother asking?" when I didn't even know he was in call. Got really bratty and I had to go, and apparently as soon as I left he started making fart noises and stimming. At the point of: 1) Verbal warning before kicking him from call each time it gets anywhere like that. 2) Just removing him from the server and washing my hands of it. I don't generally like the radical option, but reached the point where I don't think a single person in the server enjoys having them around and most actively avoid calls with him in them.

This gives me the ick like

9:37 PM

So fucking hard

9:38 PM

I’d vote for removing him, he’s got a long history of this stuff, he’s becoming like verd were he’s just been warned SO many times

9:38 PM

He’s brought up in here enough as it is

I agree for the stance of banning, they don't seem to add anything to the group and just make others uncomfortable

it's tetrabit?

Azserfy

it's tetrabit?

Correct, Tetrabit - current nickname Tetris

11:30 PM

done

Appreciate it!

do I also pop him a message?

Azserfy

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Azserfy

do I also pop him a message?

Yes please

10:09 AM

should have done this before kicking

10:09 AM

woops

10:09 AM

If anyone has a common server with the guy, here's the message:

10:09 AM

Hello, After discussion with the mod team, you have been removed from the art chat group. The reason invoked was disruptive behavior in VC, that made people uncomfortable. Apologies, and have a nice day.

Azserfy

If anyone has a common server with the guy, here's the message:

Oh, I also have this issue. Never added them either, oops.

won't lose sleep over this

4:55 PM

Welp, can't say I'll miss the guy's art

I had them added it looks like, they reached out to me, the above was shared with them.

how did they take it

not the green thing

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Banning them posthaste

What??? You’re banning them prostate????

7:44 PM

He… he needs that…

Banning Kal to the prostate realm

Azserfy

Banning Kal to the prostate realm

I only accept if it’s yours~

Azserfy

Banning Kal to the prostate realm

Too soon

Pure

Too soon

I was boutta give you the most

look but then I realized... You, you meant that literally

Found this, considering a new Nationalities thing in the #deleted-channel

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4:10 PM

OR AT LEAST, I WOULD

4:10 PM

But it feels like the one everyone would pick is my color, so like

4:10 PM

It's hilarious but also the joke might turn around on me

not the green thing

Found this, considering a new Nationalities thing in the #deleted-channel

We can be more creative than this smh

Yeah the green one is the only good one

4:31 PM

We should base the captions off the color of the corresponding admin

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Ooooh, fun...

4:31 PM

I am middle right

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3

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Pure

We can be more creative than this smh

Prove it

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/ban 1153984868804468756

1:04 AM

Hm

Huh?

Oh, this fear mongering again.

1:06 AM

My opinion.

1:12 AM

I could be proven wrong, but a discord wide scrape of images would be non-sensical for anyone.

not the green thing

/ban 1153984868804468756

Did some research and banning external apps doesn't appear to actually work. Disabling external apps for everyone seems to be the only method to like, guarantee it doesn't get added.

not the green thing

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6:16 AM

It's a quick google search to disprove it

Pure

Oh, this fear mongering again.

As Pure said it's just fear mongering

not the green thing

/ban 1153984868804468756

Also we don't have the bot to do these commands

I did turn off external apps in the meantime because I have heard about a current unrelated exploit, but waiting on info on that first.

Fair enough, exploits are a far more serious issue

But yeah, someone told me a few of their artist friends were purging their Discord servers because of the AI thing and I had to explain that site-wide skimming would basically be admitting to giving AI all sorts of contraban. They may not admit it and try to fight it, but criminal content is regularly uploaded to Discord and admitting to compiling that for a bot would be insanely stupid

>Implying discord would need to add an invisible bot to servers to access the images that discord is already hosting

Kennyyeen

Also we don't have the bot to do these commands

A good thing too, Discord does a really funny thing when you try to ban an outside application. Gets confused and bans a random user. A friend's server broke earlier today cause they kept trying to ban this bot and accidentally banned multiple people then themselves.

I am astounded by the sheer panic response that came with this "news"

Azserfy

>Implying discord would need to add an invisible bot to servers to access the images that discord is already hosting

More that there is a distinction between unintentionally hosting CP and harvesting it to give to a bot. Removes any legal deniability when you use it. (edited)

6:30 AM

One they attempt to curb, the other would hypothetically be using it for profit

And that discord has a ban random user button as well

Reminder that discord has no privacy policy and zero encryption

6:30 AM

This isn't telegram

Telegram is only encrypted when you make an encrypted chat.

6:30 AM

Even

There are backdoors everywhere and I'm not talking about my friend's massive asses

Regardless, this particular situation is fake.

Azserfy

There are backdoors everywhere and I'm not talking about my friend's massive asses

shakes ass

Also shakes ass

This was a lot of discussion for something that had a one line command to run. Fear mongering aside I'm just gonna tell them it worked because mieh

Don't tell them it worked tell them you did it

Yeah, I think telling the truth about it is better. Again, was told a few people wiped their Discord believing this stuff.

Kennyyeen

And that discord has a ban random user button as well

... I have a bad idea

Why did Geese ban himself

He deserved it

If I set up an actual nationalities choice thing

11:37 AM

Any use to that? I like the IDEA of being able to pick an emoji after your name, but I'm still stuck on like

11:37 AM

"What about though"

11:37 AM

Like, should it be sona species, or country flag, or

I don't want anyone to know I'm french

11:43 AM

No thank you

Bad species names

Now we're cooking

11:55 AM

Bnuuy

No even worse. Tell people to pick their species but only offer options like "cheese", "rock", "thermoelectricity" etc

11:56 AM

Then threaten to ban them if they don't pick correctly.

11:56 AM

Then ban them.

11:57 AM

It'll be hilarious

Excellent no notes

What about like

5:38 AM

Autistic hyperfixations

5:38 AM

As a role select

5:39 AM

I'm aware of guns, boats, cars, trains, fish and religion

5:39 AM

As far as I've seen in this server

Cock. People like that.

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not the green thing

Autistic hyperfixations

I actually kinda like this idea

5:53 AM

Only thing is, like, spreading a wide net. I don't want people to choose one like they feel like they have to.

5:53 AM

Maybe it's just an individual role ngl

5:53 AM

I can just assign as I see them

5:53 AM

Nvm

I think the biggest hyperfixation in this server is probably vore, just give everyone a vore role, and also give Jon a train role and be done with it

6:46 AM

In fact, fuck all of it, just give Join a Trains role and everyone else a Train Hater role

Trater

Server update: Shitblocking

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Caesar stfu

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1

I love that Caesar can only react and still has an important role to play in this discourse. We love doggy.

1

Cock roles are a good idea.

3:22 PM

They come in so many shapes, sizes, colors and hunger levels.

3:23 PM

Also Geese why do I have Africa emoji

Taking a brave pro-cock stance sent you to Africa

Mink of the End

Also Geese why do I have Africa emoji

Euroafrica Drawpile logo is why

6:20 PM

Vaguely Africa shaped

6:20 PM

You must be confusing it with the CSP logo

Your logo is the planet

Mink of the End

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Your neck is peaking out of the scarf in the left

No this is the logo

Groundhog

Reading this was like a trip lmao. If you're doing something with fixations though it could just be like- idk do it through a google form and then have it close after 24 to 48 hours. Just go from that

11:18 PM

If its just a few:

Train (Jon)
Trater (Atro)
Cock Role (Caesar)
Others (Everyone Else)

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5

Why have I been pregnant manned

2

Lore reasons.

Character development

I did

What possible lore or character development reasons? Is this? My villain arc?

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your pregnant arc

Impossible

3

Lucky Jr arc is insane

Plot twist, I reproduce like Namekians so I just shoot an egg out of my mouth

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it's impressive doing that while pregnant

While this has been fun, I am going to kindly ask that we cool it with the pregnant jokes a lil. Its getting a lil worn for me. Every once in awhile is fine but getting notifications that everything I say is getting pregnant man emote is kinda a lot lol. XD.

4:47 PM

Specifically directed at me, you guys do that with each other as much as you like. Not gonna yuck your yums

3

Kill Caesar, got it

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Cursed

So, Motz and Winder interacting in regular chat (edited)

9:57 AM

Did that whole thing just, blow over? Nothing happened because of it or?

What do you want from me Az

Food

not the green thing

Did that whole thing just, blow over? Nothing happened because of it or?

I think that it was dumb and they forgor

Just noticed we have enough Boosts for server tags!!! (edited)

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A four letter word that represents the server most accurately, hrmmm....

FEET

Arty

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6:48 AM

Gese

1

6:48 AM

Beef

6:48 AM

Cumm

6:48 AM

Pure

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6:48 AM

Serg

6:49 AM

Caes

6:49 AM

Cesr

6:49 AM

Mods

6:49 AM

Wait wait wait, I got it

6:49 AM

Lame

Preg

Luky

7:05 AM

Sexy

7:05 AM

Grtc

7:06 AM

Dumb

Kbld...

Fuck

1

Ogre

Blue

7:20 AM

:)

Poop

Four Part Word

Burp

Bitc

VORB

11:57 AM

Wait no make it divisive

11:57 AM

KINK and MINK and you gotta pick a side

I think I want the animated role styles more than the four letter thing

1

Tbh not sure I would use the tag anyway

I don't even know what this is about.

1

Donkey Kong Bananza

I think just having a tag that is like, Arty, would be cute.

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How about SHIT

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1

2:59 PM

And we have the picture for it be a block of some kind

Tbh it would be cool to have one we can unironically use

3:29 PM

(I pitch USSR)

Vore

Vore is cringe

1

How about

4:34 PM

BAPL

4:35 PM

Oh oh how about GOLF

4:35 PM

Or SOCK

PURE Not biased.

SILK

4:36 PM

Please.

And SONG

Please I'm begging you

4:36 PM

Iran is dropping Silksong on Israel?????

I want SILK so I can proudly display my mental illness to anyone

Okay actually I got a really good idea

5:23 PM

It's an idea unironically so good, I'm just gonna implement it when I'm home

Oh no

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Its gonna be NUTS or something

That works

I GOT THE BANNER THING

9:45 PM

And it didn't work :C

9:45 PM

I was hoping I could make the emoji, fckn, whatever

9:45 PM

So I was gonna make the emoji just P

9:45 PM

And then have the word be ARTY

9:45 PM

But it turns out there's limited options for the emoji......

9:45 PM

I'm so sad......

Just give us SILK

9:46 PM

It's the autism choice

That's like... Lame though...

9:50 PM

How about 2PAC

sit your white ass down

1

How about we celebrate

this country with the banner

1

Nuts was a good option

10:07 PM

The only point of this is that we can display it on other servers

10:08 PM

If it's not something we'd put out there's no point and we just wasted the option

It could be yiff

10:33 PM

or bweh

10:37 PM

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10:38 PM

Some suggestions

I like goon And slop

Azserfy

If it's not something we'd put out there's no point and we just wasted the option

Good point, though...

Yeah, shouldn't just be a joke thing

not the green thing

How about we celebrate

this country with the banner

I would rather Chris (Who is unironically a federal asset) to not report me to the US Government.

The heck is that feature

12:42 AM

A tiny icon and four (4) letters.

Yes but you can show them inevery server

Petrifying, I wouldn't want other servers to know I'm in this wretched place of cum and villainy.

Did you mean-

12:56 AM

Nevermind

Pure

I would rather Chris (Who is unironically a federal asset) to not report me to the US Government.

I don't believe you ngl I thought Lucky was the federal asset

Canadian, so debateably worse???

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I am kind of an asset but also

4:07 PM

Actively against their priorities

Jammy, The Hybrid

Actively against their priorities

How about JORT

4:44 PM

Or FLAT

Can you use non-Latin script

flat is the least bad option geese pitched so far

I just think... Arts, would be fine. The sillier we get the less anyone will use it.

yeah but just arts isn't something i would use

7:07 PM

there is a sweet middleground

fART

silence king fart

cART

7:12 PM

bART

Can you make it 𒐫𒐫𒐫𒐫

7:19 PM

Or is it only 'merican a-zA-Z

looks like it

vART

9:04 PM

uwu

Who thought of WHEN

10:46 PM

I like it

me :>

How about

3:49 PM

The

and it says BURN (edited)

3:50 PM

Or the

with PARA (edited)

Eh

4:05 PM

There are probably pokemon servers for that

not the green thing

How about

You don't even like pokemon you stinky little cheese

1

But Max, you don't even like girls!

I like this one

5:02 PM

I wear it proudly

I would interchangeably wear "BUTT", but certain I can find that if I want it...

SBRB with a little green house

If you change the tag and don't even put it on I swear to God

If we changed it to SBRB I'd wear it proudly

9:19 AM

Homestuck reference

not the green thing

Homestuck reference

Veto

We could just ask for ideas in chat? Cause all of ours are bad.

But the supreme administration is infallible

Geese is here and literally the most fallied smh

Geese is the mascot. The figurehead so that the assassins have someone to target.

They keep missing.

1

I have seen Geese get killed way more than anybody else.

Hot???

In every shot I get massacred, I'm replaced by the Geese mannequin

3:44 PM

It's more like Dan Avidan than it is Sean Bean.

who

Sean Bean is a celebrity well known for only playing as characters in voice roles, cameos and acting roles that ultimately die in the duration of the film/show/videogame

4:19 PM

Dan Avidan is the singer in Ninja Sex Party, a band including him and Brian Wecht. In animations and promos for the band, Wecht plays a ninja constantly trying to kill Avidan, and Avidan plays as an idiot savant who only ever narrowly avoids death, until he doesn't, at which point will be immediately replaced with a him-looking doll and will instead remain singing or whatever closeby. (edited)

4:19 PM

You now know two more things than you did a minute ago.

4:19 PM

Mr. Never Interacts With Media

Who

Mink

Who are you

5:45 PM

I know Ninja Sex Party they made a song together with Tom Cardy and it's okay

I second Pure here lmao, maybe we just do like a google form and have it tie to their discord user or something? Probably a better platform than google but we could likely get some good ideas that way too

1

This is so much effort for a four letter tag I'm terminating this project and reassigning you all to stuff that actually makes us money

3:24 AM

Geese you're back to going door to door and talking about our cult Az grab a clipboard and harrass tourists Caesar be a dog (edited)

1

Don't worry I fixed it

1

:(

I like it ngl

Mink of the End

Geese you're back to going door to door and talking about our cult Az grab a clipboard and harrass tourists Caesar be a dog (edited)

"You know it just occurred to me, don't you think people hate it when we go door to door trying to change their religion?"

not the green thing

I like it ngl

Excited to see you wear it proudly

I've got it

"TISM"

10:01 PM

sorry forgot to hit send

I know people who would yell at me for having that.

1

Same

Genjii asked if he could post about a raffle he's hosting

10:14 PM

"hey there geese! just wanted to ask before i post here: im gonna be hosting a large raffle done by an animator, and wanted to ask if, and where i would be okay to post it, if it's allowed"

10:14 PM

And I said sure

10:14 PM

So stfu all of you (edited)

i saw it on fa lol

not the green thing

And I said sure

Making unilateral choices.............

Gonna keep this brief, both me and @not the green thing had a Strawbat experience of constantly assuming the worse and turning the call into an over a hour therapy session. They were corrected in call several times and apologized before bouncing to their credit, but also the 3rd or 4th time they have done that while I am around. Not down to punish someone for spiralling, but the consistent behavior is genuinely unsuitable for call; and want to ve notified if it happens again without any of us around. There have been warnings both in text and in call and while it isn't my unilateral call to make, I think we can all agree that it is both a trend and ill-suited for this group, should it continue. (edited)

We need to talk about this Geese guy making all those hate posts on Atro this is getting out of hand the two are at each others throats.

Atrophene barely even reacted, I think we let him go unless there's a complaint

1

I'd say we put them in a voice chat together and whoever lives gets to stay

You know what I agree

7:08 PM

Mink of the End

I'd say we put them in a voice chat together and whoever lives gets to stay

I am excited for Atro's new server. :3

Probably a Atr Chat

1

7:34 PM

I could...,, I would..,, I will

I think you'd win (edited)

Considering dropping a message in sfw to not post vore in there. Not gonna have the "is vore sfw" chat because that is annoying, but just want Zell to be able to use it.

I thought it said sfwish because vore and such was okay

Yeah that was the reasoning

5:39 AM

This is a kink server

5:40 AM

Geese gets the final say of course but this is very much a vore server

1

Fair enough, I just know that there are a few people not into it who are in here and I think establishing sfw as a safer place for like, non-kink stuff in general would be good for them. Not just vore, would say the same thing if it was like; null bondage play or the like. Had a few people raise it as a concern lately who want to use it more.

5:50 AM

I do think it a fair enough expectation to request kink stuff be moved to nsfw if it even makes the experience better for a few people. Not really an inconvenience unless someone just wants to be a contrarian. (edited)

5:55 AM

Again, bring this from the perspective of someone whose partner likes using sfw and would appreciate it being a bit friendlier to them. Beyond that, been raised by a few other people I spoke to recently .

That's fair

I am very in support of nudging

10:32 AM

I don't think we'd ban anybody for using SFWish like that, Vixi even has their sona's breasts as their PFP here, but I'd still rather it get used for absolutely SFW art

10:33 AM

I think if the intention is kink, it goes a level deeper

not the green thing

I don't think we'd ban anybody for using SFWish like that, Vixi even has their sona's breasts as their PFP here, but I'd still rather it get used for absolutely SFW art

Oh, yeah, not suggesting it go that far ever, or if it is just like, a sona design thing (large ass, large chest) then it would be dumb to ask that they naturally default to nsfw.

not the green thing

I think if the intention is kink, it goes a level deeper

Agreed.

@not the green thing pretty sure Lamp got hacked.

Maybe not? Their profile being blank confused me and they asked me to look at a game idea. Generally big scam flags...

They ended up sending me an actual game concept after this, but like, looks super scammy??? Part of me wonders if it is a way to gain my trust or if this is just Lamp being Lamp. Also, they are no longer in the server, but friends with quite a few people here which is why i dropped this here.

Asked me as well with the same copy pasta, my guess is they're compromised. Zero stickers/smilies is very unlike them at the very least.

In the end, did get get multiple paragraphs of a horny kobold/dragon game thing? But, still so many red flags for me.

5:24 AM

Haven't responded beyond that

Yeah it's omega sus

So, I guess fine??? I dunno man.

5:30 AM

This does check out and not something that was mentioned in DMs.

What the heck, really?

5:34 AM

Sis flew too close to the sun and sounds like a Discord scambot now

Only thing that was in DMs was the actual restaurant? So like, maybe a lucky guess??? But, exactly how it went.

5:36 AM

My brain screams evil despite that, just, I don't know. Gonna leave it to @not the green thing to click the funny files for us.

I think it's just internet law at this point that you cannot randomly ask people for help with video game development |D

Doing one last thing to rest my nerves before I sleep, but yeah that should probably be explained as a TERRIBLE thing to just bring up like that.

100% certain it is them now. Sorry, I was SO CERTAIN TOO

Yeah I chatted with them and also 100% convinced it's just them, either that or we reached AI singularity and it manifested itself in Lamps Discord account

Also means they just got blocked and banned by a lot of people and need some TLC

I mean it's important to tell them what the problem is lmao

not the green thing

Click to see attachment 🖼️

Hate

For the next 24 hours, it is birthday. Be ware.

Is Birthy Day?? Is Geese Day...??

Is Geese day

Happy greeseday

Can we do a server event day where everyone has to talk like medieval times and if you fucketh it up three times you get kicked/timed out?

1

2

1

You'd have to learn to conjugate verbs.

Sure!

This is very hard for non native speakers

7:48 AM

Fucketh this

Its labour day in North America. Support labour today uwu

No labor, gross

Birth

1

5:02 PM

now

Pure birthday?

5:03 PM

Also gross

No, making a joke about going into labor

Happy birthday resident @Kennyyeen

7:39 PM

They say blue is the new black

Thank

Bluesday

It is my day

THE AMOUNT OF TIMES

10:51 AM

I have posted about birthdays in this channel thinking it was the announcements channel...

10:51 AM

Fuck

I thought it was to keep them under wraps

NOOOO IT'S NEVER ON PURPOSE

1:21 PM

I looked at the announcements channel and was horrified that the last stuffs were EF stuffs

1:21 PM

I'm sorry @Kennyyeen :c

not the green thing

I'm sorry @Kennyyeen :c

Many such cases

Yeah...

Az has been real quiet since Silksong dropped...

12:47 AM

May have killed Shork

I'm in act 3

1

7:25 AM

Having a blast

Gonna host a kinktober I've decided

6:02 PM

Or at least a drawtober or whatever the flip

6:02 PM

Anybody have a 31 day list or summat

6:02 PM

For like a daily draw

Minktober

more like

6:05 PM

stinktober

You're just mad because sharks only get one week

1

6:06 PM

People just can't stand 'em for more than that

I think we should ban Geese

2

Yeah

1

Who

I wanna reformat the art chat but I don't know how

Geese the entire server is art chat

1:56 AM

probably

1:56 AM

Be more specific

Explain Goosum

Like, we have so many channels and places and stuff

2:39 PM

#memes and #no-mic can be the same place

2:39 PM

We have a bunch of VCs

2:40 PM

I still like there being just one main rule but I want to add some guidelines

2:41 PM

Also Mink can you make a zip of all the Ora files of previous Drawpiles, along with their dates being listed?

I could, but not quickly.

2:59 PM

I have all the recordings at hand, but not the resulting ORA files.

In comparison to some chats, not the most cluttered, but could use organizing I suppose?

Two channels

3:27 PM

art
chat

if it's not broke think before fixing it

This is us thinking Azserfy

not possible

I think the channels are fine. It's a trade-off between having dead channels and having channels that encourage people to post to them.

5:37 PM

Only redundant thing I see is the gartic channels. One only is used to post a link, which could go announcements. And you can just say to spoiler lewds.

What we restructuring @not the green thing

I feel this is something that should be discussed before declaring it

We discussed it months ago

reply to where please

Gonna edit down the number VCs Gonna merge channels with similar purposes Gonna change out the React For Roles into the automatic rolechanger thing every other discord server has Gonna add and edit rules to be more vibes focused

9:40 PM

Also summat with roles

Which channels are getting compressed?

9:46 PM

And what kind of rulkes changes are you thinking?

9:47 PM

And what benefits would the auto rolechange have over our current system that works?

9:48 PM

Editing vcs is good, but which are you thinking of axing?

9:48 PM

I know you threw out the idea before but never went in depth sbout how you wanted to change them @not the green thing

Mostly it's reactive stuff, so outline things like

don't fill a call with noises!
soundboard is off in some VCs for a reason!
keep conversations topic-friendly!
you can vent but don't turn every VC into venting! And outline that any mod is supposed to time you out for treading on them, minimum. Honestly it's mainly stuff dealing with a lot of Winded, Queenie and Dingo behavior.

I feel that rules 1 and 2 are basically the same there, and topics 3 and 4 could be combined as well, but overall i agree in the sentiments.

not the green thing

Mostly it's reactive stuff, so outline things like

don't fill a call with noises!
soundboard is off in some VCs for a reason!
keep conversations topic-friendly!
you can vent but don't turn every VC into venting! And outline that any mod is supposed to time you out for treading on them, minimum. Honestly it's mainly stuff dealing with a lot of Winded, Queenie and Dingo behavior.

I think if we add in some recommendations like (use push to talk if in noisy area) it could help. I know I am somewhat guilty at times of that because of bad mic

Jammy, The Hybrid

I think if we add in some recommendations like (use push to talk if in noisy area) it could help. I know I am somewhat guilty at times of that because of bad mic

Your bad mic builds character

3:53 PM

:3

@Mink of the End Have you already watched EEAAO?

4:54 PM

I don't remember if we forced you to watch it yet

Do you remember your honeymoon

Oh yeah we did nvm

4:54 PM

Yeah yeah I got there

4:54 PM

@Pure do you remember who said they haven't watched it?

not the green thing

@Mink of the End Have you already watched EEAAO?

What is this (edited)

Homestuck fan movie

Pure

What is this (edited)

Everything Everywhere All At Once

Pure

Your bad mic builds character

All must be exposed to road side assistance Lucky

not the green thing

Everything Everywhere All At Once

Watch party when

Jammy, The Hybrid

Watch party when

24 hours prior to this week's Group A unless anybody can tell me a better time

7:09 PM

Also dunno what platform we're watching it on yet, I have the citematic release accessible so it's VERY LOUD on loud parts and very quiet on quiet parts

For future ones we could use synch tube

1

What is that

8:27 AM

Also can I run Plex off of it? We're not just watching YouTube videos to watch these

Kal requested to do a Drawpile this week for his birthday jam and I'm inclined to let that happen

... Also Chris brought up the idea of Art Secret Santa and I really like that idea

8:28 PM

Any ideas or problems with having that?

Secret santa sounds like fun I think people would prolly have to write like, preferences going into it or whatnot though for something like that--

sounds fun

not the green thing

Also can I run Plex off of it? We're not just watching YouTube videos to watch these

Sorry been a busy week. Essentially its just something that lets you synch youtube watching via a link but people can start at whatever time as needed

Spacerock

Secret santa sounds like fun I think people would prolly have to write like, preferences going into it or whatnot though for something like that--

Elfster works well for this

1

1

1

not the green thing

Kal requested to do a Drawpile this week for his birthday jam and I'm inclined to let that happen

You may wanna like announce that before the instant it happens

YEAH WELL NOBODY SAID ANYTHING AND I FORGOT

You didn't ask

1:21 PM

You only asked whether somebody had ideas for spy elves

I thought we wanted to reduce bloat for roles and channels, why are we setting roles for individual art programs?

12:51 AM

@not the green thing

I think we already have incredibly bloated roles, I'm just removing the nothing ones in the long run. If they make actual sense, they stay.

Which program you use is irrelevant to the craft, identifying with it is on the same goofball level as the old Emacs and vi for programming.

There is an enormous shift in understanding between Godot and Unity. Sure, when you can code in one thing it makes coding in everything else much easier, but to me it makes sense to have people differently proficient in the actual UI of CSP, Krita and Drawpile as listed separately. If you read all that and still think it's dumb, I'll rethink implementing that.

I know neither Godot nor Unity (nor GMS nor RPG Maker), but I can make sense of and have helped people with them because I know how to develop software. If I wrote "I ONLY DEVELOP IN MY OWN ENGINES" on my profile, those people probably wouldn't have asked me for help. It also has definitely made me a better developer and artist to look beyond the tools I know. Even if I didn't end up liking or using them, the experience was valuable. So aside from dumb tribalism, I think it's also counter-productive.

I agree, think it overcomplicates things and think it has never really been an issue. People verbalize what they know without needing labels and it never seems like people are unable to find help.

I wholly agree as well, I feel like this is unnecessary

Unless @Mink of the End or any @deleted-role want to host the drawpile today, it's very cancelled, I'll announce aa much here in a bit if nobody takes up the mantle

Still busy with Holiday

Also busy

Am also busy with Holidays and hoehoehoeing

Yeah I mean I figured

You know what they say about assuming Geesums...

Pure is on thin ice

10:19 PM

Advise advice (or just fix it if you know how lol)

Don't think I can do it on mobile

It's already set to be private

Maybe it's total boosts, including those that expired?

Why is Discord an RPG

Mink of the End

Why is Discord an RPG

Capitalism and the gaming community

Where do you even find that

1:21 PM

Actually it's probably easy to find, it just looks so much like an ad that it never registered consciously.

Happy Blue Rear

1

Happy glue beer

Merry dew fear

Glücklich Neujahr

not the green thing

Click to see attachment 🖼️

now it's level 3 ,':3c

10:28 PM

frlsies

Woah

10:50 PM

Now what do I do with that

Next step is NG+. Just delete the server and start a new one for a more difficult round.

Friendly fire is now enabled

Everyone has kick permission.

Probably an Art Chat the Movie 2: Verdrusk is Back

Aymbord is the post credits scene

Pure

Aymbord is the post credits scene

He's the face reveal at the end to introduce the fact that there's another movie to come

11:32 PM

And that other guy

I feel like any movie about the art chat would be batshit insane

Rolutav

Rolutav has been going around messaging people again. i have received some messages from him, and kink has too

3:54 AM

which is silly

Who was that again

The Worst One

8:29 AM

Yeah, worse than Verdrusk and Aymbord if you can believe it

1

Kennyyeen

Rolutav has been going around messaging people again. i have received some messages from him, and kink has too

Warn people to block him

not the green thing

Warn people to block him

He's only poked a small section of people that he thought were close to him, i wouldn't worry this is the return of rolutav

That's the last thing I'm worried about ngl

Return of Rolutav sounds like a the Sunday School Musical type knock off of Revenge of the Sith. Honestly if they aren't actively in the server or publicly harassing people I think we should probably be fine

do y'alls think it would be irrational to ask the group b @ in announcements what day of the weekend/time they'd prefer me to host drawpiles on/at

7:15 PM

group b or whichever one that isnt active usually bc i cant remember for some reason and i dont wanna assume it's a

Spacerock

group b or whichever one that isnt active usually bc i cant remember for some reason and i dont wanna assume it's a

It's not active because nobody can host it

i, host

Spacerock

i, host

Yeah okay, then do what you want fool

1

9:43 PM

I used to do it summat like 32 hours before Group A

9:43 PM

Legit don't remember if that's accurate

9:43 PM

BUT you can go ahead and TRY to poll people here, but it's like

9:44 PM

Just

9:44 PM

You're gonna have a hard time with it

9:44 PM

Also like, I removed the Group B react role a while ago

ough

Like I edited that channel pretty hard. I'll add it back, I don't think the role itself is gone

Group B drawpiles had their own channel?

No no, I edited #deleted-channel

o

Got rid of shit we weren't using

9:49 PM

Speaking of shit we aren't using though, gonna nix the Novice role and #not-so-evil-art channel sometime here soon, unless there's a great reason to keep them

there's like 37 people total that can even see that channel

9:53 PM

also no messages in it since 24 so prolly fair

My nitro ran out so like, server boutta lose the server tag I'm p sure, just a heads up

What's a server tag

1

Gone now :p

Good riddance

11:40 AM

Whatever it was

Why is Rhodes licking me

1

Why is Az in belly

Gonna douse what a @Spacerock owned server would be like

Wha

Every channel is #bark

No but look for it

Also this was just for kicks

1:10 AM

I just needed you to not Be Weird I think it's really funny:)

Why's there so little rp in the surpeme-administration channel

Starts taking down buildings with my fat swinging balls

Thanks Az

not the green thing

I just needed you to not Be Weird I think it's really funny:)

Wdym not Be Weird

What's the next joke

Change your username to Next Joke

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